I remember these, back in the day class field trips to the beach and the zoo on the N Judah and the L Taravel. And these lasted until summer of 02' not 01'

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

Such great memories, thanks for sharing them! I wasn’t aware they went until ‘02 thank you for that. Have a fantastic weekend!! 😀

The Boeing streetcars look very modern for their time! Love all the old cars in the video :)

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks guys! I love seeing the old cars and the way people dressed too. 👍🏼👍🏼

@archstanton5973

2 жыл бұрын

They were garbage. The doors were constantly stuck and the brakes wouldn't release. Can't describe how many times were stuck in tunnel station as doors wouldn't close or just sat at stop as brakes wouldn't release. The Bredas were full of problems but they were light years better than the boeings.

you should talk about the central subways history 🙏 Maybe talk about ALL there delays, construction…

It’s a shame those Muni cars had such bad technical problems. They certainly looked futuristic for those days! I seem to recall even having model trains that looked like those when I was a kid ☺️ Thanks for the flashback and always the 80s music 😉

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Roland, they were definitely unique cars and I had a chance to ride them in Boston. Unfortunately they were complete lemons. I guess they were trying to re-invent everything and it didn’t work out.

My first visit to The City was late winter of 1974. Stayed with friends who lived on Vicente St. at the Great Highway near the Zoo and the end of the L Taraval Muni line. Unfortunately Muni was on strike at the time. Just a few months later in May of 1974 me and three friends moved to San Francisco. One of the places that I lived in the year that I spent there was on Irving Street and 14th Avenue just a block from the N Judah line. I rode the old PCC cars all the time. I even found a drug store that sold Muni tokens by the roll. I don't remember how much they were but there was a discount on the car fare when I used them. Of course it never occurred to me to save a few. I was probably so broke at the time I needed them to get around. Golden Gate Park was just a short walk. I used to see Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead play free on Sundays. I have visited San Francisco several times and rode what ever Muni was running at the time. Took Bart on the bottom of the bay one time to Oakland to see the Athletic's play a day game. Last time I was there and rode the street cars was Spring of 1990 after the Loma Prieta earthquake. Visited again in 2012 (?). Just a day visit. New SF-Oakland Bay Bridge wasn't finished yet. Saw whatever trains Muni was running then but didn't get to ride them.

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Greggory, thanks for sharing these wonderful memories of San Francisco. I love hearing about how it used to be.

I used to Ride the Muni LRVs in the 90’s as well as BART Bay Area Rapid Transit. Until I retired from the City recently. I do miss San Francisco of the 90’s into early 2000’s. Great Video Guys 👍

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing that. I’ve always been fascinated with San Francisco ever since I was young. Although it’s changed quite a bit over the years I always enjoy a visit there. Thanks for coming along for the ride.

Great video and narration. Bittersweet memories of the Boeing cars. I remember them being so futuristic looking and cool. Then by the time I was finishing high school in the 90s it was generally hated. If you rode the Metro in the 90s you were never surprised by the breakdowns and delays. But there were good memories too, and seeing the Sunrise livery is never a bad thing.

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Your comment made my day. Thanks for sharing those memories. I grew up riding transit in Toronto in the 90s, those were fun times.

I remember the MBTA's experiences with these LRVs were even worse! They were always having problems with the doors and the air conditioning. The doors because each one had over 1200 moving parts, and the air con because it was housed below the floors of the cars---that ran through the cramped, dusty, and filthy old subways of Boston! The MBTA decided to get rid of them and amazingly enough, San Francisco received a whole bunch!

@fares-please

Жыл бұрын

I have some of David Williams films from Boston with LRVs and PCCs. I’ll have to get them edited and posted soon!

@edwardmiessner6502

Жыл бұрын

@@fares-please that'll be excellent!

Great video! However, San Francisco's Boeing LRVs didn't have air conditioning. They only had forced-air ventilation. They were often hot and stuffy

@fares-please

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind comments. I didn’t realize it was only forced air, thanks for pointing that out. I do like the look of these cars.

Love watching these vintage videos. Brings back lots of memories. The clothes, the cars, Radio Shack!

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

Radio Shack! Now that’s a place I haven’t heard about in years! Thanks for watching Yvonne!

We are really enjoying these Transit Rewind segments. The history of the transit systems are very interesting. I was surprised to hear they were kept in service for as long as they where due to the maintenance issues.

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Holly. I enjoy bringing these old films to life and telling a bit of the story behind them. I don’t think they had much choice in the matter, just did their best to keep them running.

@kilodeltaeight

9 ай бұрын

They really didn't have a choice: Muni has long struggled with receiving adequate funding, and the 30 years from the 1970s to the 1990s were some of worst in the system's history. Recession in the 70s, plus white-flight to the suburbs staved transit everywhere of funding. Then, in the 80s transit funding from the federal level fell off a cliff, meaning that by the time Muni and Boston both realized how terrible these cars were, there was no money anywhere to replace them. Coupled with a rapid decline and eventual loss of basically every streetcar manufacturer in the US, they really had no options to turn to for cars that would work both on the legacy street-level lines and in the new Muni Metro (itself a bit of a hack, given that the Muni tunnels were first meant for BART service but repurposed when Marin County pulled out of the district).

Wow I didn't know Boeing even made LRVs. I thought Boeing only made aircrafts. I'm surprised to discover Boeing made railcars aside from aircrafts like what was done by Bombardier & even Hawker-Siddely. Thanks for sharing.

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yes not many know that Boeing did indeed manufacture rail equipment, albeit for a short period of time. Thanks so much for watching!

@archstanton5973

2 жыл бұрын

The boeing LRVs were absolute garbage and San Francisco and Boston couldn't get rid of them fast enough. Gave boeing such a bad rap that boeing ended "diversification" and stuck to aircraft.

@albertcarello619

Жыл бұрын

Ivalledor3440: Boeing even made L CARS for Chicago briefly the 2400 SERIES in the early 1970s.

It is so interesting to see the older MUNI rolling stock. The newer Breda LRV (above ground) and Siemens S200 (subway) rolling stock are much improved and modern. Living in the SF Bay Area, we have some of the most diverse rail public transportation networks in North America when you consider the overlapping service Amtrak, BART, MUNI, and Caltrain offers. i hope one day we can take high-speed rail from our new San Francisco Transbay terminal to Los Angeles in the future. Fingers crossed. Thanks Brad for all you do.

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Anthony. I love visiting San Francisco and riding MUNI, most especially the F line with the PCC cars. I love how represents Toronto. Hope to get back one day. Thanks for watching!

@anthonycbrown1952

2 жыл бұрын

@@fares-please Hopefully, on your next visit it (MUNI and BART)) will be a little bit cleaner and safer - just sayin. 😉

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonycbrown1952 I hope so. We haven’t been in a while. The last visit was with Ruby Princess in 2017 and it was fun. The heritage fleet was clean and safe, we didn’t ride many other things.

San Fran is such a vibe! Thanks for bringing this history to the spotlight even if it's highlighting the not so perfect. Love the choice on the retro beats, btw

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

I love Epidemic Sound for all the amazing music options! Thanks for watching! ❤️

Very interesting Brad. xx

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Brad!

Another great transportation vlog. Love these! Please keep them coming.

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Im happy you enjoyed this! 💕💕

I've seen, I've loved and I'm still, until now, happy when remembering the Boeing LRVs in San Francisco! I was then (1980-1982) a student of University of Cologne (Köln, Germany), visiting CSD Fremnt, through BART, and San Francisco. Sincere and cordial greetings from Joachim Welsch in Osnabrück, Germany

@fares-please

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

Fantastic video of a now long forgotten part of the American streetcar scene! :D I was just wondering, would it be possible for me to use this footage as part of an upcoming documentary I'm creating about the history of the Boeing LRV?

@fares-please

10 ай бұрын

Thanks! Sure you may use it !

@rorymacve

10 ай бұрын

@@fares-please Thank you very kindly! 😁

The streets are clean and pothole free. Do you expect me to believe that this is San Francisco,

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@fares-please

9 ай бұрын

Thank you!

This seams like an interesting channel I’m subscribing

I kinda miss orange and brown Muni. :P I wish the Landor color scheme would return.

They got one for sale right now on craigslist lol

@kilodeltaeight

9 ай бұрын

Hilariously, one was even sent to Manchester in the UK! At some point in the early 2000s, IIRC, the city had a bit of a kerfuffle where they needed temporary trams to supplant service for a few years, and it was thought that maybe, just maybe, the old LRVs Muni was dumping might work well enough for the year or two they'd be needed. Muni was more than happy to sell them off: they wanted them gone, and selling it was cheaper than scrapping. Of course, the Brits rapidly discovered Boeing's folly was somehow even more unreliable than the typical Jaguar, and the plan was scrapped. The lonely LRV2, still in its Muni Livery, sat on a siding at a rail maintenance yard for another decade in the Uk before finally being scrapped.

They always broke down in the tunnel. Or the door didn't work. Or the step that went down once the train came out of the tunnel and onto the street jammed. These things were junk from day 1. And they only ran in the subway on weekdays. Weekends you had to take the old PCC cars on the surface along Market. That didn't change until fall 1982. And the J Church didn't start going into the subway until late 1982. It was the last line to switch to the LRV's.

They really have a similar look to the Scarborough LRT’s. I’d be curious if anyone knows why they were so unreliable? Was it poor design for the climate? Or poor workmanship?

@fares-please

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Brad. Thanks for watching. It seems that it was Boeing’s inexperience in manufacturing rail vehicles combined with poor quality control . Theirs design did inspire future designs of LRVs.

@kilodeltaeight

9 ай бұрын

In the aircraft world, maintenance is a top priority and highly regulated - a manufacturer can be confident any highly complex machinery will be well maintained, frequently, with little expense spared. Transit, especially in that era and the US generally, was poorly funded and the cars experienced far rougher treatment than an airplane ever would. The result was a train that was nearly as complex as a jet airplane in some ways, but with none of the maintenance or care, built by an aircraft company who had no idea what they were doing. All of this made worse by the push from the Federal Government's push for Boston and SF to share the same car design, despite having very different needs, leading to a number of terrible compromises. For example, Boston's older streetcar subway had tight turns and low-floor boarding: this necessitated the front of each car end being tapered so it could navigate those turns. Meanwhile, Muni's new subway used high-floor boarding and was designed to be wheelchair accessible - a huge deal in the 1970s - but that tapered front end Boston needed meant only the middle two doors could be used. Not only did this slow everything down, but the unreliability of the over-engineered doors meant that loosing one was both common and a usability disaster. The real tragedy is that the replacements for these cars - the Breda LRV2/3 - was itself a lemon in many, many ways: including being dangerously overweight and just as unreliable, with a procurement marred by political corruption. It's really only with the new Siemens LRV4s that SF finally has a fabulous train worthy of the city.

I liked the Design of the Boeing vertol LRT , but disliked the frequent breakdowns & unreliability. its Amazing however that MUNI is still able to operate the PCC Streetcar and other Legacy streetcar on the F market line. the much older Streetcar were more Reliable .