Typical road driving behavior, now comes to aviation 😅

@user-ne9hg1dg6l

Ай бұрын

Do you know there is something called ATC?

@user-yy7xh6vv3d

Ай бұрын

absolutely true

@gangavijaya4776

Ай бұрын

So what is the issue one take off n one landed ....

@user-ne9hg1dg6l

Ай бұрын

​​@@gangavijaya4776 In video you might see it clearly. But none of the flight pilots or atc can't see this in real. So yea it is a problem

@naimalum

Ай бұрын

I think you're here to enlighten us about ATC so go on.

More than 300 people close save by luck. It's utter nonsense operation of ATC.

@MsLeejo

Ай бұрын

It is not 100 % sure, the landing clearance was quiete correct, they are unable to execute a go around also whether the fact that air india will change direction Considering how mumbai airport operate is while you are waiting to take off in the runway, another aircraft is already lined up and trailing with the instruction as maintain lowest possible landing speed. It is i guess the air india has executed a late roll, some times typically the time given to line up and take off is 1 minute, Lets see what the dgca will conclude

@user-yy7xh6vv3d

Ай бұрын

exactly luck of those both flights' passengers ....

@virajsthorat

Ай бұрын

Both ATC and the Pilot of the rear aircraft to be blamed.

@JaisimhaAllalghatta

Ай бұрын

please dont make such loose comments

@shrikant11211

Ай бұрын

ATC is not liable if they gave a conditional landing advise.

Indigo to air india: bhai rukh rukh aaraha hu mai 😂😂

@pankaj8878

Ай бұрын

I think Jaldi nikal mai aa raha hu would be more appropriate :)

@RUSH_AND_WIN

Ай бұрын

​​@@pankaj8878he talking about Ruk ruk aa raha hu tujhe thokne 💀

just 100 meters from major Tragedy.

@greenesyt563

Ай бұрын

it's much more than that tbh

@ravishankarthangaraja6757

Ай бұрын

It will easily more than a kilometre

@greenesyt563

Ай бұрын

@@ravishankarthangaraja6757 that's a over exgerration. You can clearly see when the Indigo was just behind the threshold the Air India was about 50 meters passed the touchdown zone. So it's probably somewhere between 350 and 400 meters

@GigaChadMain69420

Ай бұрын

Like japan and lac

@shrikant11211

Ай бұрын

It would be more than 500 mtrs and increasing (since the indigo was slowing and air India was speeding)

See the angle of Air India plane taking a steep take off...looks like it had still time in runaway n had to take a step take off.....Thank God for saving all the passengers n their families...🙏

@sakk0134

Ай бұрын

I dont see that steep angle takeoff of Air India plane compared to other air show or normal takeoff 🤔

@theacechip

Ай бұрын

Air India pilots had absolutely ZERO idea that a plane is behind them. There is no need as well. They just did a probably normal take off, may be they were light on weight, hence a steeper climb if at all.They dont fly with rear view mirrors.

@SshivamKhopkar

Ай бұрын

They definitely had an idea there is an aircraft behind them, they have TCAS on board, and they can hear radio calls of atc and other aircraft!​@@theacechip

@SoulRocketMan

Ай бұрын

Pilots have 360’ view of airplane surroundings

@theacechip

Ай бұрын

@@SshivamKhopkar I guess TCAS is disabled on ground right? And while taking off, they are surely not focusing on traffic chatter around them unless it is an ATC chiming in. One pilot is performing the TO roll and the other is monitoring instruments.

Somtimes being too efficient is a crime.

@aarongeorge7089

Ай бұрын

efficiency at its peak,germans and Japanese would be jealous😂

@prathameshdatar5565

Ай бұрын

Looks perfect sync to me😂

@firozosman

Ай бұрын

AIrport operations go smoothly and safely exactly because all possibilities of these kinds of occurrences happening are strictly monitored and avoided.

Tom Cruise taking notes for upcoming Mission Impossible movie😮

@zubairmh6605

Ай бұрын

Landing impossible

@laxmishinde9522

Ай бұрын

​@@zubairmh6605😅😂

@pain00077

Ай бұрын

might be a good action scene if done properly.

Million Thanks for the brave indigo captain and Airindia captain for handling the situation normally and bringing the passengers safe

@virajsthorat

Ай бұрын

Indigo pilot and the ATC guy are at the fault....

@firozosman

Ай бұрын

Yes, indigo pilot should have called out to ATC of the presence of another aircraft on the runway and prepared himself for a go-around.

narrow escape from ''coromandel express disaster 2023'' of Aviation !! Is ATC also recruiting contractual staff instead of permanent now a days like Railways ?

Is this airport run by Adani ? He may appoint some uneducated gujjus in ATC

Those who are commenting without knowing the reality of aviation, mumbai is one of the busiest airport of the world and those ATC know how they work in such stressful enviornment , now come to the incident the condition of take off and landing is while one acft is taking off till that time the other acft can't land and there should be runway end separation, even though it wasn't achieved here.. the reason might be air india took more time to roll , I've visited thete one of my friends work in Mumbai ATC.. so please, ATC and pilots know very well about thier work

@AmeSo85

Ай бұрын

True.. perhaps it was a bit close, but sequential takeoff and landing in the same runway is howI have seen mum airport operating

@benjaminaranha9704

Ай бұрын

I used to live near the old Santa Cruz airport and I have seen one plane landing at one end of runway while another takes off at the other end One is slowing down while other accelerating They obviously cannot crash into each other But here the distance between planes is far less

@rafeeqpvm

Ай бұрын

That means u can land and take of sane time? There should be minimum time between two airlines.

@mahalotarot

Ай бұрын

Better to build a separate runway for landing or take off at the same airport.

@sumanamjs

Ай бұрын

ATC’s have an extremely well developed sense of timing. At overloaded airports like Mumbai, the time margins are literally wafer thin, and it is critical that PIC’s obey the orders of the ATC promptly. The AI flight would have been kept on hold on the taxiway if horizontal separation was insufficient. Had things gone as usual, there would have been sufficien time for the AI flight to enter the runway, commence the takeoff roll and clear the runway for the approaching Indigo flight. The AAI is well aware of the critical shortage of trained and experienced ATC’s ever since the “Open Skies” policy was adopted decades ago, but seems to have ignored it in their infinite wisdom. Taking the concerned Controller off the roster will give him some well-deserved rest, but will burden his colleagues.

No two planes can occupy the runway at the same time that is the regulation.

@hussainhussain4782

Ай бұрын

No. Departure aircraft should be above ground when arriving aircraft crosses threshold

@ericdasilva3421

Ай бұрын

Landing is allowed only after departing plane takes off, The reason for this is that if the departing aircraft aborts takeoff, then there is a risk of landing aircraft hits it as landing aircraft may not be able to attain v1 speed to again take off. But I feed also the pilot of indigo is accountable he or she should proactively decided to perform go around instead of just following procedure

@flyingowl

Ай бұрын

@@ericdasilva3421 yes. I wonder how the Indigo pilots not spot another aircraft on the runway during any phase of their final approach.

@dave_cj

Ай бұрын

@@flyingowl - Bhai plane me se aisa nahi dikhta jaise chidiya uper se niche dekhti hai. Gajab logic lagate ho yaar.

@flyingowl

Ай бұрын

@@dave_cj it’s a 130 feet long mid-sized aircraft with a wingspan of 120 feet, not a tiny invisible bird. It can be seen from faraway on a good visibility day during approach. When aircraft enter the Mumbai peninsula to land on RWY27, they’re at max 1800 feet AGL. The pilots had enough time to see the aircraft from that altitude until the last moment. You’d know that if you’ve ever flown in the cockpit of a plane. Anyhow, going around in such cases is the basic principle that’s taught during pilot training. This was reckless and negligence of standard procedures.

Guy should be honoured he concentrated in physics class😅

It's Mumbai...we are used to this ! Touch and go !

It happens in busy airports. Not to worry. Normal thing.

Waiting for Flying Beast reaction 😂

The air controller must be from Bollywood and indigo pilot was not flying the aircraft But aircraft was flying him.

Rembered 'punch it' scene😂

It was not 6053 ..but 6E 5053 from Indore to Mumbai and the Air India flight was AI 657 from Mumbai to Thiruvananthapuram....may be the incoming was 2 seconds earlier..and the outgoing was 2 seconds late. The flight data recorder of the incoming flight can reveal if there is an increase in airspeed just before touching down..and if there is speed lag in the out going one...

What will happen if the takeoff flight in trouble? So after take off only landing should be allowed.

@pumred

Ай бұрын

Yes as per safety standard it is correct....but this airport operates with single runway with huge number of landings & takeoffs.

Must have been previous auto drivers 😂

i used to do this in airport stimulator games everytime. It's fun playing such close calls. But in real😮

Whenever I fly out of Mumbai single runway I used to be really nervous as I can see at distance another plane fast approaching same runway.

BTW at many airports in the world this is allowed.... However to me it looks quite scary from the naked eye....

@vu2sga

Ай бұрын

What if the taking-off aircraft had to reject takeoff due to any reason?

@AnilYadav-nt9mf

Ай бұрын

@@vu2sga after V1 you cannot abort takeoff. Even if you do, it's too late and the aircraft cannot stop itself in time and will crash after crossing the runway. To me it looked like the departing aircraft had already crossed V1.

@ericdasilva3421

Ай бұрын

Finally if the indigo pilot has actually seen the air India already taking off then it's quite normal, but otherwise a rejected take off by AI would mean the indigo would have to do a late GA and not continue the approach.

In airports their is fatigue of employees..

But IndiGo pilot could also have initiated a Go-Around. Looking at how close were they, the landing aircraft must have seen the aircraft on the runway well before during the final approach.

@pumred

Ай бұрын

They are not single one to decide themselves for extra go round...there are series of flights behind them...ATC calcuates the landing time slots and give preference signals to flight hovering over airports for landing and pilots have to obey it without any second thought.

@devansh8846

Ай бұрын

@@pumred I don't think so. Pilot in command or the pilot flying can always perform a go-around for any possible reason, like runway occupied, unstable approach, any problem with the aircraft etc. There is no such rule that pilots have to obey ATC over safety. Flight can get a landing clearance way before landing, depending how busy the airport is. There is an altitude called Minimum at which pilots should be in visual contact with the runway and all good to land. Upon reaching this altitude there is an aural warning in the cockpit as "minimums" at which pilot flying has to respond with calling "continue" or "landing". Even though, if the pilot flying feels it is unsafe to land they can still perform a go-around. A Go-Around can be performed until and unless reversers has been deployed. Whereas, ATC people are very well trained to handle pressure. Mumbai is the busiest airport of India in terms of flight operations. ATC can handle number of takeoffs, landings, go-arounds and diversions. It is not the pilots concern that there are number of flights behind him on the approach. He can always choose to go-around. I am amazed if the ATC won't be handle to one go-around on a bright sunny day. What would happen when Monsoon will hit!

@symonthelappillil5972

Ай бұрын

Go around can also cause issues in this case as indigo can collide with ai in air as both tries to achieve max speeds for takeoff

@devansh8846

Ай бұрын

@@symonthelappillil5972 this could be one of the possible reasons for not going around. But what I don't understand that by the time IndiGo had reached its minimum altitude which should be around 200ft above ground level for an ILS approach. Air India aircraft must have been rolling down on the runway already. IndiGo could have initiated a Go-Around at that time. And the visibility also looks good. Must have been between 4000m to 3000m, like usual. They must have seen an aircraft lining up or lined up on the runway. They must have heard Air India getting a clearance for takeoff. Because landing and taking off aircrafts are on the same frequency. Seems like atc and the pilots were confident about their calculations. What could have possibly gone wrong was Air India rejecting the takeoff. Which is why Aviation Safety Authorities, i.e. DGCA in India requires the aircrafts to maintain minimum separation all the time.

@flyingowl

Ай бұрын

Finally someone said it. The final call to continue with a landing, or go-around rests with the pilots alone. They could’ve gone around and flown a different heading while the AI aircraft continued with its IFR SID. But it looks like the IndiGo pilots failed to spot the aircraft or the AI entered the runway and rolled out without a clearance.

It could be a radio communication gap too. As like it was earlier when two boeing 747 one PANNAM & the other was KLM in tenerife on 27th March 1977, were on the same runway coming close from the opposite directions and crashed on the runway hiting each other. There too ATC had not cleared one of the aircraft for takeoff, but the pilots heard that ATC had given takeoff clearance. There are chances that bcoz of radio communication there could have been a gap where pilots would have misunderstood.

That was close ..anyway good performance by pilots 😄 I liked it ✌️😎

Major deviation in compliance with aviation regulations, miscommunication, poor supervision

Thank God for your almighty power who save both planes🙏🙏🙏

If the indigo flight followed the instructions from the ATC, who gave clearance to the Air India flight to take off from the same runway?

@theacechip

Ай бұрын

Air India plane was near or at its take off point (Vr or rotation speed) when the Indigo skimmed over the runway. If anything, the ATC should have instructed Indigo to make a go around well before approaching the short finals. They probably envisaged a touch and go scenario and it thankfully worked.

@SshivamKhopkar

Ай бұрын

​@@theacechip Go around from short final?? Air India aircraft was about to take off! It would have been an air collision at the airport!

@greenesyt563

Ай бұрын

@@SshivamKhopkar Not really tbh, There have been a few cases of go around and takeoff at same time, usually the aircraft taking off stays in their SID and the aircraft going around are given a heading. In worst case the aircraft taking off will get a level off resolution advisory. But obviously not the most ideal situation to be in

@theacechip

Ай бұрын

@@greenesyt563 Correct.

@dildileepnair

Ай бұрын

@@theacechip why a "go around" instruction at the last moment to the plane which is at its short final? He could have put the flight in a holding pattern even before approaching the short final. What if there were two controllers? One handling incoming traffic and the other outgoing traffic?(This is just my assumption). They didn't get the clearance to use the same runway from eachother for their respective usages. There had been a couple of incidents similar. Though not in India.

Flight controller knew what he was doing.

Indigo pilot is also at fault…..he would be having visuals of flight taking off on same runways on which he was given permission to land………..

That’s India 🇮🇳

Thats how airport officials optimize the usage of runways.

On 31 may same thing happened in delhi too, our plane just took a sharp incline and left turn.

Landing "following instructions" ? how about looking out the window? its clearance not an order.

Don't waste a time of passengers😅😅 seem like local Taxi😊

Why only one runway functional on such important airport?

@santoshsivaramkrish

Ай бұрын

This is Exactly Why NaviMumbai international Airport is Being Done AS Built2Suit Airport Project

It's Mumbai afterall.. space crunch everywhere

They are very talented I appreciate him

Mumbai airport is very busy airport. ATC mistake but this issue will re occur unless they move to the new airport.

This is normal why so hyped my Indian media . The controllers and pilots are perfectly synced the operation. Such kind of operations i have seen at many airports in different parts of world.

Mumbai ATC is under high stress. Time to accelerate navi mumbai airport work. It will reduce some pressure and avoid such situations.

Shouldn't the landing crew check runway clear at minimums?

Very well reported using accurate terms and description. In India such professional reporting is hard to come by...

That's fine. Pilots are experts and the ATC control officer also would know what to do and what not to do

@ericdasilva3421

Ай бұрын

Overconfidence can cause accidents the indigo pilot should have performed a go around

Unbelievable 🎉😢

Solely blaming the ATC is a reductive take. Receiving landing clearance does not mean you land under unsafe circumstances. Why didn’t the 6E pilots initiate a go-around when the runway was occupied? The visibility doesn’t seem to be bad enough for them to have not noticed the aircraft roll out

@ashwinoashwin

Ай бұрын

I doubt there was any chance of a go around at the altitude you are talking about with another plan taking off few hundred feet away!

@flyingowl

Ай бұрын

@@ashwinoashwin The go-around could’ve been initiated during the final approach not after crossing the threshold, obviously. The pilots should’ve spotted an aircraft on the runway earlier, the visibility doesn’t look bad enough to have hindered that.

It's not a serious thing. It's common now. Now these incidents should be ignored

@tgm9991

Ай бұрын

It's absolutely a serious thing hundreds of lives were nearly lost

@lakshyajain5608

Ай бұрын

@@tgm9991 Nobody cares about the lives lost because there are all monsters inside. Human is the real monster, they have made this world miserable to live 😜

TV channels should ideally take opinion to aviation experts rather than journalists to get more accurate information and deduction. Mumbai airport, despite all the heavy traffic, mostly operates only one runway runway 09/27 as the other runway 14/32 is a cross runway that intersects the main runway. In comparison, Delhi has 4 runways mostly parallel to each other. The controllers need the cooperation of the pilots to promptly act when they are cleared for take off as there would always be another aircraft that is about to land. The distances between aircraft HAS TO BE kept short, else the number of flights from Mumbai will be reduced drastically. From the video, the gap between the aircraft landing and the other taking off is not acceptable. It could even be because the pilot taking off didn't take off quickly. However, in such cases, the Air Traffic Controller is required to ask the aircraft landing behind not to land and to go around, but avoiding the aircraft taking off. Cooperation and failings of BOTH pilots and controllers could cause such close calls.

Bumper to bumper traffic 😂

This could have been avoided how was this possible 😨

This kind of action is common in indian airforce....but still not this close

Utterly nonsense from indigo pilot. Though the Atc gives clearance the pilot has all in view and could take preventive measures Turing around but continued to land. Indigo pilot is also to be blamed equally. After all pilots can see what’s there in front of them

Please take care 😢

Gross negligence.

Bycycle ✅airoplane ❌ Traffic problem

totaly mistake of ATC ...how they are permitted indigo for landing ..strange and negligence

@virajsthorat

Ай бұрын

Yes ATC is at fault but equally the Indigo Pilot as well.

@user-yy7xh6vv3d

Ай бұрын

@@virajsthorat but without ATC clearance he can't land.. Good thing was there was no rain and fog..

Considering that the visibility was good, the landing crew could have easily gone around.

ATC be like : Ok, but do you have stock exhaust

ATC guy is a pro😅😅

Beautiful seen

Good luck for the passangers of both flights .

He must be a trainee😮

Is this airport contract taken by Adani?

Please do not jump in to premature conclusions here. Movements are very high in Mumbai and you can expylanding clearance at 2 NM from touchdown to runway beginning. If a slight delay in departure rolling will make such type of situation. An Air Traffic Controller is having two solutions. First one giving landing clearance to the arrival and allowing departure to roll to avoid double decker situation. Second option is, if he got enough time, he can abort the departure and give a going around clearance for landing aircraft. But we don’t know what’s the actual scenario. But I think air traffic controller has done an excellent job by avoiding double decker situation. (terms are there and but it’s better to write for common man’s understanding. )

@jijojoseph9132

Ай бұрын

What if AirIndia had to abandon take off for some reason?

This type of stupidity has been a common habbit for Atc mumbai... Some years ago the same incident had happened... Punish them by dismissing them.. They are playing with lives

@virajsthorat

Ай бұрын

Bro what about the Indigo pilot ?

@rameshagsswamy

Ай бұрын

@@virajsthorat he can't be dismissed... Because he is in the ✈️air

That was close man

THIS NOT FUKING LUCK THIS IS THE HARD-WORK BEHIND THIS SITUATION STUDY AND MATHS PHYSICS 😂

When Ravi shashtri sir in ATC -BOYS aj kuch toofani krte hai ✅😂🤣😂🤣

ATC at Airport should not be played dangerous instruction..be careful about this action please..

I see it as maybe the issue of airindian flight because maybe the arc gave him clearance to a immediate take off and maybe they didn’t hear it ( its just my guess )

OF COURSE IT WAS A CLEAR AND INCOMPETENCE.

Indigo...suspect this airflight😮

God Grace all saved this is fault atc

पायलट may be physics topper

What will happen if take off happens opposite?

@santoshsivaramkrish

Ай бұрын

Then IT is HeadON Collision in Top Speed!,

This is very common and regular one, it can be dangerous only if there is a very strong wind else normal

@jijojoseph9132

Ай бұрын

No.What if AirIndia had to abandon take off for some reason?

Systematic symbolic synchronisation.

It was a matter of few seconds of delay and picture would have been very grim.

Busiest airport in the world with a single runway. Guess this is to be expected.

its legal and not legal , busy airports use something called anticipiated seperation but the distance looks too little for a safe operation

The CSI and Maharashtra government is probably determined to have a single east-west main runway. If they close the cross runway, acquire some land on the south side of the existing main runway, relocate all the maintenance hangers to the new Navi Mumbai airport, it is possible to have another parallel runway facing east-west side. It may not be a parallel take off and landing, but it will help to allow take off to be used by one runway and landing on the other. Closing of the cross runway will also allow integration of all the terminals (through subway system) besides having more number of gates, more aircraft parking space, more flight movements etc. Mumbai needs two airports with minimum of 2 parallel runways each to cater the current and future needs. Navi Mumbai should have the ability to add 2 more runways considering long term needs (for a total of 4 runways).

Is it experiment or negligence?

Emergency situations may require unique solutions, could be this was a safer choice instead of asking the landing aircraft to delay and prolong it's flight, especially given monsoon weather.

Short version is that if the departing aircraft had its wheels off the ground before the landing aircraft did then it’s probably legal. This is the short version the long one is that it depends on local High Intensity Runway Operations rules. Usually this is the aircraft leaving has been cleared for takeoff, the approaching aircraft is the same or smaller wake category, the landing aircraft will vacate the runway at a point before the rotate point of the departing aircraft. You are allowed to continue approach and it’s not uncommon for aircraft to be given clearance to land the moment the departing aircraft wheels leave the ground. This is very safe still not one incident has occurred during HIRO operations (as far as I’m aware). Even if the departing aircraft aborts and has to slow, they’d be end of the runway hence why being able to vacate the runway before the rotate point of that aircraft is part of the rules as it means even in this case both aircraft are safe.

There are terms called hold short, Line up and takeoff for outbound traffic where as for inbound traffic the pilot must report the ATC on final of runway before landing or when the runway is visible to the pilot. Both the Pilot of the incoming aircraft and the ATC is responsible for this. Mumbai has 2 cross section runway and is very difficult to manage traffic, parallel runways are always better for safer operations.

In reality, there was very little risk of a collision. The arrival and departure however were apparently a little too close together perhaps had a rejected take off been necessary. ATC pressure to get flights away without delay, maybe the departing pilot was not instructed 'immediate' take off and perhaps the landing pilot should have considered going around. It's easy to speculate but the full facts and circumstances need to be established before setting blame.

Vishwaguru 💪

What if the incoming flight aborted the landing.Too close call it was

It's ok salute hats off to ours pilots .this shows ours superioty in air . Its work of pilots with a lion heart. Daar Gaye wo maar Gaya.

desi jugard technology, overtime without pay gives you corporate saving. if so called 8hr duty extended to 12h is normal then this is also very normal.

ATC staff should be given capital punishment for such incidents.

@anuragpandey2635

Ай бұрын

You are seriously stupid. With just one runway what could the air traffic controllers could do. Your politicians have not builded another airport why are you blaming controllers

Please do not jump in to premature conclusions here. Movements are very high in Mumbai and you can expect landing clearance at 2 NM from touchdown to runway beginning. If a slight delay in departure rolling will make such type of situation. An Air Traffic Controller is having two solutions. First one giving landing clearance to the arrival and allowing departure to roll to avoid double decker situation. Second option is, if he got enough time, he can abort the departure and give a going around clearance for landing aircraft. But we don’t know what’s the actual scenario. But I think air traffic controller has done an excellent job by avoiding double decker situation. (terms are there and but it’s better to write for common man’s understanding. )

@theacechip

Ай бұрын

I think it was a touch and go (fully anticipated by ATC) and just about worked. There was no way the AI plane was abandoning take off as it was probably past V1 while the Indigo came in over the runway. The only issue might have been if the Indigo aborted the landing/gone around after or just before touchdown, then ATC would have to give it traffic conflict advisory in quick time.

Much drama about nothing. This is because of the camera angle. The aircraft were hundreds of meters apart. The AI plane had reached V2, ie take-off speed. Nothing was untoward here.

Indian road traffics same as in the aviation traffic! Better late than never

Meanwhile Tower guy watching Dhruv Rathee show...😂😂

@dash5008

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@santoshsivaramkrish

Ай бұрын

ATC Controllers may Have Been Watching India 🇮🇳 VS Pakistan 🇵🇰 T20 WorldCup match yesterday!,

The busiest airport got more busier

Pilots should be instructed to put their hands out of the cockpit and give signal to following aircrafts ; that will clear any doubts 😮.

@railcentral43

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@railcentral43

Ай бұрын

But how following aircraft will give hand signals to the leading aircraft