I have read a lot of fantasy books (like Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones) and there is no character like Mrs. Coulter. I think portraying her (either on a movie or a TV show) is literally impossible because she is really really complex! Starting from this premisse... I believe that the real Mrs. Coulter (from the books) is a mix of Nicole Kidman and Ruth Wilson´s Mrs. Coulter. You never know what are her inner thoughts, her intentions, her feelings! She is completely inpredictable. Nicole Kidman managed to portray a manipulative, serene, educated and kind Mrs. Coulter, while Ruth Wilson managed to portray an aggressive, confused, conflictuous, depressed and powerful Mrs. Coulter. I think the movie is not that great, but Nicole Kidman is the best part of it. I think Ruth Wilson and Nicole Kidman could be considered two sides of the same Mrs. Coulter!

@maythemushroom106

4 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t have said it better myself! I can’t agree more with this comment. I think both Mrs. Coulters represent different sides of the character... adapting the books in general is very difficult.. and both the movie and the show have mixed reviews, but I think Nicole Kidman and Ruth Wilson did so well with the character! they are the highlights of both versions

@avocateure

4 жыл бұрын

Cayo Vieira the power of Philip Pullman

@sainel15

2 жыл бұрын

Agree!

@thirstymonk

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, even though I prefer Ruth all the way, you're absolutely right!

@sarickacampbell2642

2 жыл бұрын

A TV show character will always have more time room and space to add more nuances, intrigue and depth to a character.

I liked Nicole Kidman in this role but Ruth Wilson is on another level for me, the way she can convey every single emotion trough her eyes shifting from the fragility of her pain to her raw brutality is phenomenal. I’m more & more entraced by Wilson’s masterly interpretation. It’s like she was made for the role. Her acting is mind blowing

@maythemushroom106

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, these recent episodes have definitely sealed in my love and respect for Ruth Wilson as an actress... she’s absolutely amazing as Mrs. Coulter.

@phoenixflores6193

4 жыл бұрын

She may not be the Mrs. Coulter we Imagined but she is the Mrs. Coulter we needed and never knew we wanted. Nicole may have the looks but Ruth had the spirit and Heart into It. Kudos to her

@phoenixflores6193

4 жыл бұрын

Not to mention Ruth’s Athletic/Katherine Hepburn-ish aura

@rugrat2505

Жыл бұрын

Ruth Wilson is a beautiful woman. A magnetic aura about her. Almost fragile at times.

@tgiacin435

Жыл бұрын

Apparently she’s casted as a lot of villains. I was listening to a interview she did with Phillip Pullman at the end of the audiobook, and you could tell she loved playing this character. To me, she’s what I see when I picture her in the books. And seeing her fight is pretty scary.

Ruth wins in my opinion. Her version makes me unsettled. The way she treats her daemon makes me uncomfortable. You can just tell theres something off about her, yet she hides it so well. Great performance.

@phoenixflores6193

4 жыл бұрын

I interpreted her actions as Self harming and Anxiety,

@pgibsonorg

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree, they probably benefited learning from the movie adaption as well as the screen time of a series allowing for longer scenes, but yeah Ruth was well cast.

@anneth9139

4 жыл бұрын

I didnt really like her at first but when she becomes so mad it becomes uncomfortable indeed and there she played her part very well.

Kidman played more towards the elegant and charismatic aspects of Coulter. How she manipulates people, especially children. Ruth however emphasized her crueler and darker personality. The fact that she is a sadistic psychopath. They're both extremely good but in different ways. I don't think either one is better.

@cloudsurfer73

Жыл бұрын

Kidman is more how I imagined Mrs. Coulter while reading the book, she had a certain charm that enticed those around her from being able to see her crueler nature. Very elegant. I like that version because then it makes it even more scary when you find out how she truly is

@oliverstone9577

Жыл бұрын

@@cloudsurfer73 yea I agree. I think that type of nature actually makes a lot more sense in terms of how she is able to rise to such great heights in a male dominated field despite the misogyny.

@cloudsurfer73

Жыл бұрын

@@oliverstone9577 Exactly. The TV series version is too obvious with it.

@ryanabate1981

Жыл бұрын

Totally disagree, not trying to argue though. Kidman played the villain no complexity, just the bad guy. She didn't approach it like the books. She was just bad for bads sake. Ruth was far more effective at showing that Marisa believed in what she was doing. She was still evil, but she believed in her cause. She also showed true love towards things she cared for. There were layers to Ruth's version.

@RinDemon5

Жыл бұрын

Shes definitely NOT a sadistic psychopath

I find it interesting that Mrs. Coulter keeps hitting her deamon. I think she was the only character at least in the show that's struck her own daemon or abused it in some way. Yet it's clear that when a daemon feels pain it's human feels a corresponding pain. So it's like... Mrs. Coulter self-injures? Definitely a sign of an underlying mental issue, like other forms of self-harm irl.

@unruler

4 жыл бұрын

Or it's not a daemon, just a pet. Notice he doesn't speak and they can be separated.

@Kniero

4 жыл бұрын

@@unruler it's a dæmon

@James--Parker

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't call it abuse, more like self harm? Cutting yourself and cutting your daemon has the same effect as the daemon is literally your soul. So it could indicate depression and self hatred.

@Kniero

4 жыл бұрын

@@James--Parker yeah

@10animallover10

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. They show the mental issues of her so very well in the series. In the movie it is more solidly menacing (except the real smack scene). I find the relationship between human and daemon incredibly interesting and intriguing. It shows such depth into how someone sees themselves. Mrs. Coulter hates herself/parts of herself and she shows that so well in the treatment and aloofness of and towards her daemon. I can't imagine doing that. I would be very close to my daemon, I'm sure.

The Nicole Kidman version is just so spot on. So elegant and alluring but so so so cold. She was so good for this role. Fun fact: Philip Pullman himself requested her.

@SYCZ

4 жыл бұрын

Veeda K Funner Fact: Philip Pullman hates that film.

@snnsrxn3188

4 жыл бұрын

Fun fact: Philip Pullman changed the characters hair color because he was so impressed with Nicole’s portrayal

@yucol5661

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s too much like an evil stepmother. Not creepy but in your face. She does look better and elegant, but is that better than being creepy and scary?

The fact that there is a conversation about about both actresses proves they are both excellent in the role. I enjoy them both.

Nicole is amazing, but Ruth was born to play Mrs. Coulter

@ameliejourdan6645

4 жыл бұрын

Yes it’s true 💖

@holierthanthee5285

4 жыл бұрын

Oh no chit lol its like she brings the book to life

@alyxkawkaw1299

3 жыл бұрын

This has never been more true ahh I love ruth

I feel like its a slightly unfair comparison due to the script for the tv show being a lot better. It's a lot easier to work with a good script.

@margaridagrilo5188

4 жыл бұрын

When comparing the two Mrs. Coulter you are not just comparing the actresses, you are comparing the script and production. So it's not really unfair.

@SYCZ

4 жыл бұрын

It’s also the character development. In this golden age of binge programming, you get a lot more time to see stories unfold.

I prefer most of the actors and the production design of the Golden Compass, but I prefer the darker/more mature tone and the dialogue of the TV series.

@catonamushroom1019

4 жыл бұрын

Prefer the movie

Kidman made a cruel Marisa, she made me feel like she enjoy hurting people. On the other hand, Ruth made a Mrs. Coulter more human, you can see that she's totally unstable and unhappy. Sincerely i loved both, but i should see the golden compass again to get sure.

Mrs Coulter was torturing her golden monkey when Lyra was talking about Dust. Normally in the book, the golden monkey should look more crual. When Lyra was talking about dust, the golden monkey should have had an angry face. In the movie, that evil spirit was more shown than in the serie.

@maythemushroom106

4 жыл бұрын

Anil Devadas, I think I like the series version of the Monkey better so far. I feel like In the movie he behaved more animalistic... whereas in the show I think that he does seem like someone’s dæmon.. albeit a repressed one. He feels like a part of Mrs. Coulter in the show to me, but in the movie he feels like an animal following orders.. especially how he behaved after getting smacked.. if that makes sense? I love how complex of a character Mrs. Coulter is... she’s torturing herself, and in the series they’ve even made her passively suicidal, she’s brilliant to watch in both though

@Illusionboi0721

4 жыл бұрын

@@maythemushroom106 I think each monkey matches their human version very well...To me Ruth Wilson is a boring actress, although the series develops more the layers of Mrs Coulter, Ruth Wilson doesn't...there is no elegance, posture, power...she looks like a mental patient that scaped and trying to play the part but is not able to due to her mental imbalances. Nicole on the other hand, demands respects, so elegant yet so cunning.

@kassi420

4 жыл бұрын

Illusionboi0721 you kidding me Kidman was boing in the movie.

@teriyaki8643

3 жыл бұрын

@@Illusionboi0721 has somebody played a UNO REVERSE card with your comment?

@daron6616

3 жыл бұрын

The monkey is more bestial and bastardly in the movie and especially in the books.

I’ve noticed that Demons (probably spelled wrong, I’m sorry) seem to play a lesser role in the show, at least as far as lines go. They seem like less of their own characters. I feel that Ruth has so much rage in her acting, she did a great job at making the character seem truly evil... whereas Nicole seemed to play the character with a bit more... composure? Both acted very very well.

@maythemushroom106

4 жыл бұрын

SketchTheParadigm York, Yeah.. the Dæmons are definitely not as present in the show. This is probably due to how expensive it is to add them, and having to animate the bears as well... I think they’ve done the best with what they were given. The cgi is amazing! But I definitely felt the bond more in the movie. Pan especially has such few lines in the show. And I’ve seen many people say that during the intercision they weren’t emotionally affected due to the fact that the dæmons have such little screen time... And yeah I like the performances of both actresses a lot too 😊, I find Ruth’s performance so heartbreaking and amazing. And Nicole Kidman will of course always be Mrs. Coulter for me as well

@ptowndrew2183

4 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing the daemons have a lessor role because they are so damn expensive like others have said. The CGI in this show is some the best out there, better than alot of movies. Im guessing they couldn't afford ( both time and money) to do every daemon for every character, the rendering time alone would of delayed the entire show. I guessing they expect us to imagine all the daemons are all there, just out of focus when not actively interacting with characters. They really did focus on making the main daemons ultra realistic and life like, the scene were Mrs Coulter especially on the TV show version hit her daemon is actually kind of scary because it actually seem like abuse because of the way the daemon responds to being hit. (music helped too ) Honestly i think it boils more down to not having enough time to render that many daemons when i think about it, HBO is filthy rich so they could afford the cost of doing many daemons, but it would just take forever to do it, each episode is like a movie length long, which means the FX artist have less time then they would for a movie. on top of that they used puppeteers to reference the CGI models of the daemons, can you imagine how crowed it would have been to have a puppeteer for every actor on set lol

His Dark Materials is so unfairly overlooked in the fantasy genre. Such a refreshing concept compared to the age old dragons, vampires, zombies and wizards.

Nicole lacks the motherly warmth, Ruth captures so well. Nicole looks like a statue.

@eric0556

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair from what I read from the books Mrs Coulter was supposed to be cold and stoic until probably the last book and not to mention has a young face. In the series she looks more mature to me but she did good nevertheless

@cloudyanimationstudios4219

4 жыл бұрын

I like the how Nicole Kidman played her part as Mrs. Coulter and more than that I think that she played the best war with herself how Mrs. Coulter does. You know, Mrs. Coulter is cold because she is in a war with herself. You can see that when she slaped her monkey, but after she huged the her. But this is just my opinion. We don't have to have same opinion.

I like the script from the series more than the movie's. The dialogues are really meaningful and deep. When Lyra sadly go back into her room after the deamons fight, Mrs Coulter with such confusing emotion (idk if it's sad, regret or anything) follows her and said "Our origin doesn't define us, what we do is what we have ..." It's just a simple addition but meaningful. She didn't ask for a kiss, cause it's too clear, it's a cheap manipulation, and Lyra is a same clever girl as she is, won't easily got manipulated by it. If we look more closer, Ruth Wilson's Mrs. Coulter does have elegant aspects, but it's realistic. For an educated female that busy with the government projects, she is surrounded by glamour things perfectly, although her wardrobe seems so formal, far from 'chick' impression but it's logic and still look elegant. And the series tell us more the way she is mentally complex, it's amazing, she's not just beauty and cunning but also powerful, that's the point, power what brings her to such character. So, I think Ruth Wilson's Mrs. Coulter has more plus, cause the series tell us more.

I love the show Version better when the Daemon gets attacked but I wish they added Pan calling her and her hugging him. In the show she didn't ask if he was alright or anything.

@maythemushroom106

4 жыл бұрын

I think the movies portrayal of the relationship between dæmons and humans was better.. It’s probably due to the budgetary restrictions in the show.

@paxlie00

4 жыл бұрын

The dialogue in the show was such that Lyra was being assulted via Pan and immediately stunned by the realization about her father. That didn't leave much room for her to comfort Pan.

@cheesethekoala8756

2 жыл бұрын

Yea same with when they almost got separated, in the movie she was more attentive to Pan but in the show it's almost like she didn't care... In the book, I remember it being really dramatic, with Pan being a wild cat and digging his claws into Lyra's skin and I kinda felt that. I wish they had portrayed that better

Since I watched the movie before reading the first book I feel pretty nostalgic about it and the casting was great. As for casting Mrs. Coulter I honestly think Nicole Kidman was more spot on since she seems to have that seemingly nurturing side but you can tell there's a more manipulative ,cruel side whereas the one in the series is more outwardly cold and controlling.

@janinewittjohann1726

4 жыл бұрын

Even though I think Dafne imho looks a little too old to be playing Lyra her acting her acting sent chills down my spine when people at Bolavangar were about to use that machine on her and Pan. My heart literally broke for her during that scene

@asahisbigsis2081

2 жыл бұрын

Agree

@tgiacin435

Жыл бұрын

Maybe this is because I haven’t seen the movie in so long, I’m a bit more partial to the series Mrs. Coulter. Maybe because when I think the movie, it feels too Hollywood, while the series version felt more like the book. Idk, I haven’t seen the movie in years while I’m watching and reading the series and books.

I don’t know which I love more; both do such an amazing job. How they’re able to go from this seemingly nice woman to a cold woman whose not afraid to do anything necessary to get what she wants at a snap of a finger is amazing. So different yet so alike. A woman who seems to have it all, but is struggling on the inside. I love seeing them interact with their daemons especially in Golden Compass where she slaps him and you see the imprint appear on her face showing that she’s hurting herself and is at odds with herself. I do like how we’re able to see more sides of Mrs. Coulter is Dark Materials than in the movie.

WOW! the series looks so much higher budget. The entire background scenery was CGI in the film. I'm so happy that this series is going so well !

I love Nicole's version, because she is both charismatic and scary at the same times. I feel she really capture the essence of Ms. Coulter in the book. I'm amazed and scared by her at the same times.

@cloudsurfer73

Жыл бұрын

Same!! I also like not knowing what's going on in her head like I do in the show, it makes her character more intriguing. The other actress is a little heavy handed and outright evil. Kidman's version was charming and you could tell loved Lyra despite being manipulative and ambitious.

The movie did a way better job at the human/daemon relationship. Though the new version had really good cgi for the animals I think this important dynamic was lacking

@maythemushroom106

4 жыл бұрын

Tea is just leaf water, definitely agree. The movie intercision for example focused on the severing of Lyra and Pan.. but the show focused more on the reunion between Mrs.Coulter and Lyra during that scene, which was also a very crazy and amazing moment. But I think that some of the emotional weight was taken away. (Btw I really love your username!!)

@Just_stoptalking

4 жыл бұрын

@@maythemushroom106 oh thank you ^^

*This might contain SPOILERS* I have seen the show and i instantly fell in love with the tv series version. I think a lot of people prefer tv Mrs Coulter might be from the way she bonds with Lyra eg. she always rub Lyra's cheek like what a mother figure would do. In the movie it weren't show that much or at all due to the movie time being short. The tv Mrs Coulter makes me a little uncomfortable from the way she treats people who didn't obeyed her. Her voice tone also is very on a different level like a mother but in the same time just like a villian cold but still has a slight warmth in it. Her personality is way much more mysterious and a lot more darker. The way she hid the truth from Lyra also is very excellent. Her golden monkey is okay but i'm just hoping it could make a lot more expressions like in the movie i still love it for being ruthless when it tortured pan

( A bit of SPOILERS ) I am so fascinated by Marisa Coulter as a character since i read the books. Everytime her presence was felt in any given scene, my mood would change immediately. I also love her (kind of) redemption arc, i'm not used to seeing it in female vilains. Also (HUGE SPOILER) the image of her, Asriel, the golden monkey and Stelmaria dragging the angel to the abyss will be on my mind forever. Can't wait to see it on the show.

@kvlcmyavuz2956

Жыл бұрын

What is your thoughts now

@iv7267

Жыл бұрын

@@kvlcmyavuz2956 it was awesome

I love Nicole but Ruth was born for that

I like both, Nicole Kidman and Ruth Wilson are perfect as Mrs Coulter ♥️♥️♥️

I prefer Ruth but Nicole was good too

I always wondered what her daemon was feeling when he petted Pan (in dark materials). Was it a power move or was it genuine affection. It could be both knowing Mrs. Coulter, but that scene always struck me as strange since her daemon is known to be quite vicious even with Lyra. Though he was the one screaming when she ran away instead of Mrs. Coulter; either that’s how strong her emotions were or some of it was his as well (or maybe both). In a way, since Lyra is Mrs. Coulter’s daughter, Pan is like Mrs. Coulter’s daemon’s son (if souls could be related).

i like more kidman, i don't know she has a scary aura,but i noticed she constatly touched lyra throught the film like a repressed mothering desire

@maythemushroom106

4 жыл бұрын

fra francyPv, Yes, she’s very motherly yet also threatening. I think the difference is that Nicole Kidman’s Mrs.Coulter seems like a person that children would gravitate towards. She’s delicate, motherly, and seems kind. Whereas the Mrs.Coulter in the series always seems a bit frightening... I like that too though, it makes for a good contrast. And I guess in the series she’s not the one doing the catching. She does feel motherly too but in a ruthless kind of way (pun intended).

@rhythmicmusicswap4173

4 жыл бұрын

@@maythemushroom106 the bath scene in the serie was way too awkward

@maythemushroom106

4 жыл бұрын

fra francyPv, it’s different in the books. If you notice in the Bath scene in the show Mrs. Coulter’s Dæmon was facing the wall? Well in the books Mrs.Coulter forces Pan to face the wall, saying it’s inappropriate for him to bathe with Lyra. I think this was supposed to represent her conservatism but also self hatred, rejecting a part of herself. They only alluded to it in the show though with just the monkey.

@rhythmicmusicswap4173

4 жыл бұрын

@@maythemushroom106 well considering Pan was the soul of Lyra on the book(i read it) it was like she was forcing Lyra of rejecting herself, anyway i don't know, maybe it was the acting(not a fan of the young actress, Lyra ia supposed to be 11 years old), but it was way too awkward and uncomfortable

@stephenking5852

4 жыл бұрын

Philip Pullman loves her casting so much, he regretted not making Coulter blonde.

Nicole Kidman was amazing, I don't deny it. Don't get me wrong, but I must admit Ruth Wilson is THE Mrs. Coulter. She completely nails the role in all of the series with her outstanding acting.

Nicole kidman played Mrs. Coulter perfectly She looked very beautiful nice and friendly from the outside but at the same time Angry and cruel Besides that anger and cruelty was played so elegantly and nicely bravo Nicole kidman I love her for that

Both actresses did a great job! Nicole is very good in the charming and manipulative side of Mrs. Coulter and Ruth in the scary and unsteady mental side of her and portrays more depth with her eyes and face. She unsettles me a bit more and that's exactly what Mrs. Coulter is supposed to do/portray. So those parts are my favs for both actresses but if I HAD to choose 1 of them, I'd think I like Ruth's portrayal a bit more :) On another note, seeing the scenes compared, I once again am a bit sad/disappointed with the daemon portrayals. As in frequency and bond between human and dae. It's probably budget oriented but still, I do miss it in the series..

Nicole Kidman had a better look, but Ruth delivers the more compelling, human performance.

The acting and execution of the scenes are so much better on the TV show.

Both castings for Mrs. Coulter are amazing! Especially Ruth’s version. To be honest, I think both of Lyra’s castings are ... not great. Dafne was great in Logan, but she doesn’t deliver, and it bothers me that she looks nothing like Marisa or Asriel.

@arvinroidoatienza7082

3 ай бұрын

Weird because for me she does look like Marissa. I was honestly surprised by the resemblance, even when from behind.

I didn’t realise that the golden monkey was screaming for Lyra at the window, Ms Coulter was having a panic attack while she was mentally screaming for her.

The tv Mrs Coulter does a really good job, but i honestly think the cast was perfect in the movie. Too bad it didn’t do well enough to get a sequel

Ruth Wilson is miles better as Mrs. Coulter. It’s like she was born to play this role. I do have a complaint about the show in terms of the way they handle the daemons. The deamons were underused.

Although the character of Mrs Coulter has black hair in the novel, Pullman responded to the blonde Kidman's portrayal by saying "I was clearly wrong. You sometimes are wrong about your characters. She's blonde. She has to be." Even the writer of the book prefer Nicole Kidman lol BUT I do like Ruth version too it's much detail maybe because it's a TV series.

@marti9734

Жыл бұрын

Thats an idiotic argument... dark blonde, red who cares. (I will always picture her dark haired but the important thing is the acting not the hair color. She could be gray haired for all I care)

I liked the TV serie then the movie cuz its has more details and more meanings so the serie win 😍 btw i just finished the serie today and im waiting for the last ep and season 2

I remember really struggling to get through the movie when I was younger, I got so confused by what was happening I couldn’t even remember Nicole Kidman was her mother or did t even pick it up. It was far easier in the tv show to follow the plot and I was far more engaged. Ruth seemed more real to me, even though the character is cold you can also see the anger and determination behind her, rather than Nicole’s cool robotic type pretty style.

I think the issue with the movie was the music. Sounds like something from the Tom n' Jerry lol

you can`t get against nicole kidman. ms coulter was very pleasant and charming from outside, that`s how she got close to her victims, even when she tlkked evil, she did it in a such pleasant way, her rue nature was shown only on her demon. and that`s how nicoled nailed it. in the show she was too rigid and mad

The series really does chill me to the bone

I think Nicole captures the book version much better than this new lady

@cloudsurfer73

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I think people who prefer the TV series might not have read the book. Ruth Wilson is an amazing actress but Kidman actually captured the book's character. I think it's not her fault but the writing in the show, the direction they went with some of the characters ...

The casting of the movie was better, but overall I enjoy the TV series more. They couldn't even get the hair color right on Lyra.

I just finished the books and nicole kidman is by far better and more fiting (besides the hair..). She has charme, grace, coldness, calm danger - just like it should be. Ruth wilson is a great actress but way to emotional and agressive for the character. In the books ms. coulter is cruel with a beautiful smile and devilish in elegance. Only in the last book towards the end she gets more visibly emotional and warm.

@chopsandtoots

Жыл бұрын

I feel like the people who prefer Ruth didn't read the books. It's been a long time but I do recall her being blonde (thought apparently even in the book they go from describing her having sleek black hair to golden so I think that's why I always imagined her as blonde), poised, and terrifying yet charming when she needed to manipulate people. I feel like Nicole nailed that role 100% I don't like it when characters who are described in novels as very controlled with their emotions being portrayed as unstable right off the bat in tv/movie adoptions to make them more "human" and relatable. If the books could develop her character and motivations over the course of 3 novels the show can too. It's a shame that the movies were so bad.

@cloudsurfer73

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I feel like people who actually read the books will see that Nicole Kidman's version was more accurate, she struck a delicate balance. Ruth Wilson is a great actress but it doesn't fit the Mrs. Coulter from the book, it's too much, she's not supposed to be obviously evil, we're supposed to second guess her motives because she appears so charming. She's not a straight up villain

@actually_curious4773

5 ай бұрын

@@chopsandtoots in the first version of the book she was a brunette, but after they cast Nicole Kidman Pullman actually changed her to blonde! Either way it doesn't matter, she's firmly a brunette in my head from the books but I still feel Nicole captures her book essence better. She's supposed to be this dazzling impenetrable bombshell at first. She's too emotional right off the bat in the show for me.

I'm the only one that likes the Golden Compass. Everyone hates it. The series looks good though. I shall give it a watch someday and plan on buying the books for Christmas.

@maythemushroom106

4 жыл бұрын

Modern Retro Gaming, yeah it’s definitely not everyone’s cup of tea... especially with such a controversial premise. I grew up with the film and books so they hold a special place in my heart. Even if the movie isn’t perfect, the show definitely is not either.. as many people have mentioned there is a lack of dæmons (budgetary restrictions even if its BBC’s most expensive project). But the show is very good! And I’m warming up to the new actors ☺️ (especially Ruth Wilson... a legend!!). So don’t worry you’re not alone in liking it haha, good luck on getting the books and I hope you enjoy the series. Have a Merry Christmas :)

@Skraeling1000

4 жыл бұрын

OH HELL YEAH, GET THE BOOKS! As is always the case, the original books will pull you deeper in and give more background than movies or series. For example- (Spoiler Alert.) What neither version did was show the strength of the bond between human and daemon the way the book does. One sequence that hits you in the face is when Lyra first meets Iorek and Pan tries to get close to him, while Lyra is unable to get past the gates. It shows very clearly and emotionally how it hurts to stretch their bond. Then, when they find the boy with no daemon, he has found a frozen fish somewhere which he clings to as if it were his daemon. Finally, on the boy's death, Lyra finds someone cooking this fish. She goes Apeshit. And by now, reading the book, you can fully empathise. There were moments in the book (and once in the series so far) when I had to stop reading/watching, and just go do something normal because it gets VERY dark and deep.

I felt it through my screen when both Mrs. Coulters slapped her Golden Monkey @ 9:02 and 9:39

I beg to differ! Nicole Kidman is so gracious in every moves! More complex and hard to read whereas Wilson is giving more of THAT supporting actress who’s serving as a distraction in a good way like Jennifer Coolidge. Love her 😂 and her costumes are not so eye catching… :( like her first appearance is not so convincing nor impactful enough to really make an entrance. And the fact everything is all black, brown and gray. Doesn’t add up to her first wardrobe in dark green and blue skirt! I mean blue and green. It’s contradictory! They both are very good actresses but Wilson is giving more of a warm, kind hearted mother which doesn’t add up the character flaw of why she abandoned Lyra in the first place! 🤷🏻 And Kidman is more of a alluring femme fatale. It just makes it more unique since this femme fatale appeared to be Lyra’s mother. It was just unexpected… and WE love that!!! Which kinda makes sense since she projected herself as a independent strong woman and sometimes too free spirited to even look back at her daughter. You can see in the movie they both have mother-daughter issues. But in the series… I don’t see why this will be a problem that a kind looking woman could abandon her only daughter and not so cold nor bitter. Then all of a sudden she turned full on commando. Though her emotions are far more upfront and more dominant, Kidman is way more subtle but yet deep just like feminine rage. Wilson is more like that one lovely mother you see in every Hollywood movies whereas Nicole is more rounded and complicated. P.S. the fact that Kidman’s screen time is like 10 times less than Wilson’s but still serve us full emotional roller coaster is top notched !!!

Miss coulter is supposed to give out Cersei Lannister mix Dolores Umbridge vibes. You can’t not help hate her.

Ruth wilson is best actress ever to you we always love all mrs. Coulter 😁💖😁😀💐💖

I loved Nicole Kidman in the role!

The acting and cast had a lot more flare to them in the first movie to me,it's a shame that they couldn't make another sepuel.

I thought Nicole Kidman was good, but His Dark Materials is a so much better program.

Nicole is closer to the book scene (and character), so she wins in my opinion. Ruth is amazing in the series, but she's not 'Mrs. Coulter', it's another character completely, which is not an inherently bad thing, just not my cuppa

@cloudsurfer73

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I can tell Ruth is a great actress as is Daphne , but that's not Mrs. Coulter and Lyra to me, those are totally different characters.

I like they both for very different reasons. I believed Kidman more when she manipulated with her beauty and charm. Two different performances both brilliant. Ruth really feels like a relatable evil stepmom.

I love Nicole Kidman's Mrs. Colter better, but the new Lyra is more spot on than the movie version.

Ok but let's talk about how Dafne Keen undermined Ruth's performance during the reveal that Lord Asriel was Lyra's father cause boy that's really hard to watch. I'm happy Dafne improved a lot in the second season

I like the casting from the movie better. But im on my edge for season 2. I love the series.

To be honest as much as I love the series I have to say, Nicole Kidman absolutely nailed the role. Ruth Wilson's version is too dark and unsettling for me, while in the movie I could absolutely feel how carismatic Coulter can be, how easy it is for her to manipulate her surroundings. However it's the exact opposite for Asriel... I have no problem with Daniel Craig's version, but he seemed too normal, too elegant, while McAvoy brings that spark of madness and obsession that is needed for that character. Both adaptations have some really strong points, and acting.

@maythemushroom106

4 жыл бұрын

Valentine Wiggin, So far I’ve actually liked Daniel Craig’s Lord Asriel better. To me he always felt very intimidating.. and I guess I like the look of him as the character more. James McAvoy looks maybe too young? (Even though he’s older now than Craig was when he filmed it)... I suppose Daniel Craig just has a harshness.. and I’m so used to him as Asriel as well. James McAvoy is a truly amazing actor so I’m sure I’ll come to like him in the role, he just hasn’t had much screen time yet so far. Edit: I just realized this comment begins and ends with “so far” haha

@phoenixflores6193

4 жыл бұрын

But the Complexity of Ruth’s Mrs. Coulter is just so Irresistible. Kidman may have Captured the looks and the Aura but Ruth gave the character new and deeper meanings. They got permittion from Pullman to Give characters more screentime to see how complex they are apart from Lyra’s perspective.

@valentinewiggin9152

4 жыл бұрын

@@phoenixflores6193 I agree... although it's not only the actress' work but more the screenplay writer's and the director's. But I see your point, and I also hope that once she will be free from the impression Kidman gave (like in the finale, where Ruth did an amazing job), she will have the chance to truly show what she is capable of, without comparisons.

@cloudsurfer73

Жыл бұрын

I wish they could mix both versions, they should have taken some actors from the movie for the show. I liked Nicole and Daniel Craig, they're just how I imagined in the books. I even liked Lyra in the movie, she was a lot more ferocious while the tv-version Lyra always seems so unsure, timid and why is she always whispering? I can be forgiving of movie-Lyra's acting because she's a child, I don't expect her acting to be amazing, it actually makes it more endearing. Lord Asriel is meant to be cold, he was never a fatherly figure he was mostly focused on his ambition, it's even more apparent in the later books, so was Mrs. Coulter but she has her more motherly moments.

I hate to say this......but Ruth is the better actor.

@snnsrxn3188

4 жыл бұрын

King 2202 Lol in what world?

I like Nicole Kidman's version more. But the TV series had better story. Movie had to make everything short, which is understandable.

Ruth knocks it out the park for me

Bahaha at 7:53 Lyra asked mrs coulter who her mother issss she was like I’m your mother but I’m not gonna tell you

Ruth is “off” that’s what makes her the best Mrs Coulter

Coulter looks way better blonde

Nicole - 🙌, Ruth - good.

I like both

Didnt know there was a TV show. Where can i watch it?

@tiffanymckenzie1236

2 жыл бұрын

It’s on hbo

The only part from the movie which I really liked more comparing with the series was the intercision scene, which was more emotional and more dramatical at the movie comparing with the one of the series. Appart from that, I enjoyed more the series. More darker tone and a very good script.

I remember watching the movie, and loving it, I played it on repeat, never had read the books at that point, eventually read them and then saw Ruth's performance and it blew my mind, Nicole Kidmans performance seems bland and flat, I think Ruth Wilson was great

Why does the series look more Sci-fi? The original film looked like it had elements of steampunk, it seemed to fit Lyra's world.

At the cost of being unpopular, I have to say that Nicole Kidman is the better of the two. So many people are praising Wilson's fragility, but that's the thing: Mrs. Coulter does not show any fragility at that point of the story. In the first book she's even described as "metallic", as if there's something artificial about her (I remember thinking she was supposed to be a robot the first time I read it as a child). The violence she shows to Lyra is not anticipated in any way, that's why it comes as a complete shock to both Lyra and the readers. I could see Ruth Wilson's rage coming from a mile away, because she seems always on a verge of a nervous breakdown (and what's with the random faraway looks?), which is the exact opposite of the usually cool, calm, and collected Mrs Coulter.

@ibrahimabarry4937

3 жыл бұрын

I agree she is supposed to be in complete control, a facade of beauty and of luxury that hides devious intentions, not constantly on the verge of a breakdown like Ruth’s version which you fear from the get-go.

@asahisbigsis2081

2 жыл бұрын

This is exactly what i thought. I agree with everything you said there. Plus, as far as i remember, the character of Mrs. Coulter in the novel looks charming with her gentle, gentle way of speaking (I remember Will even thinks that the way she speak sounds like a song or something) and her friendly demeanor. While Mrs. Coulter, played by Ruth Wilson, looks intimidating, and you know you don't want to get close to her even just by looking into her eyes. You could tell she had an ominous aura even just by glancing at her from a distance. That's why I'm confused as to why Lyra in the series looks so happy to meet Mrs. Coulter (she even had time to hug Mrs. Coulter too) even though the smile shown by Mrs. Coulter looked insincere. I'm not saying that Ruth Wilson's acting is bad, no, her acting is really good of course. It's just that, I prefer Nicole Kidman's version of Ms. Coulter because I think it fits better with the description in the book. Sorry for my broke english btw, english is not my first language 😬

@cloudsurfer73

Жыл бұрын

I don't even get why that's unpopular lol. Kidman did a better job with actually following the character. Mrs. Coulter is supposed to be mysterious that's what makes her intriguing. It's too much emotion, it's too heavy-handed IMO. She's meant to be charming, sly, motherly but in a cold and confusing way. It's make her more shocking, because we're trying to figure out her motivation as readers.

@littlepinkcactus

8 ай бұрын

THANK you! I am currently reading the books (I'm late) and nearly finished. And I was so confused, when I saw these scenes and everyone praising Wilson's Mrs. Coulter so much. If I didn't know it was supposed to be her, I wouldn't recognize it was supposed to be. She seems super confused, weak, on the verge of a nervous breakdown and unable to control Lyra. I will watch the series, to get a fuller picture, but from what I saw here, Kidmans performance and looks fit the book description way, way better.

@dennisscott1304

4 ай бұрын

​@@littlepinkcactus I'm about done with the series. The Golden Compass is my favorite movie of all time, and while I encourage you to watch the show as well, I found it painful. The dialogue, effects, acting and visuals are all just terrible. Everyone says the film barely follows the story and the show does, but my friends and I have been doing a little project where we listen to a chapter of the audiobook and then watch the corresponding bits of the movie and show back to back: the movie does cut things out and shorten scenes, but none of the essential parts of the story are cut. The show cuts out just as much as the film does, but it also adds a bunch of stuff that isn't in the novel and ruins the story.

Dafne Keen is just the perfect Lyra and the portrayals are so different I just can't even pay attention to Ms. Coulter😬

I'm sure Ruth did the best she could with the script and direction she got, but I couldn't stand her in season one. She was too whiney and loud. Nicole Kidman was born for the role and is one of the greatest actresses to walk the face of Earth.

Too bad Nicole played Mrs Coulter as a blonde, while in the books she has dark hair. Otherwise Nicole's charming, disarming beauty masks the underneath manipulative, scheming, femme fatale personality kind of portray is way better than the one in the series.

@actually_curious4773

5 ай бұрын

I think Pullman actually rewrote this thing in the books post-movie and made Mrs Coulter a blonde. I read the version where she's still a brunette and didn't care much about the change but I do think that a brunette Nicole would be the perfect embodiment of how I always imagined Mrs Coulter in my head. I'm only starting to watch the show so I can't comment on Ruth's performance yet but the way she carries herself and her wardrobe just don't give me that dazzling impression Mrs Coulter had in the book. Also some people say Nicole is too "flat" but I think it fits, her character is putting on an act all the time. I know they will humanize Mrs Coulter in the show but tbh I don't like how they make her so motherly and also clearly on the verge since the very beginning.

His dark materials >> the golden compass. But both Ruth and Nicole did great jobs

I hope Watchmojo does a video where they compare the TV series and movie. Sure the TV series will win, but the movie has at least some credit to acknowledge.

@maythemushroom106

4 жыл бұрын

I think they most likely will since they seem to make videos on most shows that are on air. I will defend the movie to my grave haha, I grew up with it and it introduced me to the books. I used to carry around a toy alethiometer and bring it to school. Pretend I had pan following me along haha. And I really like the series so far too... I hope it introduces people to the books just like the movie or even stage play before that did for other fans. I think the books are just hard to adapt

@stephenking5852

4 жыл бұрын

Kawaii Mushroom the movie introduced me to the franchise too. Even though I was confused by it, especially by the ending (scenes from the trailer didn’t make the cut), I waited for a sequel, and I was disappointed it never happened. Apparently it is because the movie was a commercial and critical failure. I then forgot about the movie, until years later when I did research on the books, and I was horrified to learn about the anti-religious themes. I turned against the franchise because of that, but after the TV series started airing on HBO, and some advice from a churchgoer, I decided to “take it with a grain of salt.” I don’t agree with the themes, but I do like the concepts of dæmons, Panserbjørn, witches with recurve bows instead of brooms, and best of all, the alethiometer.

@Jaqen-HGhar

4 жыл бұрын

Watchmojo is just the worst

@stephenking5852

4 жыл бұрын

Jaqen H'Ghar how dare you.☹️

Damn Ruth

His Dark Materials the TV series is just on another level, the adaptation is excellent as well as all of its actors. I think the Golden Compass had a lot of potential but unfortunately the writing undercut it.

Nicole Kidman is so beautiful tho

I prefer with Nicole Kidman

Well, maybe is because I am not an expert English speaker. But I've never get understood if Lord Asriel is the truly father of Lyra as Mrs Coulter her mother... Sorry but, can anybody explain me that? (Actually I do not speak English as my mother tong. But I understand the most of the lenguage...)

@maythemushroom106

4 жыл бұрын

chopy 123, Hello! Lord Asriel is the true father of Lyra, though he was not Mrs. Coulter’s husband. I’ve added English subtitles to this video... maybe that would help you understand it better. Your English seems good based on this comment ☺️ Have a good day!

I think Nicole came off as more sinister than Ruth as Mrs. Coulter.

ruth wilson ate and left NO CRUMBS in this series

Miss coulter is supposed to be beautiful and enchanting and dark haired

@cayelynbarrows2567

4 жыл бұрын

She's also described as being blonde.

@holierthanthee5285

4 жыл бұрын

@@cayelynbarrows2567 that's only one time

@cayelynbarrows2567

4 жыл бұрын

@@holierthanthee5285 No, actually. In the later books, she was described as having blonde hair, like Lyra.

The TV show is so much better. It feels grounded in reality somehow while the movie is so damn campy. I guess it's because they were both addressing different audiences. I just looove Ruth Wilson's performance, she really can play a villain you love to hate. In my opinion Nicole felt too sweetened, like she was just playing herself.

Ruth's Wilson's Mrs Coulter is much much darker

Its probably because I grew up watching Golden Compass, and havent read the book yet (only recently learnt that a novel exists for it) but I truly enjoy Nicole Kidman's interpretation.... I remember feeling confused yet somewhat acidic towards her as a child (even now, towards her character that is) because of how her Daemon would behave, how she treated Lyra and how she treated her Daemon... It made me confused as to whether she really was wholeheartedly evil? If that makes sense... Of course, as an avid book reader I understand she may not coincide with the Mrs. Coulter presented within the book. I have not watched his Dark Materials yet, but when I do hopefully I remember this comment and come back to add on to it. From the clips I can tell Miss Wilson is a great actress, but I do prefer Kidman's interpretation. For me, I can feel her presence (Im sorry if im not making sense😂) more than Wilson, like I can feel that she's here and I feel like I'm walking on eggshells whereas with Wilson, it's more of an uncomfortable feeling (she definitely feels somehow- way more human imo than Kidman's). Kidman's character felt less smooth (emotional transitions) than Wilson's though, for sure. But I like that about it. When I have time, I cant wait to watch his dark materials & read the book.

I think Nicole's version is what Mrs. Coulter behaves when there is other people around, and when no one is looking she becomes Ruth's version.

Nicole Kidman is great, and the original Lyra.

HBO did it better!! Love this show. Starting season 2 today

Ruth Willson 100%

8:50 9:47

Why this cat can talk?

People seem to be blinded by Nicole Kidman's beauty. Otherwise I can't explain how someone could prefer her soulless acting no child would ever feel enticing over the one by the amazing tv series actress

@saraloha4627

4 жыл бұрын

on the contrary, you may be biased against beauty/movie star as well?

@shayla106

4 жыл бұрын

Saralo Ha Yeah..that’s a childish response since I just stated, I like both. Unless you have the ability to read minds...thanks for showing your bias with that comment.

@snnsrxn3188

4 жыл бұрын

She perfectly played the character which script demanded. Their interpretation is different because the script is different. Soulless acting? Lol tell that to her Oscar

I think the TV show is much better!

Nicole Kidman plays Marissa Coulter way better Ruth Wilson. She does a phenomenal job but Nicole Kidman is Nicole Kidman

Nicole was way better!