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Good podcast, thank you. It is always useful to remember the methods described were used by the British military across the lands occupied by the British. It certainly points to responsibility resting within the highest levels of govt.

The story David told about "William Black" I read his book long time ago, he said he was sitting in his sitting room resting after feeding cattle on a farm which used to belong to his father a few miles outside town, suddenly a car pulled up down the street from his house, he watched 4 men jump out and get away, the car blew up (Car Bomb) The UDR man recognised them as British army and rang the local RUC barracks, to make a long story short, The UDR man was in a two story derelict house he used to store cattle feed, a man appeared at the door and shot him thinking he was dead, he survived to write a book on what happened, the UDR man also said while in hospital, he was left alone on an operating table, a man came in beside him and stared down on him as to want to finish him. It was a long time ago, I forgot the UDR mans name, he was a very honest brave man, even though I support the IRA provies. I could never remember the UDR mans name William Black... a good man

@TheNinyo77

5 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂 what a load of bullshit .

@jofasable

5 ай бұрын

@TheNinyo77 in every town, you find one "stupid fool" you must be a Tan.

Consistently excellent podcast - you attract fascinating interviewees whose research, like that of David Burke, is second to none. And also Republican, Loyalist and British Army interviewees who speak with remarkable candour and honesty. A couple of decades ago I recall Sinn Fein press conferences during which they would made allegations (collusion, shoot-to-kill, MRF extrajudicial killings etc) and I would sometimes react rather sceptically. Now, with time, it's emerging that all these allegations were correct.

Patrick McVeigh wasnt an ex-service man , he was in such organization like many back then due to his father being an ex-service man. Also he wasnt selected by the MRF nor was he manning the vigilante baracade. Patrick on his way home down the upper finaghy road, he crossed the road to speak to those manning the baracade when the MRF opened fire on all of them. Several were shot (5) Patrick was killed. They also were part of a two car operation with the first car opening fire upon another baracade just around the corner on the Andersonstown road, hitting two men but thankfully not killing any of them. A great podcast but defo need to know the ins and outs of a murder before speaking about it is all I would say to David though he does know his stuff on Kitson - great work Good Listener :)

They used the IRA's own tactics against them in my mind

David Seaman, who claimed to be a deserted British soldier at a Sinn Fein, Gardiner Street press conference, walked out of Moran's Hotel, Talbot St, Dublin , February 1972...days later he was found dead near Cullaville ,shot. It was believed that he was a Walter Mitty character who embarrassed the Offical IRA , who subsequently murdered him. But it later transpired that indeed he had served with the British Army 🛑🇬🇧

@kevinbarry1888

6 ай бұрын

Interesting.

@KeithWilliamMacHendry

6 ай бұрын

Was that before he joined Arsenal?

@irishdepartmentofagriculture

6 ай бұрын

Must be more to the story than just that. The IRA at that time had ex British service men in their ranks and no doubt a few were deserters. He must have done something to piss off the wrong person of influence

@irishdepartmentofagriculture

6 ай бұрын

@@KeithWilliamMacHendry 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@patkearney9320

6 ай бұрын

@@KeithWilliamMacHendryA fool.

What was the panorama program? Is it on KZread?

@thegoodlistenerpodcast

6 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/c2SYlNSpftWpg7A.htmlsi=vmH0e-THkmGGNFxE Brilliant channel too 👍👍

Top stuff mate, more like this 👍

Last comment from me: I agree that MRF drive-by shootings occurred too many times for these to be unsuccessful attempts at targeting known 'players' who had been spotted at Republican roadblocks. Seems to me the intention was either to discredit PIRA by suggesting they couldn't protect the Nationalist community. Alternatively it may have been just randomly stirring the shit without any motive, which is arguably even more terrifying. Have you had Prof Richard Jenkins on your podcast, author of 'Black Magic and Bogeymen: Fear, Rumour and Popular Belief in the North of Ireland 1972-77' (Cork University Press, 2014)? I can't recall whether it's Colin Wallace or Fred Holroyd who's quoted in this terrific book, but one of them says MI5 were faking evidence of black magic rituals in N.I. for no other purpose than to create panic and fear. Incredible.

Clausewitz recognised that attempts to "civilise" warfare are futile. The aim is to bring all your force with maximum impact however that has to be done. The idea that the British should play "with a straight bat" while combatting an unconstrained IRA or other terrorists is ludicrous. The whole basis of this man's position is thus nonsense

@cannibalholocaust3015

4 ай бұрын

The context is the state was happy to murder citizens who were serving it and against it. Of course you can say the same about the IRA.

@user-rc9ew3ky6n

3 ай бұрын

When will people realise war is a dirty business

Incidentally, re. the Chairman Mao quote about the guerrilla fighter being like a fish who swims among the ocean that is the general population, and Kitson's twist on this - that sometimes it's necessary to do something to the water. Something similar is said in the 2008 film 'The Baader Meinhof Complex' by the character Horst Herold, president of West Germany's Federal Criminal Police (played by the actor Bruno Ganz who also played Hitler in 'Downfall'). He instigated a massive dragnet across the entire FDR with checkpoints, document & identity checks and house searches to flush out the Red Army Faction / Baader-Meinhof guerrillas who'd gone underground, and were in hiding in safe houses (not that I'm comparing the Provisionals with the Baader-Meinhof, BTW), and says he plans to ripple the surface of the water in order to flush them out.

Is there a part two

Where is the rest of the podcast?

One of the British Army murder squads was captured near Dublin airport in the 1980s hardly the actions of a friendly Neighbours

@PotatoSalad614

5 ай бұрын

ira were in Englanf

@johnnypickles5256

2 ай бұрын

We're not your friends as youve reminded us for 800 years

They had a license to kill and find the enemy. ? But they couldn't find Gerry Adams or Martin McGuiness...?!? 😂😂😂

@martinleifnymark7432

2 ай бұрын

That’s because they were very good at hiding

FRU, DET, 14H, other unit's

@ashleighblack446

5 ай бұрын

Fishers of men was a motto on their crest, I used to wear a fru badge to court and the odd old police noticed and shared a bit of intrigue while aggravating your case to counsel. 😂

Thanks for sharing

Glad to find you. The term 'terrorist' as applied to the ira is a misnomer...Brits Out. I'll share more as we go.

The jungles of Belfast..... Black n tans sure set a standard and " Tharll be NOO DARNSIN...." PAISLEY.....maintained a standard.....!

honest truth

I read somewhere that the Fred's were named after Fred Flintstone, who one of them resembled

The Panorama documentary referenced 🔗 kzread.info/dash/bejne/c2SYlNSpftWpg7A.htmlsi=vmH0e-THkmGGNFxE

So your criticising, soldiers who went out and killed animals like the Mau Mau, who butchered many innocent Africans, in the worst possible way, they used to cut open the bellies of pregnant women, they never just killed white farmers, as for kill squads, killing cowardly bomber's of innocent people, what's your problem, sadly there was mistakes made, that's war, but to talk about the Mau Mau like they were innocent people, the men who went out into the African jungle, to hunt those animals, were very brave men, real soldiers, not cowards who stick bombs in shopping centres, stop telling half a story.

@ATLmodK

6 ай бұрын

The treatment of the African people who had legitimate complaints against a colonial society was less than human. If in fact the Mau Mau were also heartless killers that does not justify the cruelty that Kitson et al meted out. At the time the British made a lot of propaganda to the effect that they were civilized and the Afticans were savages. I have doubts as to the veracity of those claims but the cruelty and subjugation of a people with an overlay of pure racism is despicable,

@davidgraham6434

6 ай бұрын

@@ATLmodK You completely missed the point, but it is very revealing, soon as we hear those words, colonialism, racism ect, we all know what predictable bus your on, as for propaganda, it's people like you, that swallow the propaganda, your so predictable.

@davidgraham6434

6 ай бұрын

@@ATLmodK I find it hilarious and unbelievably hypocritical, that you remove people's comments and even likes of there comments, because you can't handle a response, you talk about propaganda ect whilst censoring peoples comments, once again revealing your true nature

@patkearney9320

6 ай бұрын

Do you know how many SAS lost there life’s in the North of are land NO because they always denied there fallen. In the early days we knew them by there rubber soles on there boots ( snatch squads) they’d run into a riot as soldiers and snatch tango targets.

@Iguazu65

6 ай бұрын

I would encourage you to read into the Mau Mau conflict. Its root causes and the sheer brutality on both sides. Then read into it watch Collin Wallace’s documentary.

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