Mr Bates vs The Post Office: The Real Select Committee - Nadhim Zahawi & Paula Vennells

Footage from ITV's Mr Bates vs The Post Office is followed by the full exchange between Nadhim Zahawi and Paula Vennells at the real Select Committee hearing about the Post Office Horizon scandal on February 3, 2015.
Business, Innovation and Skills Select Committee Hearing
Participants:
Nadhim Zahawi MP
Paula Vennells
Angela Van Den Bogerd
Ian Henderson
The ITV drama combines Ron Warburton and Ian Henderson into one composite character, Bob Rutherford.
Mr Bates vs The Post Office © ITV Studios 2024
Business, Innovation and Skills Select Committee Hearing © UK Parliament 2015
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  • @jamiesedgefield5476
    @jamiesedgefield54765 ай бұрын

    surprisingly the real version is better than the ITV one

  • @sowen121
    @sowen1215 ай бұрын

    It’s these two that should face criminal charges

  • @davidfoster3814

    @davidfoster3814

    5 ай бұрын

    Actually far more than those two . If you Google Private Eye + Post office scandal you get a crystal clear and very thorough 7 page report on the whole sad mess .

  • @g.c.z8444
    @g.c.z84445 ай бұрын

    This clip is all the evidence that is required for paula vennels to face criminal charges. Lie upon lie upon lie.

  • @yetanotherstronk

    @yetanotherstronk

    5 ай бұрын

    What's upsetting in general about parliamentary questioning is that if you lie there the worst that can happen is you are held to be 'in contempt of parliament'. The punishment for this is... nothing. A statutory public inquiry is different. Not only can you be compelled to give evidence (failure to do so without reasonable excuse is criminal offence), but if you lie to an inquiry that is a criminal offence. I don't actually see that she's lying here, necessarily. She is just claiming not to really understand what has been requested and withheld. If it turns out she was fully briefed and part of the decision that was made to withhold the documents, then it does appear that she is lying.

  • @hariowen3840

    @hariowen3840

    4 ай бұрын

    @@yetanotherstronk Except that the privilege against self incrimination can be taken advantage of in a public enquiry.

  • @yuna-1971
    @yuna-1971Ай бұрын

    I despise Zahawi, but he did a good job here hounding Vennells.

  • @simonpassmore

    @simonpassmore

    25 күн бұрын

    Same, good to see he was as effective in real life as he was on the dramatisation

  • @sargentstephens45
    @sargentstephens452 ай бұрын

    The ITV show was utterly compelling, drama of the very highest order. But this, the actual scene being played out in real life takes the whole thing to an even greater level.

  • @TM-yr3pc
    @TM-yr3pcАй бұрын

    Hats off to Zahawi on this one….they wriggled, dissembled, disseminated and lied and were seen to do so….9 years later they’re still do it….

  • @user-tz7id8lg7g
    @user-tz7id8lg7g4 ай бұрын

    Vennells must face a very long Jail Sentence, without fail.

  • @mikew742
    @mikew7422 ай бұрын

    Those two women are hopelessly, this really needs to be fully in the hands of the police.

  • @billywhizz6483
    @billywhizz64835 ай бұрын

    These post office executives (and others involved in the cover up) should be in prison.

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@brightphartRich, white, upper middle class, Christian criminals almost never face justice. Anyone hoping to see Vennells prosecuted is in for a big disappointment. She's going to enjoy her gold plated pension in her multi million pound Bedfordshire mansion.

  • @decimustv4257

    @decimustv4257

    5 ай бұрын

    It's fraud that they committed which is a criminal offence. By that I mean, they carried out deception in order acquire a financial gain. They should go to jail.

  • @cobbler9113
    @cobbler91135 ай бұрын

    The dramatised version actually waters down the real version of events. Appreciate Zahawi has found himself in hot water over taxes in the past year or so, but he was on fine form here.

  • @funkycains

    @funkycains

    5 ай бұрын

    indeed, credit where its due. In 2015 he was doing his job well

  • @seesidesummerhouse6112
    @seesidesummerhouse61125 ай бұрын

    Went after them, fair play to the lad. Amazing line of questioning.

  • @GroundhogRoy
    @GroundhogRoy5 ай бұрын

    Michael Howard would be proud of these two's inability to answer a simple yes/no question.

  • @hariowen3840

    @hariowen3840

    4 ай бұрын

    There's been quite a few potential future politician material unearthed by this enquiry! (Highly evasive types.)

  • @JohnnyTHolland
    @JohnnyTHolland2 ай бұрын

    Well done Nadhim Zahawi - an (albeit rare) example of a politician getting it right.

  • @PandyBong

    @PandyBong

    2 ай бұрын

    For a change, he truly is amazing here.

  • @CrystalWify
    @CrystalWify5 ай бұрын

    The real committee dialogue is more outrageous.

  • @thesmithersy

    @thesmithersy

    5 ай бұрын

    They have to cut it down for TV and dramatical purposes

  • @MrPants1970
    @MrPants19702 ай бұрын

    Both these women need locking up!

  • @buffplums

    @buffplums

    2 ай бұрын

    MrPants1970 lol what a brilliant name you have lol 😂

  • @camf7522
    @camf75222 ай бұрын

    2:32 did the CEO really say “it is about the reputation of the Post Office”…how can she believe that..surely it is about the truth and justice!

  • @nikolaslarson6891
    @nikolaslarson6891Ай бұрын

    The "vicious vicar" in full swing...! It is simply stunning to directly witness such levels of arrogance and hypocrisy.

  • @mk91-vz1oj
    @mk91-vz1ojАй бұрын

    Zahawi playing the part of an MP who does his job properly

  • @SundaeExpress
    @SundaeExpress5 ай бұрын

    Paula and Angela both belong in jail. But no, they get bonuses, directorships and CBEs instead 🤦‍♂

  • @rubberplantsandwich
    @rubberplantsandwichАй бұрын

    Imagine, at your place of work, some money goes missing. You get blamed. If you deny it you are threatened with court resulting in prison. Or if you admit it you just get a suspended sentence or community punishment. So to avoid prison you admit guilt. Over and done with you think. Then your company sues you for court costs because you were found guilty, you owe £350,000 in court costs. Your life ruined. This company is called the Post Office. Their logo is " whatever you need us for, we're here for you". They spent £100 million in expensive lawers to try to avoid paying £58 million in compensation. The class action saw the incorrectly convicted see £20,000 in compensation after court costs. The executive salaries were between £250,000 and £500,000. Post Office investigators were given bonuses for every Horizon conviction

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    Ай бұрын

    Paula Vennells is evil.

  • @RonaldBartels
    @RonaldBartels5 ай бұрын

    These two are liars.

  • @boydovens4180
    @boydovens418028 күн бұрын

    Once you start to lie , theres no going back , Nadim was brilliant .

  • @bmac7634
    @bmac76345 ай бұрын

    The answer is this. We cannot provide the files because if we do the games up and we're going to jail.

  • @Alvio64
    @Alvio645 ай бұрын

    Hilarious when you get a politician asking the questions they want a straight answer when you never get a straight answer out of any of them

  • @joeogle7729

    @joeogle7729

    5 ай бұрын

    To be fair, select committees can show some politicians at their best. I highly recommend watching some of Darren Jones' select committees. He has a genuinely zero tolerance for BS and it's glorious to watch.

  • @Alvio64

    @Alvio64

    5 ай бұрын

    @@joeogle7729 I'm sure it does. But why can't they extend that no bs mentality to when someone is asking then a question

  • @timetochange4376
    @timetochange43765 ай бұрын

    The gruesome twosome, destroyed peoples lives then left to get high paid jobs elsewhere..... shocking 😢

  • @GillianRosheuvel
    @GillianRosheuvel4 ай бұрын

    The Post Office needs to pay back the money they took from the subpostmasters.

  • @geraldine9116

    @geraldine9116

    4 ай бұрын

    And more for destroying their lives. Disgusting 🤮

  • @joerudnik9290
    @joerudnik9290Ай бұрын

    Why wasn’t Vennells punished for obstruction of justice or perjury??? She didn’t want the British Post Office to take its rightful blame and incrimination.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😡🤬

  • @grahamnichols1416

    @grahamnichols1416

    Ай бұрын

    Probably for the same reason that Zuckerburg stonewalled and obfuscated the Senate? If you waffle for long enough, the time for questioning runs out, and you're golden.

  • @johny5724
    @johny57242 ай бұрын

    Post office is clearly shameful

  • @nsturgeon7145
    @nsturgeon71455 ай бұрын

    Paula and the other hard-faced cow should be brought to justice.

  • @if6was985
    @if6was9855 ай бұрын

    And someone in government thought it a good idea to give her a CBE?

  • @jamesbowskill362

    @jamesbowskill362

    5 ай бұрын

    NAME THAT PERSON, WE NEED TO KNOW !

  • @tracyhodgkins7516

    @tracyhodgkins7516

    2 ай бұрын

    In theory honours are handed out by the monarch of the day, so in this case the late Queen, but in fact honours are recommended by the Prime Minister of the day, so it depends on who was in no. 10 when she received the CBE. Honours can also be nominated by members of the public, but my guess is that hers was recommended by the Prime Minister.

  • @GregorMcIntosh
    @GregorMcIntosh5 ай бұрын

    Craziest thing about the entire fucking saga surrounding the ITV dramas, the fact that Nadim Zahari fucking played himself

  • @exdoode

    @exdoode

    5 ай бұрын

    stay off the poison

  • @noelbarnes9673
    @noelbarnes96735 ай бұрын

    Jail is the only place for these liars

  • @namefinder
    @namefinder5 ай бұрын

    The Post office does the impossible by making Tory MPs look good in comparison

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    😂

  • @dan32767

    @dan32767

    5 ай бұрын

    @namefinder Tory: asks a question NotATory: starts to answer Tory: SHOUTS Fuck the lot of them

  • @donnythedealer9110

    @donnythedealer9110

    5 ай бұрын

    he shouted cos she was gonna spew some shite @@dan32767

  • @ashleybird5869

    @ashleybird5869

    5 ай бұрын

    I nearly spat my morning coffee out! Just goes to show how badly they handled the scandal if they can make Zahawi look competent!

  • @RichieP68

    @RichieP68

    5 ай бұрын

    @@dan32767 Because she starts answering her own question, not the question that was asked.

  • @tetchuma
    @tetchuma3 ай бұрын

    This is what happens when you run the government as a corporation. I’m a Texan-American where privatization of government entities have been allowed to propagate; infiltrating (and often, ‘changing’ the laws) for their own profit, at the sake of the workers. I thought the UK was better than that.

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    3 ай бұрын

    I agree with the principle of your point, but the Post Office is publicly owned in the UK. Much of the public sector in the UK is institutionally corrupt or incompetent, let alone the greedy, unscrupulous private sector. The one difference is that corporate criminals can usually be prosecuted. Here, the chief executives in the public sector just move to a different position or get a gold plated retirement. No one is ever held accountable.

  • @tetchuma

    @tetchuma

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Illustraful Did they not learn anything from the Aberfan disaster??? Not holding political officials accountable has a tendency to prevent other major disasters!

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    3 ай бұрын

    @@tetchuma Look up Sharon Shoesmith Baby P scandal and it'll tell you all you need to know about the public sector in the UK.

  • @tetchuma

    @tetchuma

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Illustraful Wow. That case is truly disturbing.

  • @NPA1001
    @NPA10012 ай бұрын

    Two outright barefaced liars.. should be in jail

  • @michaelfraser1073
    @michaelfraser107329 күн бұрын

    Paula Vennells is such a crooko she made Nadim Zahawi look competent.

  • @Miss_sassyxx
    @Miss_sassyxx5 ай бұрын

    She needs to hand back her golden hand shake and if not she needs to go to jail. How thick are the judges to think after getting a new computer system in that over . r 700 postmasters become thieves

  • @michaelgarvey2148
    @michaelgarvey2148Ай бұрын

    Never trust anyone who starts every sentence with .. so .

  • @Jack-hy1zq

    @Jack-hy1zq

    27 күн бұрын

    Agreed 💯. Their prefacing replies with "so" is a deliberate attempt at deception because its use implies a sincere attempt to be honest and fully transparent - "So, these are the facts".

  • @cdeaker
    @cdeaker5 ай бұрын

    Paula Vennells walked into being the chair of an NHS Trust with the help of Dido Harding. Yet another example of failing upwards. From Alexander’s Excavations blog: Dido Harding the Chair of NHS Improvement was personally involved in Vennells’ selection for the Imperial Chair. NHS Improvement has admitted that it gave no ‘specific weight’ to the major litigation against the Post Office nor to MPs’ concerns about the Post Office’s leadership at the time that it appointed Vennells to the Imperial Chair. NHS Fit and Proper Person arrangements are not fit for purpose. They are also under the control of Dido Harding and NHS Improvement, who have delayed in acting properly upon the recommendations of a review by Tom Kark QC into these issues.

  • @PJMcInerney

    @PJMcInerney

    5 ай бұрын

    You might know more but I heard Nick Ross non exec semi threatened someone who actually raised a voice of dissent when Vennells was selected for this role

  • @cdeaker

    @cdeaker

    5 ай бұрын

    @@PJMcInerney I thought you were kidding but I looked it up & sure enough Nick Ross got involved: ... "She was stunned to receive a lengthy 'private' email from former BBC Crimewatch presenter Nick Ross, who at the time was a non-executive board member at the trust, telling her: 'I truly fear you may come to regret your attempts to have Paula Vennells sacked from her existing roles,' and adding: 'I worry that, for the best of intentions, you are pursuing a vendetta that may backfire on you.'"......

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@cdeakerThat's shocking. I wasn't aware of that. I wouldn't be surprised if Ross is keeping a low profile now.

  • @PJMcInerney

    @PJMcInerney

    5 ай бұрын

    Once you are accepted into 'the gang' usually you get the backing of the other gang members....

  • @cdeaker

    @cdeaker

    5 ай бұрын

    @@Illustraful it looks as if NHS Imperial Health have scrubbed Nick Ross off their list of trustees. I compared latest version of page to GoogleCache

  • @jeremyroberts39
    @jeremyroberts39Ай бұрын

    Can't wait for Paula on Wednesday.......got the popcorn ready! 😊😊😊😊

  • @runintoabrickwall3342
    @runintoabrickwall334220 күн бұрын

    Very direct and precise questioning by Nadhim Zahaw who carelessly forgot to pay £5 miilion in Tax. Vennells, along with her Gang, the master peddlers of misinformation and stalling and of a "it wasn't me" crass attitude. I'm sure the 80 Detectives and support staff now on the case with finally put things straight.

  • @nigelgillingham1250
    @nigelgillingham12505 ай бұрын

    Both need to go to prison, such a big cover up and Paula needs to have her CBE taken away immediately..... Glad they have now been named and shamed....

  • @philh8288

    @philh8288

    5 ай бұрын

    And pay back her huge pension!

  • @nigelgillingham1250

    @nigelgillingham1250

    5 ай бұрын

    @@philh8288 Absolutely!!!!

  • @chris-4566
    @chris-45664 ай бұрын

    I have no qualms about both these women going to jail for a very long time for their shocking willingness to allow innocent postmasters to be jailed or losing their life savings.

  • @greenman1411

    @greenman1411

    Ай бұрын

    Not just them who should be doing jail time.

  • @benlackenby
    @benlackenby5 ай бұрын

    The real thing is actually worse than the drama

  • @SNAFUferret
    @SNAFUferret5 ай бұрын

    Karma is coming for the gross incompetents at the post office who are responsible for so much suffering. I want to see Vennells behind bars.

  • @philh8288

    @philh8288

    5 ай бұрын

    I hope so too, but she needs to be made to pay back her pension first. What A total horrible BITCH

  • @dannjp75
    @dannjp755 ай бұрын

    I take great joy in watching the pair of them sit there and stew in their own lies. Put them both in prison.

  • @whisper88888
    @whisper888882 ай бұрын

    Wicked woman!

  • @oldneo4309
    @oldneo43095 ай бұрын

    After further questions by the MP Brian Bilney it became apparent that Post Office Head of Legal had refused to provide the later files.

  • @mikewilliams5670
    @mikewilliams56705 ай бұрын

    This is disgusting, they have nothing but contempt for all the people they have cruelly hounded until their lives and lively hoods were stolen from them. Now it's all about saving their own skins. Justice needs to be served.

  • @grangerover500
    @grangerover500Ай бұрын

    5:14 Alan Bates himself (to the right of Ian Henderson) delighting in seeing the PO bosses squirm!

  • @royhumphrey49
    @royhumphrey495 ай бұрын

    My respect for Nadhim Zahawi has been enhanced one-hundred-fold!

  • @kurtgodel5236

    @kurtgodel5236

    5 ай бұрын

    Zero times a hundred equals ...

  • @gingerjingaloo2992

    @gingerjingaloo2992

    5 ай бұрын

    The horse-warming tax-dodger deserves no respect at all.

  • @v12ngt
    @v12ngt5 ай бұрын

    both women need to serve time in prison

  • @btmorley833
    @btmorley8335 ай бұрын

    And why are these two women not in prison?

  • @michaelmcginley7930

    @michaelmcginley7930

    5 ай бұрын

    Because it would set a precedence of corporate individuals being held to account for malpractice in public bodies.Its possible after much deflection from vennels and co that the tea lady eill take the hit for their eicked actions

  • @Herblay63

    @Herblay63

    4 ай бұрын

    Because they know they kept ministers fully informed further up the chain right into Government from 2010 onwards. There has to be a firebreak otherwise ministers will also have to go to jail. These two have been shredding evidence since 2012 so there isn't an upwards paper trail. The Government know that if these two go to jail, they will start to sing. The only way to keep them quiet is to keep them out of jail. I think you will find that only a few of the lower ranks in the PO and Fujitsu will go to jail. They will be found to have operated beyond their authorisation, it will be found that the former PO Board will all claim that nobody told them that there were problems with the system. Of course it's all complete rubbish but a lie doesn't have to be believable to stand if all the evidence has been shredded. That's why Paula got a CBE in 2019, it was a form of statement from on high that she's got air cover.

  • @agill7
    @agill75 ай бұрын

    I've developed a newfound respect for Mr Zahawi! He absolutely destroyed them 😅

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    He's a tax evading liar, but yes he did a good job here. Broken clocks etc.

  • @oris247

    @oris247

    5 ай бұрын

    He did a good job but he's also grandstanding. Any decent MP would have done the same. Zahawi is a tax evader who has kept money to himself which could have gone to the NHS and other vital services.

  • @alxdavy

    @alxdavy

    5 ай бұрын

    @@Illustrafultax avoidance is not tax evasion.

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    @@alxdavy Either way, he lied about it until the truth emerged.

  • @anonymousanonymous7250
    @anonymousanonymous72502 ай бұрын

    Still can't believe they got Nadhim Zahawi to do this.

  • @PandyBong

    @PandyBong

    2 ай бұрын

    Alot of bad stuff to say about him, but he's on fire here.

  • @jamie_j0h
    @jamie_j0h27 күн бұрын

    The likeness of the actor cast for Zahawi is actually fantastic, I genuinely thought it was the real him.

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    27 күн бұрын

    I'm assuming sarcasm?!😁

  • @henrycookson8208

    @henrycookson8208

    27 күн бұрын

    I think he's a bit of a method actor

  • @jamie_j0h

    @jamie_j0h

    27 күн бұрын

    @@Illustraful I may be being stupid but no, actually (I haven't watched the show). Is zahawi acting as himself in the dramatisation?.

  • @richinderbyshire4779

    @richinderbyshire4779

    27 күн бұрын

    @@jamie_j0h yes

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    27 күн бұрын

    @@jamie_j0h Yes. ITV approached him and asked him to play himself. He agreed and supposedly donated his fee to charity.

  • @markellis2366
    @markellis23664 ай бұрын

    Pack your bags for prison

  • @DJBaldPaul
    @DJBaldPaul5 ай бұрын

    Hearing Ian Henderson contradict everything Angela Van Den Bogerd says right at the end of the clip is dynamite - would love to have seen a few more minutes of this.

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    You can watch the full session online. I just chose to upload the section depicted in the TV show.

  • @andrewwhitehead2002

    @andrewwhitehead2002

    5 ай бұрын

    Yep... that was proper brave of him. kudos

  • @user-pm2oo7zu7j
    @user-pm2oo7zu7jАй бұрын

    Incompetence at another level

  • @marneyman
    @marneyman5 ай бұрын

    Brilliant casting and portrayal!

  • @dariusdoodoo
    @dariusdoodoo5 ай бұрын

    Truly putrid women. How can they sleep at night.

  • @brianlopez8855
    @brianlopez88555 ай бұрын

    Do us all a favour Paula...

  • @healthypostnatalbody
    @healthypostnatalbody5 ай бұрын

    And Vennells received her honour 4 years after this..by the same government grilling her here

  • @andypandy9013

    @andypandy9013

    5 ай бұрын

    It was an All Party Committee, not a Government one.

  • @patkelly8869
    @patkelly88695 ай бұрын

    Clear evidence that full depth of problem was known by post office management,obviously Vennells should have taken action but was charged with making profit at any cost.The blame must be with Moya Greene the previous ceo when this system was introduced and Ed Davey who refused five to meet with Alan Bates to discuss in 2010 / 2011 and 2012 😡

  • @SIXITHS

    @SIXITHS

    5 ай бұрын

    Ed Davey was the first cabinet MP to actually meet Alan Bates, so repeating that he 'refused to meet' Mr Bates is misleading at best.

  • @patkelly8869

    @patkelly8869

    5 ай бұрын

    @@SIXITHS utter nonsense ( written by Ed “the dead “ Davey 😡

  • @gobi3222

    @gobi3222

    5 ай бұрын

    Ed Davey in that position for 2 years lied to repeatedly by Post Office executives.What about Labour Ministers and Conservative Ministers in that post before or after. Are you a Tory supporter trying to put it all on to Ed Davey for political reasons? Sounds like it.

  • @ybliga
    @ybliga5 ай бұрын

    If the Post Office had a problem with its IT and this was causing significant branch issues, you would have thought it was in their best interest to get to the bottom of it. After all, how can the business proceed effectively if they are spending time closing down branches and prosecuting their Sub postmasters?? Surely, it was in the best interest of the Post Office to get to the truth so that they could draw a line under it and move on . . . the first step being to scrap the system and seek redress from Fujitsu. What on earth did Vennells and her dreadful colleague stand to gain from being deceptive, evasive and dishonest?? I just don't understand their motivation. As it is, they have destroyed themselves moving forward, done untold damage to the Post Office brand but most important of all, damaged and in some cases, literally destroyed the lives of large numbers of hard working, loyal Post Office employees. Of course, the ridiculous thing in all of this is the fact this Select Committee roasting took place exactly 9 years ago in 2015 and this begs the question - what's been happening since?? The evidence from this committee was damning to say the least and yet here we are, all these years later and it takes an ITV drama documentary to get something done about it. The situation is shameful . . . . .

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    Vennells is a christian. Religious criminals are the worst and most vindictive.

  • @ybliga

    @ybliga

    5 ай бұрын

    @@Illustraful 😂😂 As an atheist myself, I’m inclined to agree. Religion . . any religion. . . Underpins untold evils, bigotry and intolerance but I doubt we can pin this on her deluded god fetish.

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    @@ybliga Not on her specific fairytale beliefs but on the fact that religion instils arrogance, narcissism and judgemental sectarianism into its adherents. In her eyes, these were inferior, godless little people who were liars and deserved no fair hearing, and when she knew they were innocent, she covered it up to save her career. She is without conscience and remorse. Accepting a CBE when she knew how many lives she had destroyed just shows how sociopathic she is.

  • @pclemison

    @pclemison

    5 ай бұрын

    Follow the money. There was too much money coming in from this 'computer error'. The computer was always in error in their favour. The stupid thing is, if there was fraud, it would show on the computer that they were in the positive, not in the negative. The subpostmasters were literally borrowing from their own savings, friends, re-mortgaging their houses to pay the shortfall. This is not an example of someone stealing the money. When police investigate fraud, they look for evidence of the perpetrator having an excess / extra money/posessions etc that they would not normally have in such a position. When your sub-postmaster turns up in a Bughatti, then you can ask questions, otherwise, look the other way. How rich are the executives and former executives and managers of the post office now?@@Illustraful

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    @@pclemison Vennells is receiving her gold plated pension and lives in her luxury mansion. She is living off literal blood money. She and Angela van den Bogerd are responsible for multiple deaths. In a just society they'd be in prison for the rest of their lives. Instead Vennells was awarded with a CBE. I truly hope karma pays them both a visit.

  • @funkycains
    @funkycains5 ай бұрын

    Fair play. Straford Upon Avon MP doing his job, and well. Im not usually a fan, but credit where credit is due. Back in 2015!

  • @chrislong6350

    @chrislong6350

    5 ай бұрын

    easy task for him, he's a dreadful MP. His eagerness to be in the Tv drama pretty much somes him up

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    I don't like Zahawi at all either but he made more of an effort than Ed Davey.

  • @funkycains

    @funkycains

    5 ай бұрын

    @@chrislong6350 Im no fan of his, but in this case he asked the right questions

  • @chrislong6350

    @chrislong6350

    5 ай бұрын

    but someone who has had to return money back to the taxpayer should never been in this position questioning criminality

  • @GroundhogRoy

    @GroundhogRoy

    5 ай бұрын

    *Stratford

  • @JB_inks
    @JB_inks5 ай бұрын

    And they gave her a CBE!!! jesus wept

  • @tismeagen684
    @tismeagen6845 ай бұрын

    Neither woman came out of this meeting smelling of roses, even to a layman like myself it seems obvious that the post office hierarchy have been involved in a massive cover up.

  • @jamesbowskill362

    @jamesbowskill362

    5 ай бұрын

    YES I agree ! I await the appearance of that idiot A Crozier, he was the PO boss for years during the onset of Horizon, he has a case to answer.

  • @virtualunreality8326
    @virtualunreality83262 ай бұрын

    If Paula Vennells and Angela Van Den Bogerd were wearing pants they would have gone up in flames by now.

  • @ZIGSVIDS
    @ZIGSVIDS5 ай бұрын

    She cares about her own self and nothing else

  • @ali2ndmail
    @ali2ndmailАй бұрын

    Van der Bogerde comes across as an utter liar during this

  • @NPA1001

    @NPA1001

    Ай бұрын

    That’s because she is.

  • @sofiablack9081
    @sofiablack90815 ай бұрын

    NZ is my local MP (I did not vote for him). I watched this episode very late at night, tired I thought “that’s a very good look a like” till I googled and saw he had a real cameo 😂 tbf here he did a good job, just about the only time I’ve seen him do that in the 8 years I’ve been here

  • @Illustraful
    @Illustraful5 ай бұрын

    For those who wish to watch the full Select Committee, this is the link: www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/d05cb9e7-04d0-4d05-8a43-ddd74b1eecc0 The Vennells part begins at ten thirty three in the Parliament video.

  • @DJBaldPaul

    @DJBaldPaul

    5 ай бұрын

    Thank you

  • @Twistedsoul1988

    @Twistedsoul1988

    5 ай бұрын

    Thank you!!

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    @@Twistedsoul1988 I've also uploaded it to my channel.

  • @Twistedsoul1988

    @Twistedsoul1988

    5 ай бұрын

    @@Illustraful I already started watching but i will X2 it on your channel to the point i was at. Thank you again

  • @gcoupe1

    @gcoupe1

    5 ай бұрын

    Thank you for that. The really shameful thing is that the real event took place in February 2015 - and nothing came of it until the TV Drama managed to wake everyone up.

  • @andydudley1775
    @andydudley17755 ай бұрын

    pushing people to plead guilty knowing they was not .how many of post office bosses gone to jail yet.

  • @simonrowan2130
    @simonrowan21304 ай бұрын

    The most obvious question is why the lie about each individual post master being told they were the only one being prosecuted and the attempts to isolate them from each other. The vile Vennels has never been honest about anything clearly

  • @KnitzyKitzy
    @KnitzyKitzy5 ай бұрын

    These two women need to be in prison. I am appalled they have got away with this.

  • @suechandler8162
    @suechandler816226 күн бұрын

    Are they serios? Do they go under a rock when they join the PO executive team? Are they so closeted in their little world, thinking no one out there can see what they are doing or get to them in any way, that they believe they are immune from social jusice?

  • @kevinbultitude6472
    @kevinbultitude6472Ай бұрын

    She has the nerve to go to church!!

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    Ай бұрын

    Why does that surprise you? Religious criminals are always the worst.

  • @jesmarina

    @jesmarina

    Ай бұрын

    Isn't that where most morally questionable people go? It's the church for crying out loud - full of as many lies at the post office executive hallways.

  • @dannymerrittmusic
    @dannymerrittmusic4 күн бұрын

    I disagree with Zahawi politically most of the time but his humanity showed here and he played a blinder

  • @mikeh6942
    @mikeh69425 ай бұрын

    So look forward to hear that both of these women are going to prison

  • @washburn8049

    @washburn8049

    5 ай бұрын

    I wish.

  • @michaelmcginley7930

    @michaelmcginley7930

    5 ай бұрын

    No chance are those liars going to prison .vennels in a few years will get a knighthood

  • @SagaciousFrank

    @SagaciousFrank

    5 ай бұрын

    Wouldn't hold your breath. These people operate above the rules they enforce on the rest of us, or the laws which govern the country, for that matter. Look at Boeing in America, broke safety rules with the 737 Max which saw two passenger planes go down and kill everyone on board, and nobody has been charged or prosecuted.

  • @SagaciousFrank

    @SagaciousFrank

    5 ай бұрын

    Wouldn't hold your breath. These people operate above the rules they enforce on the rest of their own staff, nor appear to be subject to the laws which govern the rest of us, for that matter. Look at Boeing in America, broke safety rules with the 737 Max which saw two passenger planes go down and kill everyone on board, and nobody has been charged or prosecuted.

  • @purpleowl2075
    @purpleowl207529 күн бұрын

    Alan Bates smiling at the lies at 5:16

  • @NPA1001
    @NPA1001Ай бұрын

    Not incompetence… lying and criminality

  • @kevinbultitude6472
    @kevinbultitude6472Ай бұрын

    Both of them are liars!

  • @DarrenPhillips001
    @DarrenPhillips001Ай бұрын

    Evil personified. Abject liars. Unbelievable.

  • @darrell190967
    @darrell1909674 ай бұрын

    this whole scandal stinks of cover up

  • @Nikboyle
    @Nikboyle5 ай бұрын

    Just fucking corporate word spaghetti

  • @tracyhodgkins7516
    @tracyhodgkins75165 ай бұрын

    It isn’t just those two women at fault. There are lots of people at the Post Office and Fujitsu who have a lot to answer for. They’ve perverted the course of justice. That’s a criminal offence and someone needs to respond accordingly, but reducing it down to two women is wrong. You’ve only got to have seen one of the Post Office investigators at the Public Inquiry the other day, absolutely insisting that one of the men whose criminal conviction has been quashed by the Court of Appeal, was actually guilty. That’s a disgusting and delusional thing to say about a man who has been through the courts and judges have seen that his conviction was wrong.

  • @fatwalletboy2
    @fatwalletboy25 ай бұрын

    That last 2 mins or so is just psinful......angela and paula should just say ok we will provide all info ian needs.....end of but no they have to go away first and look into it....just buying time in my book......how vennells is so well regarded in the church is beyond ne......disgraceful.

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    Religious criminals always look out for their own.

  • @stuartlawson7977
    @stuartlawson7977Ай бұрын

    Should be in jail all of em

  • @buffplums
    @buffplums2 ай бұрын

    Unfucking believable? … just answer the fucking question… !!!!!!!!

  • @PandyBong

    @PandyBong

    2 ай бұрын

    Suprised that after the tenth time asking and still not getting an answer, Zahawi didn't just go "motherfucker..."

  • @dadangus100
    @dadangus1004 ай бұрын

    Paula Vennells caught out in more false history. misunderstanding ???

  • @LincolnTank-StillOnTheSprue
    @LincolnTank-StillOnTheSprueАй бұрын

    This is all about the reputation of the Post Office......................regardless of the rule of law, regardless of the truth and regardless of justice

  • @sepppileggi9206
    @sepppileggi92065 ай бұрын

    Being a chaplin will come in handy in prison

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    Chaplain. Though hopefully she'll end up walking like Chaplin. 😂

  • @PJMcInerney

    @PJMcInerney

    5 ай бұрын

    She won’t go to prison 😔

  • @dadangus100
    @dadangus1004 ай бұрын

    She is such a liar and shameless as she tries to evade an honest answer

  • @ProblematicBitch
    @ProblematicBitch5 ай бұрын

    Imagine how corrupt you have to be that you make zahawi look like the good guy !

  • @joerudnik9290
    @joerudnik9290Ай бұрын

    Why was Vennells not fully aware of everything before going into the hearing?? What kind of department head, is going to leave things like this to others; especially for a highly public and sensitive meeting???🤬😡🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @greenman1411

    @greenman1411

    Ай бұрын

    The more she knew, the worse her position would be. It helps if all she can say is: "I don't know" or "I can't remember".

  • @garychristie5009
    @garychristie5009Ай бұрын

    What's the old saying "Liar, liar pants on fire:

  • @badgermcspoon11
    @badgermcspoon115 ай бұрын

    They knew all them people were innocent and carried on ruining their lives for years and stealing their money. One stands up in church preaching when her decisions and cover up caused people to commit suicide. The two females in the video behaved so disgracefully they should be in prison. I’ll give the MPs involved some credit. What those two women did caused decent, innocent hard working people to kill themselves, be falsely imprisoned and go bankrupt.

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    Religious criminals tend to be the worst.

  • @philh8288

    @philh8288

    5 ай бұрын

    Totally agree!!, They're the biggest hypocrites

  • @badgermcspoon11

    @badgermcspoon11

    5 ай бұрын

    @@Illustraful agree

  • @PJMcInerney

    @PJMcInerney

    5 ай бұрын

    Sadly they got locked into rubbishing the SBMs to protect the system and then found it hard to extricate themselves from the pile of dung they had created

  • @PJMcInerney

    @PJMcInerney

    5 ай бұрын

    ‘SPMS’

  • @fasthracing
    @fasthracing5 ай бұрын

    Thanks for posting. Is that the sound of a couple of jail cell door's opening I can hear? To think that Vennells considers herself a Christian.

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    Religious criminals are always the worst.

  • @fasthracing

    @fasthracing

    5 ай бұрын

    Would appear so@@Illustraful

  • @jamesbowskill362

    @jamesbowskill362

    5 ай бұрын

    Its ALL part of her disguise.......People like her will do anything to reach the top, even insulting the CHURCH, if IT succeeds. Disgusting , deserves her forthcoming cell with its bread & water in Holloway.

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@jamesbowskill362No, she's a genuinely devout christian.

  • @buffplums
    @buffplums2 ай бұрын

    If say for example an employee sent a rude email to another post office worker and that other post office worker reported this issue to their line manager. HR would be informed and they would find any email sent by any employee at any time within minutes and the sender of the rude email would be hung out to dry by HR. So in this case, how is it that they CEO a doesn’t seem to know fuck all squared about serious allegations and request for information in her organisations emails? How is it these people can just answer to a public enquiry that they don’t know? That is no defence, any ordinary person saying they don’t know in response to a magistrates question will be deemed to have no defence and therefore guilty of the charge. It doesn’t make fucking sense.

  • @Illustraful

    @Illustraful

    2 ай бұрын

    They're liars.

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