So many people say “MMI is a waste of time and money” but despite the bad reviews and everything I applied and I LOVE it!! Everyone saying that no ones hiring techs obviously haven’t been looking good enough, so many dealers are looking for MMI graduates and paying them 3000+ just to move and work for them. You can make so many friends from all over the country, I strongly recommend looking into it

To the 21 y.o. guy in Nursing school with two years 'till graduation.....STAY in nursing school! The medical field pays great money, you'll always have a job and MMI later on can easily be financed by a nursing career. Imagine this......you're six years out of nursing school, you are an experienced R.N., you relocate to Orlando and easily find a part time, VERY well paying R.N. job and begin school at MMI......Good luck my friend.

@markhenry192

5 жыл бұрын

I would add, it looks so much better for future employers and schools/colleges if you have finished a course already, particularly a nursing course. Plus you can always return to nursing way down the line if you wish.

@jetdoctn

5 жыл бұрын

Agree with John here finish your nursing school get to work and then you can decide from there if it is really what you want to do. The biggest part of success is not the money you make(thats nice)but its going to work everyday loving what you do. Nothing is worse than getting up every day going to a job you hate.

@bonnevillebagger9147

5 жыл бұрын

excellent advice!

@marcushonahni6551

3 жыл бұрын

People aren’t motorcycles silly

@AmericanPatriot-cw9xe

2 жыл бұрын

@@jetdoctn exactly what I told my kids, my son is a lead mechanical engineer at his job overseeing 32 other engineers, he was designing n building things since out of diapers maybe before he is a natural at what he does, my daughter is a liscensed social worker n loves helping people. I would be just as proud if they worked in any skilled trades they had a passion in, or any other carreer I told them as kids to pick a job doing something u love and you will succeed, not about money, if you love what u do that stuff is priceless solid advice

Ok guys, as a former graduate of Arizona Automotive Institute and a lifelong tinkerer of all things auto and motorcycle. you should listen to this guy, sounds like solid advice to me!! Thank you Mad Max!!

After getting my Harley in April, my son started watching your videos and is now going to UTI in Mooresville, NC.. Love the videos..

I've had numerous friends who have gotten out of the military and used the post 911 GI bill to go and have received jobs in the motorcycle industry

At MMI our discount with Snap-On was 50%. Buy all you can

John "Maximus" Maxwell, maxing out the MMI info, maxing out the MotorCo tech tips, maxing out the KZread vids, all with a maximum wealth of knowledge. A maximum cool dude. We love what you do john............to the max!

Thanks for the videos John! In the process to start Mmi in Arizona this spring (2022) and quitting my 10 year career with the railroad to pursue my dream job. Love the channel!

It's good to see you again John. I took a minute off. I hope your successes have been great.

John as always another great informative video...without I doubt this will help those who r thinking about getting into wrenching on scoots..well done brother and respect👍👍👍

Great vid JM, really enjoyed the info and hearing about your back story and the wisdom you share, here's a dirty 👍🏾

You had me at where you said you had your GED before you went to MMI. If you were my son, I'd be really proud of you. If you were a personal friend, I'd really have a great respect for you. If you were my employee, I'd have great confidence in you. You're doing a great job. Keep it up!

@TheHarleyTech

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Paul!

Love this guy, love these videos -- keep being awesome, sir.

Great video John, I was always curious about all of those topics.... Thanks Man!!

Great videos John, you do a great job!

Great videos John. I watch all of them. Lets see more repairs.

Hey John,that was a way cool vlog,answered a lot of questions I was thinking about.I am way too old to go to school to learn to be a motorcycle mechanic,but I really enjoyed vlog,looking forward to your next vlog.😃👍

Went to Orlando MMI in 89 had a blast. Took early model an factory HD . Retied from work now . Ur shop is close enough I might look. U up . good job on Ur post...

I'm 44 years old and getting ready to move to Orlando next Summer. Already been in touch with MMI and should be starting the course next August. And just so you know, you cinched it for me. I'm gonna put in the extra time and get the Kawasaki certification as well. Love the channel and all the info you share. I live over in Auburn. Gonna have to ride over there one day and check your dealership out.

Great video John. My crossbones and I are patiently waiting for a springer maintenance video!

@TheHarleyTech

5 жыл бұрын

I got all caught up in the new bike, and still haven’t even messed with my springer! I should really get on that, huh?

I'm glad these videos are up when I take my lunch.

Thanks John, awesome video! Great info! Have a great week!

What ever you are making its not enough,I like the insight of your career 👍🏻😎

Hi John,....props to your editing skills,...Top Notch! First Harley was a `75 AMF 250. wow.In `76.

Hey John great video keep up the good work. Think you need some Bugslide on the windshield ....check it out

I feel just a bit famous being as you read out my name and question first! Thanks and I enjoyed the video. When are we gonna here more about your new bike, mods and so on?

@TheHarleyTech

5 жыл бұрын

hopefully coming up soon!!!

Another great video! Thanks

Good Advise John!!! One should always finish what you start.... "Winners never quit and quitters never win" !!!

good information, an education is worth money. you prove that when you deposit your check. What your education is in, that's your choice. Thanks for sharing. I know that your MMI education gives you confidence in your daily work.

Rad birthday bro! Geminis are the coolest guys. Not to mention the 4th of june is the like the best day as well. (I have the same b-day haha)

John, I got approximately 7yrs b4 I retire from my current job soo, lol hope you still throwing down videos bro!! 😁

Speaking of keeping Evos running. It would be awesome to see a video with some tips and tricks to keep the older carbed ones in good order. Love the videos, keep it up!!

@rykerlennox3168

2 жыл бұрын

i know im asking the wrong place but does anyone know a way to get back into an Instagram account? I was dumb forgot my password. I would love any assistance you can give me.

@wilderty3802

2 жыл бұрын

@Ryker Lennox Instablaster ;)

@rykerlennox3168

2 жыл бұрын

@Wilder Ty i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site on google and Im trying it out now. I see it takes a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

@rykerlennox3168

2 жыл бұрын

@Wilder Ty it worked and I finally got access to my account again. Im so happy:D Thanks so much you saved my account :D

@wilderty3802

2 жыл бұрын

@Ryker Lennox Glad I could help :D

Hi John, great video as always. I was wondering if you could do video segment on the pros and cons of tubeless vs tuned tires. I know my Heritage has a tube with the spokes wheels, and obviously can't use a plug kit to repair a flat on the side of the road. I was just wondering if there were any be benefits. Thanks!

Good job! John! would you like to know more about paintless dents repair? The ding King

Hey John, love the videos, thanks! Did you ever meet someone who lived in LA/wanted to work in LA on bikes?

Love the Vids John. Does Harley Davidson send their techs back to school for refresher courses and to learn new equipment?

That bball shot had me laughing so hard 😂😂

Hey John! I really like watching your vids. I am scheduled to start school at MMI and your videos really help. ( I hope your getting some cheese on the side for all that ) I was hoping you could give me some more info on the classes for the early models. Did you take them? Do you get many old bikes in the shop? BTW, my brother lives in Atlanta. Can I stop by and buy you lunch? Don't worry, I would call ahead. Thanks again for all the video work, it has helped me alot.

Graduated back in 2016, as a 20 year old kid. Now I’m going onto my last master classes up in Milwaukee next month. Never left the Orlando area after graduation. SHHD

Finish what you started- great advice

Forget the Japanese stuff. No fun, they don't break. Somehow I got subscribed to an interesting motorsickle newsletter wherein they provide industry advise. They keep shooting to get Harley to wed Ducati. Desmos are kewl and require a lot of maintenance...and they break sometimes too!

Hey man love your channel. I’ve been watching you and blockhead lately and I’ve been really thinking about going to mmi for the last 8 months and I was just wondering if the 42 weeks is enough time for one who may know absolutely nothing about bikes and a tiny bit about tools to learn and pass the the course? I live in Illinois so moving to Arizona and doing this would be huge change.

Good info John. Take care brother

They've gotten rid of Theory at the Phoenix campus, as well as quite a few program changes, including Harley. Example, no more testing on V-rod since it's no longer being produced

Hey John, question. I have to store my 2008 Dyna superglide for a year. It will be crated up and in a storage facility. My job takes me else where and I have no choice to store it. If I could I’d store it a harley dealer in Tampa or where my wife will be while I’m gone. So what should I do to the bike? Drain the fuel, engine oil completely? Disconnect/remove the battery? Drain the brake fluid? Any help would be greatly appreciated. You rock brother keep it up!

Bball skills? Lol. Right. Anyway, great video. I'm a UTI graduate from 2004 and a current Mercedes tech. This was a good Q&A. I was following along with most of your experiences.

My exposure to MMI (Orlando) is visiting a few times and paying for half the Harley course. Seems like that should get me some sort of MMI honorary status. Or one of those bumper stickers.. "My Son and My Money Went To MMI". It gave him a career though so.. no complaints.

I’m starting November 12th (had to push back because of a broken wrist) and I’m having trouble with finding housing myself.

"Well, I knew they had 2 wheels HA HAA!" I can fully agree with your statement about know-it-all's. The one thing I have noticed working with people from schools like wyotech and UTI is that they do tend to be overly confident and not ask questions. I've seen guys turned down from jobs because they ask too much pay with very little real world experience. Pro tip, just start working after school and take a little less to begin with. When your work shows your worth, most employers see that and will give you that better pay. If they dont, you have tangible job history and a tech degree to go somewhere that will treat you better.

I'm thinking of going to MMI in orlando. I was thinking Harley too. So many dealerships around me... Honda is the closest to me though.

As usual just good life advice.

Talking about MMI...it changed my life. I went to Phoenix when I 18 on my 1992 1200 Sporty. Went to MMI on Deer Valley Road Phoenix AZ...I ended up marrying my Harley Instuctors daughter(he taught late model which was the Evo at the time.) So yeah I can honestly say MMI changed my life. I got to see the first fuel injected Electra Glide in 1995. Yeah started out in Theory then went the 7 clinics where they wont let you get close to an H-D. I was youngest in my class. Phoenix was hot but awesome. Kickstand sunk thru the hot asphalt first summer i was there it hit 123. Never left Arizona went to Arrowhead H-D but got into sales. Made better money and no grease under my nails. All and all MMI was good. I do think alot of people enroll that have no mechanical aptitude and MMI is wasted on them. Some things cant be taught. Anyways I enjoy your vids and as a fellow MMI alumni . you are a MMI success story . did you have the blue shirts when you went?

You're unique and special...just like everyone else.

@TheHarleyTech

5 жыл бұрын

Haha

Does every Harley have a rpm sensor? I have a 2003 Roadking Classic with only the speedo. Can i just swap it for a combo dash with rpm and speedo.

I attend MMI in Phoenix right now and it is gorgeous riding here all year. The campus is great! I would recommend coming to Phoenix. It is not hard to get accepted, and if you don’t mind sharing an apartment CHS housing is good. A lot of people do not like it, but it’s cheap.

John get studded tires on a trike and head up here 🇨🇦420 is legal today ....we have a big fattty ready for you...

Hi John, love your videos. I went to MMI Orlando a few years ago. Took Honda and HD. For your US veteran viewers, the Post 9/11 bill is the way to go. 100% tuition paided along with monthly BAH and a stipend. For anyone looking for housing...you DON'T have to stay in Orlando. I lived about 35 mins away in Clermont. Easy on and off the turnpike to get to and from school. Other than I only wish I would have taken another elective or two... I have no regrets. Keep up the great videos.

@DeuceVideoHD

5 жыл бұрын

Voc Rehab is a great option for those that can get approved. VR will even buy your tools if you have a job lined up.

@reelthailand4471

5 жыл бұрын

That's the key word if you have a job once you graduate, as most will not find employment In this industry.

@Bredaxe

5 жыл бұрын

@@reelthailand4471 I hear the industry is next to impossible to get into anymore.

I go for Harley in November can’t wait not too exited about the debt ima get my self into lmfao but it’s worth it

Hello John, quick question, How do I get the baffles out of my exhaust on 07 road king?

Hey John, I have a 2016 Street Glide Special and I am going to put the stage IV tire shredder kit, and I have the S&S dual headers and CFR SLIP-ONS. my question is is the 259 cams the best to use or should I use something different, I have read some use Woods 777 and even a S&S cams. HELP please.....

I think I my going to apply to mmi my question is how can I become a mecanic for the dirt bike race team like Honda, Kawasaki, or any of this company? Thanks love your video..

John, what is the main difference between the different tech classifications? I’ve seen tech, expert, master tech, master of technology. Are these just different classes a tech can take to advance their career?

I graduated from Fort Scott Community College. Fort Scott kansas. Harley-Davidson program. I was employed as a technician at "The best Harley-Davidson dealership in Kansas City" (The pitch magazine) Gails Harley Davidson, Grandview Mo.

I'm 16 and started MMI Orlando July 9th

little late on this but one of my instructors gave me this advice on tools. buy a set of torque wrenches with the snap on voucher when you graduate. then go buy a "starter set" of tools and a box from craftsman or another mid grade brand. buy the higher grade tools like snap on as you need them in the field. there's no need to drop shit loads of money on tools straight out of school since most of us might already have a nice chunk of student loan debt lol. thats what i plan to do anyway

My girlfriend works at a dealership . The owner saw me fix my bike in the parking lot and asked her if I was a tech . She said "No , he is a mechanic ."

how expensive was the full course all together ? I am a veteran but i used up my GI bill on manufacturing technology school and want to learn something else

This is definitely something that interests me but not even a possibility due to MMI being in Orlando and Phoenix and living in NYS. Not easy to just pick up and go that far for schooling when your every day life depends on the current job paycheck. Very cool that this is out there though. If only I got into this stuff when I was trying to figure out what to do with my life. lmao.

@kevster249

5 жыл бұрын

fiveighthree I’m on the same boat you’re in

what do you think about the balancing beeds ??

Hi Mr. John Maxwell. I love your channel since I have learned a lot. Keeping good works! I’m a Harley rider in Macau, China.(Just near Hong Kong, if you haven't heard my city.) Since we don't have dealerships here before2018, I need to do works on my Harley by myself. At first, I was known nothing. But,I just keep searching from the Internet(that's how I find you) and contacting with Harley mechanics in Hong Kong Dealer shop when I got stuck on bike works(I also purchase OEM parts from them.). My friends who ride Harley also let me do service and customs work on their bikes. Since I am really into mechanic jobs, specially in Harley, I am thinking to apply for MMI in the USA. What do you think about a foreigner studying in MMI? Do you know peoples who is foreigner learning in MMI in you time there? Many thanks and best wishes. Regards. Joe Chan

I went to the school of KZread learned enough to do everything on my bike all but the bottom end........

@cb750k1974

5 жыл бұрын

Ha! Same with me......plumbing, electrical, you name it...I love youtube.

@tylerfj24

5 жыл бұрын

but the damn thing wont run and the lights flash when I go to start it and fire shoots out of the pipes. Ill go ask on facebook for any advice on how to start diagnosing these issues. hahah.. jk

@SILK334

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

i realize this is an older video, but for people just watching it and as a retired Harley dealer service manager if you are an MMI grad, expect your 1st year at a dealer to be a gopher, oil changes and tires, and a good service manager will have you on the computer a lot going thru your PHDs MMI is great, but it's NOT dealer life, you'll have to learn that with time on the job.

I would highly recommend any one considering MMI, that you read the yelp reviews first.

Ive got a 2015 roadglide 103 mt Rushmore !!! How many miles should i trade in or sale right now im getting ready to hit 20.000 miles !!!!

Great job John as always. just curios, where do you go to do PHI courses. As a tech in Canada we have to go to Fairview Alberta in the middle of winter. not fun at -40.

@TheHarleyTech

5 жыл бұрын

we can go to the Orlando or Phoenix MMI campuses, or to Milwaukee on Juneau Dr. Each location has different class offerings, though.

I'm an auto mechanic. Lead tech for.Mr tire here in NY would u say my skills would transfer well into being a motorcycle tech

Anyone ever figure out what it cost for the 42 wk harley tech course? I was told $40k & they just teach you how to read a manual, is that true?

Parabéns meu meu amigo sou um mecânico de motos aqui do Brasil

Ok... Let me put my 2 cents to this from my time in MMI in Orlando: I did 2 years there because I did Marine first and then the heavy duty Diesel program at the auto side. UTI has some programs that DO get you the "certified" mechanic title, but only on those that the school has a direct and way bigger partnership with certain brands... Like Harley, but this is NOT true for all of the UTI programs, in the case of Harley, the manufacturer itself is involved in what and what not gets teach about Harley at UTI and I'm willing to bet that the Harley instructors at UTI are Harley factory trained and the hole 9 yards... And that's how you can actually walk out of MMI with a Harley tech. Certificate...(and until 2016, that I was there, this was true for Mercedes Benz/mini and BMW, that I know, but the school should be able to tell you more if you ask the right questions).. BUT... UTI doesn't work like that for the Marine program or the Diesel... Even though the school does have some level of partnership with some of the Marine brands, it's not an involved enough partnership to get you certified , for many reasons I guess, like the Harley program is that... A Harley program... On the Marine side there is NOT a one brand thing... You have Yamahas, mercury, mercruisers, Volvo penta, honda, yanmars... And on and on, it would it take a 5 years or more to go deep enough on each brand to get you certified on it on all of them, (WHY DID I TOOK THOSE 2 THEN?) well, 1:I used my GI Bill (I did not had to get on debt or out of pocket) 2: Cuz in my case, if I walked out of that school knowing 10 more things that I didn't knew when I got in... Then I was happy with that, and I did, I learned more that 10. 3: The school is only as good for you has you make it, and it's no matter in what program you are looking at, the first step you need to take to get you in the door. NOW: my advice for.what it's worth: stay away from the school housing (the one you end with roommates, you will be better if you and those same possible roommates go together Southside the housing system of the school and rent a place all together... You will retreat it if you dont. Employment help from the school is bullshit, all they do is give u a print out with a list of places where to look at (you can do the exact same on internet) they don't set appointment for you, they don't talk on your behalf, they don't give you references, nada... None,... But they will take credit (in paper, at the time to say " x% of our students get placed at work while in school.. and bla bla bla") ... In the Marine case, only the manufacturer itself can "certified you" and only the dealers get seats to send their employees to manufacturer training. But again, having UTI in your resume will get you in the place you want better than someone else with no UTI ... UTI is that... Is the bases, the foundation you need by no means you are good enough to be cut loose at a shop right after UTI... You still have lots to learn.... But yes... It's a very expensive "first step" yeap.. I know, and without the GI Bill I probably won't do it ... Hell... The Diesel program alone was like 40k and the Marine in the high 20s if I remember correctly. But again, with the GI Bill, Did I learned? Yes I did...... And I won't be working where I'm today if I didn't had my UTI piece of paper (well, it also helped been student of the course several times, perfect attendance (attendance if the first one and employee will look at your records) and directors list couple of time... Not bragging... I'm military... If you are too, you understand what SQUARE AWAY means... Not fucking off at school or anything you do... Cuz it's a reflection of yourself.

@MrMann-gt1eh

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome comment man! I'm looking to pull the trigger on going to this school in July. Kind of soon considering I have a family but I still have 20 months of my GI Bill left and I've done nothing but switch my majors to crap I didn't love.

John Maxwell MMI Graduate and non professional at Chatahoochee Harley and no professional Life Coach good advice love your vids

@TheHarleyTech

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Scott!

Something people need to know about MMI (ORL). As with most things, you will get out of something what you're willing to put into it. The instructors are top notch. Most of them genuinely care, and they're all very competent. As for the admin/office side of the school... well, that side of the house is a dumpster fire. If the admin side can screw it up, they will and none of them will accept responsibility. They'll point fingers at someone else, and even force the student into taking refresher courses and LOA's after they screw up and create scheduling conflicts. I've seen it DOZENS of times (it happened to me as well). It can be even worse if you're a student using the GI Bill or Voc rehab, especially right now. The school is 100% pointing the finger at the VA with the problems right now, but the reality is both of them are complicit in the issues. I've never seen the issues with VA / GI Bill at other schools like I routinely see at MMI. People have to know it's a for profit school. Yes, the instructors care. Yes, the admin side will overbook classes and pack people in like sardines (which contributes to 90% of the problems you'll encounter.) Basically, it's a puppy mill for techs and they're getting ready to consolidate some of the courses, like Moto-3 and 4 into one course to push people through faster. Personally, for what students are paying I believe many aren't getting the education they deserve with the rate they're being pushed through. Anyways, I digress. TL;DR Instructors are top notch. Admin side blows. Apply yourself, ask questions, and you'll succeed. Hell, the way it's structured you can bomb most of the actual material but if you at least SHOW UP you'll get through. Don't be that guy though. Again, you get out of it what you invest into it. Be a sponge, talk to your instructors, interact. Pay freaking attention. Instructors talk. Your work ethic (or lack thereof) will be noticed.

Ok Jon I’ve been watching your videos I’m about to start mmi in March in Phoenix I’m so excited give me something I haven’t heard thst im gonna experience I’ve watched all your videos if you wanna know what I’ve heard

I’m a 21 aspiring motorcycle mechanic I’m from New York I don’t mind traveling to Arizona for learning or finding a job anywhere but I have little knowledge towards motorcycles .. will I have difficult finding a job. ?

This may help out some one to get by with a task that is not as easy to get. read the MM 3 times through without stopping. the MM is written at a 8th grade level . the if's and's & but's seam to turn on the light in your head. after that. sometimes . just a thing that may help. over.

MMI also stands for Military Modelling International (Magazine), just saying!

I went to MMI and enjoyed the experience until my grandfather passed away and they attendance failed me for days missed while going to his funeral after that I would have had to pay another set of enrollment fees so I lost any respect I had for them at that point. Also be aware about their housing service your better off to find your own apartment.

Just noticed your shield. Is it just dirty or did you scuff it up?

Post 911 GI Bill was approved for MMI in 2011. I graduated Feb 2012

Man I would love to go to MMI working on these cars is getting old....

Okay John I have a question! I’m trying to kick the cigarettes and, was wondering what kind of Vape you use and, what do you use for juice? Great Video today brother..!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

@TheHarleyTech

5 жыл бұрын

hit me up on on my fb page or IG page or email. It's much easier to send links that way!

@TheRooster1122

5 жыл бұрын

Will do John Thanks a Million Brother

That Marine won't have time to work on anything but C-130s and he'd be taking a HUGE step down in potential salary by switching to motorcycles. After he gets out he can go to MMI while working as a civilian on airliners making BIG$$$ and do bikes for fun.

Do this school got night class for someone who got a job but have interest in become a H-D mechanic?

To the Marine who asked about being able to use the GI Bill... Yes, post 9/11 GI Bill can be used for technical degrees, and certifications. I have been thinking about going to MMI as well. Shoot MMI an email and ask 'em about it.

The delivery driver story is basically the plot of Futurama. Lol

I think you would make a great instructor at mmi.

I'm a Houston UTI grad from '85-'86. If you are debating cars or motorcycles, go bikes all the way. You'll get tired of working on soccer mom vans with dead burritos and donuts ground into the carpet and crumbs on the seats pretty quick...and you'll never forget the smell...and it's real common:/

If you're working at a Harley dealer as a technician, is there 401k, pension, vacation time the accrues as seniority grows etc. Basically, are there benefits???

I am a retired AF jet mechanic, mainly did hydraulic and flight controls. Now at 56 i wish i would if went to the motorcycle tech class. I figured i was to old to go back to school

@hillie47

5 жыл бұрын

No you're not too old. You'll breeze through the electrical stuff and I think the rest of the stuff won't be too complicated either. Cost might be the biggest thing. Just don't be a dick afterwards when you're in a shop going "Well, back in the air force we always did..." 75 times a day. ;-)

@theramblingsoflarry9290

5 жыл бұрын

hillie47 LOL I love talking about the AF days. I served from 81-2004 loved it. I pastor a small church now. I love mechanical stuff, do a lot of my own motorcycle and car maintenance, have a lot of the standard tools. I would love to have a part time job working on bikes. I was thinking of getting a part time sales job, love meeting people and talking bikes

@theramblingsoflarry9290

5 жыл бұрын

hillie47 for you I will only do it 69 times a day.... but I know what you are talking about. Like John said best thing you can do after school is keep your mouth shut

@ARMASARMY

5 жыл бұрын

You can challenge any courses you think you can pass the test and that will save u money and time, also, in my classroom at MMI Orlando there was 2 guys one on it's late 50s and the other 60

@bobgil3464

5 жыл бұрын

You might be too old for motorcycles but maybe you can learn to work on lawnmowers. Just a thought.

As an MMI grad (Pheonix) I must say I learned things that most techs have no Idea about..Makes old school techs a little pissy I've found..

What was your favorite class at MMI?