So you adopt a 7 year old child who has come from a totally different country, who probably barely speaks English, who has likely been in care from some time, and you expect him to NOT HAVE SOME ISSUES?? Are you fucking kidding me? Most kids in care who are up for adoption at that age would have developed some problems. From Anxiety and social issues, to violent issues. This is why when adopting you should meet the child, learn about your relationship before adoption. She is horrid. She took on a child as a responsibility, and decided, as if he was a dog, that he was just a bit too difficult. Don't take on a responsibility like that if you haven't thought it through properly.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

Anna Graves It is not always child's early life is a stimulant problem behavior. Usually misbehavior adopters provokes problematic behavior of children. Conflicts of parents and children occur in blood families too. However foster child is not inclined to forgive mistakes adopters. Each thoughtless word and action on the part of the adoptive parent hurts hurts foster child. To educate foster children harder than raising his own children. The adopter must not be wrong, because the credibility of these children is very difficult to recover. These children need to learn to forgive and to trust people. These children need to learn to critically evaluate themselves and their actions. This long-term work. for the adoptive parents and the child. However, to achieve understanding and love from someone else's child from a happy family is almost impossible if forcibly remove this child from the family home. In Norway, there were several cases of withdrawal of children from Russian families for far-fetched reasons. Norwegian social services were trying to arrange a retired Russian children in adoptive families Norwegian. They did it regularly with children of different nationalities living in Norway. But Russian children do not get used to the adoptive parents. There have been several international scandals and shoots the children from foster families and even Norway. In Poland, there was even a private detective agency that specializes in helping Russian children and return them to their families. Children find these online detectives and escapes from Norway. Standard of living and expensive toys are not important for Russian children if social services are attempting to break the link with the children biological parents. The most quiet and obedient child becomes the devil incarnate and starts "aoennye" action against prospective adoptive parents and the social services. Usually Russia takes measures to return children Russian family. But the conflict becomes infinite if the child does not have Russian citizenship and forced to submit to social services in Norway. So do not blame the Russian system of Russian orphans and orphanages. Norway and Finland have already realized what could happen if you apply force against Russian children and try to destroy their world view. Nothing good comes of it, even if the child is an angel that exists and has a high intellect. Everything changed in one second if remove this child from the biological family home. Interview with Alexander Frolov. 15-year-old Alexander tells how he escaped from the foster family Norwegian and returned to Russia. This boy was not a single day was not in the Russian orphanage. Norwegian social services confiscated his family of Russian immigrants. There were many reasons for the opinion of the social services child protection. But these reasons were not valid according to the boy. He is now studying in Moscow University. Very promising boy. Now he is a student of the Moscow University. He hates Norway because Norway stole his little four-year-old brother. The younger brother was born in Norway and has not Russian citizenship. In addition brothers were arranged in different foster families. Alexander was not able to pick up and take away a brother from Norway. He did not know where he lives. He secretly went to Poland and called biological mother. He said, "Mom, now I'm free. Come to Poland. We should go back to Russia." Интервью Александра Фролова -You Tube yet he told the Norwegian adopters tried to feed him psychotropic pills. Allegedly, it is not normal if the child does not want to love adopters. This once again confirms that some adoptive parents are ready to ditch the mentality of a foster child for cash subsidies from the state.

@AG-dl6lr

9 жыл бұрын

It is not that hard to be a parent, yes it is more difficult as a foster carer or as an adoptive parent but anyone who goes into adoption should be aware that this is no cake walk. If you want to be a parent, be a parent. Look after them, accept them and get them help when they need it. All she has done is increased the likelihood that this kids issues will escalate. She shouldn't be allowed children if she doesn't want to deal with a human beings flaws.

@artmanrom

9 жыл бұрын

mihail able :) Dear Mihail, no offense, but at least in this case you are trolling around, that child wasn't forcibly taken away from hos biological family, because he had any, he was adopted from an orphanage. Trying to play as the philosopher, will not make you any wiser, not even famous ... you just sound like one of those Communist propagandist of sad remembrance ...

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

Paul Petru Alexandru Cazacliu I do not care what you think about me. Yes. This child was forcibly taken from a dysfunctional family, and arranged in an orphanage. The biological mother could not cope with motherhood. What does it change? I do not condone this woman but she's not a villain or an alcoholic. She did not cope with severe circumstances. It fail because it lacked the financial and moral support from the state. Sick elderly father -disabled and young child were a burden for a young woman. She wanted to live for himself and betrayed the child and the father. But this does not mean that the boy was subjected to violence in the family. Violence was not. It was neglect of parental duties. Therefore, the child was removed from the family. Forget about the Soviet propaganda but think about the simple human feelings. The grandfather of the child (he is a hero of the war against the Nazi fascists) wept when he learned what had happened to his grandson. He recorded a video appeal to the grandson and invited to come to the nursing home. He said that he is very much in love with him and wants to see. He said that he do not forget and dreamed of meeting him. That you can understand? Old man without leg, disabled could understand that the child feels rejected, but two 35 year-old healthy women (Irina Saveliev and T.Hansen) delivered this child, and deprived him of love and care. T.Hansen not only rejected this child but tried to demonize him and mixed with mud. She deliberately puts an end to the whole future life of the child. Let this child will die or to end up in the nuthouse. This is normal? This Soviet propaganda? You can think what you want. It is your right.

@artmanrom

9 жыл бұрын

mihail able :) Dear Mihail Able, here and now, the debate it's about what the adoptive parents did, to send back a child like a postal package, not what his biological mother, father or grandfather did or not did, none of them send this child in that plane, the adoptive parents did. For that reason I've called you as Communist propagandist, because they were masters in dissolving the people's focus, by adding collateral informations about others problems, that yes, were linked, in a way or another, with that issue, but without any direct relevance. Have a nice day, Dear Mihail Able.

you don't send a little boy on an airplane by himself, full stop.

@liztewliztew

8 жыл бұрын

+Terri Knoll I bet the adoptive mother didn't want to go with her son as she must have known/suspected that she would have been pressured to change her mind and to take him back to America with her. I"m not saying I agree with her, but it's harder to be pressured into doing something when you are far away. This is sad.

@rozenebryant3099

8 жыл бұрын

dhg

@shiya1444

8 жыл бұрын

exactly

@samanthafreedom7997

8 жыл бұрын

the world's not gone soft. it's called horrible parenting. I would never send my child alone on a plane. your screws must be loose.

@margohr4359

8 жыл бұрын

Liz Tew The child was a psycho and clearly the Russian authorities lied to get rid of it - the American adoptive mother was totally correct in returning this child as she needs to consider the safety of her family first THE PSYCHO CHILD WAS GOING TO BURN THE HOUSE DOWN!

This is such a sad story for this child. How will he ever trust anyone or believe he is loved? I adopted my youngest child and he has been with us since he was 3 weeks old. My love for him is in no way different from my 2 children that I gave birth too. I am blessed with 3 healthy children. If any of my children had a mental illness I know that I would seek health care to the best of my ability to help them. I had no way of knowing when any of them came into my life if they would have health issues. I never thought to ask for a guarantee on any of them. They are mine and no matter what happens I will be their mother. As for sending this child back alone, I wouldn't put anyone's child on a plane alone! I hope he is placed with a loving family and feels safe. This mother shouldn't be allowed to keep any child, biological or adopted!

@bellenicht9874

8 жыл бұрын

+Lisa Cook-Stankard You're so thoughtful

@davidveilleux944

8 жыл бұрын

+Lisa Cook-Stankard So because this woman doesn't want to have her family murdered by an unrelated psychopath she should have her children taken away? That is a moronic statement driven by emotion, not logic. It's easy for you to sit on your high horse and judge her from a distance. It's an entirely different ballgame when your family is being terrorized on a daily basis. That is not what she signed up for.

@Doriesep6622

8 жыл бұрын

+DAVID veilleux They hid the child's violence from her. Let's see that guy adopt the child into his family. It is hard to live with a psycho. The Russians need to be more honest during the adoption process.

@afaf233

8 жыл бұрын

+Lisa Cook-Stankard ....i was once invited to a thanksgiving dinner by an american couple....well to do....they had adopted 2 kids...a boy of 12 and a girl of 8....they had them since they were toddlers...in my presence i could see that the women treated the boy very nice but the girl she looked down apon and was detested....when the dinner was over the girl came up to me and thanked me for the presents and said that she loved me...the poor girl felt like she was an outcast by the adopting mother....when the dinner was over i walked out and went home without saying thank you....when i was asked by my freind whop had invited me to this dinner why i behaved so badly i told her what i felt....that it was extrely cruel to see the little girl put down like that.......when you adopt kids you should not have favorites and make the sibblings feel bad......i think i got my message across....

@heiketheangel546

8 жыл бұрын

+DAVID veilleux a kid is not a car or a washing machine you just give back if it is not working! I am convinced she had not enough love and patience for this kid and she had no idea what it means to be a mother, whether you gave birth nor you adopted a child! A mother never gives up on her kid, she searches a way and finds one because she could not imagine to be separated from her child! A child is no puppy or something you get out of the closet when you want to show it! For me, she was too lazy and not really interrested. She wanted a toy and when she recognized the toy is not so easy to handle, she sent it back and had not even the balls to accompany him!

this is so sad. once the child is in your care he is your responsibility. you can't just give him back. he's a human being

@auntlori46

7 жыл бұрын

Alexis Corrente

@jackied6839

7 жыл бұрын

Alexis Corrente

@criticalpump1786

7 жыл бұрын

what should she have done then? a kid threatening to burn the house down with your other family members in it? yeah keep him

@SophieJackson1993

7 жыл бұрын

Critical Pump What any parent does with any troubled child - seek help for that child. She decided to adopt it, she knew the risks of having an older adopted child, this is a well known issue that a lot of families deal with, she would've already run that possibility through her head. You can't just abandon a child on a plane and send it to Russia. There would've been a much better way to handle all of this.

@captdaniel832

7 жыл бұрын

You can most certainly give them away, it's a s***** thing to do but even if it's your own child you can just turn them over to the State or County and they'll take them. If you're that unfit of a parent then that's probably what's best for the kid.

40 years later the kid becomes the dictator of Russia.

@mihailable6695

7 жыл бұрын

hardly )))

@brianbrian3971

5 жыл бұрын

14 years later he travels to usa to her house and burns it down

@swiftycline2152

4 жыл бұрын

Well the Russian kid deserves to be sent to back to Russia because he's a stupid volient hard - headed brat he doesn't to be loved at all

@mihailable6695

4 жыл бұрын

@@swiftycline2152 He is loved in Russia. This is enough for a Russian boy. In addition, Russians are now convinced that American smiles and American love are fakes. Americans love only themselves and money. Can an individualistic egoist love someone other than himself? If Russia needed American love ...... relations between the US and Russia would be different. But Russians see from the USA only lies and duplicity, therefore they easily break off relations with the USA. Americans do not even know how to be friends. How can they love? They can pretend to be beneficial and comfortable. Russians do not know how to pretend (they know how but do not want to). Therefore, Russians smile when they have fun and cry when they are sad. The only way :)

@kingclassified8503

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

Many children from Russia that grew up in orphanages have 'attachment disorders', which are basically considered basically untreatable by psychologists. If a child is DANGEROUS and a psychopath, you do NOT keep them in your home. She could have had him put in a mental institution as a danger to others. I knew a 10 year old girl who set a bunny on fire at age 9 and was adopted, and her family put her in a permanent mental institution and she was never going to get better, Frankly, I really don't blame her. I feel TERRIBLE for this child, but his problems are probably not treatable. The problems were CAUSED by the neglect he experienced in the orphanage.

@umbrellaBuddha

10 жыл бұрын

its not untreatable just because no one knows what to do, and are too conceded to just say "I give up" so they just say "untreatable" and try to forget their failure.. people are people, they are all different. Every kid is different, different everything. there is no manual to solve it for you, its a problem with no particular answer but an infinite amount of ways of solving.. and that makes it too uncomfortable for some to even try unfortunately. But for fucks sake don't just call another human being broken and throw them away like a prisoner because of it and pretend that's not messed up..

@RavynSkye617

10 жыл бұрын

umbrellaBuddha - Psychopathy and attachment disorders are usually the caused by actual physical problems with the brain's development. It's like how if you're deaf, the part of your brain that processes sound will not work right, if it's not fixed by the time you're about four years old, because it doesn't even develop. The same thing happens in children with attachment disorders. Their brain does not develop properly on a physical level, that is beyond our capacity to treat. Psychopathy can be cause by either brain damage to certain parts of the frontal lobe, or you can be born with an irregularity there, but either way, brain scans have been shown to be able to predict psychopathy with way beyond chance accuracy. This is not only a psychological problem, but an actual physical problem with the structures in the brain that deal with empathy and moral reasoning.

@McCouchsky

10 жыл бұрын

RavynSkye1 no, hey are usually developed during the child's life externally. don't pretend you are a psychiatrist unless you want people to laugh at you

@RavynSkye617

10 жыл бұрын

Peter Michalski - You're obviously an idiot with a big case of DID NOT DO THE RESEARCH. Babies develop attachment from birth to about age 18 months. If they do NOT attach at that time, the window has been lost and the part of the brain dealing with empathy, which babies learn from imitating facial expressions of their mothers, and having their own needs met by a single, consistent caregiver, will be forever damaged. I'm a linguist, with a degree in psycholinguistics, actually... The same is true of language. If you don't learn a language before age 7, you will have EXTREME difficulty in learning even a first language, and if you don't learn a language before age 12, you will NEVER learn one, because the linguistics processing center of your brain is permanently damaged. There are certain 'windows' in an infant's development, for the brain to learn what it needs to, to be a fully healthy human being. If you miss those windows, some of which close as early as 8 months of age, THEY ARE GONE FOREVER. God you're a fucking dumbass douchebag. JUST GOOGLE UP 'ATTACHMENT DISORDERS', you fucking moron. You'll see everything I've said here is true.

@RavynSkye617

10 жыл бұрын

Peter Michalski - And before you misunderstand about learning languages and the ages... I'm talking about a situation of never learning even a first language. If you don't learn a first language, as in the case of feral children, who are rare, but have happened (look up Genie and feral child and language development research), ANY language, by age 12, you will never learn one. If you already have learned a first language, and have a healthy language processing center, then it is possible to learn a SECOND language, with enough practice, at any point in your life... But you need that FOUNDATION of a first language to happen in early childhoood. Children start learning language sounds of their first language at about 4 months... they babble to themselves and others for practice. This is a reflex action, because even DEAF babies do it... until at 8 months, if a baby is Deaf, they just STOP babbling, because there is no input into the language center so the practice isn't working... This is why if you have a Deaf baby or child, it is SO important to let them learn signed language at an early age. They need SOME language in order to be able to learn English later on.

How could this adoption ever have been allowed? This boy lived with his alcoholic mother in Russia until he was six years old. He was removed from her care because the russian authorities deemed her an unfit parent. He would most probably have suffered years of neglect and abuse in his birth family and have already been severely traumatised by his past and his separation from his mother. Who decided that it was a good idea to send this damaged and vulnerable young boy to another country where he could not speak the language and would not understand the culture? No wonder he was aggressive. Parenting traumatised adopted children is not normal parenting. These children can be severely damaged and have huge difficulties making attachments with their adopted parents, some may never do so.They can have difficulty with or an absence of empathy for others which causes them to behave in extremely violent and antisocial ways. Adoptive parents need ongoing support to help them understand their adopted child, make an attached relationship with them and help them overcome their child's (sometimes immense) difficulties. Without this support, up to a third of adoptions fail, another third are in substantial difficulty and only one third of adoptions are regarded as happy by the adoptive parents (from a UK study). My heart goes out to this boy and his adoptive mother. A truely horrific experience for both of them. From a mother of two adopted children.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

UK adopt children less than any country in Western Europe. But it was always complaining about the UK education difficulties foster children. Namely the United Kingdom and the United States massively used for the diagnosis of RAD foster children. In all other countries .... it's a rare diagnosis and even isklyuzivny. Thus, Italy and the United States have adopted the same number of Russian orphans. In Italy it is rare to find a Russian child diagnosed with RAD. In the US, almost all Russian adoptive children have a "stigma" RAD. Of course it is difficult to educate foster children .... but you can not argue that these children do not know how to love and have no conscience. Even the rare diagnosis of RAD does not mean that the child is without conscience, without compassion, without the ability to love. I think if the "doctor" put such a diagnosis and adoptive agreed with this diagnosis ...... so it is necessary to disqualify the doctor and deprive of parental rights adopter. Such an adoptive parent can not truly love, protect and educate this child. RAD means that the child has difficulty in establishing a strong connection with people. RAD means that the child has difficulties in socialization. But this rare -diagnosis does not mean that the child is a bastard and scum (without shame, without conscience, without compassion, without the ability to love and compassion). If the adopter misinterpreted diagnosed RAD ...... the adopter can not learn to love this child, because this will always be suspect adoptive child manipulative. ALWAYS. It does not matter baby cries or laughs. Hugs or repels. Adoptive parent will always be suspect and look for signs of manipulation of consciousness and behavior. Even if the baby will cry for a long time and his eyes swollen with tears ..... this kid has no chance to get sympathy because even his charming angelic image does not melt the heart of the adopter. Because the adopter was trained in Attachments therapists. Attachments Therapists taught him to withstand the vagaries of children and not to succumb to child charm. Will be very good if Attachments therapy will be banned. This pseudo-scientific theory has ruined a lot of foster children. Although Nancy Thomas (Attachments therapist) argues that saved from prison and the gallows thousands of children ...... it is impossible to verify. Only God knows who will be the child. But we know the exact number of children who died in the Attachments therapy. In addition, we know that the country adopts many orphans from other countries but not applying Attachments therapy have less crime than in the US. So the nested therapy is not helping to reduce crime. Attachments therapists rasspostronyayut lie. They do not teach children to love and affection. They teach the adoptive parents to suppress and subjugate foster children. This boy is 5 years living in their biological family. Mother started drinking and partying in the last 2 years of cohabitation of the family. Grandpa brought the boy when the mother ceased to care for her son. Then grandfather went to the nursing home and grandson went to the orphanage. In this family there was sexual and physical violence. 82-year-old grandfather was very fond of his grandson and took care of the grandchildren. Mother did not use violence but she was tired and did not want to take care of the old man and young son. She betrayed once 2 people (his own father and a son). She escaped from a family with a lover. This child was injured. But it was just another betrayal. Grandfather never stopped loving grandson and never stopped writing letters to him in an orphanage. The neighbors came to visit this child in the orphanage. This boy was not fierce and aggressive. T.Hansen humiliated and trampled in the mud of the child. She showed how hypocritical, false and heartless people can be. She re-injured this child and threw it. She did not understand what she did because she read books Attachments therapists. She is confident that this boy is not a child. This woman is poisoned by false theories Attachments therapy. Perhaps she will love the mother of the child .... but she can not love foster children. Attachments therapy replaces love to drill and dog taming, because initially Attachments therapy considers the orphans as if they were mad dogs but no children/

@lizregan5540

9 жыл бұрын

Hello Mihail I do not recognise your description of adoption parenting, RAD and attachment therapy. It does not resonate with my experience at all. I have two adopted children who do not have any diagnosis but have cleary been damaged by their past experiences. This has made parenting them challenging and difficult at times, especially in the early stages. Attachment parenting has helped us as a family, in a huge way - it has helped us understand our children and develop loving relationships with them and has probably been a major factor in enabling us to be happy togther and carry on together as a family.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

Hello liz regan I wanted to write that suspicions were unnecessary. This boy was not subjected to sexual and physical violence in Russia but he experienced betrayal and irresponsible attitude of his mother. T.Hansen would suspect this child because she did not read the theory of embedding therapy and look American horror films. This information is prevented to establish a connection between the child and the adoptive mother. The boy realized that the woman does not love him, watching him and trusts him. He was not used to such a relation. Relations were destroyed. But the worst thing that T.Hansen tried mentally to finish this baby. She humiliated him and mixed with mud. Even if it is not handled ..... she should not try to morally destroy this child. I wanted to write it. and of course you're right. She had been his life in danger. This child could get into trouble and did not get to minesterstva education in Russia.

@lizregan5540

9 жыл бұрын

mihail able Mihail, you seem to have a much greater knowledge of this case than I do. I do not know details of the birth family or T. Hansen's relationship with the boy. I only know about my experiences of being an adoptive parent. My love for my children is strong and I can be passionate when talking about adoption issues, which I am sure you understand.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

liz regan I'm not trying to doubt your love for children. I see that many Americans are confused in certain rare diagnosis of RAD and brand that diagnosis all foster children indiscriminately. They want a quick love and gratitude from the child. If a kid does not accept their love or the child does not want to love adopters .... supposedly an illness (mental disorder). But ... Even astronauts are tested for compatibility ..... but the children have to fall in love with the first comer adopter? This is absurd. "Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD) RAD is a recognized diagnosis which is defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV-Tr) of the American Psychiatric Association (it is essentially unchanged in the DSM-V). RAD is considered an "uncommon" disorder (code 313.89) which follows children's experiences of extreme neglect or abuse and which is expressed in one of two ways in while children react to extreme neglect and / or abuse in one of two ways: Markedly disturbed and developmentally inappropriate social relatedness in most contexts, as evidenced by either of two behaviors: Persistent failure to initiate or respond in a developmentally appropriate fashion to most social interactions, as manifest by excessively inhibited, hypervigilant, or highly ambivalent and contradictory responses ... Diffuse attachments as manifest by indiscriminate sociability with marked inability to exhibit appropriate selective attachments (eg, excessive familiarity with relative strangers). " Nothing mystical and terrible in this diagnosis does not exist. The diagnosis is rare. But even if the baby is sick .... this does not mean that he is a potential sadist or a murderer. This diagnosis means that the adoptive parents must show the utmost patience, care and love. They should teach the child to create long-term relationships with people. They should teach children mutual respect, friendship and love. In other words, children with RAD have experienced extreme social and emotional conditions and have become either very withdrawn and clingy or more friendly with unfamiliar people than we would expect of children their age. While there is no validated therapy specifically for RAD, many experts recommend gentle, patient, consistent and responsive parenting for these children, as for all children. This disorder can be diagnosed while the child is five years of age or younger; as children get older, their behavior matures and changes in ways that make attachment problems much less evident. I do not understand why it is still used in the United States questionable unrecognized world of psychiatry tests for RAD / Superficially engaging and charming Lack of eye contact on parent's terms Eye contact when lying or angry Empty-eyed A darkness behind the eyes when raging Good behavior [interpreted as the child "stalking his prey"] Views relationships as threatening, or not worth the effort May be a workaholic, as a way of avoiding relationships Not affectionate on parent's terms Resists comforting Resists being held Destructive to self, others, and material things Accident prone Cruelty to animals Cruelty to young children Lying about the obvious or "crazy lying" Stealing and so on. I will not list all this nonsense. Enough that the world psychiatry denies these unscientific tests.

Solution: Try Foster care first.......get to know the child first....then adoption may be a possibility.

@mihailable6695

8 жыл бұрын

In Russia, the passage is closest to American adoptive parents.

@Rose-wo8bh

8 жыл бұрын

ok.

@alex_1984_is_here

3 жыл бұрын

Solution was Putin banned all US adoptions

Sending a little child all by himself on a jet back to Russia is insane, and cold hearted. She should be jailed for that. If anything, she should have taken him back herself. But more than that she should have put him in the care of professionals here in the states even if it meant he would have to be cared for in an institute for the rest of his life. This little boy was her responsibility.

@jacobcalloway4923

10 жыл бұрын

I know dude, the fucking people in the world is absolutely terrible.

@savadem

10 жыл бұрын

That's child abuse, plain and simple. Of the worst kind. She definitely deserves to be jailed. And the US should get that kid back.

@Peggycass

10 жыл бұрын

savadem Well, it's a Different World today. kids take Guns to School, and Kill. They have been known to Kill adults in Schools--Teachers, Principals. What about Adult Abuse? Kids today, many of them , Are The Abusers. it's not like in the 50s. You were not in that Woman's shoes.People Should Not say that they would Never do what she did. She valued her Life. She didn't want herself or her Family to Die.

@pillblooms

10 жыл бұрын

Are we aware of the reparations she tried? To send this child back meant she had to accept her own failures. Most parents adopt with every good intention, we simply don't know enough to judge.

@CaptainZuluGamma

9 жыл бұрын

xxGodx how do we know she was not an abusive person evidence clearly suggests she was "mentally unstable" and dont metally unstable people get eletric chair or gas chamber, the kid did not know he is not supposed to kill bad people with fire, he is supposed to kill her with poison gas that is legal or Elecricute her to death which is legal, he is too young to know we dont BURN witches any more, not his fault

This is sad. Children who come from a hard past, have issues. I had struggles too. I told my parents i hated them. I was violent. I was unruly. I was hurting...He just needed love and patience. When you adopt a child you should already be prepared to take on a broken person. This poor child.... he is hurting. The threats, the acting out, is from pain. Adjustment to receiving love takes a lifetime. This woman didn't love him. You don't abandon your child. Blood or not, a child isnt a pet, you never give up on them, you're supposed to love them unconditionally. Adopted children all have struggles dealing with abandonment. This woman didn't deserve him, she hurt him even more unfortunately.

@NicoleGuarnera

9 жыл бұрын

Vanessa Leighton who the hell do you think you are? My parents were abusive and neglective. Think before you talk

@NicoleGuarnera

9 жыл бұрын

Vanessa Leighton I never said was adopted. I lived in a abusive home. I was anything but spoiled. I dont need to get into details to say I was a hurting child who acted out because of it. this kid was hurting still, so he took it out on his new parents. It takes time to heal, it doesnt happen within a year. It takes a lifetime.

@NicoleGuarnera

9 жыл бұрын

Vanessa Leighton because it is not easy to accept love once you get it, if you've never had it. Because you still hurt. It doesn't happen within a years time. I still struggle to accept love, but it took a long time not to be angry at it. Adopting a child is hard for most people, it takes convincing to the child that you won't abandon him or her. That you truly love them, that you won't hurt them. They are so hurt already, and confused. Its a very long winded topic to get into, but believe me, this child has a long way to go, and it's going to take a lot of patience and dedication to help heal him.

@hapegrndma

9 жыл бұрын

I take it you think that love cures all. it just does not always produce the fix you suggest.If your house was burning I think you would see that sometimes these children are damaged beyond what normal parents can mentor.

@NicoleGuarnera

9 жыл бұрын

cheryl robinson i agree with you, there are people that take a long time to to heal, and some never do. That depends on the person, when they become adults and decide to rise above the hurt, or to let it defeat them. However, when you become a parent, whether it is adoption or through birth, you take on that risk. This is something I wish every parent knew. That a child is for better or for worse. She was not prepared for that, unfortunately. It saddens me, i wish more people were prepared for parenthood as it being an unpredictable responsibility and commitment.

I myself am adopted from Russia. I have a sister (by adoption no relation) and she is also from Russia. I now live in America. I'm 16 yada yada and completely Americanized. Anyway, my sister who is now 18, has cost my parents over $10,000 from mental hospitals etc. She is insubordinate, sweats, and has assaulted them in the past. They still love her and she still loves with us even though she is 18, and my adoptive parents legally could have kicked her out. She is very stressful but they have given her countless resources and still have custody of her. It's bullshit, she could've gone to social services in America etc so there are NO excuses. This story makes me sick. This little boy may have come from an orphange where there was abuse, neglect etc. He needs love and therapy. You never turn your back on a child. NEVER. She fucked him up mentally for life

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

Sarah Nicole That's right ...... it is necessary to protect those whom you love. but you should know. Many countries adopt Russian children. In Western Europe, many well-known politicians have adopted Russian children. The astronauts, famous athletes, musicians, filmmakers adopt Russian children ....... Problems arise only Russian children in the United States. In other countries, successfully raising adoptive children from Russia. No need to spend a lot of money on treatment if you know how to interact properly with children. For example astronaut Thomas P. Stafford successfully raised two Russian son. The psychiatric hospital is a bad outcome. So the treatment was wrong. If you write about the abuse at the orphanage .... you should tell any abuse in your children's home as you remember. Tell us what you remember .... I can distinguish lies from truth. Your sister will tell where she had been abuse. in a children's home or during improper treatment in United States. German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder Family adopted in Russia two children. The family wanted to adopt sick children. They wanted to help these children. The children received good treatment and education in Germany. The family never denied Russian social services in dealing with these children. Teenager, adopted by American parents, returned to Russia alone. The documents had only a passport. Now a special commission is trying to figure out how a minor could fly out of the United States unaccompanied. Social services gave Ivan a dorm room and was offered the job. Russian American Thomas Ivan Nieland arrived in Russia without a US passport. In 17 years, the decision of the court of Iowa took him away from the receiving American family and placed in a social shelter. In October last year, Ivan arrived in Russia. Why are released from minors? Why Ivan only passport of the Russian Federation? Why adoptive purchased plane tickets for his son only one way? Adopters say that Ivan has lost US passport. Allegedly, they sent him to Russia to stay for 3 months. The Americans do not even think that the 19-year-old man is able to speak and tell a different version of events. What do they expect? That guy would go to Russia, and disappear in the vast steppes and taiga? Where is the logic? The guy barely speaks Russian. He has not been studied in a Russian school. He can not even fill the mail form. How is he going to live in Russia? His English is anyone in Russia is not needed if there is no basic literacy of the Russian language. It must pass for the entire high school course. In the army to take him? He pampered in the United States. He can not be a Russian soldier. file:///C:/Users/misha/Desktop/y_76f59f22.jpg He dies on the first roll of the march. And there should not only run and climb mountains, crawling on the sand and wade through the swamp, to be able to swim and dive. Boy grew up in an orphanage can serve in the Russian army. The guy who grew up in the United States can only serve in the US Army. Thus social services regained his American passport and forced adopters pay him a ticket to the United States. Let graduated from high school in the US and receive a diploma. Then we will think where and how it will work in Russia. This is possible, and the salary will be high if there is at least a high school education. Of course Russia will now follow its fate in the United States. He extended Russian citizenship. He is now an adult citizen of Russia. But in the US it is still a minor 19-year-old teenager. Thus, adoptive parents and Human Services should give him the opportunity to finish school. More 3 years, they are obliged to take care of him. Do not improvise. It is necessary to carry out the law. This guy is an American citizen. He is a US citizen and a citizen of Russia.

@Melissa0774

8 жыл бұрын

+Sarah Nicole just out of curiosity, how old were you when you came to America?

@Skittlesnjack

8 жыл бұрын

Melissa0774 I was about a year and a half old

@mihailable6695

8 жыл бұрын

Sarah Nicole this is a very young age to remember Russia. You do not have the opportunity to compare. Your sister was older. She remembers more than you. So your parents disliked her. You gordishsya so you Americanized. She would be proud that it is a Russian woman. It usually does not like the US foster families. You can try to find an adequate infolrmatsiyu Russia. If you rasskazhash your parents about it ..... you will see how they will be unhappy and angry. Do exeperimental. Tell them that Russia is the largest country in the world. Tell them that the Russian culture (literature, music, painting, ballet ....) are the greatest in the world. You can tell them that Michael Bloomberg, mayor of New York, founder of Bloomberg's business empire is a descendant of Russian immigrants. Pamela Anderson, a Canadian-American actress and sex symbol. Anderson has Russian ancestry from her mother and grandfather. David Copperfield, the magician and magician, his grandfather was a Jewish immigrant from Russia. Leonardo DiCaprio, the actor, his grandparents were Russian immigrants from Russia. Kirk's father, and the son of Michael Douglas, actors, Kirk was born in Russia to Jewish parents. Robert John Downey Jr., actor. His paternal grandfather is a Russian citizen and came from Russia. Harrison Ford, the actor. His mother was Russian. Edward Furlong, actor. His father is of Russian origin. Jon Bon Jovi, musician, is the mother part of Russian origin. Milla Jovovich, the actress is the daughter of Russian actress. Lenny Kravitz is an American singer. His father was a native of Russian-Ukrainian family. Sean Penn, the actor, his grandfather was a Jewish immigrant from Russia. Natalie Portman, the actress, her mother partly Jewish-Russian origin. Wentworth Miller, actor, son of a woman partially Russian origin. Nicole Scherzinger, American singer, her mother is also a part of Russian roots. Liv Tyler, actress part of Russian origin. And: Jim Talent, a former US senator, grandfather was a Jewish immigrant from Russia. It is a distinguished research fellow at Heritage Foundation Loren Leman, former vice-governor of Alaska, one of his ancestors was a Russian settlers. Sidney Sheldon, American author best-selling Russian roots from his grandfather ..... I can not list all .... but I chose those whom you may know. If you will be interested ... I know that the Russian origin had great players, great Producer, Nobel Prize winners, and so on .... who found a second home in the United States. You can try to learn more about Russia. I think you will be surprised when you learn that Russia is one of the few countries which supported the North in the Civil War of 1861-1865. Britain and France were on the southern side, and trying to destroy the integrity of the government of the United States, prepared an armed intervention. Russia supported the government of Abraham Lincoln and opposed the plans of London and Paris. "For us, no North or South, but there is the Federal Union, the destruction of which we would observe with regret - wrote Vice-Chancellor AM Gorchakov.- We recognize in the United States only the government that is in Washington." These were not just words. Russia was formed two squadrons: Atlantic and Pacific. The structure of the Atlantic Squadron (s play a key role) includes three fregata- "Alexander Nevsky", "Relight" and "Oslabya" two corvettes - "Varyag", "Hero" and the clipper "Almaz". Pacific squadron consists of four corvettes - "Kalevala", "Hercules," "Rynda", "Novik" and the two clipper - "Abrek" and "Gaydamak." The planned operation had objectives to demonstrate support for the Government of Lincoln in his fight with the rebel southern states . Well ..... this two squadron did not kill .... but sailed along the coast and scared opponents of Lincoln. After the victory of the North. American squadron .... made a return visit to the friendly shores of Russia. It was a very warm meeting of US and Russian sailors. This is a small episode in the history of Russia and the United States. But you can learn more if you want. You have every reason to be proud of your homeland. Russia is a very strong country. The Russians are strong people. In Russian history, there was almost no injuries but had a lot of victories. List all victory is impossible. The most significant military victory: defeat of Napoleon's army in Russia and the winning move to Europe to Paris (1812). The victory over Nazi Germany in 1945. It was a joint victory of Russia (Soviet), the United States and England. One of the first victories Russians over the Mongol horde 1380: rutube.ru/video/377593014645086ba2c9a0a6217ad99b/ War of 1812. Before the invasion of Napoleon in Russia, the French army already won the whole of Europe. Napoleon was undefeated before meeting with the Russian army. He offered the Russian Tsar to give up in order to avoid needless casualties. Alexander I refused to Napoleon. Alexander did not doubt the victory of Russia. Google: Napoleon Bonaparte and Alexander I -You Tube

@Skittlesnjack

8 жыл бұрын

mihail able e never once did I claims to remember Russia but okay. Lol

If he’s talking burning my house down, I’m getting him out. Period. I would of surrendered him to the state.

This is actually a case that hits close to home. My father and stepmother adopted two girls from Russia. One had MANY mental issues and they had her seeing a therapist and had to have her go to a special school. The therapist said that many parents that adopted kids with those mental issues would end up murdering the child because they could not handle them. At first I wondered why, but after living with the child for even a couple of years, it was hard and i felt horrible for my stepmother, who this child directed her issue at. She smeared feces on the walls, would hurt herself and tell people my stepmother did it, would hurt others, would do strange things. They had to put an alarm on her door because one night she walked into their room at night and stood there staring and put a drawing of my stepmother on her bed of her dead. Acted like it was fine "look mommy, i drew a picture for you" all cheerful. Many children with the issues she had, grow up to be serial killers, according to the therapist. The meds she was on were very expensive etc and she was even younger than the boy in this case. I cant imagine how scary itd be to have a boy that age. It was hard enough just being a sibling with a young girl like that. I was always afraid to turn my back even for a second, leaving her unwatched with the younger one (baby at the time), even to go put a new movie in for us to watch, because i thought shed quickly try and hurt her. Its awful living in constant fear of a child. Something that most will not believe can do such horrid things. So you have to not only fear what the child will do, but also what they will say and others will believe because children with these issues are cunning with faking emotions and lying. We were lucky she was in a special school for children like that and teachers knew how to deal with her lies. I can understand sending the child back. Its better than the parents trying to keep the child and going crazy from trying to deal with all of that and killing the child. The Russian orphanages treat their children like utter crap. Normally i wouldnt agree with people sending back an adopted child but if your family is in danger because of that child and not just your life could be ruined but your families, what else can you do other than shove them in a mental ward, which is pretty much the same thing, except you have to pay for it. Something like this is hard to understand unless you have gone through it yourself. I dont agree with the violence towards these children but I cant blame the parents that send them back if they have issues like my adopted sister has. My sister is lucky my stepmother is such a good person.

@ModifiedRabbit

10 жыл бұрын

Youre very welcome. I just saw many judgmental comments towards people that give back their adopted child from another country. Some people do not understand just how dangerous they can be. It isnt their fault but that doesnt change the risk and some people are not prepared for that or sometimes not even prepared for the costs of the therapy and medication etc that it takes to try and help these children. I hope that people adopting from these countries in the future, learn more about them before going.

@lenawooly

10 жыл бұрын

Toudasan I think that US-Russia adoption is completely prohibited now. Not sure if this is because of our diplomatic relations or because of these issues. That was a really interesting story, thank you for sharing. One of my mother's best friends adopted an American child and had similar issues. Feces on the walls, purposely urinating in the bed. Apparently one night she woke up and the girl was standing over her bed with a knife. It's so difficult because we'd all love to help these kids... But it's almost as though they're beyond help, and most don't have the time or energy to deal with such things.

@noiram9572

10 жыл бұрын

I hear what you're saying but I believe a young child can be nurtured back to good mental health. The child needs of course lots of love but also acknowledgment of what had happened to him/her and understand why it was bad. So he/she can have clear foundations for good values. It sounds that you sister had all that. may I ask how she is doing today ? + You can't agree with the idea of sending a child across seas by himself with only a note in is hand, am I right ? + Please don't be offended by any of my statements as I have not lived your situation and can't really appreciate the depth of it. But I am surprised at what you wrote : " if YOUR FAMILY is in danger because of THAT child and not just your life could be ruined but your families, what else can you do other than shove them in a mental ward, which is pretty much the same thing, except YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT." Really ? I bet if I adopted a boy I'll probably tell him that he's part of "my family". If I want to protect my family that includes him. If I feel that what's best for him is sending him back to an orphanage, (well I'm probably wrong), but i can do it. But I won't do it because it's "cost efficient". If that kid had cancer I would pay to treat him. So why not treat him when he has a mental issue ? Of course I need to protect everyone in the family so if I feel that he's a threat I need to deal with him as I would do with any of my children and not by saying "you have a problem, I am scared, I don't want you anymore".

@ModifiedRabbit

10 жыл бұрын

noiram Some children are too young to remember all that happened to them so just having someone listen to them etc doesnt cut it all the time. In the case of my little sister, a LOT of therapy, meds and constant supervision is needed. Some families cannot afford all of that and putting everyone else in danger to TRY and save one child is something that most people cannot do. Even for someone that is blood related, many would have that child committed etc. Until you face this issue, you cannot possibly say youd not try and return this child. The therapist specializing in the issues my sister has told my parents that many of the parents of these types of children end up murdering them. I think sending a child back is far better than going so far as to murder them. Being THAT afraid of even a child can cause someone to do some awful things. At that point, its not even for everyone elses safety, but that adopted childs, to send them back.

@ModifiedRabbit

10 жыл бұрын

noiram Also, IF you have the money to treat a child, most will. Some people just legit do not have the money for it and some cannot borrow the money. You cant just expect a family to somehow find that money and think theyre awful people for not being able to. lol

I was adopted when I was seven, and the biggest fear I had was being sent back. It was a very irrational fear. I had been abused in a multitude of ways, but my mom (adoptive) still took me in with open arms. She risked having a mentally disturbed child haunted by years of abuse, just to give me a proper family. That is how adoption works. You take a child into your family and treat them like they are your own, just like my mom did for me.

Some people are just plain jerks! You can't just change your mind about being a parent. You commit. He's adopted, he's probably got problems but being a parent is about being there for your child. You don't just go "oh sorry, I'm giving them back". If you give birth you have no choice, once you've made that commitment that's it.

@kimthi6577

9 жыл бұрын

Exacly I'm adopted and I have gotten in tons of trouble and is fighting depression but my mother still loves me all the same and tells me that know matter what she will always love me.

@victorcurrie3493

9 жыл бұрын

amen

@whateverwhatever7210

9 жыл бұрын

Well, I can kind of see the parents point. My mom works at a childrens shelter and see's these things happen a lot. But if I was given a child and they said the child had NO issues, then I would be mad if I suddenly found out the child did have issues. Because they were probably not cut out for that kind of behavior. because trust me, I have seen kids with some real issues, and these kids will abuse the dogs in the house, not follow any rules, masturbate anywhere (if sexually abused) and will be VERY abusive to little kids. it is absolutely horrible if you are not cut out for this kind of behavior. So i would probably send the child back too, if I were lied to, because I can't handle kids like that. But if you knew the kid had issues, then it is very wrong to send the child back.

@kimthi6577

9 жыл бұрын

whatever whatever If you wouldn't be able to raise the kid then why not instead try to help the kid get better than send the kid back

@whateverwhatever7210

9 жыл бұрын

kristy lee That's very hard work to do for a kid who has been very badly abused. To help the kid, you will most likely need to get it a really good therapist. And that will not work instantly, it will take a while for the kid to be in right condition, and usually it's not till the kid is an adult, that his issues go away. But with the proper help for the child, he can be easier to raise. So depending on how the kid is, I would get him help, but if the kid is really hard for me to handle, then I would send him back, but I would feel really bad about doing it, and pray that he gets adopted by really good parents. I want to adopt kids someday, but I will make sure that the child is in right condition for me.

If I adopted a child I would NEVER give the Child back I would give that Child help threw mental Health, or something ALL Kids need help. I would LOVE to adopt children. :) they are gods blessings and gifts you don't just throw them away :(

@imaStonesFan4Life

8 жыл бұрын

+Samantha Miller Me too, I am going to have to stay away from videos involving kids I get very sad. about things like this. It hurts my heart.

@samanthamiller7229

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah I can understand that this stuff is so sad I cry at seeing kids being treated like there Property they are human beings like us but smarter :)

@Catholicmama

8 жыл бұрын

We are dissolving an adoption. It wasn't an easy decision. But he tried to throw me down the stairs, has assaulted me more than once, like bruises, black eye, kicked me, etc. We did therapy from week two on. We did psychologists, psychiatrists, court, etc. We got him when he was five. He had been neglected, abused and rejected by birth mom. He was sexualized and had Porn pics taken of him by a previous foster dad. He is doing time in Federal prison. I know we had signed on for at least until he was 18, but he was so awful the last year, he was fifteen, he failed every class at school, was almost expelled for lewd behavior, threatened and harassed adults, and tried to steal anything that wasn't nailed down. We had taken to lock doors in our house, each bedroom, and almost locked the fridge. We treated him well. We only had one other kid. We tried to instruct him and keep the rules simple and straight forward, but he is a budding sociopath. I fear that he will yet kill me. He has threatened to enough.

@kittimcconnell2633

8 жыл бұрын

+Denise Mullarkey So sorry you went thru that, Denise. Honestly, one of my best friends has a violent child that is her own, raised by both parents in a loving home, and they fear for their lives too. You never know what's going to happen when you have a child, by your own body or adoption.

@Catholicmama

8 жыл бұрын

They need to involve the courts. I know of a family who got their daughter into residential care and she was helped. I think our son was too damaged to be helped beyond Divine intervention. I am praying for him. I am also trying to forgive him, wow that will be a long process, but my pastor is helping me through.

THIS IS BULLSHIT .......... WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A HANDBAG .......... ITS A HUMAN BEING, OK HE HAD ISSUES, WHAT THE HELL DID SHE EXPECT, DID SHE FIND OUT ABOUT HIS BACKGROUND, ITS DISGUSTING.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

The origin of the child does not matter. Too many in Russia famous and successful people have come from poor peasant and working-class families. This boy from a good family. His grandfather and grandmother labor veterans and have many services to Russia. His great-grandfather fought in the war against Hitler's fascism and died. He was awarded posthumously. But this child has no normal father and mother. It was a lost generation in Russia in connection with the political and economic collapse of the country. 83-year-old grandfather is disabled. He has not the ability to raise a grandchild. He is in a nursing home. Grandmother died before birth Artem. Lack of normal mother and father does not give the right to speak that this boy is genetically predisposed to crime. No. He needed a normal good family. He does not have a predisposition to be a bad person. Therefore Russian calmly rose to his defense. They see that this boy will not fail them. You can bet. This guy has all chances to become a good successful man .He hard worker and it is already noticeable.

@TMIDiva

9 жыл бұрын

It sounds like this adoptive parent was out of her mind (frustrated?) and clueless. Children are not always butterflies and unicorns! When she contemplated buying the return ticket, she should have tried to figure out an alternative. This is when there's a call in to Children Protective Services. She could have made the case that this was a child of abuse, he is threatening you and you need INSTANT respite before he causes harm. That would get the ball rolling and he would be transferred to a children's shelter.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

***** your house is garbage. The child is the best thing in your house. If you will ruin the child ..... you and your house does not have a right to exist. Repeat? Your house is garbage. Your car is garbage. Has meaning only child. Your dog, cat, hamster, horse ....... Everything is Bullshit if in your house is suffering child. Your money ... it's rubbish. Your work is nonsense. The only value in your home are children. everything else is garbage. No one can make, and does not ask you to take this child into your home. NOBODY! But if you took it .... you are responsible for life and safety of the child. If you think that there are good kids who will soon love you ..... this is nonsense. Even your own children will hate you if you do not build the right relationship with your children. Love for food and shelter can only dogs. Therefore, buy a dog and the dog will love you. The murderers who killed the Russian children were forced уехать и бросить дом . Some left the US. Your house will be cursed and you'll be damned if you killed a child. It is hard to understand? Even the prison will not save from the curse. T.Hansen threw her house and moved away from Tennessee. The house is now empty. She can not go back there. She disgraced for life.

@TMIDiva

9 жыл бұрын

mihail able I have a great amount of respect for adults who see the importance of another human over that of material 'things'. There are MANY parents who do a crappy job and operate in a selfish little world of accumulation and children are just another item on the list. I have also seen (first hand) adoptions that produced VERY damaged kids... one was severely autistic (from South America) and the other was pervasive developmental disorder(Russia). Lack of adequate nutrition and human interactions might have been the culprit, who knows. Those parents battened down the hatches and sailed into some rough seas. Economically, emotionally and with a clear understanding that this was not a problem with a fix. At no point did any one say "Let's just buy a plane ticket"...at least, I never heard that. If a person lacks the basic common sense to deal with a child like this, the BEST THING that they can do is hand him over to someone who has a clue. Bottom line: you can not teach a basic human emotion to someone who is so lacking. Your earlier statement is true..... in my world. Understand that some one else might see a child like a puppy: cute and cuddly until it pees on your antique silk rug. Then it's a chain in the backyard. Problem solved.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

TMIDiva Yes. You are right. Some people should not be able to adopt children. They have a strange understanding of love. There were cases when the foster children kept in cages. These adoptive parents spoke in court about love and good and evil. They did not understand what they are doing and trying to justify himself. There are many cases where foster children sleep in bath without bed because they have enuresis. child needs treatment but receives cruel treatment. If a kid is trying to resist and protest ...... then adopter uses force and begins to demonize the child. The problem is that Russian children are very often resist. Also as a rule they do not return to a foster home after the trial. all conflicts end with the departure of children from the foster family. 8-year-old Daniel Kruchin escaped from foster family after corporal punishment. Adopter (a former US Marine, has many military awards) tried to improve relations. He brings a lot of sweets and a lot of toys for the boy. But primereniya not happen. Dani refused to return to the foster family. The trial took place. Children who lived in cages (they are not Russian) asked judges to forgive adopters. They assured the court that they love my mom and dad, and want to go home. Only 2 out of 6 child refused to return. These children received regular beatings and starvation in the foster family. Only one known case when Russian kid back in the foster family after the trial. 7-year-old Daniel Bukharin does not blame his mother Jessica Bigley. He says that his mother does not use hot sauce and cold shower as punishment. He says that the mother allegedly did so because journalists wanted a sensation and they taught my mother to make a bad thing. He believes that his mother is good but blame the journalists. You Tube Jessica Bigley, Alaska - abuse the adopted child (2 ...

If she was telling the truth then I don't see anything wrong with returning the adopted kid, but she shouldn't have just put him on a plane with a note. That is just very careless. The fact that she did this in such a way kind of tells me that she might not be telling the truth that the kid was a psychopath.

@CalitmeDiondell

10 жыл бұрын

maybe if she tell the kid "I will give you back" he would kill them faster

@cjaygrove

10 жыл бұрын

PutuPup Certainly, I agree that these sort of things happen. I don't know why people are saying you can't return an adopted kid. If you unknowingly adopt a child with mental illness, you should be able to return him. I know a child is not a product to be consumed but mental illness is a serious thing. Still, I feel that there should be some responsibility on the adoptive parent to return the child in a more reasonable fashion.

@joshuahixson3969

10 жыл бұрын

PutuPup

@francescaelena1

10 жыл бұрын

I totally agree. She realized that she wasn't able to take care of the kid, but she shouldn't have just sent a child on a plane with a note.

@pillsareyummy

10 жыл бұрын

***** You can't 'return a child'; they're not used cars for Christ sake. Once you adopt a child that child is yours. Perhaps parents, who wish to adopt a child, should really think about what they're doing (all sides of the issue) 'before' they go through with it.

Well, at least we have one less serial killer in the US...

@Mstriniamerican

8 жыл бұрын

+Ellen DL Amen!

Ok I get it, he's a human and you shouldn't return him. But he's threatening to kill them....

@irenabechtle2055

9 жыл бұрын

Promthanius but you are not sure that the mom is telling truth that he said that.

@AG-dl6lr

9 жыл бұрын

***** exactly John. It makes me angry when people give away dogs because they can't be bothered to stick out some training. Let alone a child! Basically, she had a fairy tale in her head of what adoption would be like. These kids have usually gone through hell and back with mad amounts of abandonment issues - it is only natural that some will lash out. Being a parent isn't a fairy tale, whether they are your kids or not. She should have been the parent she thought she wanted to be, helped him, guided him and bonded. It is hard to bond with a stranger, harder to bond with one threatening you, but this isn't an adult here. This is a child who is looking to you for help and to be their parent. This isn't a horror movie, this is parenthood. She is obviously not cut out for it and I hope to God she doesn't put another child through this. If you thought his issues were bad before? She has just given him a whole new reason to not trust anyone who tries to get close to him and to not open up.

@jukahri

9 жыл бұрын

Promthanius Kids going whacko happens. That's what doctors and hospitals are for. When your kid (and it was her kid) is sick, you deal with it, you don't just wash your hands like that.

@rebekahvanrensburg3577

9 жыл бұрын

Rebekah is 70 years old

@theresashaw5027

9 жыл бұрын

Promthanius Any reasonable mother or woman would question a 7 year old baby threating her First of all That's a joke Parent the baby or if she couldn't pay for therapy . ESPECIALLY after she bought him like a purse . She probably pays $ for a purse like she did for the baby.

I don't mean to be rude. What she did was wrong, but Russia is known for causing these poor kids to have serious mental issues. This lady doesn't have to have herself, her other kids or family and friends to be put in danger. She clearly wanted the child. If I adopted (I have three children), I would not have a child in my house that's psychopathic or dangerous. Yes, maybe she should have gotten on the plane and brought him back, but she had the right to keep herself and family safe.

@kristengibson277

8 жыл бұрын

+Detra McFadden your exactly right! That's the problem. Also, why is it always from Russia that these. Holden are adopted and then sent back? There's a major reason for that....it's exactly what you said...these orphanages are dispicable

@user-ye2mn9td1r

8 жыл бұрын

Kindly look on the internet which usynolёnye children suffered and died in the United States. Children from different countries. But Russia regularly organizes international scandal after the death of Russian children in the United States. For example, in Tennessee foster family kept in cages 6 foster black children. In court, the adoptive parents said, "Our children were always happy. They laughed more than any other children. We love these kids." Perhaps this so-called love is normal for Americans. But Russian children do not want such love and such family happiness .

@kristengibson277

8 жыл бұрын

+михаил лапин you don't have psychopaths wherever your from? Don't even act like some psychotic people making children sleep in cages, is "normal" for Americans. It's not. There's cold, heartless people everywhere. The United States, Russia, and every other country. Quit taking cheap shots. That's not how the majority of Americans are. Whoever makes a child sleep in a cage is sickening.

@kristengibson277

8 жыл бұрын

+михаил лапин Awww those are adorable pics. The fact is, there's awful orphanages in Russia. There's awful orphanages everywhere. The other fact is, babies and children brought up in orphanages are going to most likely, have mental problems. A child NEEDS to emotionally bond with their mother. Period.

@kristengibson277

8 жыл бұрын

+михаил лапин you posted the same comment, from two different accounts 😳

The child has Reactive Attachment Disorder. prospective parents need to educated on this disorder and know what too look for and what steps to take

@heykyu5892

7 жыл бұрын

Nimmer thePaintPagan The parents weren't prepared for this. They said the orphanage did not tell them anything about his mental health. Of course they wouldn't be prepared for it! They don't know how to help or handle the child.

@NMierLaVeau

7 жыл бұрын

+Germaine Lim I agree with you.

because of the horrendous conditions in Russian and Romanian orphanages, it is apparently not uncommon to have kids with gigantic psychological problems. do your homework before doing foreign adoptions!!!1

@mihailable6695

7 жыл бұрын

Russia has nothing to do with Romania. It's 2 different states. It is 2 completely different mentality. 2 completely different people. 2 totally different stories. Romania did not have to do with Russia. Romanian orphanages (during the reign of Ceausescu) had nothing to do with Russian orphanages. If you do not see the difference between the mentality of Romanian and Russian orphans ..... you do not need to approach the Russian children. You can only do harm to these children but to help them. Enough to interfere in one pile all the countries of the former socialist camp. This is a different country with a completely different story. Romanians are always on the side of the strong. Russians have always been against strong or equivalence with Union strong. But Russia never did not go to someone else's strong country. You're idiots if you can not understand it. You can equate Russia to anything in your brain. But you will never be able to dictate your terms in Russia. This is unrealistic. Go to Romania and to adopt Romanian orphans if the Romanians so much love and idolize the United States. Russian orphans want real love and care . They do not care what country they live adoptive parents. Though in Antarctica. but love must be real, not fake. Therefore, the Russians have not allowed your Angelina Julie adopt a Russian child. PR show has nothing to do with real love and mercy. All PR is always false, and short-term. But the children are real and you can not break their spirits and destinies. You have to learn to do your homework. The Americans should receive at least a minimum knowledge of the country and the mentality of the people to which they climb with their democracy or adoptions. You can not live in illusions that are pumped into you your propaganda. Children are not toys and are not toilet paper. If you imagined yourself missionaries worldwide .... then you must comply with these missionary ideals but does not hold a large-scale show on the theme of "exceptional Americans fairest nation but the entire world is shit." YOU is SHIT! if you throw out 7-year-old child from the country. YOU is SHIT! if you did not make any attempt to help this child. YOU is SHIT! if you are trying to justify the vile and filthy act foolish American woman.

@sarahgeller3542

7 жыл бұрын

mihail able two different countries.

my 75 year old grandmother adopted two boys 18 years ago. One of them is now 350 pounds, a plethora of congenital issues, and physically abuses her. I stand by this mother's choice.

He going to burn your house down, with the lemons! Really though, that kid got issues. Still, if I was in that situation, I would try and get him help. Yes it would be scary, having an 8 yr say things like that, but he is a human. When you adopt a child, you keep them for better or worse.

@SunnyDCurlesrainbow545

10 жыл бұрын

AMEN!

@tessajalloh3527

10 жыл бұрын

I'm afraid i can't agree. she was lied to, the orphanage she adopted him from shirked THEIR responsibility to find a suitable home that can make proper care and facilities for him available. He was obviously a disturbed child with problems that she simply couldn't care for. And as such, it's damn right that she should bring him back to people who can and SHOULD find him the right place to be. Adoption takes serious thought and is an incredible responsibility. You should be armed with ALL of the information from the start and if the people responsible for providing that information lie and as a result put you in risk that you can't cope with, they should be made to annul the adoption and take proper responsibility for their failure. Simple as that.

@ThEcAnDyCrAcKeR

10 жыл бұрын

TessaJalloh Yes, that was incredibly horrible that they lied, especially about mental problems that bad. Still, you just said what I'm thinking. "Adoption takes serious thought and is an incredible responsibility". When you adopt a child, especially when they're older, you have to be prepared for anything. When you take a kid, its like you're making a vow to be their new parent, and stay with them no matter what. No child is going to be perfect. If she can't handle these problems, she should not have adopted a little human.

@Lark_Vivian

9 жыл бұрын

ThEcAnDyCrAcKeR bs. you agree to take on a child. not a phsychopath. You telling me if you adopt a dog and it bites you or a family member you will keep it? nope you send it back, maybe after a few chances but you send it back in the end, same applies to people.

@ThEcAnDyCrAcKeR

9 жыл бұрын

Lyric WasHere Its a human being. When you buy an object and it has a defect, you can return it. It is not the same with something alive. Yes, I would keep the dog, it's living to.

The child could be acting out because of anger and other things that happened before he got adopted and I can understand why you'd be angry with the adoption agency, but trying to "return" the child is disgusting. She could have taken him to get a psych test and see where she could go from there. If it was a serious mental issue then she could find the best way to get him help. Instead she just tries to abandon him.

@DIXIEDEW123

10 жыл бұрын

I can sort of understand why the 'mom' couldn't handle this child. It never stated how long this little boy lived with his new parents.....what angers me is that she put him on a plane not caring if the boy would be safe & looked after. If she cant handle the child, she could have went through the proper channels & given the child back w/o causing this little boy more added trauma. Seems to me the powers that be should also have checked the new parents background more closely before shipping this little boy half way around the world to a country that he didn't even know existed. :(

@janekaspar6982

10 жыл бұрын

DIXIEDEW123 she paid a guy to keep the kid safe on the plane

@DIXIEDEW123

10 жыл бұрын

Jane Kaspar I didn't hear about that. But in any event, I have to wonder if she knew that man she paid to babysit. A lot of bad people out there. :( I really do hope this poor little boy will find a home with people who will love him unconditionally & who are equipped to handle a child with special needs. Thanks for the info. :)

How many are raising a child with reactive attachment disorder. They are the ones who understand.

There are no winners in this.

The Russians are notorious for the practices in their orphanages which leave infants so traumatized that they manifest pathological behaviors throughout their childhood and the rest oftheir lives. Many of them were also prenatally exposed to drugs and alcohol. This is not disclosed before the adoption. For these such damaged individuals, they cannot be 'loved' into normalcy. Most require long term institutionalization and intensive therapy. This is not fair to adoptive parents. My concern is with how this woman handled his return. She basically abandoned this child without knowing if he would be safe and cared for. Her first move should have been to get counseling from an immigration lawyer and her local government rep. I can't imagine the added damage done to this boy.

@mihailable6695

10 жыл бұрын

the boy is healthy and happy without Torry Hansen.

@YT4Me57

10 жыл бұрын

mihail able Well, of course the Russian government would claim that, but a child doesn't go from violent behaviors and threatening to burn down a house with everyone in it to 'healthy and happy' without some intensive intervention. Besides, this is not the first such story. It's a quite common phenomenon. I am glad that the Russians have shut down adoptions to the USA. Let them revamp their system internally so that they will stop damaging those poor babies.

@mihailable6695

10 жыл бұрын

your uncle was not in Russia, and you were not in Russia. You accused Russian orphans in aggression and inadequacy. You wrote that these kids are dangerous. You can not prove your words by any real fact. Because ei fakiov NOT EXIST. Russian children do not commit crimes in the United States. American adoptive parents commit crimes against Russian children systematically. This is a fact. This can be proved. There are clues. HAVE WITNESSES. THERE IS EVIDENCE. You are a liar as Torry Hansen. I repeat. Artem healthy and happy in her new family. I HAVE PROOF. Torii Hansen has no proof. ANY evidence. You're lying, too. In Russia murderers are punished unless children have suffered. In the United States systematically justify the killers suffered when Russian children. This is a fact. Russia has banned the adoption ONLY AMERICANS. Because the only Americans discriminate against Russian orphans.

@runr100

10 жыл бұрын

mihail able Russia banned adoptions because the US claimed human rights abuses were taking place in Russia (the government beating people to death). Halting adoptions was done as revenge for the US human rights claim. Your government then used its propaganda machine to gain support for a law that condemns Russian children to a childhood without love. Russian orphans fair much better in the US than in Russia. Don't believe your government propaganda. You should know better by now.

I think she had more options than that. Did she take the child to a therapist? Is he diagnosed? If you have any child that acts like this, whether adopted or not, there are professionals you can go to. But at the same time, the agency is at fault, because they did lie.

@txferretgirl

10 жыл бұрын

we don't know, however I can say that if this child really was psychotic, there is a very good chance he could have done the family harm as he got older. I mean when he reaches his teens he's strong enough to physically harm them. There are mental issues that no matter what you do or try, nothing can change it. It's sad, but true. Though I do think in the very least she should have gone back with him. What would he do on the plane anyhow.

You got it wrong here bud. If you buy a car and it doesn't run in any capacity you return it. She signed up to a reasonably normal child, the Russians lied to her, passed on the responsibility of a mentally disabled deranged child to her, that's not acceptable. Some people, most people are unable to deal with this type of situation, not to mention the danger she is putting her other children in. It's the responsibility of the Russian State to take care of this child or place with parents who can cope with.

@mihailable6695

7 жыл бұрын

Doctors examined this child. This child is healthy. You're a liar. Of course Russia will take care of this child. This is not a problem. But American families no longer receive any Russian child. If Americans prefer to lie but did not do a medical examination ..... this means that the Americans are not willing to honestly cooperate with the Russian. They want to impose their will and their terms. Let them go to Africa with their desires and dictate the conditions there. Children are not the goods on which to build a business and make money. Children is not a commodity! Children are children! If you can not figure it out .... then buy a dog. I repeat .... This child did not receive any medical examination in the United States. T .Hansen not sdela no attempt to help this child in the period of adaptation. Any attempt! If you do not understand how incompetent, cruel and deceitful this woman ...... means you do not want to understand this and want to justify any American villainy.

Basically, in her statement she is saying: "You told me I would get a perfect dolly, but this one is broken. So I am sending it back to you." Children aren't toys. If you cannot handle the responsibility of being a parent, don't take that step. This child was most likely not treated with the same kindness we take for granted each day. He was probably mimicking some of the things said to him since he was little. He was uprooted and taken to a completely different country, and told to live by different sets of rules. Would he act out and say irrational things? HELL YEAH! Does that give a "parent" the right to discard him simply because he was not the angel she was lead to expect? DEFINITELY NOT.

@imaStonesFan4Life

8 жыл бұрын

+Elizabeth Armas That is a human kid you are talking about there not a dog. She could at least try to take him to get help. You adopt and that child is YOURS ,hes NOT just visiting. Should she take her BLOOD kids back when they say some disturbing stuff? or should she take them to the doctor?

This is absolutely disgusting. Kids aren't toys you can exchange, parents are supposed to love their children, no matter what difficulies they have. I dont see why she couldn't have seeked professional help for him, or wait for him to get over the shock of being adopted. And we dont know, did was he traumatized by something that happened in back in Russia? When you adopt someone, they become your child, this woman doesn't know what it means to be a parent

Imagine sending a child to another country unaccompanied? Well it has been happening in Central America to the US all the time lately.

@watchgoose

9 жыл бұрын

by the hundreds! and Obama lets them in. and Jerry Brown also.

@TeaCup1940

Жыл бұрын

It is very bad of those parents to do that.

If he was endangering her family, I don't blame her.

@fakejeffypuppetvideosafvid1594

7 жыл бұрын

Ashley Mires he said she was LYING about it

@AshleyMires

7 жыл бұрын

Reza Irani Look, I only watched the first bit of it. I never heard how old the child was. And YES If you have a baby of someone much smaller than the 7 year old. Then without the proper disciplining, the 7 year old CAN be a threat.

@MissyRose94

6 жыл бұрын

There's other ways. Get the kid some help.

The picture of him crying saying she wants to send him back.....breaks my heart. He is just a little boy. I can only imagine what he has been through.If she is truly afraid for the rest of her family get outside help....he has probably been through hell...just my thoughts

@heybootifuligotukookie245

9 жыл бұрын

Ikr... omggg!!!! He must crying all out rn n no one confort him :'((

@cast_angi

6 жыл бұрын

It’s so sad, i was adopted by a family when I was foster care I was 16, the mom was awful and very controlling and she has a sister who was very bipolar and ADHD and they were awful to me, I only lived with them for a year and a half before I left to Chicago, I was 17. Idk why they just hated me when they realized they can’t mold me into what they wanted me to be, I only realized I only have myself even if I have no family.

The way she just sent him back (alone, with no idea of what was going on, with only a note attached) is sketchy

That poor poor kid D:

That's just crazy, when you adopt a child you are taking a chance on their mental health. You don't know if they have been abused or if they come from parents who have mental illness. Once you sign those papers you are saying I am going to take care of this child like he was my own. If your child had mental problems would you give up on them or would you do everything in your power to get them the right help? And then to send that little seven year old on a plane all alone. Unbelievable!

GIVE HIM TO a Black or Asian Family... where 7 year olds children DONT RUN the HOUSEHOLD ever!! instead of drawing the house burning down: He would be grateful for the 12 pack crayons you bought him at the dollar store..

@nilloop8181

7 жыл бұрын

oh yeah because blacks kids always turn out great......right

@ashleyli924

7 жыл бұрын

Why do they have to be given to a black or asian family?

@cinnamonstar808

7 жыл бұрын

ha ha true! but he can sleep over for 1 week at a time until "i hate you mom!" leaves his vocabulary

@sean3874

7 жыл бұрын

nil loop that's an African American thing if he was given to a Nigerian family he would most likely turn out very disciplined.

So hey. I was adopted. Amd btw you CAN give the child back. Its bogus but they do allow it. And attachment disorder is curable with lots of love. I know because I used to have it. Don't anymore cuz my foster mother gave me lots of love.

@preciouswilliams3021

10 жыл бұрын

Hey if u like it comment

Unfortunately the mother was right

@sarahjackson84

10 жыл бұрын

she was not right although she wasnt wrong either

@saultube44

10 жыл бұрын

Sarah Anne jackson That makes no sense and she was right, she was lied to and the kid was a psychologically damaged 1 and needs special treatment for the rest of his life, you just don't want to accept that, and if you feel so compasionate towards the kid, why don't you adopt it? but if you get killed or your house on fire or both, then you shouldn't complain.

@MsMaRsSY

10 жыл бұрын

saultube44 Roughly said , but I can agree. This is only from my experience where I live , but my mom works with all kinds of special kids. ( you can say she has a gift for it :D) But its not easy taking care of them at all, even some of the teachers at the school have difficulty dealing with these kids. There are also parents that does not know how or can't ( here , sometimes its because they themselves are somewhat special ) and the orphanage most of the times just want to rid themselves of the kid or they shift their responsibility on others rather than taking the time and properly educate or guide them : / ( again this is from where I live )

@j_freed

10 жыл бұрын

MsMaRsSY It's extremely painful for even a 'regular' kid to be put in a new home situation where she or he is already vulnerable, only to not have their needs met and be chronically maltreated by caregivers (abuse and neglect.) But some caregivers like your mother have an extraordinary capacity for empathy and are doing it to GIVE rather than to get. Some troubled kids need that even more than others, and possibly more than the average parent can provide even if they have the most open-hearted intentions. Caregiving starts with caring, and the 'giving' does not end the moment there's a snag.

@MsMaRsSY

10 жыл бұрын

jonas brave Very true. I especially liked your last sentence . Thing we should really think about sometimes, but end up not doing so because of different circumstances or situations and what not .

We have enough children in this country that need a loving home,.,.,..,.,.,.,,.,.

You damn right i would send his ass packing to. I have a relative that was in the same situation.This agency knew that, this child had deep rooted issues. Beyond fixing, beyond loving. Some kids are just born to be bad. Or had things happen to them that cause them to just be vicious. I can't say I'm sorry for saying this I know. The little boy was Chucky. And until you're in that situation you can't say anything. Because I seen these things with my own eyes.You wouldn't believe that a child could be capable to the unspeakable.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

Myihaliane Scott Artyom Savelyev in new family (2011 ) www.1tv.ru/videoarchive/40525&p=136 President of the Russian Federation for Children's Rights Pavel Astakhov and American lawyer Ray Stoner visited Artem Saveliev on the eve of his 10th birthday. rfdeti.ru/upload/MZ5S7324.JPG

@tali_wren

4 жыл бұрын

No one is beyond loving. I always hate it when parents like this woman want to adopt but then when hard times come they do crap like this. No child is born to be bad either. All children are innocent until they are taught to be bad or bad things happen to them and they dont know how to process that hurt. Him acting out like that is scary and awful for sure, but there is always hope and always a way out. There are many children who do the same thing who grow up to be healthy and happy adults. All it takes is love, patience, persistence, and figuring out what help you need to get. I always say if you (people in general) can't understand that your child, bio or adopted, could be a psycopath, or in a gang, or whatever worse case scenario, dont be a parent. We can do our best with our children, but ultimately we cannot control them. If this was a bio child I bet you anything she wouldn't have done that. No one should treat bio kids and adopted kids differently. Adoption is legally making someone your family. Even though it was very wrong that the agency did not tell her about any of this, she should have understood that regardless of what they say, he could be violent, he could have a disability, whatever. As a parent you take on the risks of whatever your child may decide or whatever place they may be in mentally. Nobody is in the right here.

did anyone watch orphan.... Changes everything

@Sapphiresenthiss

10 жыл бұрын

Eyup.

@shellydurunna

10 жыл бұрын

i saw that docu, it shows why these kids are that way they are.

@addieburks7965

10 жыл бұрын

Sapphiresenthiss Bluescales

@donnaacuna690

10 жыл бұрын

caca what doc?

@xxDaisyChain12

10 жыл бұрын

Yep

In all fairness...not that it is fair for this kid or any kid...but I know someone who adopted a boy from Siberia. He and his wife basically "purchased" him for 50 grand...brought him back to the US...and the kid is truely a handful to deal with. They love him and all, but admit it is very difficult to raise him. They have tried counseling, etc.

This child will grow to be someone very big , can't garrentee good or bad but definitely big , god bless his little heart

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

Noelia Ruiz visualrian.ru/ru/images/zooms/RIAN_995996.jpg

This woman pretty much ruined Russian adoption to the US for everyone. Not long after this, Russia halted international adoption. Even the adoptions that were being processed were terminated, so kids who had met their adoptive parents and been promised a home in America are now growing up in institutions. It's disgusting.

@pandastylearmy5938

8 жыл бұрын

+Jordan A im sorry you got hurt by this woman. she must have caused more pain than she ever feared she would get herself. a selfish thoughtless woman!!!

I'm Russian-American and I beg you not to bring kids from Russia. They are not normal. They are dangerous. Even if you adapt the child who is one year old, the damage has been done. You may not see any problems right away until later. Treating the child with psych issues can be very expensive. I'm not surprised this woman sent the boy back the way she did. Look at his face, he is scary, not scared.

Sadly, I have seen bio parents who gave their kids away so trying to return someone else's problem child rather than hurting them or letting them hurt you seems more responsible. Not on board with just putting him on a plane alone though. The point that the commentator makes about three other children from Russia being killed by adoptive parents (over a 5 year period) is somewhat skewed because everyday American children are beaten, tortured and killed by their parents or caregivers. He made it seem like all Russian adoptees are mistreated or that only Russian children are abused. I also have to wonder why American families feel the need to go to another country to get a child when there are so many children right here who need the love and care of a family?

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

American adoptive killed 20 Russian children and more than 100 cases identified violence against Russian children in the adoptive American families. In addition, more than 200 Russian children have gone missing in US. It is not enough to prohibit adoptions for US citizens? Why American families feel the need to go to another country to get a child when there are so many children right here who need the love and care of a family? "Because the biological parents have the right to visit the children, and these children can return to their families. Because social services will monitor the foster family if the family has adopted the American orphan. Because social services are very good and long check of prospective adoptive parents if they want to adopt American orphan. Because a lot of differences in matters of adoption between the various American states. Because there is corruption and bribery. Because the average American will adopt child within 5-8 years. But foreign orphans .... they are like kittens or puppies. Downloads, brought ... and nobody cares how and where lives foster child. Several pictures of happy foster children and a short story about their new happy life- it is enough to recognize the adoption successful. If the adoption took place too quickly (within 1-2 years) and too expensive then Adopter perceives adoption as package but not as much responsibility to the child and to the two great countries. But the question of price is secondary. That high price is very annoying American adoptive parents. But is Russians invited Americans to adopt children? Why Americans came to Russia for the children? Wanted exotics? Let try to adopt Chinese pandas. This is 100 times more expensive.

@frozn7

9 жыл бұрын

The thing is we can do the right thing but the wrong way.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

Motty myers Do not try to be a missionary if you do not have sufficient knowledge and mental strength .

@frozn7

9 жыл бұрын

mihail able I was actually responding to Tara's comment and not yours. I believe you misunderstood my statement. I ment its wrong to return the child in that manner but right because they never wanted to get frustrated and hurt him. Hence we do the right thing in the wrong way.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

Motty myers T.Hansen certification is an American nurse, but she is not patient psychiatric clinic. She has no excuses.

If you adopt a kid they are a kid. They are your kid. Figure out what to do. Get him help.

She was lied to. She would not have taken the boy otherwise. I would go with the boy to Russia and have a confrontation before leaving the boy there. People saying oh it's wrong, heartless, blah, blah, you are not the one who is taking care of that child. Easy to be righteous if you are not the one who is suffering.

The kid was a monster

The way she handled it was wrong. She shouldn't have had him on a plane by himself with a note. That's Jay ridiculous. But she does state she was lied to by the adoption agency about his mental health and other conditions. My parents were Foster parents and I saw a lot of kids who had some serious problems. We also had a kid who said he was going to burn the house down while we were sleeping and kill us all. It was a scary situation for me to lay in my bed thinking "is he really going to do it?" Then with the screaming and hiring and all the violence. It gets to you and it scares you. A girl once pulled a knife on my parents. Another one was slicing her arm up lying on the floor. I mean they have some serious issues sometimes and the agencies tell you none of it just to get rid of them. That's wrong. No family should be put in danger that way.

@mihailable6695

10 жыл бұрын

Brad. lies and fantasies. The United States are infected with this nonsense is why it was necessary to prohibit the adoption.

@Pickles375

10 жыл бұрын

I don't understand what you're trying to say. I'm sorry. Maybe you missed a few words. My phone does that to me when I'm on it. I don't know if that's what you're using but can you rephrase that please?

They are completely missing the point of her sending a 7 year old across the Atlantic on his own... regardless how the child was or why she didn't want him/couldn't cope. She should get done for child abuse!

@ventomario3251

8 жыл бұрын

so you'd rather him burn people's houses down. ok I get it.

As a father--this is disturbing and hurts my heart. The picture of the little boy for this video is a soul-crusher.

Good grief! A child is not a piece of property you can buy and return if you don't like it. What's wrong with people?

Think of it this way, when you give birth to your own child you have a bond. If you invite a stranger into your home out of the goodness of your heart, that bond isn't there. So basically this woman has a strange child with little to no bond who is making her feel unsafe. I would try therapy but if I had children already, and this child was saying and doing these things, you can bet your ass I would try and get rid of the child.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

Who makes you adopt children? It is your desire. You can make a complaint to the children who dream of living in the United States. Russian orphans this desire never expressed. They really want to have a mom and dad. They do not care where live mom and dad ......... in the woods, in the Arctic, in the desert or in the US. They want to get the love they lost. But do you think that they want to live in your beautiful home. American adoptive and Russian children do not understand each other. Desires do not match. Americans want to get an obedient toy. Russian children want love, not fake parents. Russian people want the Americans gave children the opportunity to fulfill your potential in the US. All have different dreams and different goals. Therefore mess. What might be the relationship between the child and the adoptive parent if the adoptive parent takes care of the cleanliness of the sofa but does not care about the sick child's ear. What might be the connection if the adopter is important as a child looks (clothes, hairstyle), but do not care if the child sweating or froze? what could be the connection if the adopter does not care that the kid is bored and crying at night? what could be the connection if the adopter does not even know that the child is afraid to sleep alone in the room? It's not the parents .... This soulless mannequins. If a child is crying ---- it allegedly manipulating and desire to control the situation. If the child is silent and does not want to talk ----- allegedly it is autism and mental damage. If a child laughs and runs ----- supposedly it is ADHD. If a kid ....... Bl ..... !!!!!! This "paradise" for the foster children in United States

@silvergrey6405

9 жыл бұрын

WHEN YOU ADOPT A CHILD YOU HAVE TO BE IN A STATE OF MIND WHERE YOU TREAT THAT CHILD LIKE YOUR FUCKING OWN. the bond you are talking about is bullshit because legally that child was hers and she failed to keep that child safe, someone who cant even help a 'stranger' like you put it shouldnt be a mother

@PandaChan164

9 жыл бұрын

Silver Grey I look out for my own first. It's how everyone operates, including you. If you have children of your own and it's thier safety or another childs, you will pick YOUR child first. No if ands or buts about it. I'm willing to admit that and while I would do everything in my power to help another child, I will prioritize my child above any others. I was only offering an input on MAYBE why she did it. She could be a scumbag of a human, it wouldn't be a surprise in this world, or maybe she feared for her other children. In which case her choice wouldn't have been an easy one. Today we always jump to see the bad in people, and it seems we never even TRY to understand. As I said, I was only offering another point of view.

@PandaChan164

9 жыл бұрын

I will admit though, if she didn't atleast try to seek help (therapy or something) then I have no compassion for her. I do hope that poor boy does get some sort of help down the line and a family that will care for him.

@silvergrey6405

9 жыл бұрын

Green x Black i understand your point of view but the fact is when you adopt and you dont know me so how would you know that I had a baby couldnt pregnant again then adopted huh? you dont. So stop telling me how I would operate, but anyway when you adopt you chose to raise that child as your own i dont give a fuck about 'favourites' she chose to bring another child into that house, hes an orphan hes going to have his issues. Not sure what the point of you telling me your point is when Im obviously going to have the point of view that includes basic human decency and kindness. You can play favourites all you fucking want but just know that, that kid that isnt the favourite shouldnt feel like he isnt the fucking favourite or at least not know there is a fucking favourite

I'm sorry, but putting a 7yr old on a plane to Russia by himself with a note is dispicable. I don't care what the child may or may not have said or done, it is utterly indefensible. I am the adoptive mother of 2 boys, biological brothers. My husband & I went thru Foster Care training & the additional adoption training. We got a call & in 1&1/2 hours, we went from 0 to 2 children, ages 3 weeks & 22 months. Our baby was born addicted to cocaine, as well as having multiple other drugs in his system at birth. Our toddler had spent more time in Foster Care than w/his bio family. He had been moved around more than any other child his age in the entire state. He was non-verbal & ran to crouch in the corner when I laughed boisterously on the 2nd or 3rd day in our home. We're positive he'd been exposed to multiple drugs in utero as well. He had also been exposed to viscous domestic violence. We didn't know what, if any, problems these boys would face bc of their wretched intro into the world. But the moment the social worker brought them to our home, we KNEW these were OUR children. We were willing to take the chance that they would face developmental, emotional, and/or psychological issues. We fought the extended bio family for custody for over a year. We were the first non-biological parents to be granted adoption rights over a bio family in our state. We fought so hard bc although I didn't give birth to them, we loved them just as much as if I had. As soon as I laid eyes on them, I knew they were our children. It was a crap shoot, as far as possible "issues" would surface, but it didn't matter. We were their parents. Fast forward 10yrs & today they are both healthy, happy, & extraordinarily bright. They are honor roll students w/vocabularies that rival any adult & read at 12th grade levels. The oldest, 12 now, literally scored off the charts on state tests at school, w/little bro close at 99th percentile. They are kind, sensitive, well adjusted little boys. We all got lucky. But my point is this, there are no guarantees w/kids, be they bio or adopted. They're not merchandise that can be returned if they don't turn out as you hope. They are human beings, for god's sake! What this so called "mother" did was dispicable & she should be charged with child endangerment, abandonment & neglect. Period. Many ppl assume that my husband & I (mostly me) could not have our "own children". It's so insulting. Our sons are not ours by default. They are not our 2nd choice. We CHOSE to adopt. This woman also CHOSE to adopt. Therefore it is her duty to seek help for this child if she fears for his mental health, just as she should if she'd given birth to him. She doesn't get a do over or a "pass" bc he's adopted. When she adopted him, she assumed all of the rights & responsibilities of a natural mother and should be held just as accountable as one. It's an absolute disgrace that she did what she did. I simply cannot fathom it.

Orphans often suffer from disorganised attachment. They are not responded to as children, often abused, frightened, often ignored and that has a fundamental impact on how they can relate when they are older. If you adopt a child from this kind of background, you should be ready to invest the time, love and resources including psychological help where needed to help repair this difficult beginning. Demonising a 7-year-old is a terrible thing to do and totally removes responsibility from the adults. She was either poorly-informed or ill-equipped and this is an issue that adopting parents of children from countries where their care may be substandard must have better education about what to expect and what they need to do. It is no walk in the park. Either way, if she could not cope, putting a child on a plane by himself and removing him from the country back into uncertainty is totally disgusting behaviour and totally inhumane. Speaking of psychopathic disturbance, I take little comfort in the idea that some of the people writing the comments below walk among us.

Any adoption process should involve child and potential adopter getting to know each other well first to understand whether it's going to work.

This child will be in my heart! I love this kid, If I were this kids mom I would keep him!

This is a sick and upsetting story. The three other cases mentioned of parents killing their adopted children is also truly unbelievable. No child deserves this treatment!

@mihailable6695

8 жыл бұрын

+Nathalie Clarke There were 20 deaths of Russian children in the United States. In fact, there were more deaths but in 20 cases, the charges were brought against the adoptive parents and the courts were held.

This is a very delicate situation. None of you have the right to call this woman a monster, simply because we (myself included) do not know all the facts that are to be taken into consideration. Certainly, this is a human child and therefore cannot simply be returned like an item, nor should he be treated like one. Trying to do so was undoubtedly morally wrong. HOWEVER, if what I've read is true and this child made death threats, it gets more complicated. If the woman who adopted him was not informed of the mental problems and potential psychosis this child possesses then the system failed him just as much. Is there no protocol for the child to undergo mental examinations? There should be and the parent to be should be forewarned of any issues. If nothing else they need to meet at least once or twice. Then the parent-to-be would have a more concrete feel of what this child will be like and perhaps realise its not all flowers and sunshine. (And yes, I understand they don't live next door but this is a child not a toy. If you are going to adopt one, to make sure you know what you're in for, it's worth paying for the trip.) I myself have contemplated adoption in the future but, without a doubt, I would under no circumstance keep a child that makes death threats. I'm not sure how I would have handled it, but it's clear that I would have somehow with as much 'delicatess' possible, sent him back to an orphanage. At that age it's abnormal to threaten and it is a clear sign that something in seriously wrong. I would not put myself and those I hold dear at risk, because the sad truth is child murder/arson/ect is not unheard of. Before you sham somebody you need to carefully consider all this.

i have a friend. hes adopted. and hes not grateful at all. he cries until his stepmom or stepdad gives him money. and his stepmom is too nice. the adopted kid's now seventeen and dropped out of school. i just dont know how his step parent r so patient.

this is crazy, children are children. This child at the tender age of 7, really doesn't understand, and she has caused for more and anguish, mental problems for the child. This child needs love, don't treat a child worse than their pet.

Due to the fact that these children have basically no human contact as babies they end up suffering from disassociative personality disorder. They end up harming themselves and family members. A neighbor adopted 2 kids from Russia. The 2 kids burned down a playground set near my home. They said they did it because they were bored. It was done in a condo development and it was near my condo which could have burned down had not someone called the fire dept. There are many documented cases of these kids having severe mental issues because they are victims of fetal alcohol syndrome or were just left to rot in their cribs as infants. These guys need to do their research on these kids from Russia before drawing their conclusions. These kids have proven to be very dangerous in alot of cases.

Most people are not capable of unconditional love. It takes a special person indeed to care for these types of children.

i think its the way she went about it that is what was so wrong

He is obviously a danger to others. He should have been put into pyschiatric care, fire-starting is a symptom of psychosis, a lack of emotional care for others is also a danger sign. Such individuals often need life-long care because of their obsession with violence.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

Only a doctor can make a diagnosis. The doctors said, "This boy is healthy" Adoptive parent has no right to diagnose the child. Only a doctor. T.Hansen is a doctor? Are you a doctor? Only a doctor can make a diagnosis and prescribe treatment. Any adopter may get tired and come up with a horrible story to get rid of boring child. Some people buy puppies, but after 2-5 months .... throw these puppies because these puppies pissing sofa and nibbled furniture. They can not and do not want to teach these puppies. They want to puppies entertained them and did not violate their comfort. Some adoptive parents do not see the difference between buying a puppy and adoption. Lack of control over foster families has led to consumer attitude towards adoption.

@johnbradley2217

9 жыл бұрын

Well, lets wait then until he burns the house down or the mother wakes one morning to her the adopted child standing over her with a knife, too late then. Positive proof in these cases is often deadly, DUH.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

john bradley It is not necessary to adopt if you are afraid of other people's children. A child is not a cat. You can not pull out the claws and neutered for your enjoyment. Russian children do not commit crimes in the United States. There are no criminal proceedings against the Russian foster children. Many family conflicts but Russian children did not commit murders in the United States. Danger comes not of Russian children. Inadequate adoptive parents are the cause of conflict. It is necessary to properly prepare the adoptive parents. Adapters of alternative medicine should not educate potential adopters.

That's horrible! 7 years old? That is very cruel!

There are actually foundations set up to help parents like this, because this scenario is happening over and over. To the point where parents are fearing for their lives, and the lives of others in their household, because of the mental instability of these adopted kids, as they get older. She didn't handle it properly AT ALL, but I understand her frustration.

I have 2 issues: 1. European and American people adopt children from foreighn countries, although there are enough orphans or unwanted children in their own countries. In older children the problem is, that they do not speak the language of their adoptive parents. This leads to misunderstandings. I think that this is wrong. 2. This woman should have taken the little bou to a psychologist to find out why he was behaving like he did.

@mihailable6695

8 жыл бұрын

+Barbara Blättler In the US Orphan not less than Russia. But it is very demanding to the adoptive parents. To adopt a child from other countries should have only the money and desire. Therefore, the Americans go for children in other countries. In addition there is no control for the families who have adopted children are not American. This is great for the American adoptive parents. They get unlimited power over the adopted child. They're used to it. So they do not want to understand that this woman did not do the medical examination of the child. It did not take a psychologist. NOTHING! But for US, this is normal. American family to adopt a child .... so he is now happy. If he is not happy ... then he is crazy. Americans can only think so. Then they begin to fantasize. If this child is not happy in the US ...... then it regularly beat the Russian orphanage, and he can not love and be grateful. He evil and spoiled. Such a child can be dangerous. Approximately so think American adoptive parents. It is impossible to convince these people. If the system is to encourage that and introduces this opinion .... so it is necessary to close the Americans access to Russian children. Even when a Russian child killed in an American family ....... court looking for the perpetrators in Russia or blames the child. It can not be changed. The ban adoptions to Americans was approved by an overwhelming number of Russians. If the American zombies begin to heal Russian child .....will be even worse. Ritalin and the isolation finally break and destroy the immature child's mind. The smaller the child the more happening tragedy (the death of a child) in US foster families. Russian teens tend to find a way out. They seek the help of the school psychologist, the police or the Russian embassy. Therefore, with senior Russian children do not come of deadly tragedy in the United States Russian familes is willing to adopt orphans ... because there is government support for such families. crk58.narod.ru/dop/newsgorodiskie.png vlg-media.ru/images/photos/big/d9f63dd3f168f8c685c4e81160814165.jpg

@barbarablattler1305

8 жыл бұрын

+mihail able Thank you for this information. I have go no clue what is going on in the US. I live in Namibia.

@barbarablattler1305

8 жыл бұрын

+mihail able By the way, my sister's daugter in law originally came from Russia. Her ancesters were part of the german youngsters that were taken to Russia for cheap labour. I think this was after WW1. She has such a beautiful personality. I lover her a lot.

@Vegetarianj16

8 жыл бұрын

+Barbara Blättler It's not only the language barrier. Children in Russian and Romanian orphanages are not held as babies. Because of this, the lack of human touch, a certain area of the brain does not develop correctly and they are prone to disconnection, no empathy and no compassion. I was going to adopt from Russia, as that is where my mother is from. I wanted a child who looked like me. Yes, that might be selfish. When I started to read the statistics I got 3 dogs instead. (That's not meant to be a joke, either) My friend adopted a little girl from China who was left on the side of the road. She had such mental problems that she was institutionalized. They did all they could before. It's a sad situation.

@mihailable6695

8 жыл бұрын

Vegetarianj16 Have you been to Romania? Maybe you were in Russia? Your ears have received propaganda about Romanian orphanages in 1986 and you have no idea what now happens in Romanian orphanages. Now about Russia. 1.Rossiyskie orphanages have nothing in common with the Romanian orphanages. 2. Russian orphanages saved from death and given medical treatment and education to millions of Russian orphans. 3. Traditionally, most Russian of all newborn children for adoption. So very rarely -sirota child living in an orphanage from birth to adulthood. Such orphans no more than 3% in Russia. The rest of the orphans are social orphans. All of them have relatives or guardians. These children have the opportunity to meet, call up and visit these relatives. 4. Yes. In Russia, there is a category of orphans who have no guardians and must constantly live in an orphanage. It's tough, sick children with severe mental and physical pathologies. Americans and other foreigners usually do not adopt these children. Almost never ! Russians adopt these children more often than foreigners ..... but also very rarely. I write about the children who can not move independently, can not say .... they like vegetables ...... 5. Children with different diagnoses in Russia are of specialized children's homes where they receive care and treatment appropriate education. For example a deaf child will not live in an orphanage where children with cerebral palsy or Down syndrome. He will live in a specialized orphanage for deaf and blind children. Because in this orphanage are specialists who teach a child to speak and use the language of gestures. 6. In all Russian orphanages are specialists (massage therapists, psychologists, speech therapists, tutors physiotherapists etc ...) who care about the development and correction of these children. 7. You did the right thing is not adopted children in Russia. Russia needs these children. In addition, Russia has a lot of experience (many created by different methods) for the upbringing and education of orphans. 8.After collapse of the USSR there were many lost children .... House received very poor funding and had to survive. Children at that time fled from orphanages and replenished army of homeless children. The period of so-called freedom and democratization has been the worst period for the overwhelming majority of Russians (including orphans). This period is over 10 years ago. Now Russian children's homes receive sufficient funding. altruist.sumy.ua/nuzhna-pomoshh/internat/vizit-v-dom-malyutki.html

You do not "give back" an adopted child...period. You may have to arrange for your child to be placed in an institution if he has such severe issues that your family or your life is in danger--there ARE extreme circumstances that even good parenting may not resolve (though I think they are few and far between). But putting a kid on a plane and sending him back with a note saying "we don't want this kid any more" is so bizarrely insane that I wonder who really had the mental health issues here---the mother or the kid. And by the way--how's come we're not hearing from the father here? Where's "Dad"?

@gener4283

9 жыл бұрын

Good or bad behavior comes from the parents

@carriemccreery2235

9 жыл бұрын

As an adoptive parent, it was hard when my son located his bio mom a few years ago. However, it didn't change our relationship. He wasn't the easiest child to raise, but he turned out pretty good for the most part. He's a "keeper."

A child that spent 7 years in an orphanage has made his life there, with his friends, emotionally. To have him get adopted by a foreign family who speaks no Russian and does not understand the child is asking for major trouble. He evidently never adjusted but rebelled in frustration and unhappiness. I hope he makes it in his native country, and survives the experience in the US. These US " parents" need to stop any adoption process, anywhere. They evidently have more than they can handle. Sad story, all around.

I'm gonna go ahead and take the mother's side here. The orphanage workers told her she was getting a properly raised young man and she recieves a violent psychopath kid who kept assautling her and her family.

@mihailable6695

8 жыл бұрын

+homerun443 You can take the mother's side here. ... but there is the police and the court. There is a medical examination. For you are important words that stupid woman. But for court matters medical examination and contract terms. A woman can lie, do not know how to bring up children or the woman is inadequate ..

@AustinTexas6thStreet

8 жыл бұрын

The orphanages tend to Lie a lot and mislead couples into unknowingly adopting troubled kids they aren't prepared to deal with

@msblaqueink

8 жыл бұрын

+homerun443 say you are right and the kid is crazy. depending on when she adopted him, there is no way of knowing if he is mentally unstable if she adopted the child as an infant or even a toddler. how can you diagnose a 3 year old as, "crazy" when kids are prone to tantrums and acting out at this age anyway?

@homerun443

8 жыл бұрын

Russia Robinson He did threaten to murder her entire family.

@msblaqueink

8 жыл бұрын

maybe its just me but i find it hard to take a threat from a 7 year old seriously.

no one will ever know what she went through... its sad for the child and the family that want to make him apart of a them, truth be told she might of had a very dangerous child they do exist people just don't want to believe that children could hurt or kill even...

Give me a break, that's three cases of abuse out of 1600, don't tell me some Russian parents aren't violent as well to their adopted children ... Sometimes children don't bond to their adoptive parents or sometimes they're crazy and violent. now don't get me wrong what this woman did was absolutely wrong she should have accompanied the child back to Russia with a full explanation and gone over the problem. this was a complete cop out and absolutely not right she should possibly even be in court for this

@rosaliewhite3609

9 жыл бұрын

she should pay for what she has done to this child

@TheEddieStilson

9 жыл бұрын

rosalie white That's right! One million dollars. Payable to me.

I adopted a child from the dept. of social services. He was 4, already late. He lied and stole from us from the beginning and at eleven began to molest our adopted daughter. We had him removed safely as much as possible to a residentially treatment center. We stayed his parents with visits, family therapy, without any healing for him. Now an adult and out of jail, he still lives a life outside the law. I totally understand this mother's fear and frustration. She just needed to do the removal in a better way. Lucky for us, the state paid for his residential (many) treatment centers because he was from the system. For her as a private adoption, it would cost her hundreds of thousands. It is a very tough position to be in. We still care about our son and love him, but don't expect any mutual caring. It is very hard. Don't blame this mom. She really tried. She just didn't know of any resources that could have helped her. American service orgs are stressed.

what evil parents

@kksd2

8 жыл бұрын

+Luis Hernandez I think if I went to live with those parents, I WOULD burn down their house! just sayin!

@LuisHernandez-ox3bd

8 жыл бұрын

+kksd2 :)

@mappleswirl5299

8 жыл бұрын

+kksd2 my mom is trying to look over my shoulder and see what I'm doing… O.o

Let's get this straight, yes it is a child, yes it is a human being, but the parents shouldn't get any shade for trying to send the child back, this is far more serious than ordering a Gucci handbag on amazon and instead getting a coach, when a 7 year old adopted son threatens to kill you and your family and has picked neighborhood fights in the past and the soviet orphanage gave them someone else's papers with his name on it when the parents decided to adopt, you've got no other legal option to save your friends and family from that monster, that's right, he ain't no child cause he ain't even human, he's a monster, I would have satisfied if those parents had killed that child and use those pictures he drew of their house as evidence against their son to justify the murder. As a jurist, I'd rule any such defendant not guilty by reason of self defense.

sad story but I hate the guy telling it

Many years ago a US couple adopted Elisabeth, a girl that turned out to have Attachment Disorder and she was indeed violent and attempted to kill her younger brother in many occasions without feeling any remorse. All they did was seeking help from specialists, the girl did her therapy and changed attitudes (she's now a successful nurse). Their adoptive parents loved her, helped her and never regretted adopting her. There is a documentary here on YT "The Psychopathic Child" with intereviews and everything. That's what parents should do (natural or adoptive), loving and helping their children to overcome their difficulties, not returning them like a defective item and acting like an "unsatisfied customer seeking refund".

@mihailable6695

8 жыл бұрын

+Tziu Ricky "Many years ago a US couple adopted Elizabeth" The girl's name was Beth Thomas. This girl was born in the United States. Her mother died when Beth was 2 years old. Father systematically raped this girl. Then .... The police planted this maniac in prison. Religious family adopted Beth and her younger brother. The children lived in the family for almost 5 years .... In the end, the family refused to 6-year-old Beth and gave her to a family therapeutic Nancy Thomas. This mentally sick girl nge has no relation to the RAD. There were mental problems related to sexual trauma and genetic predisposition to sadism. Her own father was a sexual pervert. Further treatment system Beth Thomas was cruel experimentation and is classified as child abuse. It is Attachments therapy. The main methods of treatment are the so-called hunger, isolation, humiliation. Beth became a nurse. Super! :))) I do not trust her, even her dog. Maybe you can guess why the 35 year-old Beth Thomas has no family.? She has no children?. She has no boyfriend? As she meets the needs of the intimate? Guess yourself. It runs a midwife. There's blood pain and suffering. All that is necessary for a sadist. In addition, it propagandizing Attachments therapy. She teaches American adoptive parents how to properly educate (torment) adopted children. Do not dare compare. Artyom Savelyev, healthy and happy in the Russian family. This boy did not commit crimes in Russia. He did not commit crimes in the United States. Your Beth Thomas (Elizabeth) needed psychiatric examination and treatment. But she fell into the hands of charlatans. They made her a symbol for Attachments therapy. Your Beth -Elizabeth ..... must be have a large distance from the Russian orphans. Only real doctors should examine and treat Russian children.

@tziuriky86

8 жыл бұрын

mihail able Yeah I know she also was abused by her father and everything. I'm not sure about what's Beth's life today - but as a fact she's working with children herself now. She was not "abandoned" by her adoptive parents, they tried to get some help for her (then maybe it was the wrong therapy? I don't know). But my friend, I believe you misunderstood my point. My point was that the american woman who adopted Artyom Savelyev has decided to abandon him, instead of loving him, and she was complaining that he was evil or psychopath. I know he didn't commit any crimes :) If he has No psychological problems, I'm happy for him, and that American family should have loved him instead of sending him back. I hope you understand what I mean :) Best regards.

@mihailable6695

8 жыл бұрын

+Tziu Ricky Now I understand you. I agree with you . You wrote > This is mistake. There are 2 films (documentary and fiction) about this girl. Both films are lies and hypocrisy. In these films are silent that the adoptive parents brought up Beth for 5 years but never .... NEVER! It did not apply to psychologists and psychiatrists. They refused to Beth when she took off her brother with stairs, pierced his head and picking his his ass. Thereafter this incident ... this family refused Beth t give it into the hands of supporters Attachments therapy. Then Beth Thomas never return as this family and did not meet with his younger brother. Nancy Thomas breeder dogs and therapeutic mother held the girl through the course of therapy Attachments and actually broke it over his knee. The girl became degradability and obedient. Nancy Thomas adopted it and made his partner in advertising Attachments therapy. The film does not show fully what methods are used Attachments therapists. The filmmakers significantly embellished plot and distorted reality.

@tziuriky86

8 жыл бұрын

mihail able Thanks for the details my friend! It is very interesting (and very sad) how can some people in that country use children for their own advertisement and money! It reminds me the sad story of Genie Wiley, that was eventually left alone when the research money ran out.

@tziuriky86

8 жыл бұрын

mihail able The sotry of Oxana is also very interesting and sad how people abandoned her. I watched a small video about her, where she was demonstrating how she could bark like a dog.

I feel so much for this little boy. It is NOT the child's fault regardless of the situation yet it is he who is paying for it. He is a little boy...he does not deserve this

You're all focusing on the fact that she gave the child back and yes, that's fucking horrible, but what about the fact that the Russian orphanage did not tell her he was mentally unstable? Taking care of a mentally unstable child is a large fucking commitment and some people cannot handle it. She was trying to do her best considering the situation. I do not condone her giving the child back, at all, but I'm saying I can understand why the fuck she did. If you suddenly had a mentally ill child sprung upon you, without the appropriate training, without any previous experience and this child is being violent...I think you'd flip out (not send him back flip out, but flip out).

If She Is telling The Truth Then I feel She Did This To Protect the rest of her Family And I Do Not blame her

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

But you have to write a note "I weakling and a coward. I am afraid of 7-year-old child. I do not know how to raise other people's children. I'm selfish and I do not want to sacrifice my comfort for someone else's child. I'm sorry. I overestimated my strength and my abilities. " This is despicable but honestly. She tells a lie. But she believes in this lie. She wants to justify and compassion for yourself. She is unable to understand his mistake, because she can not feel sorry for other people. She is emotionally and socially immature. Artem unlike T.Hansen not comes up with horror stories. On the first day of arrival in Moscow, he talked about the fact that T.Hansen is not his mother and that she twitched his hair, and locked him in a room. Nothing else he did not say anything new and did not come up to the court and after the trial. T.Hansen constantly changed testimony and coming up with new details. The plot for a horror movie has increased as we approach to trial. Every time T.Hansen invented many new versions of creepy. But it can not show evidence and witness to lead. This is the most vivid indicator of sanity Artem and insanity T.Hansen. Children with mental disorders tend to come up with new and diverse lies and false accusations. Artem did not make it, but always expressed negative and ignore the personality of T.Hansen. This reaction is a normal and healthy in a conflict situation.

@valken666

9 жыл бұрын

I'd send the boy to prison if he said that to me, he's lucky.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

Valken First to present evidence. It is not known what he said but it is known that he did not do anything. Not constitute a crime. Crimes committed amerianskie usyviteli protivrsskih children. This is a fact. And against Russian teen ... American adoptive parents have not committed crimes. What does this mean? This means that the American adoptive parents are fighting against Russian toddlers (1-9 year olds). Normal? Supposedly kid grow up to be a killer if you do not start it re. Do not become a murderer! if you do not start to take aim at him with a rifle. Russia does not send you potontsealnyh killers. Russia sends you children razzorivshihsya and degraded during the American colonization (1992-2002) Russian families. These are the children of peasants and working-class children. The parents of these children during the post-Soviet period extinct in Russia. Died more than 5 million Russian population. Americans adopted their children and began to spread rot and humiliate. Allegedly, these children are mentally ill, mentally retarded, aggressive psychopaths. European adopters are not bullied and not humiliated Russian children. European adoptive parents did not kill Russian children. All deaths occurred in the United States.

@valken666

9 жыл бұрын

mihail able Criminal threats is the crime of putting someone in fear. California Penal Code 422 PC defines the crime of "criminal threats" (formerly known as terrorist threats). A "criminal threat" is when you threaten to kill or physically harm someone and 1. that person is thereby placed in a state of reasonably sustained fear for his/her safety or for the safety of his/her immediate family, 2. the threat is specific and unequivocal and 3. you communicate the threat verbally, in writing, or via an electronically transmitted device. Criminal threats can be charged whether or not you have the ability to carry out the threat...and even if you don't actually intend to execute the threat. Penal Code 422 PC is a wobbler, which means that prosecutors may file it as either a misdemeanor or a felony. If you are convicted of the misdemeanor, you face up to one year in a county jail. If you are convicted of the felony, you face up to four years in the California state prison.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

Valken 7-year-old child will go to jail because he threatened? :))) Americans are normal people or they drank brains? You need to properly educate American children. They systematically shoot and kill people. Point your efforts and your police in the right direction. Criminal law in different countries provides for different age of criminal responsibility: USA - 16 years. Russia-14 years. Is the threat of violence a criminal offense? Yes is. The threat to kill or cause grievous bodily harm provided item. 119 of the Criminal Code. The Russian Federation. The threat may be expressed in any form: oral, written, gestures, demonstration of weapons and so on. D. The content of the statement is a threat to the life or intent to cause serious bodily injury. Responsibility for the threat comes, if there is reason to fear the realization of this threat. In assessing the feasibility of the threat must be taken into account all the circumstances of the particular case: the situation of crime, the perpetrator and the victim's relationship and others. Special rules provided for increased responsibility for the threat to certain categories of persons, when there is an attack not only on the identity of the victim, but on a different object: justice, order management, the established order of military service. In such cases, liability arises under Art. 296, 309, 313, 318, 321, 333 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

I'd take him he can't be that bad

Fuck that I would of done the same if I thought my family or myself was in danger.

@mihailable6695

9 жыл бұрын

You do not have to adopt if you're afraid to foreign children. What is the problem? Who can make you adopt someone else's child? Nobody ..........

I am an adopted child. I think thus is sick because at that age he is probably confused by what is going on but kinda knows what is going on. If you took this child from his original living condition and showed him nurture and love and then gave that love away and turned it into fear and just scrapped it the child will turn out emotionally unstable. If that happened to me I would lose all of my rights, become very scared of trust, etc. I think this should just end.

@mattthecat9576

8 жыл бұрын

+Jacob Kinard - Were YOU a danger to your parents ?

@lukakinard4364

8 жыл бұрын

No

@Doriesep6622

8 жыл бұрын

+Jacob Kinard Love is not enough.

@mattthecat9576

8 жыл бұрын

Im glad it worked out well for you. I refused point blank to adopt that piece of shit.

@Doriesep6622

8 жыл бұрын

I don't know Nancy Thomas. Or her book. I was using the phrase because it is meaningful to me. I do not believe any book should be burned. Let the person reading it decide if it is worthy or not. Not someone else.

What the FUCK is WRONG with that woman!? Sure, it's not good that IFFFF they lied to her about his mental state But uhm.. CAN SOMEONE CHECK HERS!? For HELLS SAKE which GOOD and STABLE person WOULD EVEN CONSIDER putting a kid on his own on a fucking plane?!

(1) if this child was adopted as an infant or even a toddler it is difficult to diagnose a child as mentally unstable.( 2) if this "mother" had conceived a child that is mentally unstable, what would she do then? (3) did the mother exhaust all other options and resources to help the child such as medication, counseling, and other services? (4) even if the kid is mentally unstable, it does not justify her actions in sending him back. she should be prosecuted for her action, in this case, child neglect.

Attachment disorder is an extremely serious issue and if you don't think a child is capable of burning a house down..........well, study RAD. It's pretty scary. I wonder what services were offered to the family. I wonder how the child reacted to counseling. I rather think she was scared of him. What a weird way to deal with it. Just strange of her. In some cases, RAD kids end up institutionalized because they can't learn to bond.

(If what she says is true) I'm sorry, but I agree with mom. She did not ask to have a child with special needs, and not everyone can handle that. She did her best until she felt her family and self was in danger, from this boy. Yes, even small kids can kill, and it is scarier because they don't know the after effect and how it is wrong. They should NOT have sent a special needs child to someone who was not ready for one and brought this on themselves when they did. Of course the child needs a home, but if he has special needs, it needs to be the right home. I'm sorry if I were in her shoes, I would do the same. Of course I'd feel bad, but I would do it. Also if they are so pissed over how americans treat the kids adopted from there, maybe you should take a look at your matching and background check system.

People think adoption is easy. It's not and this woman is just evil! She does not know what goes into adoption, the pros and cons. She did not have enough info on whoever she was adopting and look what she did! Pure evil!

This woman should go to jail for abandonment of a child. He put him in danger.

2011 Russian schoolchildren Samolёtova Maria and Alexander Bondarchuk, became the winners of the World Championship of geographic in San Francisco (USA) in the national team. 2012 Four young programmers (schoolchildren) from Russia were the winners at the International Olympiad in Informatics 4 gold medals. 2013 Bern held the 24th International Biology Olympiad. Russian schoolchildren won two gold and two silver medals. 2014 Russian schoolchildren returned from Vietnam with a record number of medals. They are the winners of the International Chemistry Olympiad. Three gold and one silver medal 2015 Young Russian mathematicians (schoolchildren) have won the seventh International Olympiad, which was held in Romania. Students from Novosibirsk, Tomsk, St. Petersburg and Ulyanovsk outperformed their closest rivals from the United States and China. In the individual standings second place also won the Russian student. Russian children each year are brought to Russia medals. Americans, however, firmly believe that all Russian children were conceived in a drunken stupor. All have FASD. Maybe enough to mock Russia and Russian children?

i would hsve sent his ass back. If a child is mentally unstable. I dont care how cute he is. When you bring someone into your home into your world and that person is unstable talking about burning down your 🏡....damn right. She should have brought him back herself.

Thats so sad, Adoption you cant just say I dont want you anymore and take him back.

When he was adopted he became a US citizen. You sent a US citizen to another country, on his own, with just a note. If you couldn't handle his behaviour, you should have sent him to an American orphanage where he would stand a better chance of getting the treatment he needs. You now need to hope he doesn't come back to visit you later in his life.

Absolutely disgraceful!