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  • @YarnellCrew
    @YarnellCrew Жыл бұрын

    Love this, I think the only thing I would do different is once a number hits and 36 goes on the 8 that would become the "base" of all my towers to come for that shooter. So for example let's say you hit a 6, 5, 5. So you have 108 on the 8. Then next roll you hit the 8. Instead of taking the 8 down completely you take it down to the base $36. So if you hit the 8 again before another number it isn't bare and you would make a little extra then if you would have just taken the $36 down. I understand if you hit the 7 then you forgo that extra $36 dollars but, I like the idea of the 8 being covered for the rest of the roll.

  • @jimwitmer2765
    @jimwitmer2765 Жыл бұрын

    Definitely a potential winner (as any strat can be); certainly a fun strategy! Thx, Crappy. Glad ur back!

  • @crapshack99
    @crapshack99 Жыл бұрын

    Plunk it on the 8! Glad to see you again Crappy, always enjoy your videos + honesty!

  • @modularcuriosity
    @modularcuriosity Жыл бұрын

    I don't care about mistakes, I just enjoy watching your videos. Keep it up buddy.

  • @trafficbaltimorecity8297
    @trafficbaltimorecity8297 Жыл бұрын

    Man. Nice to finally see you back on here. Cold table with feed6/8 is a good one

  • @stevencurtin7230
    @stevencurtin7230 Жыл бұрын

    Great to see you doing another video. I will be in Charlotte for Thanksgiving week.

  • @douglascarlsen9220
    @douglascarlsen9220 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the vid! Good to have you back on

  • @jgarcia1883
    @jgarcia1883 Жыл бұрын

    Love your videos. Don't worry about the people that dont know how to give feedback. the likes and views will be more than the negatives. most viewers won't even like or comment but they enjoy the videos. I myself am a beginner craps player and I get a lot of education. One recommendation would be to get a friend to pay chips and reel the dice and call out so you can shoot from the long side of the table and talk strategies. Thanks for the videos keep on shooting.

  • @lowlyworm468
    @lowlyworm468 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for all your videos! do your best and forget all negative!

  • @j.p.marion5377
    @j.p.marion5377 Жыл бұрын

    I'm liking the power tower! Definitely would be fun to hit a big tower! I'm a new sub, referred to you by the Color Up channel. I'm going to check out your cold table strategy next! 👍

  • @isaackaitz2297
    @isaackaitz2297 Жыл бұрын

    The only mistake you made was not making a video in a while. Thanks for this one.

  • @ItsClayG
    @ItsClayG Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for sharing this great strategy! I tried it tonight and had a great run of luck. Very profitable and super fun! Thanks!

  • @bryanp9832
    @bryanp9832 Жыл бұрын

    Glad you’re back! We were kind of worried about you brother!!!

  • @tonyholland3110
    @tonyholland3110 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the great videos. Would be interesting to see this method along with a 100.00 dont pass to help hedge against the 7. Would be similar to Waylon’s greatest hybrid strategy.

  • @deshonydo1433
    @deshonydo1433 Жыл бұрын

    I hear you about not having a chance to go to casinos. There are none near me these past 7 years. The closest one is 4 hours away and sometimes when I get there it's not even open...so a 4-hour drive home. Mostly I wait and play in Nevada 1000 miles south of me. In between I watch videos on you tube since Covid came to all of us. These days I am lucky to get a couple trips a year. Thank you for giving me choices with limited play time

  • @wesleymalone1913
    @wesleymalone1913 Жыл бұрын

    "They lie they lie" 😂 you're by far the best craps channel

  • @alvinlester6842
    @alvinlester6842 Жыл бұрын

    I enjoyed your video and appreciate your honesty! I’m liking and subscribing !

  • @williamde7676
    @williamde7676 Жыл бұрын

    Glad to see you making videos again.

  • @anti-government7626
    @anti-government7626 Жыл бұрын

    Good to see you back Sir!

  • @tompedersen6021
    @tompedersen6021 Жыл бұрын

    Always enjoy your video’s

  • @crapsuniversity4294
    @crapsuniversity4294 Жыл бұрын

    Great to see you back on KZread Crappy! It's been too long. :)

  • @koolpods
    @koolpods Жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love this strategy, thanks for showing it to us. Ive determined that you need around a 17-18 roll on average to make it better to leave the tower on the 8, otherwise like you said, it's better to just collect all of it. obviously pretty rare you get a 20+ roll, BUT, if you do and you leave the tower when you hit, you can make some insane profits. I was testing it on a color up video crazy 37 roll and you would profit $4100 with this exact strategy on a $25 table. Next time im playing craps I plan to play a slight variation of this strategy if the table seems hot, or your cold strategy if the tables cold, really love that one too. If my brother and I knew about your cold strategy, we would have absolutely crushed Vegas this past week, we played through maybe 20 shooters total the whole trip and had 7 point 7 outs, the dice were unbelievably cold

  • @carrolltucker
    @carrolltucker Жыл бұрын

    Love your videos!!!!!!!

  • @brandonp9967
    @brandonp9967 Жыл бұрын

    Definitely will try out the strategy next week in LV.

  • @waylonswaycraps
    @waylonswaycraps Жыл бұрын

    Great to see you back brother! Appreciate yah

  • @duracell87
    @duracell87 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video. Good to see ya. Many just want to criticize without participating. I find it’s much easier to make bets on a craps app. Eg aww craps or crapsee. And do manual rolls on my practice rig.

  • @snewogerg
    @snewogerg Жыл бұрын

    I love your videos. Thank you. Still like "I can't believe this wins" strategy. It's not perfect, but I can play for hours.

  • @nichoasselby750
    @nichoasselby750 Жыл бұрын

    glad to see you back,cappy. gettin concened about you. Love you stategies and your ryhming. seen you go to strat all over craps shows and I always smile cause I know where they got it. Must be a hard life for those ninnies who have to have eveything perfect always.

  • @mikebehning2179
    @mikebehning2179 Жыл бұрын

    Great video Crappy. It’s to rich for my low roller budget. Hopefully we are on the same cruise ship in February

  • @tadvanallen
    @tadvanallen Жыл бұрын

    You had me at Win or Bust.. haha

  • @jeffnoble9757
    @jeffnoble9757 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you, I really enjoyed watching the TOWER

  • @virginpulsewrestling8894
    @virginpulsewrestling8894 Жыл бұрын

    Great video! Jeremy at Color Up sent me here and I subscribed. Don’t worry about the haters. Nobody is perfect. Especially the haters. Keep up the great work!

  • @izzysdad1631
    @izzysdad1631 Жыл бұрын

    Welcome back Crappy!!! You been missed!

  • @salgueroart6895
    @salgueroart6895 Жыл бұрын

    Tried this strategy last week worked like a charm made money in less than an hour.

  • @bluejayway6125
    @bluejayway6125 Жыл бұрын

    Great to see you back Crappy!

  • @dustedone
    @dustedone Жыл бұрын

    I do a lot of rollout sampling. I leave a note in the comments just to remind me that I had been to your post.

  • @cluelesscraps3653
    @cluelesscraps3653 Жыл бұрын

    Happy to see ya back brother

  • @bobm4006
    @bobm4006 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the video! Is there a statistical advantage to not leaving your bets working on the come out?

  • @RaceRabbit
    @RaceRabbit Жыл бұрын

    Looks like a fun strategy! I like the tower!

  • @jessegoucher8813
    @jessegoucher8813 Жыл бұрын

    Well, great to see you again

  • @Joeysav1
    @Joeysav110 ай бұрын

    Hi crappy, I’m new here just started learning Craps. I just wanted to let you know I really like your videos show me the other craps video guys are completely obnoxious and I can’t even watch them. I’ve really enjoy the work you do here. Thank you.

  • @peterszuba
    @peterszuba Жыл бұрын

    fyi: you said you were going on a cruise in Feb. If it's Carnival, they have $5.00 tables. Love the videos! Thx!!

  • @froston4
    @froston4 Жыл бұрын

    I had $300+ working off a $66 across start ($15 table) w/ every number stacked up over $60. It was the most fun i’ve ever had rolling (45 min roll) Pulling it all down woulda been a whole lot more profit but i had some serious “house money” working

  • @froston4

    @froston4

    Жыл бұрын

    Also, i rolled five 8’s in a row & had that sucker over $100… needless to say it was electric

  • @jimmynoblett2909
    @jimmynoblett2909 Жыл бұрын

    Good to see a new video

  • @rudytroy1844
    @rudytroy1844 Жыл бұрын

    Hey crappy when I am in Vegas I go to a 5 dollars craps table and play the pass line with 300 dollars bank roll and start with 5 dollars bet and each time I lose I rebet and increase by 5 dollars I only have to hit 7 out of 11 rolls of the dice and go back down to 5 dollars and start over

  • @marksimerly9405
    @marksimerly9405 Жыл бұрын

    Hey Crappy thanks so much for your videos! I just discovered them. This one looks fun and I like the cold table plus your new hops play. My question is this: How long do you wait to move between say this strategy and a cold table strategy? 5 shooters? 10?

  • @josephwilks337
    @josephwilks337 Жыл бұрын

    Hey Crappy, I like your videos. Thanks

  • @OneLuv777
    @OneLuv777 Жыл бұрын

    I love the cold table strategy I’ve won big time most of the time I’ve won but the last 2 times i was having issues getting my come and don’t come set they would crap out before I can get the bets set. I usually tell the dealer not action when the don’t come number is 6&8 but I started to have to take it just so I can get my bets set it’s like those warm tables when it’s not hot or cold the winning and loosing at the same time and that sucks cause you can’t get any strategy going

  • @carlputnam7997
    @carlputnam7997 Жыл бұрын

    I live in upstate South Carolina would love to go to Cherokee sometime with you and play

  • @briang6227
    @briang6227 Жыл бұрын

    Great strat! I’m thinking if you had 2 players, one could play Tower, the other play cold table as a hedge. Walk away when the Tower player hits a big one. Thoughts?

  • @jessegoucher8813
    @jessegoucher8813 Жыл бұрын

    Hey, Cappy, I seen that Color Up, made a video on your strategy - Tower

  • @PointSevenOut
    @PointSevenOut Жыл бұрын

    Everybody makes mistakes and we all get excited when we find them. Some are better than others at pointing them out, so don't sweat it!

  • @dynjarren8355
    @dynjarren8355 Жыл бұрын

    I was wondering what happened to you? Do you know Waylon? He plays the DP and DC like you do. I’m glad you’re back! And I’m wondering what you’re going to come up with next? Thanks! 👏🏻

  • @timothydobay41
    @timothydobay41 Жыл бұрын

    Nice strategy. I'll be trying this on my casino's $15 table soon.

  • @eefbhoff
    @eefbhoff Жыл бұрын

    Great video. thanks

  • @Duke-hw9ld
    @Duke-hw9ld Жыл бұрын

    Have you thought about controlling your throw like the Dominator does? I think the two combined together would make you a more profitable player! I would like to hear your reply to my question if you don’t mind!

  • @harrywingate252
    @harrywingate252 Жыл бұрын

    Love your content and this strat. I rolled this out on Crapsee but I went $110 on the inside and would regress the 8 back to $30 everytime. That way you can same bet the 8 when it hits before you have time to build the tower

  • @threeheadedeagle2712

    @threeheadedeagle2712

    Жыл бұрын

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  • @threeheadedeagle2712

    @threeheadedeagle2712

    Жыл бұрын

    ⁰0))0

  • @devonkillebrew6325
    @devonkillebrew6325 Жыл бұрын

    The definition of trust the process.

  • @danielxlai9425
    @danielxlai9425 Жыл бұрын

    C Mon man really 😂 s You should request they put the ATM next to your crap table

  • @bmathesen248
    @bmathesen248 Жыл бұрын

    Welcome back Crappy!!!!!

  • @johnrobertjones909
    @johnrobertjones909 Жыл бұрын

    Two tower’s on the 6 & 8… build with 5, 9 and Field? $50 on both the DPL and PL…take Options on DPL after point is established. $30 on 5 & 9 and $15 on Field. Off on come out. Thanks for the craps KZread, Crappy!

  • @shirleyrichard-qv9lw

    @shirleyrichard-qv9lw

    Жыл бұрын

    More consistent wins , but not nearly as dramatic or entertaining !

  • @obiwonton369
    @obiwonton369 Жыл бұрын

    Tune out the trolls they got too much time to bum us all out. Keep on rolling.

  • @brandonlane1683
    @brandonlane1683 Жыл бұрын

    What size is your table ?

  • @bryanhurdle2992
    @bryanhurdle2992 Жыл бұрын

    Why is it called a tower if you take it down after one or two hits every time?

  • @angrypuppyca
    @angrypuppyca7 ай бұрын

    What about expanding to 4 and 10 after a couple hits on the 8?

  • @jeffs.2752
    @jeffs.2752 Жыл бұрын

    I go to a casino that is the only craps table in town. When i go to vegas it is easy to pick up and find another table, would be curious to see how you switch strategies or stick to it and then reset.

  • @crappythecrapsman1107

    @crappythecrapsman1107

    Жыл бұрын

    I play one strategy 10 shooters. If I win I play again the same If I lose I grind cold table till I get my bankroll back So far never let me down. Then go back to a 10 shooters strategy. Over and over Sometimes 12 hours straight

  • @johndawson7516
    @johndawson7516 Жыл бұрын

    I’ve been a very infrequent craps player that never had a real strategy….. I play once a year or so but never big money. Just a few hundred here and there for fun. Most of the time I lose it. I found your channel the other day and have watched quite a few videos. I appreciate the strategies and info. I’ve been practicing with an iOS craps game but it seems like it never hits hot streaks… I’ll go through 15 to 20 shooters without any significant streak and then you’ll catch a single one and it is cold for quite a while. I suppose that is the chances you run in real life but it seems weighted. Do any casinos force you to play pass / don’t pass on the come out bet in order to make place bets (if you are not the shooter)? I am going to go next week for the first time to play craps in over a year…. Up until now I always bet on the pass or don’t pass on the come out….

  • @ericl6906

    @ericl6906

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm sure there may be some casinos out there that may have a rule like that, but the casinos I have been to only force the shooter to play the pass or don't pass. I am a place better only until I shoot and no casino I've ever visited have I seen them enforce a line bet aside from the shooter.

  • @chetmanly900

    @chetmanly900

    Жыл бұрын

    Agree with Eric. Been to casinos in Washington, Nevada, Florida, and California and I've never come across a rule like that. Only forced bet I know of is if you want to shoot you play either pass or don't pass.

  • @trevorcochrane3955
    @trevorcochrane39557 ай бұрын

    Does it matter tower build the six instead of the eight?

  • @zxmpsychiatry7602
    @zxmpsychiatry7602 Жыл бұрын

    looks fun. seems like you could use 6 as your tower also

  • @drdontpassone8164
    @drdontpassone8164 Жыл бұрын

    cold tablestrategy-----where found ie tape name

  • @bam3051
    @bam3051 Жыл бұрын

    Ignore the negative nellies, I enjoy your content.

  • @ryanmcleod5715
    @ryanmcleod5715 Жыл бұрын

    Crappy what do you do when the table is cold and you have to switch to cold table. I know you say you want enough for 10 shooters so that’s a 1,000 do you carry that extra bankroll if you have to start playing the cold table? Or do you just play with the original bankroll you had that you lost on to start playing cold table strategy. What if it’s like 2-300 wont take long at 100 a shooter for that to go. Any advice be great hope your doing well.

  • @crappythecrapsman1107

    @crappythecrapsman1107

    Жыл бұрын

    Cold table is not for 10 shooters. I play it as long as it takes to recover if I lose on a plus side strategy after 10 shooters. Then start over with a plus side strategy whatever it is. Works about 90% of the time but there is always that 10%. Lol. You can alway lose in craps. If we didn’t they wouldn’t have it at the casino Thank you for the comment will address it further in my next video

  • @drdontpassone8164
    @drdontpassone8164 Жыл бұрын

    crappysback.......luv his work

  • @Dark_Crown
    @Dark_Crown Жыл бұрын

    Anytime someone ask about that cold table strategy that Color Up did I always link them your video. I tell them to get it from the source.

  • @ColorUp

    @ColorUp

    Жыл бұрын

    me too

  • @Dark_Crown

    @Dark_Crown

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ColorUp I'm glad you gave it the proper exposure it deserves. Crappy has excellent content. This one is one the best.

  • @ColorUp

    @ColorUp

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Dark_Crown yeah, I’m a fan. I’m going to do another video of his

  • @blackmacgyver9965
    @blackmacgyver9965 Жыл бұрын

    Crappy I think if you added a field bet for your tower strategy would really make that tower hit great 👍🏾

  • @steventran3744
    @steventran3744 Жыл бұрын

    Is the cold strategy the 4 chips: don’t pass, come, come, don’t pass strategy?

  • @redknightprez

    @redknightprez

    Жыл бұрын

    Almost. DP, Come, Come, DC

  • @Dark_Crown
    @Dark_Crown Жыл бұрын

    If you have time just do rollout videos. Miss you and your commentary.

  • @bigsexyjde77
    @bigsexyjde77 Жыл бұрын

    Good to see ya back

  • @madcows2094
    @madcows2094 Жыл бұрын

    color up says hi

  • @brandonlane1683
    @brandonlane1683 Жыл бұрын

    What are the table min at cherokee casino for craps ?

  • @crappythecrapsman1107

    @crappythecrapsman1107

    Жыл бұрын

    15

  • @chrisbrodbeck1961
    @chrisbrodbeck1961 Жыл бұрын

    I know a really good bouncy table that's perfect for the cold strat...

  • @O-Man53
    @O-Man53 Жыл бұрын

    Crappy is BACK!!!

  • @michaelstokum3230
    @michaelstokum3230 Жыл бұрын

    What about 2 numbers?

  • @jbarlak
    @jbarlakАй бұрын

    lol yeah people at the table aren’t caring about it.

  • @AiyaniaSavannah
    @AiyaniaSavannah Жыл бұрын

    Whats with the betting 36 exactly?

  • @crappythecrapsman1107

    @crappythecrapsman1107

    Жыл бұрын

    Multiple s of 6 on the 6&8. Multiple s of 5 on the 5&9 and 4&10 to make the bets right

  • @billcollins4654
    @billcollins4654 Жыл бұрын

    What I see is that you might be re-risking 4 or 5 already won bets trying for a 7/6 payout that you can finally rack, IF and only IF the 8 hits before the 7. Math is favoring the 7 or the 8. Might be fun, but I question it's profitability?

  • @crappythecrapsman1107

    @crappythecrapsman1107

    Жыл бұрын

    With six ways to hit the seven and only five ways to hit the eight I see how the math is real. The idea is to double all of the bets That you already hit. It’s the same thing as pressing your bet which people do all the time but putting it all on one number. As for profitability I have never lost everything of the original bank roll in 10 shooters only small amounts but I have one huge before several times

  • @billcollins4654

    @billcollins4654

    Жыл бұрын

    @@crappythecrapsman1107 But a single hit on 8 doesn't win double those previous wins, if it did, you'd have triple the total of your previous wins when you collect? Right? Seems right to me?

  • @crappythecrapsman1107

    @crappythecrapsman1107

    Жыл бұрын

    @@billcollins4654 2 hits at 35 each that’s 70 with the $2 that you add you hit the 8 get $84 take the $70 down from the previous hits and your $2 you had to add $154 collect on your 3 hits with 0 on the 8 to start Hopefully you can do this more than once on a good shooter. To make up for the losses were you never collect at all

  • @crappythecrapsman1107

    @crappythecrapsman1107

    Жыл бұрын

    I do respect your opinion bill. Most definitely. I’ve been trying to find a way to get the advantage on the seven but there really is no way every time you hatch one way you take away from your wins. I’ve spent weeks and weeks over and over trying every different way the inventors of the game didn’t make a hole lol

  • @billcollins4654

    @billcollins4654

    Жыл бұрын

    @@crappythecrapsman1107 The average played hasn't any idea of what his best sets are for any particular bet. I spent the 7 or so years writing my own craps spreadsheet that gives me that info for any bet I want to make, ranking the sets in descending order for each different bet. These sets give me fewest 7's AND most hits. It helps. Every logged L/R toss is transposed into what it would have been for each of the 576 different ways you can set the dice, so info can't hide from me.

  • @dustedone
    @dustedone Жыл бұрын

    Nice rollout; session summary: 62 wins; $8595 total profit. 1 parlay win, 3 zigzag ABS and 4 zig ABS wins.

  • @billcollins4654

    @billcollins4654

    Жыл бұрын

    I have no idea what you tried to convey with all the zigging and zagging and ABSing. Can you rephrase it so I can get your drift? ;)

  • @carrolltucker

    @carrolltucker

    Жыл бұрын

    @@billcollins4654 Same here

  • @dustedone

    @dustedone

    Жыл бұрын

    Carroll and Bill, the parlay is an easy one right? I parlayed the ELEVEN. The two other wager ABS is for Accelerated Betting Schedules. The zigzag ABS is a two way move that pay $1K; the zig ABS is the same bet but the second part of the two part move is not achieved that pays $500. The zigzag was dubbed by the bankroll graph. The line on the graph looks like a Z.

  • @billcollins4654

    @billcollins4654

    Жыл бұрын

    @@dustedone I almost know more than I did before reading this?

  • @carrolltucker

    @carrolltucker

    Жыл бұрын

    @@dustedone Thanks for the information

  • @christopheralvarez6076
    @christopheralvarez6076 Жыл бұрын

    Finally another crappy video! I mean that in a good way lol

  • @thomasrand5913
    @thomasrand5913 Жыл бұрын

    Instead of $25 9, why not a $15 9 and a $10 field bet. Then you press with every roll of the dice.

  • @broncorik2268
    @broncorik2268 Жыл бұрын

    Crappy the craps man

  • @phillipharris9845
    @phillipharris9845 Жыл бұрын

    Potential...Yes, but there are alot of wasted rolls

  • @jameskotsch8271
    @jameskotsch8271 Жыл бұрын

    you do not have a choice when you roll you have to bet the pass or don't pass

  • @davidmosier8625
    @davidmosier8625 Жыл бұрын

    I ran it for one shooter on crapsee while watching and hit for 616 dollars fake money of course

  • @Old_Mansplaining
    @Old_Mansplaining Жыл бұрын

    Remember group always double up to ketchup.

  • @shirleyrichard-qv9lw

    @shirleyrichard-qv9lw

    Жыл бұрын

    Murdering Marti

  • @terrencebanks9468
    @terrencebanks9468 Жыл бұрын

    Take it from someone who plays daily in Vegas vs you sometimes in hick towns..

  • @garysharp8871
    @garysharp8871 Жыл бұрын

    Lol I only like to play games that gives me a mathematical advantage and this game is not one of them

  • @shirleyrichard-qv9lw

    @shirleyrichard-qv9lw

    Жыл бұрын

    The Mathematical Advantage is there ! Simple math ( dealing with numbers ) . BEFORE rolling begins , the outcomes of the rolls has already been graphed !

  • @Mr.Caring
    @Mr.Caring Жыл бұрын

    Um.m. Cool video . Nice. Were made in HIS image. HE made us with the power of free choice A good prayer: I'm a sinner JESUS please forgive me for all my sins I know you shed your Blood for me on the cross at Calvary. Thank you JESUS for my salvation and for shedding they Blood for me. I love you JESUS. Romans 10:5/10 ct...❤️k JESUSisLord!Amen... Amen.. If you'd like to call someone who cares 83 For Truth. bc you don't know when you'll die? .y r u hesitant.

  • @terrencebanks9468
    @terrencebanks9468 Жыл бұрын

    No such thing as a hot or cold table. Always "Math" probability revealing itself in it's various forms. Sound silly saying that. The table has no temperature. Only you do!!!

  • @terrencebanks9468
    @terrencebanks9468 Жыл бұрын

    No such thing as "I would've won" place the bet like a real table. 7 was the come out and u weren't on it. You don't win anything!!!

  • @shirleyrichard-qv9lw

    @shirleyrichard-qv9lw

    Жыл бұрын

    Right ! From Pass line to DC ( hop Reds for PSO prevention ) , or lay Point to move DC to table . From there , is no more stress . When Point hits and wins as they do , you are given a free DC bet by casino (that wins on 7 ) for stress-free place bets !

  • @martinhusted
    @martinhusted Жыл бұрын

    not a great method. The best odds is taking the odds on a point, never mentioned

  • @shirleyrichard-qv9lw

    @shirleyrichard-qv9lw

    Жыл бұрын

    Which casino paid you to say that ?