I remember running a Spyre gang back in the old necromunda, literally only had 5 in the gang and that was it but that’s all you needed!!!

@margaretwood152

2 ай бұрын

Did they look like the WarHammer Aethsthetic❓ -or- did they look more like they do now: a Mirror image of Corvus Belli's INFINITY❓

@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954

2 ай бұрын

@@margaretwood152 Spyrers first appeared in Necromunda back in 1996 (nine years before Infinity came into existence as a game system in 2005), and back then the lore already stated that Spire Hunters used non-standard technology in the Spyrer hunting rigs that was canonically of (extremely illegal in the Imperium) Xenos origin and didn't look like other Imperial technology, tending toward a sleeker and more high tech appearance. In the early 2000s it was suggested that the Tau might be building the Spyrer suits and smuggling them into the Imperium for their own reasons, but that does not seem to be the case anymore because the visual lexicon of Tau technology is better established today than it was in 2001, and the Spyrer suits have a different aesthetic and technological style to that of the Tau, so maybe it is tech from one of the Tau client species or another Xenos source. Either way, the sleeker, more integrated and high tech look of Spyrer technology has been part of the character of the faction since they were first introduced. Any visual similarity to Infinity designs is most likely simply due to both sets of models being closer to more widely recognisable tropes of futuristic high technology than the Imperium's more eclectic technology base usually is.

From what I understand of the Van Saar, their gear and style is directly from the Dark Age of Technology (Humanity's high tech golden age before the Age of Strife) so it makes sense that they look very different from the Imperium's grim gothic stuff.

I have always found Spyrers to be an intriguing faction in Necromunda - bored and psychotic, entitled Spire nobles who basically channel the Yautja (which I suppose makes their battles with Malstrain Genestealers Necromunda style Alien versus Predator?) and go on big game hunts to the Underhive where various Gangers (and even the odd unfortunate Enforcer) are the game. The most dangerous game, only using futuristic, high tech hunting suits.

@jiado6893

2 ай бұрын

In the older editions, wasn't there also lore about bored nobles who hunted gangers for sports while dressed as superheroes? And they had sidekick slaves?

@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954

2 ай бұрын

@@jiado6893 It was definitely bored, psychotic Spire Nobles hunting Gangers for sport in some dissolute version of a noble hunting tradition back in the original lore, since they saw the Underhivers as essentially subhuman and good for little else. That lore seems to have been tweaked a bit now, and Spyrers are all off shoots in one way or another of House Helmawr, and their hunts are in part used to demonstrate their personal combat prowess and thus, supposedly, their fitness to wield power one day (that doesn't make sense, but this is a decadent Imperial Noble House we are talking about, so weirdness is mandatory). That is why hunting the more dangerous Malstrain Genestealers offers more prestige and status to a Spyrer than hunting human(ish) Gangers. With all that said, I am sure there is also still plenty of room for good old fashioned bored, unhinged noble weirdoes who use high tech combat suits to hunt Gangers just for the hell of it - this is still the Grimdark Imperium after all.

Necromunda just has my favourite sculpts. Then Bloodbowl.

Kayvaan Shrike kitbash potential is off the charts.

Necromunda devs are going sicko mode, and I’m here for it.

@margaretwood152

2 ай бұрын

No Doubt (?) "Is this WarHammer❓ -or- is it Corvus Belli's INFINITY❓ (🤔I can't tell the difference) "Whatever it is M8, it's *_GW's_* ©IP _now."_

Those reimagined Spyrer models are very tasty indeed. Add in the heavier Orrus suits from Saturday's preview and you have a decent range of armour and weapon load out styles to choose from. Since Spyrers were always the most elite of gangs in Necromunda, it seems likely their model count per gang will remain low in their new incarnation, which makes the relatively small number of poses much less of an issue.

Getting two copies of each body - but with a ton of arm, head and upgrade options - is a Necromunda staple. To the best of my knowledge every single Necromunda box consists of two copies of the same sprue. But unlike, say, AoS kits that use the same trick (looking at you, most of Stormcast) you’re not at any risk of getting a gang of clones, because the kits are built to be extremely versatile. As a general rule, every body in a given gang can use every head and every set of arms in that same gang, and the game is so encouraging of kitbashing that you are likely to end up sprinkling in all sorts of weirdness anyway.

Loved the OG models of these back in the day. Can not wait to see what GW has planed for the Patriarch and Matriarch, those were awesome back in the day. The Patriarch had four Mechadendrite arms, two with power claws and two with pulse lasers that can track and target multiple opponents. And the Matriarch dual-wield a large chainscythe and a Monomolecular Sword.

Hive Secondus does not fail to surprise me. THIS by far is GW's Best game presented so far!!! I want 2 of them!!!

Oh I wish I had some pictures of the Spyrers from the 90s to hold side by side with these. They really do remind me of them so much, that’s the thing about Necromunda, it screams so much nostalgia at me with almost every release… makes me wonder whether they’ll ever do the Vampyre gangs (from a supplement magazine back then that I can’t remember the name of off the top of my head) or the Pit Slave gangs in a supplement?

The heavy Spyre Hunters have a similar silhouette to the Ambul/Ambot, nice to see a thematic coherence even in the mad world of Necromunda.

In one of the older Codex: Tau, there was a reference to the Spyrer Rigs being technology sold to the gangers by the Tau. For that reason I've wanted to see a modern version of those models ever since. Perhaps the basis for a Tau close-combat battlesuit? Maybe piloted by gue'vesa rather than Tau?

@keithmoore7629

2 ай бұрын

That’s probably been retconned now these suits don’t look like tau technology unless it’s one of the tau empire races…🤔

@Perserra

2 ай бұрын

@keithmoore7629 There's strong evidence besides a couple lines in an old codex. They kept the old names for the suits, which are all words in the Tau language that correspond to each suit's function: Orrus = Or'es - Powerful Jakara = J'karaa - Mirror Malcadon = Mal'caor - Spider Yeld = Y'eldi - Winged The Matriarch and Patriarch look a lot more like standard Imperial tech though, so they might be hybrids.

Going back to the 90s game, a Spyrer Hunters gang would usually be only 4 or 5 members - they were expensive. (And elite). The gangs themselves are 2 duplicate sprues, so there would be multiples of the same pose, but give how customisable the game is, it was easier to hide that. But my guess is the Spyrers will have 2 light sprues, and 2 heavy sprues. It'll be interesting to see if they add any options for the heavy pattern armour other than Orrus now.

Spyrers used to be very expensive in credits. So happy to see them retun!!!

I'm always happy to see more stuff available for Necromunda, it's a great game and I wish I played it more often.

I wish they had just one more model in the box... purely for the selfish reason of 'I could 100% see using these as Purestrain Genestealers for my space pirates who are sometimes Guard and sometimes GSC'. They're like, the pointiest non-Chaos humans ever. Heck I might still do that tbh. Maybe use one of the bigger battlesuit ones as a Patriarch... Gods Necromunda is good.

Hobby commentary, ever-agreeable character _and_ (albeit unintentional) attire-saving pro-tip at the end. 👏🏻

Man these are nice. I feel you could really go to town on these to make some unsettling Dark Eldar or Necron Flayed ones.

I want all of these but with more wing options then would make awesome Vespid Stingwing proxies

The minis remind me more of infinity than 40K. Not a bad thing though

@rutgaurxi7314

2 ай бұрын

New, less sexy Infinity though... I hate current CB, they're just as cowardly as GDubbs in a lot of ways.

@natecar1

2 ай бұрын

@@rutgaurxi7314 how so?

I’d been really looking forward to seeing how GW would update the Spyre Hunters, must say I really love the new look!

its wild that 40k is by far the biggest when literally all the other games have better models over all

@latrodectusmactans7592

2 ай бұрын

There are a few armies that I think have really good aesthetics (Genestealer Cults and Adeptus Mechanicus), but most of 40k is just generic power armor and doesn’t go weird enough.

@YourStylesGeneric321

2 ай бұрын

​@@latrodectusmactans7592Space marines >

@jesterprince4949

2 ай бұрын

Your experiencing it from the point of view of someone oversaturated with power armour though. When I first saw a space marine it blew by tiny little mind and I thought it was the coolest shit I ever saw. It didn't compare to any sci fi I had seen up to that point. That still has a little bit of a hold on me now. I love some of the more interesting models in the other ranges but nothing allows you to be as creative as the space marines for making it your own. 40k and especially space marines and their variants, Orks ect. really just allow people to get creative. I would say that is much harder to do with AOS and the other settings (even though necromunda should be ripe for it). It can be done but it requires more skill and effort to be truly creative. I think that's the draw to 40k. It encourages creativity naturally.

@DreadnoughtMan266

2 ай бұрын

40k is very over the top and I feel like they don’t go into it enough, like how fun would it be if 40k took itself less seriously😂 like big juiced up 8ft tall men is supposedly a serious concept, no it’s still awesome tho 😂

@ruslanhoncharenko2179

2 ай бұрын

​@@DreadnoughtMan26640k became truly popular when it got less satirical.

Dont worry about the apron - it makes you look like an artisan.

the assasssinorum kitbash potential is insane

I'm turning these loose in The Blackstone Fortress!!!

I will definitely give at least the Malcadon one of the Van Saar arachnid multi-eye helmets.

Always good to see Necromunda remaining it's wonderfully bugnuts self

I was just saying "fuking love the choice of the apron" and you back up on it.

OK, give me ratskin and zombies and I will have no other option than acknowledge this edition is the best.

See, I thought you were going for Vince Venturella's look.

They look like scaled up infinity minis

The scrawny biceps don't look like they'd be able to lift the massive Edward Scissorhands, and most of these guys look like they'll need new feet. Spyre hunting was a required part of progressing to adulthood if I remember rightly, which implies every noble in the spire has prosthetic feet. Weird lore.

@KillerOrca

Ай бұрын

Presumably the removed feet were shipped off world to Terra as part of an agreement with Goge Vandire during the Rain of Blood or something similar.

I was hoping the rest of the spyre would be added

I wonder what the House Goliath are going to in form of Spire Hunters

Those hooves look suspiciously Tau like. There better have been no xenos collaboration going on here, otherwise the nearest Ordos Xenos officer will be notified! 😠

@mistformsquirrel

2 ай бұрын

No xenos here, no sir no how. The blue guy? Uh, just my mutant butler, Jerry and his flying servoskull roomba that is definitely not an abominable intelligence. Nothing to see here at all.

@Corusame

2 ай бұрын

@@mistformsquirrel suspicious! 😠

The real question- Are the Forgeworld Necromunda figures going to be recast in Plastic?

Their suits look like it’s bordering xeno tech by asthetics and having the archeo- advance tech aura of the squats to some degree

@LMoftheCoast

2 ай бұрын

They absolutely are Xeno-tech. Iirc there was a bit of lore that suggested that they were Tau tech. Honestly neither the old models, nor these new ones give me Tau vibes, so I question the validity of that. But still, the idea of these bored nobles sneaking down into the hive to hunt gangers while wearing contraband xeno-tech is still appealing, no matter the source.

Hopefully we get the Rat skins back soon

You know, at this point "no-40k feel" description kinda doesn't make sense? 40k as the universe was ALWAYS eclectic and full of myriad different aesthetics, so it's not like there were one 40k vibe... even within same faction. Also monomolecular property is quite common amongst weapons, its works as a super fine edge.

@Kirioth

2 ай бұрын

that's fair

@gregsmw

2 ай бұрын

nah i disagree there no matter the faction 40k always has more of a "roughness" to it there are few to no sleek smooth surfaces or flowing shapes even the eldar models, which are the closest i would come to describing like that, still have quite sharp edges and "blocky" feel to them these models look like they were taken straight out of infinity, they do NOT look like 40k minis

@ruslanhoncharenko2179

2 ай бұрын

@@gregsmw Not really, there is far more models even in eldar that doesn't necessarily scream "roughness" . And by using your logic, these Spyres shouldn't be excluded from 40k either, because they for example have typical 40k style of gauntlet bolter/autoguns.

@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954

2 ай бұрын

@@gregsmw I think the whole point is that the style of combat suit the Spyers use is not Imperial standard, and indeed is probably not constructed by the Ad Mech at all, still less certified as Ommissiah sanctified technology. It has often been suggested in the lore that Spyrer suits are constructed at least in part from smuggled xeno-tech and possibly some old, Pre-Imperial Dark Age technology. That is why it doesn't have the aesthetics of the rest of the technology of the Imperium - this stuff is 100% illegal tech-heresy, and if the Ad Mech or the Ordo Xenos found out about it things would get awkward fast for House Helmawr and most likely all the Noble Houses on Necromunda. The technology style is deliberately different and is not supposed to fit in with the technology around it so that it is clear to the player that this tech is contraband. Normally the Noble Houses don't care, because no authority on Necromunda has the power to call them on its use, but if the truth got out into the broader Imperium things might get sticky, which is likely why the Spyrers don't tend to leave many living witnesses to their illicit hunts and also explains why the Spire Hunters have closer connections to Van Saar gangs than most, because House Van Saar is also on very shaky ground from a tech-heresy point of view given its use of non-standard tech. Back in the early 2000s it was hinted that the Spyrer suits might be built by the Tau and then smuggled into the Imperium, but that is no longer clearly the case. The style of technology employed in the suits seems distinct from Tau tech as well, so perhaps it comes from a Tau client species or some other, unknown Xenos origin. It is just one more of those little mysteries that litter the 40K lore.

The spyres were rich kids that got mommy's and daddy's money to get these "suits" that are a mash of xeno and imperial tech. Why cause they are rich This is what i remember reading back in the day

Honestly tied with the Skaven reveals for me

I do like these but I do kind of feel sad they didn't do a unique battle suit for each archetype. It's a different take in both lore & design which is not necessarily worse but I thought old designs perhaps had a bit more individual personality and could have been really cool when brought up to date as different bits of alien tech illegally being exploited by the hive nobles.

Why has GW started painting non metallic metals as standard? I feel like it sends the wrong message.

Hillbilly Kiri! Digging the dungarees 👌

I always tought that the imperial guard should have some type of melee based power armor wearing unit, like a downgraded version of the paragon warsuit of the adeptus sororitas. Becuse there are just too many things in the galaxy that can teleport behing you and go into melee range and you need something to protect you from that possiblity, ad yes Bullgryns exists, but it feels like a really flawed idea from a genetic POV.

They remind me of Infinity miniatures 🤔

i thought he was joining the village people lol

I don't like the talons of horus on the Orrus Spyer Hunters. Everything else looks cool though.

i see GW is designing models for Infinity now.

So... how do you cut something with a single molecule?

@superhumantrueman

2 ай бұрын

Same way you get a papercut.

@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954

2 ай бұрын

A monomolecular edged weapon is a fairly common idea in sci fi and would theoretically have an edge only one molecule thick at the cutting face, so essentially as sharp as it is possible to get. In theory, such an edge could be held in its orientation by an arrangement of magnetic fields, hence the term 'magnetically suspended monofilament blade'.

@craggylotus

2 ай бұрын

@@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 or like the Harlequins' weapons using monomolecular wire to just slice and dice through anything. "why take two molecules into the shower?"

Are the 2nd lot shown all female?

To me it looks like GW made knockoff Infinity models...

@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954

2 ай бұрын

To be fair, Spyrers have existed in the Necromunda lore since before Infinity existed as a game system, and have always had a more high tech look to their combat suits and technology than would be usual for Imperium units, since in the lore those suits are the product of illegally smuggled Xenotech.

Blink twice if you need help, buddy.

The old gang would be like 4 Spyrers maybe 5 I think? Definitely very low numbers but make up for it in kit. I loved the old Orrus look, maybe a bit more because it was big beefy Fists with little Missle pods like the Mandalorians little jobbies lol

"Is this WarHammer (?) -or- is it Corvus Belli's INFINITY❓ (🤔I can't tell the difference) "Whatever it is M8, it's *_GW's_* ©IP _now."_

Just need the Patriarch and Matriarch Spyryers next oh yes please!!