Every time you take out your guitar, give thanks to the tree that grew for 50 years and sacrificed its life upon the ALTAR OF ROCK so that all humankinds could enjoy the sweet vibrations of music. Not tonewoods, man... Spiritwoods. Quack

Really looking forward to hearing this thing! Also, whatever song that was at the first was awesome! Great Strat neck pickup tone, very 'I Mother Earth' sounding groove.

This was Great!! Thanks! So informative! Now I understand! One of your best!

I'm so glad you & Leslie decided to do this with Texas Toast Guitars !! Your channel & Texas Toast Guitars channel are my favorites on KZread & to have you together working in tandem is just phenomenal !!! I'm also very excited that you convinced them to finally finish the Les Ply !!! Can't wait to hear it tonight & I know your pickups are gonna blow them away !!! Oh btw : please play the guitar through your rig ? Yours just sounds better !! LOL

Thanks for finishing this guitar, Dylan, Matt, Chris, & crew! Some of us have been waiting for this day since the first time we saw this guitar lol. You guys ROCK! You guys need to make this collab a regular thing TTG & DTT together is a badass combination 😎👍

@Jihadbearzwithgunz

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely I've been wanting to hear what it sounds like against a gibson like even put some dirty fingers in this plywood guitar.

Illuminating , thanks for taking the time to produce this stuff😎

I have 5 strats. 3 with alder bodies, 1 with a basswood body and 1, a Korean made Fender, Squier series which has a laminate or plywood body. My understanding has always been that a solid body electric guitar that is played unplugged that is resonant and loud will be a good sounding guitar. The Korean made laminate bodied strat is the loudest and most resonant of the 5.

Hey Dylan, heard your Pups on the Ply Paul on the Toasty Channel - man! Nice stuff! Was especially impressed that the split coil sound was also quite usable.

This was super informative! I actually looked at all my guitars and the only one with vertical stripes is my custom shop strat!

Dylan you are making your dreams come true. This on the road tour it is very interesting to watch. Please think about getting more microphones so I can hear people behind the cameras.

Yeah man looking forward to the demo on that beast! Just the way its constructed you can tell it is no joke of an instrument I'd rock that on a gig for sure. Honestly it likely is more stable than a solid guitar made the "authentic" way in terms of how the materials were used

I can’t wait for the reveal tonight!

I can't wait to see the reveal on the Les ply

What is the name of that router set up? Like a pantarouter but larger on common rails

This is very interesting! I like the nerdy stuff.

What is the advantage in recessing the bridge?

Yes! Pretty cool stuff 2:22 ... the copy carver, just like (inserting extremely obscure reference here from the '60's) the homework copying device in Danny Dunn and The Homework Machine 🤣 ... Live sawing, I always thought that was the same as slab cutting, yes?

is that mean we dont have to look for quarter sawn when we are building a guitar neck ?

What is not discussed here... The reason you'd want vertical grained wood for a neck has little to do with strength, because it's negligible in maple. What happens is maple shrinkage over time. The rate of shrinkage across the board for a vertical grain is about half that of flat grain. So if you build a one-piece maple neck with flatsawn, the chances of fret stick-out over time is greater. Rift will have somewhat "even" shrinkage both sides, but there's no real way to predict the evenness of shrinkage. The other point had to do with surface stability. A quartersawn board is less likely to produce a cup or bow across the grain; and if it did it would do so more evenly than a flatsawn board. You see quite a bit of vintage Strat style necks that develop dips or humps on the fretboard, that have to be leveled out. The reason you'd want flatsawn is if you're after a specific figuring in the wood. Quilt and bird's eye only show on the flatsawn side. Curl will show on both flat and quartered sides. More important than flatsawn or quartersawn, in my opinion, is grain run-out. That's when the grain runs diagonally through the board. Back in the days when guitar woods were harvested by hand, the logs were split into boards with a froe. Since the boards split along the grain, that guarantees zero run-out in the board. On most all trees at the equator, the grain grows in somewhat of a helical fashion, as the tree follows the sun. So even with quartersawing, you can still have a dead perfect quartered board and still have grain run-out. Mahogany, is somewhat an exception as far as shrinkage is concerned because it is one of the most stable woods, with very little shrinkage on both cuts. It is the reason it was used in patternmaking. The rules of run-out and short grain still apply however.

I'm wondering when guitar builders will start using high end laminated Baltic birch with the insane colours that have become so popular with custom gunstocks. The consistency and stability is amazing, and it looks great.

My question is would carbon fiber reinforcement or even titanium help keep the neck from twisting I mean I know you re radiused the neck to make it playable but won't it only get worse over time I mean if the twist makes the action on the bass side high that's preferred over it being towards the treble side.

@darklyripley6138

Жыл бұрын

Actually yes. Look at the ParkerFly.

Cool, didn't know that, as I assume most guitarists don't.

I would use a finish that protects the wood really well. So that it's not at risk for chipping or shifting over temperature variances. This thing is going to sound amazing... 🎸

@texastoastchris

4 жыл бұрын

What is the finish?

I like the digital stripe centered on my necks. But I actually prefer laminated necks anyhow.

I would love a plywood top, but I'm not crazy of the body being made of plywood. (I had a vantage guitar that was a plywood body, horizontal "grained" including the top that was formed like a 335, but solid body. Really weird guitar) that just sounded dead, so my brain tells me it wouldn't sound good. Even though I watched the live video before this. The korina TTG with the super distortion sounded way more full. But the top looks so bloody cool. And to shoot myself in the foot, I'm making a V out of pallet wood as I type this, so I guess this s one of those opinions to take with a grain of salt.

i wouldn't be surprised if the les ply is heavy, i've got 2 plywood guitars ('85 k32t and '87 k34t sidewinder's by marlin) and they are the heaviest electric guitars i've ever come across and that's part of why i like them :) the k34t is my main gigging guitar too, i'm not sure how many times i've referrenced that guitar in my comments haha

Can you do a "ES-335 vs Les Paul - Why they sound different"?

@4034miguel

4 жыл бұрын

Perhaps mainly because they have different Pickups? ES-335: Calibrated T-Type Les Paul: Burstbucker 61R (Zebra)

@bolerdweller

4 жыл бұрын

@@4034miguel still sound different with same pickups. The tone wood debate will continue, I dont fully believe both sides of the argument. Yes your just creating the signal with the string and pickup but all pickups are slightly microphonic so some of that acoustic tone comes through a bit. I was just playing my es 137 and they have an awesome warm tone when plugged in. If I plug the pickup into my Corona California strat it wouldn't sound nearly the same

I am be learned now.

Where do we buy your pickups?

@DylanTalksTone

3 жыл бұрын

Dylantalkstone.com

Thank you!, :D London

It's called "Through and Through " in the UK not live , "Quarter Sawn" is cut into 4 as described , then each quarter is cut Through and Through alternatively, so one cut on one flat , turned on the other flat and sawn through turn back 90° and cut " thru n thru" all the way to the 'box heart 'which is normally full of shakes . These terms have been used for centuries by timber frame and shipbuilders in the UK for centuries. The grain orientation is then selected out for its purpose . Martin uses plywood in its necks , Walter used it on their 2000 sniper rifle both for strength and stability . Structurally plywood weight for weight is stronger than steel, so when engineering a single span roof beam a laminated wood is generally selected over steel , as the beam not only has to carry its own weight ( mass loading ) but the weight ( load) that will be applied . In composite and laminated beams certain woods are selected and many more plies used , than your box standard ply . So transferring that to guitars ply is an ideal material for a thru body or infant any guitar neck I believe CF Martin have their own ply recipe and number of plies per inch PPI ( we still use feet and inches in the UK and an 8 x 4 ( 1220 x 2440 mm) board is still and 8 x 4 board . For the body of the guitar you have a choice , with a neck thru , your upper and lower cheeks can be anything, for a set neck you want the ply to speak to you so cut it from a flat multiply board , for a Les Paul if you really want to emulate the character of the build use vertically stacked ply lower with horizontal stacked top . In quality grade plies the top ply can be almost any wood species so the flat can be maple , birch ,poplar , oak , wenge , obeche , sapele or true mahogany, black walnut etc .and as the top is cut away it will reveal the layers below and will look great . Ply is made by the peeling process . I have seen this in action at a company that used to be near where I lived in London called Thames Plywood in Barking . The logs would arrive from all,over the world and depending on size be placed in huge steamers sometimes for days . The log would then be centre marked by the supervisor and mounted in a huge woodworking lathe . The blade would be brought close in to start producing the cylinder to be peeled. Larger pieces would be kept for patching before laminating . The cylinder would then be peeled by the blade the full length of the log until the supervisor calls a halt if there are large shakes in the heart of the log, as this may jam or even damage the blade . The heart would go to a separate area for drying and sold for further processing into planks for other purposes . The never ending sheet is rolled onto a steel core still steaming hot and floppy . The sheet is then transferred to another machine which unroll it and cuts it into the lengths required on a huge flat bed and each flat is piled on top of the last . Flats are pulled out if flawed for patching in a seperate area , using the scrap laminate . Normally a diamond shape of laminate would replace the flaw as this is the strongest method. The flats will then be orientated 90° allowed a certain amount of drying time before bonding together and pressing . The repaired flats will go in the middle . Depending o its purpose 2 different glues would be used for WBP (water/boil proof ) or Marine ( totally waterproof) and graded . The glued and pressed boards would then be sawn into common sheet sizes , most common being 8 x 4 but larger on request for building boats , aircraft etc. and the PPI can be tailored to suit the purpose . Thames Plywood has been used all over the world for everything from ordinary shuttering for concrete to construction of high speed powerboats ( including the World Water Speed Record holder ), aircraft in WW2 ( the famous deHavilland " Mosquito " , hundreds of landing craft for D Day , cars ( including complete cars in structural use as well as trim panels) and no doubt found its way into guitar bodies and so on , but sadly the manufacture of the best quality ply in the world has long ended in the UK . But I can still smell the place and hear the sounds of the amazing machines in action . The cheap ply that's imported will often have voids visible at the edge of the cut board where a ply had not been repaired and all sorts of flaws . Now go out and buy the ply you need to build your guitar !

I thought grain orientation in the neck was about splintering. Wood splits along the grain much more easily than across it. So if the grain was flat parallel to the fretboard ithe neck would be more vulnerable to breaks than if it was perpendicular.

@R33do

4 жыл бұрын

You are 100% rigth

@bwgti

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I thought it was a construction issue too.

Lmao @ Dylan "take a shot every time you see cutoffs" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 we'd be DRRUUUUUNNNNKKKKKKKKK 🤷‍♂️🤣 or at least I would since I'm not a drinker. It's probably been multiple years since I've purposely drank any alcohol and I've been drunk enough times to count on 1 hand lol. So yeah... 🤷‍♂️😆

Mmmm....Texas Toast.....damn now I want some French Toast. Thanks a lot guy lol

Screw Matt and Chris! Where's Mrs TT???? Was that wrong? ;-) Good on ya Dylan, those guys seem to be so much fun, I am sure you had a good time there. You won the race, btw I don't care what they said!

At least this was a higher quality plywood. I can't imagine trying to do this with the cheap stuff. Routing couldn't have been easy. But if you want a stable neck, this is the way to go. Cheaper guitar companies used to do this with their necks (they called it "laminate" ) and Martin still does for their budget guitars.

@Metalbass10000

4 жыл бұрын

Multi-laminate necks are made and utilized by guitar and bass builders all over the world, and generally they aren't the cheaper instruments, which almost always are single piece necks. The thing about the tonewood debate, is that spectrum analysis of closed system instrument experiments show what they show, and, nobody is going to tell me what I do or do not hear, just as I cannot make anyone hear something they cannot hear, or tell them what they do or do not hear.

@bgm9517

4 жыл бұрын

didnt they say the plywood was from lowes?

I would love to know what these guys think of sandwich-built guitars.

@JC-11111

4 жыл бұрын

What are those? You mean laminated? Or like the pancake bodies Gibson made back in the day? I doubt they give a shit. They aren't wood snobs. Matt built a plywood Les Paul. I doubt the "sandwich" guitars are any worse in their opinion. You mean like having mahogany in the middle sandwiched by maple on the outside or however Gibson did those pancake bodies?

@Jihadbearzwithgunz

4 жыл бұрын

My Spectors is kinda like this my euro 5 lt and rebop both have top woods and body's (euro 5 lt violet burst ) is neck thru maple with ash with a maple cap with a walnut in-between my rebop is a dlx ex so alder body with walnut then zebrawood top (maple bolt on neck) My old q4 is basswood with a maple vaneer and maple bolt on neck (non curved body which Spector is known for)

@cuauhtemocservinrodriguez5543

4 жыл бұрын

Isn't every guitar With a top a sandwich guitar?

@thebubster0312

4 жыл бұрын

I think if you made a guitar out of BLT 's you would have dogs following you around .

@michaelcarey9359

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder if that guitar they are carving at 2:30 is a "sandwich" guitar?

Badass!

The bridge pickup mounting ring didn't look right , too low and angled...

When the grain runs down towards the fingerboard then it is strengthened when you glue the grain to the fingerboard. Guitars stay in tune a lot better....for days instead of for sets.

Instead of gluing the boards vertically, you should have made on with glued thin plywood horizontally, that would have made things much easier. The guitar side actually looks very good...

@texastoastchris

4 жыл бұрын

What makes you think this project was about doing it the easy way?

it's a beautiful guitar

It looks quite feasible to build a copy carver like that one… maybe a smaller router…

This is the best available explanation demonstrated of quarter sawn!👍👍

The funniest thing about the tonewood war is that the most tonewood fanatics belong to the ones that use tons of distortion and have their pedalboards looking like nuclear plant control panel and it all goes to a high-gain amp. With all these layers of filters, compression, buffers and overdrive stages you can hear the wood... Yeah right... Oh, and I forgot their freaking high-signal or even active pickups and detuned guitars. 😂

I like Japanese style Mama sawn necks.😋

Chicks dig it hahaha This is a good video

I still I’d prefer the carve on the body done by hand 🤔

Put the same pickup on a banjo thru a clean amp. What frequencies sustain? This is the simple principle. Some things (woods) sustain certain frequencies longer than others. Some hear it others not.

You're gonna show us your wood? Ohhh I don't think that would be appropriate!

Why does a guitar body wood matter, neck makes since as they can warp and delaminate.

@DylanTalksTone

Жыл бұрын

Only if it’s a crappy neck… which is not common

What Matt is saying quarter sawn is actually rift sawn.

Is it me? I can't take the name Texas toast guitars seriously. I wish they had a better brand. They have a great product.

@obi-wankenobi5179

4 жыл бұрын

You're obviously not from Texas were we LOVE our texas toast and take that kind of bread very seriously....

Then you have split quarters. Used for archtops and violin family of instruments. A whole nuther game. Thazri...y'all

Naming a video "tonewood myth busting" with no audio comparisons, then only talking about wood cuts, then saying between the lines "they're fooling you with quartersawn!!1!" (grain lines perpendicular to tension planes is really the issue, no matter how they first cut the log), then talking about wood stability saying that it is "probably absolutely true" that vertical grain is more stable (like anybody in any application says about wood and other materials, as shown with that metal bar in the video). You're so blindly anti-tonewood, that you're creating myths yourself. Someone should do some DylayTalksTonewood myth-buster videos!

@TexasToastGuitars

4 жыл бұрын

Who said "they're fooling you with quartersawn"?

Plywood is not that easy to work with. Lots of glue to deal with and if your not careful little chunks of wood can be dis-lodged while making holes or reaming etc.

@JC-11111

4 жыл бұрын

Did you watch the other vids where they built this thing? I think Matt may have talked about this specific issue. I feel like he did, anyway. I could be misremembering, though.

Anyone wants to die on the hill of "tonewood", just stab em through the heart with one of those old Airline guitars made from "Res-O-Glass", lol. 2 pcs of molded plastic screwed together with a big rubber grommet between them. Just like the red J.B. Hutto model Jack White used to play in White Stripes. Totally hollow, no wood, all plastic goodness. :)

les Ply=cool then when you came up with Ply Authentic, I shot beer out my nose.

he said annular. lol..

12:52 "And people can nerd out on Facebook groups"… this remark summarises the whole myth building about guitars or anything else. People with insufficient knowledge extrapolate plausible sounding theories about everything, from tonewood to the sex of angels. By the way, would angels play air guitar and would it sound heavenly?

@JC-11111

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. That's exactly what's going on. People come up with these theories of how they think things are yet they have absolutely nothing to support that theory. They just go with it because it sounds logical to them. It's absolutely ridiculous. Especially to someone like me who is new to guitars and playing guitars. Listening to all of this foolishness has really opened my eyes to just how crazy guitar people really are 🤣

@Leo_ofRedKeep

4 жыл бұрын

@@JC-11111 Not just guitar people. They represent the average population.

@kmichaelp4508

4 жыл бұрын

FYI, Bob Benedetto made an archtop many years ago out of pine for the body and hardware store maple for the neck. It sounded as good as his $20K guitars.

Audiologists will tell you that no one has ever heard their own voice, because the bones of the skull color and distort the sound. If you listen to a recording of your own voice there is color and distortion from the recording and playback equipment. So the tonewood debate has been settled. Some people can’t hear the difference between maple and mahogany because of the very thick bones of their skull.

It's true that the term, "quartersaw," does derive from cutting the roughed logs into quarters, and then further divided to provide lumber stock with stable vertical grain. Modern producers, harvesters and processors, of high end domestic and exotic woods, will use computer software that can take digital photographs of the roughed logs, and determine the best layout of cuts to provide the most efficient, most cost-effective, most profitable, or to provide an abundance of stock with whatever grain layout, or visible figuring, the producer, or their customers, decide they want. But whatever, eggheads and science, never helped anything and smart people applying intelligent technologies are never successful.

chicks!

Dylan still out there telling us what we can and can't hear. If you can't hear it Dylan, i'm sorry for you. But for you to be so jealous that you feel the need to say what others hear is myth and wrong, I feel sorry for you.

@DylanTalksTone

3 жыл бұрын

if you dont like it why are you here?

@Relayer6a

3 жыл бұрын

@@DylanTalksTone Is there some rule that says I need to agree with you to watch or comment?

Heavy reliance on "Tonewood Myth Busted!" click-bait these days. Come on, dude. You're better than that.

.....people still believe tonewood is a thing.... this ain't the 50s anymore. I wish he said something about sustainable trees vs natural. The same type of tree can yield very different results. Trees from tree farms are forced to grow faster and result in less rings and far less quality board. Natural grow trees will have much, much, more rings giving a far superior quality board. One is good for furniture one is good for guitar building....which is why Gibson is garbage along with most new Fenders. You get charged for the good, but you get the garbage. And on top of several other reasons why theyre notorious for not staying in tune. But its strangely interesting how the same tree can yeild very different wood

@StupidGuitar

Жыл бұрын

I have yet to see a reliable and scientific study done that proves tonewood one way or another. This video certainly doesn’t and neither does the infamous table guitar

Question. Why do you smile upside down? All video long, your face looks exactly like somebody is hurting you really bad. Squeezing your you-know-whats. The symbol is :-( So, why do you look like you are in pain? Are you?!

@DylanTalksTone

4 жыл бұрын

If you were a subscriber and kept up, you would know.

No myth busted that I see. Sad to see clickbait. Downvoting

@DylanTalksTone

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much. Glad for the interaction

@StupidGuitar

Жыл бұрын

@@DylanTalksTone you’re welcome. I’d love to see the myth busted or proven if anyone wants to do so scientifically

@DylanTalksTone

Жыл бұрын

We have a lot of those videos.