Morally Superior Atheists

Are atheists morally superior?
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  • @Leith_Crowther
    @Leith_CrowtherАй бұрын

    No, no, I’m not MORALLY superior for being an atheist. I’m INTELLECTUALLY superior regarding this one subject. Big difference. I’m probably morally superior to most theists, but that’s only because of their specific brands of theism. If the most common religions were less immoral, I wouldn’t be able to say that.

  • @rbwinn3

    @rbwinn3

    Ай бұрын

    You can say whatever you want to say. I agree with the Apostle John. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denieth the Father and the Son.

  • @Leith_Crowther

    @Leith_Crowther

    Ай бұрын

    @@rbwinn3I appreciate your help with the demonstration of my position. Having evidence for my claims right below them makes them look so much more credible and does such a strong job for making more atheists.

  • @holgerlubotzki3469

    @holgerlubotzki3469

    Ай бұрын

    @@rbwinn3 So what is your best verifiable evidence that you are right about your creator g0d and that one billion Hindus are wrong about theirs.?

  • @quecee

    @quecee

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@rbwinn3Is someone who created a story about some vague experience to say that it was an encounter with Jesus telling the truth or lying? You think someone who was VERY interested in trying to be the head of this new fledgling cult actually had that experience? And you think his writing should be considered to have from some deity from the storybooks? Do you not think that HE is the antichrist?

  • @BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

    @BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@rbwinn3 so you cultist manual says that outsiders are bad... Wow! How could it know?

  • @Seticzech
    @SeticzechАй бұрын

    @JimCastleberry It is well established fact that atheists are morally superior over god of the bible. It is well established fact that atheistic societies are much more safer and more human than theistic. Secular humanism win over bigotry and theistic ignorance.

  • @Support_Ad_Blocker

    @Support_Ad_Blocker

    Ай бұрын

    The greater the degree of religiosity in a society, the greater the amount of societal dysfunction.

  • @Seticzech

    @Seticzech

    Ай бұрын

    @@Support_Ad_Blocker Exactly.

  • @Support_Ad_Blocker

    @Support_Ad_Blocker

    Ай бұрын

    @@Seticzech Which makes the U.S. more like Saudi Arabia or Iran than Denmark or Sweden. China is largely nonreligious. Are they on to something?

  • @holgerlubotzki3469
    @holgerlubotzki3469Ай бұрын

    The story of Exodus in the bible highlights the moral superiority of atheists. If you ask an atheist if is morally acceptable for an all powerful all knowing g0d to kill children to punish their parents after that same g0d supposedly used his omnipotence set up an excuse to murder the children, you will get a simple one word answer every time. The scenario is one where there is no path to any other answer using moral relativism. If you ask a bible babbler the same question you will get very long answers that seek to justify a heinous and evil act. The best (ie - most disgusting!) recent example is WLC making excuses to Alex O'Connor.

  • @brewberry3894
    @brewberry3894Ай бұрын

    I don’t believe in god, I don’t have to believe in god. I don’t even have to give a good reason not to believe in god. It’s called freedom.

  • @landsgevaer

    @landsgevaer

    Ай бұрын

    To be fair, you - fortunately - also have the freedom to believe in a god based on faith. So your comment could equally have been written by a theist to analogously defend theír position. Freedom isn't great as an argument. Withholding belief in the absence of evidence is *rational* though. That is where atheism beats theism. Of course, a theist doesn't need to strive towards rationalism. Maybe they prefer obedience, for instance. But most people would not like to be seen as irrational, and that is what theism forces you to be.

  • @quentind1924

    @quentind1924

    Ай бұрын

    @@landsgevaer "also have the freedom to believe in a god based on faith" That's true, but if so then stop trying to convert anyone if you're aware it's only by faith

  • @user-vy3qh1xw2t

    @user-vy3qh1xw2t

    Ай бұрын

    @@quentind1924 we don't convert people God does we just spread the seed some fall on good ground and some on bad God does the watering

  • @kitchencarvings4621

    @kitchencarvings4621

    Ай бұрын

    @@user-vy3qh1xw2t This is such a cop-out. Anyone who doesn't believe is "bad ground". It doesn't have anything to do with the veracity of your claims or the ability to demonstrate them factually. If some are "bad ground" then they can't be held responsible for "God's watering" not working.

  • @user-vy3qh1xw2t

    @user-vy3qh1xw2t

    Ай бұрын

    @@kitchencarvings4621 you won't find Him if you're not looking an athiest looking for God is like a criminal looking for the cops

  • @smochygrice465
    @smochygrice465Ай бұрын

    Thank God for atheism 🙏😊

  • @wayneharrison

    @wayneharrison

    Ай бұрын

    😂🤜💥🤛

  • @johnfitzgerald8879

    @johnfitzgerald8879

    Ай бұрын

    True that!

  • @Support_Ad_Blocker

    @Support_Ad_Blocker

    Ай бұрын

    which gawd?

  • @nealjroberts4050
    @nealjroberts4050Ай бұрын

    My fellow theists are doing all they can to demonstrate they're capable of being less moral than the atheists here. (Edit for typos)

  • @user-sd5go4rr4i
    @user-sd5go4rr4iАй бұрын

    I'm not morally superior. I'm just superior.

  • @diogeneslamp8004

    @diogeneslamp8004

    Ай бұрын

    You are…the _Übermensch._

  • @user-sd5go4rr4i

    @user-sd5go4rr4i

    Ай бұрын

    @@diogeneslamp8004 I had to look that up. And I agree according to me.

  • @diogeneslamp8004

    @diogeneslamp8004

    Ай бұрын

    @@user-sd5go4rr4i 😂👍

  • @joshsheridan9511
    @joshsheridan9511Ай бұрын

    I'm sorry but if you need a threat to keep you moral then i am morally superior to you.

  • @sineaddwanson9294

    @sineaddwanson9294

    Ай бұрын

    It's simply a statement of the facts. You're lost, undone, dying and on your way to hell via the sin of Adam & your own sin in your life. Jesus is throwing you a life line to escape hell. You have +/- 70 yrs on this earth to either accept Jesus or deny him & your time is running out.

  • @joshsheridan9511

    @joshsheridan9511

    Ай бұрын

    @@sineaddwanson9294 irrelevant

  • @wyldink1

    @wyldink1

    Ай бұрын

    @@sineaddwanson9294 No, the fact is that there is no Jesus to save anyone from something that is not something to be saved from. I'm afraid that when you die, Jimmy (and you WILL one day), it will be forever. You're wasting the one life you get worshipping a book, spouting lies, and wallowing in your own ignorance. You have until that inevitable death to stop waiting to die and begin living. We're rootin' for you to make the right decision, but we all know you can't.

  • @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    Ай бұрын

    @@sineaddwanson9294 Prove it

  • @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana

    @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana

    Ай бұрын

    @@sineaddwanson9294 Because pathetic fanboying is the best way to get people to like you? 🙄

  • @amtlpaul
    @amtlpaulАй бұрын

    I see the Spammer from the Slammer, Neverending Fraud, has made a return to the comments section with his usual repetoire of copypasta. It is, unfortunately, not hard to be his moral superior.

  • @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    Ай бұрын

    They're calling themselves Sinead now. I wonder what their pronouns are.

  • @johnnybickle13
    @johnnybickle13Ай бұрын

    Yes, let's stand up and say we are way way more moral ever since we have come out of or that we defy an immoral system that supports sexism, racism, slavery and oppression... No question about it and that is the icing on the cake. Be proud

  • @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    Ай бұрын

    @@craedonbwroten6693 Prove it

  • @MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ru

    @MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ru

    Ай бұрын

    How much do you have to hate women by allowing a 5 ft 90 lb menstruating person to spend 23 hours a day 7 days a week locked up alone in a cell. Alone in a cell with a 6 ft 6 350 lb muscle head with XY chromosomes and a penis who uses the menstruating person as a human toilet and constantly rapes her. And all of this because the man identifies as a woman. It's not surprising you can't distinguish between the moral values of the atheistic humanists left and the Church of Satan.

  • @quentind1924

    @quentind1924

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ru I'm not sure if you're trying to discredit, but either way that isn't it. No one will be okay about that situation, whatever they're theists or atheists

  • @MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ru

    @MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ru

    Ай бұрын

    @@quentind1924 if atheist feel discredited by somebody telling the truth maybe they should reflect on their moral positions. I'm not sure what you mean by either way that's not it, do you think you can clarify. I made quite a few arguments. Do you think I'm discrediting atheist when I say they support child murder AKA selective abortion. The vast majority of atheists do support child murder AKA selective abortion . If that's not the argument you're talking about please be specific

  • @quentind1924

    @quentind1924

    Ай бұрын

    @@MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ru My first sentence was supposed to be "I'm not sure if you're trying to discredit theists or atheists, but either way that isn't it"* "How much do you have to hate women by allowing (something outrageous)", that's a loaded question, because nobody would allow that story to happen, whether they're theists or atheists. "Do you think I'm discrediting atheist when I say they support child murder AKA selective abortion" First, saying "selective abortion = child murder" is a controversal claim, second it's a completely different question. While atheists are more likely to allow it, if you become an atheist tomorrow that won't automatically allow abortion. So in that way, it's off-topic in a debate regarding atheism Another thing i would note is that abortion isn't murder for no reasons. : If in order to make an human survive, you have to lose part of your liberty for 9 months (i don't exactly know every symptoms of pregnancy, but i'm pretty sure no woman would want to be pregnant if there wasn't the child in the equation), then it becomes less problematic. (That's the fameous violonist thought experiment if you want to search it on google, i'm only summerizing what it says) : If you wake up in an hospital, and need to stay in a medical bed for 9 months in order for a fameous violonist to survive (because of a kidney problem so he needs to use yours, and nobody else can do the job other than you) and the doctors then ask you if you want to stay 9 months in that bed to make the violonist survive or kill the violonist to be free, most would say that if you want to be free that shouldn't be seen as murder. And if even for the violonist experiment you'd see it as murder, what about if you had to stay for 9 years ? While pregnancy isn't as bad as what's in that thought experiment, most people that would allow abortion would argue that the point still holds. The thought experiment is showing that sometimes, we can sacrifice a life for liberty. People that accept abortion would say that 9 months of pregnancy is enough to accept sacrificing a life for that liberty

  • @RoderickEtheria
    @RoderickEtheriaАй бұрын

    If you must depend on somebody else to give you ethics or morals, then the person who doesn't need somebody else to tell them what is moral and ethical is naturally ethically and morally superior. Their ethics and morals could be absolutely terrible, but they still would have them.

  • @Snuggles_the_Unholy
    @Snuggles_the_UnholyАй бұрын

    You exaggerate when you want to win a fight or try to sell something. You look at the facts when you try to prove it.

  • @amtlpaul
    @amtlpaulАй бұрын

    By the way, Jimedith, who attempts to kill people by throwing tomatoes at them, and figurative ones at that? Do the criticisms feel that deadly to you, Jimedith?

  • @amtlpaul
    @amtlpaulАй бұрын

    It is a well established fact that the only commenter who regularly argues for moral nihilism is none other than the troll Jim Castleberry. He seems to get off on the idea of treating humans as no more valuable to him than cockroaches.

  • @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    Ай бұрын

    And he calls us cockroaches. Such a charmer

  • @amtlpaul

    @amtlpaul

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@Hampton_Doubleday_JrOh yes, he likes the idea of destroying other people. What a moralist of our times!

  • @joshsheridan9511

    @joshsheridan9511

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@Hampton_Doubleday_JrI'd rather be a cockroach than GBH Jim

  • @tracierendell4422
    @tracierendell4422Ай бұрын

    Bloody brilliant call!

  • @SteVibiana
    @SteVibianaАй бұрын

    Many religious people act very condescending toward non-believers. You can't be much more condescending than to tell someone that they're going to hell because they don't agree with you about your beliefs. I'm not defending the young man being described in this call, I just wanted to point out that I have seen a lot more condescending religious people than condescending atheists in my day.

  • @quentind1924

    @quentind1924

    Ай бұрын

    I know you're reading this, NEPy. Take notes if you want to convince us

  • @Bozo_Weirdo

    @Bozo_Weirdo

    Ай бұрын

    Being condescending of people for being condescending, while misrepresenting and oversimplifying their argument and religion is just you being condescending. You’re not a victim while antagonizing your supposed antagonists.

  • @amtlpaul

    @amtlpaul

    Ай бұрын

    @Bozo_Weirdo says, "I know you are but what am I?"

  • @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    Ай бұрын

    @@Bozo_Weirdo You'll live.

  • @Bozo_Weirdo

    @Bozo_Weirdo

    Ай бұрын

    @@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr That’s an even greater oversimplification. I’m glad you’re taking my side in the argument, regardless of your immoral intentions.

  • @somersetcace1
    @somersetcace1Ай бұрын

    I don't feel morally superior to anyone. All value that I place on right and wrong behaviour is open to critique and adjustment. I would simply suggest that accepting a moral code believed to be the divine revelation of a god, eliminates the ability to have a rational discussion about right and wrong behaviour in general. It's a claim of divine authority, and therefore not open to examination. "God said so," isn't really a great opening for rational discourse.

  • @Saintjackoftrades

    @Saintjackoftrades

    Ай бұрын

    I don't believe you. People with religious beliefs have to have moral beliefs that are... evil. It you can't say you're better then those I dunno what you're thinking.

  • @claudiaarjangi4914

    @claudiaarjangi4914

    Ай бұрын

    @somersetcacel True as . And if you are just doing what you're told ( eg from a book ) then you are literally not making a choice based on your morality, you're acting Amorally. ( your choice not being guided by your morality ) The only way anyone ( human, dog, cat etc ) can know if something is moral, or make a moral decision, is to use your innate morality to compare it to. You only learn what is moral, by doing the work of finding out what is the goal of morality, ( it's usually about wellbeing or generosity etc to humans etc ) Then honing & practicing your inate moral preferences . If a god-follower is so lazy that they just take bible-orders, & don't use their own innate morals, then they are acting amorally. Not being guided by their morality, but by another person instead. 😁🌏☮️

  • @amtlpaul
    @amtlpaulАй бұрын

    It is a well established fact that the troll Jim Castleberry can't support any of his claims about morality. Jimedith, "A God exists that somehow makes my moral intuitions objectively correct" is NOT a moral ontology. It is wishful thinking.

  • @nealjroberts4050

    @nealjroberts4050

    Ай бұрын

    Absolutely!

  • @quecee

    @quecee

    Ай бұрын

    It's not a moral ontology because he can't describe anything about it. This is NOT the same as it being an epistemological problem. The epistemological problem with a moral system is if it's not possible to have direct knowledge of whether something is moral. But if you claim some moral ontology, you have to be able to describe it. For example, I could say that there is an absolute morality based on the quantum properties of a yet undiscovered flavors of quarks called the moral quark and the immoral quark. I can't say how these quarks come into play and I can't show that these quarks exist. But there's absolute morality because they affect our moral intuition. These is the level of moral system that Jim/Edith has.

  • @zarxog
    @zarxogАй бұрын

    Great, interesting call!

  • @Jebus_Anti-theist
    @Jebus_Anti-theistАй бұрын

    Lol, Chrissy is the only one giving a thumbs down, so far. You could give it a million likes, it is not going anywhere.😄🤣🐱🧦

  • @wyldink1
    @wyldink1Ай бұрын

    I can't see ANY posts from Liar Powers, but people have been responding to him. Has he totally lost yet again, or did he chicken out in advance?

  • @holgerlubotzki3469

    @holgerlubotzki3469

    Ай бұрын

    everybody is reporting him for SPAM and his posts are being promptly ghosted

  • @wyldink1

    @wyldink1

    Ай бұрын

    @@holgerlubotzki3469 Must be everybody doing it. I've been reporting him for years.

  • @nealjroberts4050

    @nealjroberts4050

    Ай бұрын

    I suspect that advances in bot spam detection are also catching him out on holding multiple accounts all saying the same thing.

  • @sineaddwanson9294

    @sineaddwanson9294

    Ай бұрын

    @@holgerlubotzki3469 No, the lost rpt me because the truth I present is very troubling to them. I prove in meticulous detail that all their atheist ideas are IMPOSSIBILE, NON-OBSERVED, DESPERATE and DEBUNKED NONSENSE. The hate lets me know that I'm doing my job. My reward is great in heaven.

  • @wyldink1

    @wyldink1

    Ай бұрын

    @@sineaddwanson9294 Hey, there's the novice theologian! Let's resume your Bible study, since you ran away the last two times I've tried to continue your education. Now that we've established that Jeremiah 14:14 is talking about YOU, what do you think this does to your credibility? After all, if the Bible is right, this means you are wrong. If you're right, this means the Bible is wrong. Can't have it both ways, kiddo. Don't run away again!

  • @GluieTheGoat
    @GluieTheGoatАй бұрын

    Please read this before commenting: Put the feelings of others before your own. I've seen a bunch of hurtful comments on this channel, and I want those people to think about what they're saying before they say it, just to encourage a more respectful dialogue. Please consider it before you resort to personal attacks.

  • @agrandcanyonoffucksgiven2776

    @agrandcanyonoffucksgiven2776

    Ай бұрын

    Do you mean on this channel or this video. Because at this moment the only comment was “first”? So sus

  • @Ghalaghor_McAllistor

    @Ghalaghor_McAllistor

    Ай бұрын

    Are you talking about Nepy and co?

  • @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    Ай бұрын

    @@Ghalaghor_McAllistor Specifically Nepy, I think. I saw a comment they made to Nepy under the previous video, calling him out on one of his hateful posts.

  • @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    Ай бұрын

    @@Ghalaghor_McAllistor "Please don't insult people in the comments section. There's no reason to get aggressive." ~ GluieTheGoat to Nepy 👏

  • @Bozo_Weirdo

    @Bozo_Weirdo

    Ай бұрын

    Those who claim victimhood while actively antagonizing aren’t actually victims at all.

  • @kitchencarvings4621
    @kitchencarvings4621Ай бұрын

    Unlike a theist, I actually have a more code: a code of values to guide my actions and choices to further my life and happiness. The theist has a set of arbitrary commandments that he must follow and obey regardless of whether he sees a real-world reason to do so or not. He's under the threat of punishment, which he is trying to avoid. By contrast, my moral code is all about values I want to gain and keep for my own sake, not to please an imaginary god.

  • @holgerlubotzki3469

    @holgerlubotzki3469

    Ай бұрын

    NB: an imaginary *EVIL* g0d!

  • @waynedexter
    @waynedexterАй бұрын

    I would love to hear the nephews side of the story. Also, you just have to offhandedly mention you’re an atheist and theists think you’re being disrespectful and/or aggressive. Also, I wonder if this caller is holding her theist relatives to the same standards

  • @Beacon80
    @Beacon80Ай бұрын

    Well, this will definitely trigger Jimdith. 😂

  • @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    Ай бұрын

    🍿🍿🍿

  • @nealjroberts4050

    @nealjroberts4050

    Ай бұрын

    Waiting patiently for their entertaining rant against you atheists and us nonchristian theists 😂

  • @amtlpaul

    @amtlpaul

    Ай бұрын

    What are the odds of him bringing up one of the following: Jim Jones Josef Stalin Chairman Mao?

  • @Bozo_Weirdo

    @Bozo_Weirdo

    Ай бұрын

    Well shoot, I’ll wait too. Will this really be a show?

  • @t800fantasm2

    @t800fantasm2

    Ай бұрын

    "trigger Jimdith" Doesn't matter he only fire blanks...

  • @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr
    @Hampton_Doubleday_JrАй бұрын

    Some examples of Bible verses that show how utterly immoral God is: 1 Thessalonians 5: 1-4 Deuteronomy 23: 1-2 Ephesians 6: 5 Exodus 12: 29 Exodus 21: 7 Genesis 6: 17 Luke 14: 26 Matthew 5: 22 Matthew 10: 34-36 Numbers 4: 27 Numbers 31: 1-54 Proverbs 13: 24 Psalms 137: 9 Titus 2: 9

  • @rbwinn3
    @rbwinn3Ай бұрын

    Be patient. Atheists say they can prove these equations are wrong. Maybe they are just busy right now.

  • @landsgevaer
    @landsgevaerАй бұрын

    The lack of dogma allows atheists to adapt their moral system to progressing insights. Whether regarding the position on slavery, war, women's rights, gender, animal cruelty, AI, abortion, identity theft, scamming, you name it. Given that habits and technology evolve and knowledge and insight have tended to increase over the past few millennia, that alone is a *huge* strength.

  • @nealjroberts4050
    @nealjroberts4050Ай бұрын

    I've been morally superior to both my fellow theists and atheists though I note that more of those were theist than atheist. Ie more atheists have shown themselves moral than not.

  • @MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ru

    @MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ru

    Ай бұрын

    Do you support selective abortion AKA child murderer including all the way up to birth?

  • @holgerlubotzki3469

    @holgerlubotzki3469

    Ай бұрын

    @@MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ru Why are here claiming to be a christian but rejecting the bible?

  • @MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ru

    @MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ru

    Ай бұрын

    @@holgerlubotzki3469I'm not rejecting the Bible I believe God is the final authority. That's why I don't support a woman deciding that she's going to murder her children. Anyway why did you come to that conclusion

  • @quecee

    @quecee

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ruShe's not murdering any child when she terminates her pregnancy. And your desire to control women and take away their rights is pretty gross.

  • @holgerlubotzki3469

    @holgerlubotzki3469

    Ай бұрын

    @@MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ru If you are anti abortion then you are rejecting the bible.

  • @smochygrice465
    @smochygrice465Ай бұрын

    😊

  • @blueredingreen
    @blueredingreenАй бұрын

    If a religious person tells an atheist "everything you do is wrong" because they're an atheist (0:58), and the atheist responds that they're the morally superior one, the person I'm going to have an issue with there is not the atheist. The theist is being condescending, the atheist is flipping what they said back on them. That response certainly isn't hugely productive, but it also doesn't sound like any sort of "militant" attitude nor anger. It's a pretty normal way to respond to someone insulting you. But if you want to have a conversation about having productive conversations with people, one can do that. Although if this attitude exists outside of directly responding to such theist statements, then that's more of a problem. I can only imagine that the hosts missed that part of what the caller said, because in that context, their response would suggest that theists can say whatever they want, and atheists are the problem for saying anything back, which surely isn't a view they hold.

  • @MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ru

    @MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ru

    Ай бұрын

    Anybody can call themselves a Christian that doesn't mean they are. For example a member of the atheistic humanist LGBT community can pretend to be a Christian become a priest and go against Christian doctrine and homosexuality rape little boys. He's actually a member of the atheistic humanist LGBT community pretending to be a Christian. You can't support today's left and be a Christian. There's a reason why you can't distinguish between the moral positions of today's left and the Church of Satan

  • @quecee

    @quecee

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@MeTooAshleyBiden-xi7ruThere's no true Christian or a Scottsman.

  • @holgerlubotzki3469

    @holgerlubotzki3469

    Ай бұрын

    _"Anybody can call themselves a Christian that doesn't mean they are"_ says the person who calls themselves a christian but is filled with hatred for others and is unable to forgive people he doesn't like.

  • @quecee
    @queceeАй бұрын

    Because the Christians on these comments don't understand moral systems enough to actually articulate HOW their moral systems work, here are some moral systems that depend on some god, and the issues with them. 1. Divine Command Theory: Actions are morally right if they are commanded by God and morally wrong if they are forbidden by God. In other words, morality is ultimately determined by God's will or commands. Contrary to what some atheists say, this isn't really "subjective" because it still is a moral system that's stance-independent of the human agent. The PROBLEM: There's NO way to determine what is moral and what is just being commanded as moral. A person attempting to kill their son because god commanded them can't be distinguished from someone hearing voices or lying about having heard voices. 2. Natural Law Theory: SOME versions of Natural Law Theory rely explicitly on the existence of a god, not all. For those that do, they claim that the natural moral order is established by God, and morality is derived from the rational understanding of this NATURAL order. The PROBLEM: There is NO need for that extra, unprovable step to say that a god established that natural moral order. Also this causes the problem of deriving an ought from an is (at least for those who understand what this means). Just because it's "natural" doesn't mean it ought to be moral. 3. Divine Nature Theory: Moral values are grounded in the nature of God. God's nature is the standard of goodness, and moral truths are derived from understanding the attributes and characteristics of God. The PROBLEM: This is strictly dependent on some person's claims about what is god's nature. One person can say that god doesn't permit gays to marry. Some other Christian can say that god is OK with gay marriage. 4. Theological Voluntarism: This theory suggests that moral obligations arise from God's will, rather than from God's nature. In other words, morality is determined by what God commands, rather than by God's inherent nature. The PROBLEM: The same problem as above. It's strictly dependent on someone's claim that it's god's will. So I've done the work of the philosophically illiterate Christians on here. They can't even do this, because they have NO idea what they are talking about when they claim that they have objective morality. This is due to at least two reasons. One is that you can't have a moral system that's based on some entity that you don't have some objective access to. And two, you can't have an objective moral system based on a fictional character.

  • @sineaddwanson9294

    @sineaddwanson9294

    Ай бұрын

    YET MORE stupid stmts via one more lost & clueless atheist.............. We're all born with MORALITY having been created in the image & likeness by our MORAL GOD: "Then G0D said, “Let us (Trinity: Father, Word, Holy Spirit) make mankind in our image, in our likeness…” - Genesis 1:26 That's why there is a "JUDGEMENT DAY" in that we will be judged on what we did in the body that was given MORALITY by God himself. Try to learn. Jesus is God: John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with G0D, and the Word was G0D. John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

  • @holgerlubotzki3469

    @holgerlubotzki3469

    Ай бұрын

    @@sineaddwanson9294 Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good! You *LOSE,* you loser.

  • @t800fantasm2

    @t800fantasm2

    Ай бұрын

    @@sineaddwanson9294 "image & likeness by our MORAL GOD:" So is your God as stupid and dishonest as you? Is that why you are a proven LIAR?

  • @t800fantasm2

    @t800fantasm2

    Ай бұрын

    @@sineaddwanson9294 "make mankind in our image, in our likeness…" Does he have balls, a dick and so on... or is he like you....?

  • @quecee

    @quecee

    Ай бұрын

    It's very telling that NEPy couldn't provide ANY concrete response. He couldn't describe how his moral system works. All he can do is spout Bible verses, demonstrating that he doesn't even understand what a moral system is.

  • @ApatheticFish3667
    @ApatheticFish3667Ай бұрын

    NEPy deleted all his posts again...

  • @holgerlubotzki3469

    @holgerlubotzki3469

    Ай бұрын

    I've been reporting his posts as SPAM. But only because I couldn't find an option to report them for stupidity.

  • @Beacon80

    @Beacon80

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@holgerlubotzki3469You could always report everything he says as misinformation. 🤪

  • @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    Ай бұрын

    @@Beacon80 Misinfo, spam or hate speech - whichever's the best fit for any given comment/post. I like to mix it up a bit. By the way, have you noticed that we've been getting Ricky Lamebot's down in record time? It's almost as if YT are on to him 😂

  • @holgerlubotzki3469

    @holgerlubotzki3469

    Ай бұрын

    @@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr The posts from Jaffles barely stay up long enough for me to report them!

  • @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    Ай бұрын

    @@holgerlubotzki3469 Yeah, I noticed that - go team!

  • @Firestorm12345678910
    @Firestorm12345678910Ай бұрын

    If God did not exist 13.7 and 4.543 billion years ago then how could God exist now?

  • @sineaddwanson9294

    @sineaddwanson9294

    Ай бұрын

    God is eternal. That means he's always existed. Your moist rock, not so much. Being that everything is FINITE/DECAYING IN DISORDER (entropy) toward it's heat death end, a NON-DYING CAUSE is required to bring the FINITE into existence. You have a lot to learn.

  • @wyldink1

    @wyldink1

    Ай бұрын

    @@sineaddwanson9294 "Everything" includes your God. Nice try, novice.

  • @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    Ай бұрын

    @@sineaddwanson9294 Prove it

  • @Firestorm12345678910

    @Firestorm12345678910

    Ай бұрын

    @@sineaddwanson9294 That's too much hiding. Why hide from rocks and gas clouds?

  • @garlic_greed
    @garlic_greedАй бұрын

    Moral is insignificant and only exists on earth. The universe is big, no one cares about us and no one should since we're smaller than a grain of sand compared to the whole thing. Arguing about this topic gives you more reasons to live than god himself, you just can't admit it.

  • @FreeStyle888.
    @FreeStyle888.Ай бұрын

    Being the more mature person is a challenge.

  • @Bozo_Weirdo

    @Bozo_Weirdo

    Ай бұрын

    When you lack the maturity to stop treating maturity like a competition, you lose the game you invented. Oh, and I lost “the game”; this is not actually relevant to the topic.

  • @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    Ай бұрын

    @@Bozo_Weirdo You'll get over it.

  • @FreeStyle888.

    @FreeStyle888.

    Ай бұрын

    @@Bozo_Weirdo well you could just be in competition with yourself.

  • @nealjroberts4050

    @nealjroberts4050

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@Bozo_Weirdoit's funny how apposite that is of certain religious posters

  • @Bozo_Weirdo

    @Bozo_Weirdo

    Ай бұрын

    @@nealjroberts4050 That’s fair enough. I as able to witness this “Jim” that others referred to. It was just as nasty and toxic as they said.

  • @BigVernForever
    @BigVernForeverАй бұрын

    Nepy go plop-plop 👶🍼💩

  • @quecee

    @quecee

    Ай бұрын

    We all see him get destroyed in every single thread. But like Walter Mitty, in his imagination, he thinks he's won all his arguments and that he proved that god exists.

  • @BigVernForever

    @BigVernForever

    Ай бұрын

    @@quecee He could at least clean up after himself. Leaving a chain of faeces all over this noble channel without so much as a by-your-leave!

  • @holgerlubotzki3469

    @holgerlubotzki3469

    Ай бұрын

    @@BigVernForever NEPPY Likes rolling around in the faeces he leaves behind.

  • @jonclark8252
    @jonclark8252Ай бұрын

    First!

  • @smochygrice465

    @smochygrice465

    Ай бұрын

    🎉🎉🎉

  • @t800fantasm2

    @t800fantasm2

    Ай бұрын

    Happy Firsties!

  • @joshsheridan9511

    @joshsheridan9511

    Ай бұрын

    Congrats

  • @holgerlubotzki3469

    @holgerlubotzki3469

    Ай бұрын

    Yay!

  • @ookekklibarianbornagain6708

    @ookekklibarianbornagain6708

    Ай бұрын

    🍻

  • @johnfitzgerald8879
    @johnfitzgerald8879Ай бұрын

    The unfortunate truth is that there is no objective morality. I've always run up against this, since the time I complained about about my sister and mom would say, "Well, now you know something about your sister." Really, there ought to be a law, but there isn't. I say, if you're standard of behavior is "It's not illegal", you've got a pretty poor standard. Life is a negotiation. Some are easier because there are arbiters. "We" have standards. I hope they get better with age and never worse. The unfortunate nature is that of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem, that in any reasonable mathematical system there will always be true statements that cannot be proved.

  • @nealjroberts4050

    @nealjroberts4050

    Ай бұрын

    If we can't determine that something is true we can't label it as true. This is why scientists work with null hypotheses and burdens of proof.

  • @nealjroberts4050

    @nealjroberts4050

    Ай бұрын

    @@craedonbwroten6693 And yet you refuse to trust reality. Says it all.

  • @Wix_Mitwirth
    @Wix_MitwirthАй бұрын

    If we're talking about some young guys then probably just reminding them to be respectful and not arrogant would help. They'll get past the puppy-ish "attack everything" vibe at some point, especially with family, I would hope. P.S. Also, your family should turn atheist.

  • @rbwinn3
    @rbwinn3Ай бұрын

    I know how anxious atheists are to prove these equations are wrong, so I am posting them where they are easier to find. x'=x-vt y'=y z'=z t'=t inverse equations x = x' - (-vt/n')n' y = y' z = z' n = n' n' is the time of Einstein's slower clock in Special Relativity. (-vt/n') is the velocity of frame of reference S(x,y,z,n) relative to frame of reference S'(x',y',z',n'). n = n' shows that the time of the slower clock in S' is being used in both frames of reference. Watch how many atheists respond to this.

  • @johnfitzgerald8879
    @johnfitzgerald8879Ай бұрын

    Where is the theist show where atheist call in to prove God doesn't exist?

  • @quecee

    @quecee

    Ай бұрын

    Christians are not generally looking for people to cast doubts on their beliefs.

  • @holgerlubotzki3469

    @holgerlubotzki3469

    Ай бұрын

    If there was such a show and an atheist called in, all the bible believers would tune out as soon as the first atheist was on the line.

  • @nealjroberts4050

    @nealjroberts4050

    Ай бұрын

    Atheism is the Null Hypothesis on belief in gods. As such atheists only need to prove it if they assert there are no gods instead of merely going "i don't believe you" or "I'm unconvinced" to your god claims. Burden of proof only applies to affirmative/positive claims.

  • @joshsheridan9511

    @joshsheridan9511

    Ай бұрын

    Christian apologists disable their comment sections to stop their followers hearing any arguments against their proclamations . They are hardly going to let them hear arguments live.

  • @SevenPr1me

    @SevenPr1me

    Ай бұрын

    Most atheists recognize that the claim itself is unfalsefiable. We don't need to disprove anything if it cannot be proven to be true to begin with. It's called Hitchens razor

  • @Wix_Mitwirth
    @Wix_MitwirthАй бұрын

    If English is this person's second language, they hide it teally well. Hey, native English speakers: pay attention.

  • @wwlib5390
    @wwlib5390Ай бұрын

    John 3 16 is an invitation to know God's love and promise to you. If you implement the teachings and character of Jesus and His promises contained in His many names, you will have an opportunity to experience His presence - as the disciples did - and to begin to know Him. As you draw near to Him, He will draw near to you.

  • @arthurunknown8972
    @arthurunknown8972Ай бұрын

    You believe based on faith. I don't believe based on facts. You use facts on every other topic. I use facts on everything. So, technically, you are the non-believer when your indoctrination meets facts.

  • @rbwinn3
    @rbwinn3Ай бұрын

    I posted the correct equations for relativity several times in the following two conversations. Do you see them there now? My posts get deleted unless atheists think they can be made to look bad to other atheists. One thing they can't find fault with are the equations I use for relativity. Those get deleted every time.

  • @Seticzech

    @Seticzech

    Ай бұрын

    You're lying again.

  • @quecee

    @quecee

    Ай бұрын

    Your "correct" equations do not describe what we ACTUALLY observe in the real world. So just because you have an equation, that doesn't make it right. It's proven wrong by ALL the published research on relativity. And try to figure out what you are putting in that's causing your posts to get filtered. You can't be THIS incompetent.

  • @quecee

    @quecee

    Ай бұрын

    @@Seticzech It is lying or is it delusion when he claims that his equations are correct and ALL the physicists who have been around since Einstein, including Einstein, are ALL wrong?🤔🤔

  • @Beacon80

    @Beacon80

    Ай бұрын

    Again, no person is deleting your posts. Stop playing the victim and figure out what you're doing to trigger the algorithm.

  • @nealjroberts4050

    @nealjroberts4050

    Ай бұрын

    Unfortunately you've been shown to be wrong. Making accusations doesn't absolve you of that.

  • @soothing_de4th863
    @soothing_de4th863Ай бұрын

    You all have the same bots as the young turks. And sub bots too.

  • @quecee

    @quecee

    Ай бұрын

    Are you a bot or a sub bot?

  • @soothing_de4th863

    @soothing_de4th863

    Ай бұрын

    @quecee oh that's right I forgot braindead idiots in denial

  • @jayrose8638

    @jayrose8638

    Ай бұрын

    @@queceenotice they couldn’t seem to deny anything. Hmmmm

  • @quecee

    @quecee

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@soothing_de4th863Denial of what? Denial of a lie that you made without any evidence? You are just a bot. I have as much evidence for that as you have evidence for your claim. How about this? Point to the handles of the bots that you claim are bots.

  • @jonclark8252

    @jonclark8252

    Ай бұрын

    ​@soothing_de4th863 petty insults rather than answering the question: Are you a bot or a sub bot?

  • @user-vy3qh1xw2t
    @user-vy3qh1xw2tАй бұрын

    If there's no God who is morraly superior humans will never agree what is moral

  • @nealjroberts4050

    @nealjroberts4050

    Ай бұрын

    So like now then?

  • @user-vy3qh1xw2t

    @user-vy3qh1xw2t

    Ай бұрын

    @@nealjroberts4050 it's like saying I'm a good person I'm glad I'm not like that guy

  • @user-vy3qh1xw2t

    @user-vy3qh1xw2t

    Ай бұрын

    @@nealjroberts4050 I believe that athiests will part of the new world order under secular humanism

  • @nealjroberts4050

    @nealjroberts4050

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@user-vy3qh1xw2t People are constantly arguing about moral differences so you essentially seem to be declaring a morally superior god is nonexistent.

  • @tonyclements1147

    @tonyclements1147

    Ай бұрын

    If one needs an ancient book to tell them how to act, that says a lot about that person.

  • @user-vy3qh1xw2t
    @user-vy3qh1xw2tАй бұрын

    How can you be morally superior to a God that you don't believe that exists

  • @SevenPr1me

    @SevenPr1me

    Ай бұрын

    Because the biblical god character condones genocide and slavery. I do not. Therefore I'm automatically more moral than this character in a book

  • @nealjroberts4050

    @nealjroberts4050

    Ай бұрын

    Are you morally superior to Voldemort?

  • @wyldink1

    @wyldink1

    Ай бұрын

    @@sineaddwanson9294 A typical Might Makes Right argument. Unsupported by any actual facts, by the way. Is this your A game?

  • @quecee

    @quecee

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@wyldink1His argument is that God has the right to snuff you out in your sleep, just like the owner of a puppy has the right to kill a 14 month old puppy with a shotgun at any time and brag about it in a book. So just be glad that God lets you live. And also, as long as the Bible mentions indentured servitude, ignore all the other parts of the Bible where it says that you can own people like property.

  • @quentind1924

    @quentind1924

    Ай бұрын

    You'd call yourself to be morally superior to most movie antagonists, even tho they don't exists

  • @richardyoung4400
    @richardyoung4400Ай бұрын

    The Risen Lord Savior Jesus Christ provides thirst quenching water for the vast majority on this entire planet... ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Worldly Water Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” JOHN 4:13-14

  • @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    @Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

    Ай бұрын

    I already told you - my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was born out of wedlock, so I'm not eligible for Heaven. God doesn't like bastards, despite being one himself.

  • @joshsheridan9511

    @joshsheridan9511

    Ай бұрын

    🤔🤮🤮🤮

  • @quentind1924

    @quentind1924

    Ай бұрын

    @@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr Wait does the bible really says that if you make kids before it, the kid will go to hell whatever happens ? Do people actually believe in a god like that that punishes kids for what their parents did ?

  • @holgerlubotzki3469

    @holgerlubotzki3469

    Ай бұрын

    richard... I could be persuaded to believe what you believe but there is one really big barrier in my way. In order to get on my knees and worship your g0d I would first need to come to believe that it is morally acceptable to slaughter children to punish their parents. I have thought about it long and hard, but I just can't get there. I guess it must be the fault of my parents and the way I was raised as a child. Maybe you can help me with this? How did you do it? Or were you brought up by your parents to believe those kinds of evil acts are morally acceptable?

  • @goldenageofdinosaurs7192

    @goldenageofdinosaurs7192

    Ай бұрын

    I try to drink 4-8 cups a day, even more in summer, which is very hot in southern AZ 🥵

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