Paul your unique way of reviewing amazes me every time. Keep up the good work

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

Trying. I'll be ok reviewing a few simple 1DD sets after Dusk.

The wonderful thing about this IEM is it forces people to admit you can EQ IEM's. Every time I ask this to people in this hobby it is like it is some kind of taboo word.

@JoseFerreira-zb7wh

2 ай бұрын

You can just use it in stock analog form, so, not really.

@exhibitD79

2 ай бұрын

@@JoseFerreira-zb7wh You can use the analogue or DSP cable. The DSP is literally applying EQ. It's one of the key features.

@JoseFerreira-zb7wh

2 ай бұрын

@@exhibitD79 yes but you're not forced to anything as you have the analog option as well. you only use the dsp cable if you want to.

@exhibitD79

2 ай бұрын

@@JoseFerreira-zb7wh The "Forcing" I am referring to is that most reviewers are praising the DSP. And more than that, it's an industry changing IEM product from a strong brand that is promoting EQ via DSP. This cannot be ignored. In this sense, people are being forced to acknowledge it. Obviously I don't mean literally that people don't know you can EQ an IEM. The point here is that there are obvious benefits to EQ.

@JoseFerreira-zb7wh

2 ай бұрын

@@exhibitD79 it's nothing like that.(an industry changing product) This exact same cable is for sale for quite some time now. Moondrop has released other iems with this same cable. The difference is this is marketed by crinacle and has some presets tuned by him. Something that really confuses me is that reviewers that almost ignored or even trashed this cable and the app when they came out are now praising it. A qudelix 5k, fiio ka17, or simply any dongle dac with hiby os, uapp or just wavelet will do the same thing for a lot less money. No revolution here other than the unjustified hype when you actually and rationally think about it. Just don't give in to the hype.

I always enjoy how you leave your notes up during your reviews

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

Everyone has notes, but I use them to edit myself and stay on track. Too many notes on Dusk but did ok. I just watched another review which was very good, but I went like 3 layers deep versus just saying Dusk is a great set.

Great video Paul, they look very interesting

Nice video, I think a lot of newbies will appreciate your way of explaining low and high shelfs.

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

No one uses shelves as they are somewhat specific to the implementation, even on squig vs wavelet. So it is basically converting parametric shelf to graphic but you can still control it more or less like parametric. But yeah, just trying to make it easier for people to get started on something that is not easy to start

Kudos for mentioning the fact that it solves the hybrid resolution problem with planars. Great review as always!

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

I am not sure anyone else will agree, but there is something nice there.

Fantastic format Paul. I use iOS and my FiiO Q15 has PEQ. It actually works very well. My BTR15 has PEQ too. Works great. I have a feeling we are going to be seeing more DSP iem sets in 2024.

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

I don't mind the DSP cables, but if I had a Q15, I'd like to use it too. Generally, the DSP cable gave me a bunch of ideas that I would implement on the Q15.

Great detailed review as usual Paul. I personally really liked the DSP graph, meets my preferred curve very well (didn't a chance to review it) But in my opinion for the price they should have supplied a better analog cable specially with modular jacks. If anything they could just supply the aria 2 cable

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

Not that the analog cable was an afterthought, but something going on there. The DSP graph is nice though. As I said, gave me a few ideas.

Excellent observations and tweaks, another Paul Wasabi master class, this time focusing on MxCD. You know it's a dirty shame consumers have to exert so much energy just to squeeze out her true worth. Thanks for the alchemy lesson to show us MxCD's true magic.

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

Yes, it is a bit of work, but I also want people who drop the money on it to have a good experience if they don't like the presets or analog.

Love your work,Paul. Hope you can gets your hands on a Tanchjim Origins. Would love your input on how the bass can be improved.

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

I had asked at the time, got a No on the origin. Maybe they got it better on 4U.

Im getting myself a pair in may. Cant wait 🙂‍↕️

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

Good luck

30 minute paul wasabii video?? Let's goooo! Super torn with this. I actually wanna get this to explore the different tunings. For someone not yet versed in EQ, I think this is a great entry into it. The price is really the issue as it's basically gonna be competing with the likes of the Hype 4 and Mega 5-EST.

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, 30 min video is Akros style. He pulls off that length better than I do. I purposely got out of the 20+ minute game unless the set has a lot going on. Yes, there is no rush, Dusk will be there when the dust settles on the new sets by the end of the year. Sit back and wait to see if they discount it later on.

@hartyewh1

2 ай бұрын

Mega 5est is $200 more so not in the same price range imo.

@KmtS9

2 ай бұрын

@@hartyewh1 Mega5-EST is only around $460 where I am. So only about $100 difference. And imho, when considering things in the $400-500 range, $100 shouldn't be a major factor anymore when deciding. But if the price difference was closer to $200, the Dusk is likely the better value.

Nice video Sir! I'm not big on EQ, I'll pass on these.

I've been using wavlete for a while now and it really helped me understand preference more and graphs. This product is strange because the app and the dsp cable has a noise floor i hear. Not that im hating on crinacle or moondrop but you can just get a iem that measures smooth on the treble and use tools like wavelete to make compensation graphs to fit popular preferences targets like Harman or JM-1.

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

Interesting, I didn't notice the noise floor, but I also was looking for levels more than critical listening. I also didn't have the app crash or other weird things I see reported. But I can understand all the connect/disconnects aren't helpful for app stability. I honestly don't know how it will play out, will people embrace the DSP presets, PEQ, or something else.

PEQ for the win.

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

PEQ, GraphicEQ, whatever gets you enjoying the set

Does that mean the DSP cable is just a cable with build in DAC and a EQ profile? And, if I EQ myself I can achieve the same thing with the analog cable, or is there just something that only the DSP cable can do?

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

crinacle.com/2024/04/10/moondrop-x-crinacle-dusk-eq-dsp-values/ Yes, the DSP cable is essentially a usb dongle with 2pin connector. Yes, you can EQ the same presets yourself since Crinacle gave us the values.

Excellent review! I think for me, who am sensitive to " twinkles and sparkles", like Akros says, would like a 2 DD + 2/4 BA similar to your EQed version at sub $200. Why don't you do a collab? If it was under $200 I'd get it. :)

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

I think this year will play out as the 2DD rollout. Most of them have been quite nice. Something like a cross of Hype 2 and Cadenza4. 2DD+a couple Sonions tuned more natural. Should be quite a few 2DD options this year

so I assume you still need high quality drivers when equalizing or for a dsp to work optimally

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

Yes, Moondrop does high quality drivers and Dusk feeds on more resolving sources.

Wish more "EXPENSIVE" makers would allow the same EQ customization!

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

We'll see how this works out over the months. I think they need to work out the issues brought up in Dusk with the DSP cable.

sorry im new into this hoppy around a year also i have some quetions also how i can choose my iem and analyzie like most of people ? how i can read freq of any iem and mesure and compare to other iem and hear diffrent also im using hi res songs and flac files like paul mention in video sometimes i didnt hear any diffrent quality in sound of iems i used many iem so whats the issue also choose my tunning i cant choose i used those iem im currently use now : aful 8 perfomer , simgot em6l iems i used before : 7hz zero red , 7hz salantos , seeaudio bravery , seeuaudio yume , trn 3 , s12 pro letshour

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

I would stop buying IEMs and just listen to the ones you have for a while. The hobby is about spending lots of money for small differences. At some point your brain will click on these small differences. No need to chase all these sets at this point.

I admit im interested but I already own a Variations so its hard to buy stuff near its price range

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

Variations is super nice. No need to side grade.

can i connect the dsp cable to my pc directly if my motherboard has a usb type c connection? and can i use the EQ presets or the moondrop app on my pc?

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

You can use it on your PC as the DSP stores the preset. Can you change the presets? Not sure. That would require the Android link app in an emulator with usb access. On a PC, I use Foobar for local files, has an EQ. Otherwise there is Peace Equalizer too. If you are going to use a PC, you can just EQ the presets yourself crinacle.com/2024/04/10/moondrop-x-crinacle-dusk-eq-dsp-values/

@americoechevarria8387

2 ай бұрын

@@PaulWasabii ty for the reply, so if I connect the dsp cable to my pc it will load the default preset of the dsp, that’s pretty much the only one I wanna try cause the other 4 are no good for me and will use it with analog later on…

for Gaming & music which one i should buy as a beginner ?? 1. tangzhu waner SG 2. Moon drop chu 2 3. zsn pro 2 4.Saltox Zero 2 Please rank them according to your experienced ears .. And help me to get my 1st IEM bro...

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

I will make this easier, they are all similar. Buy the one that looks good or the cheapest.

After this, We all know they gotta be releasing a kato 2 within 6 months after this. Its their only other big iem they havent revisited for an upgrade yet.

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

I can't see it early in the year, but maybe right at the end of the year. Seems like Kato isn't that old.

@LuciferArc1

2 ай бұрын

@PaulWasabii true but neither was the snow edition of the aria. This is their last revisit to check off that will definetly bring people who weren't satisfied with the Stellaris back. Theyre missing the 100-200 part of the market at the moment. So I can see them trying to redeem with kato 2

@LuciferArc1

2 ай бұрын

@PaulWasabii plus they're being challenged by simgot for that market and tbh...simgot is crushing it lately in the 80-200 range

I think your eq setting could be too warm and too warm and too bassy, basically no longer has a pinna gain. while the bass does look like xenns top, xenns top also has more upper mids to balance it out. but you are also reducing the upper mids.

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

Yeah that is why I use Wavelet slider. At 25%, that is 1db-ish on bass,

Great video and way of approaching the review. Appreciate you sharing the EQ. My unit is still in flight, but even more excited to give it a listen now. On EQ, it is such a missed opportunity in this hobby. Every one of my sets are EQ’d to some degree. My Scarlett Mini is EQ’d to a Grand Maestro. Regretted selling my SA6 Ultra so my MK2 is EQ’d to that tuning instead of its default. I have an S12 that attempts something akin to the Glamdring. I added back in some of luster and sparkle to the Hype 4 to bring it 90% of the way to a Monarch MK3. It’s not a necessity to EQ your sets, but you get so much more mileage when you do. And it’s not as challenging to learn these days, which you can do right here on KZread. Here’s to hoping the guys in #get-roles - HELP!! are doing well and staying strong.

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

LOL..I am holding down #get-roles, keeping the peace. Yeah, if you are already EQ'ing, that is basic but as you said, most people are hesitant to try. I keep trying to find ways to make it more approachable as I use it all the time as well on Foobar. It is infinitely cheaper to EQ than keep chasing the rainbow with a new set each month.

Wavelet decreased the technical performance of my set, Doesn't do this to you?

@PaulWasabii

7 күн бұрын

I tend to use UAPP more as I bought the PEQ, that is better, but wanted to put something out that didn't cost money to try. I would say my dongles decreased the performance more than Wavelet compared to my desktop

Great review. Would these be a noticeable upgrade from EA500LM?

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

Weirdly, you would notice on the bass if you EQ'd it. Both are nicely resolving sets so you would notice that less compared to having a 2DD bass range. That is the general problem with the hobby, you pay 3X more and you will almost never find a 3X return

@Mark-hb2zy

2 ай бұрын

​@@PaulWasabiithis is where I see the whole DSP cable thing opening a can of worms for me. It has to be said you could probably take most other IEMs in the price range and EQ yourself a dusk, or something very close to it. So if we're going to say an DSP cable is an acceptable part of a review I feel like we have to then say, maybe don't upgrade, just try a bit of EQ

2DD+2BA+2Planar=2Expensive

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

Blessing 3 was up there with 2DD+4BA. Swapping in a couple micro planars for $40usd wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. But you are right. it is a lot of money regardless.

@JoseFerreira-zb7wh

2 ай бұрын

Specially when taking into account the main focus of the product is dsp and peq. Just try that with other iems. Paul just gave a nice tip with wavelet.

@Cujobob

2 ай бұрын

@@JoseFerreira-zb7whthat’s not true, though. The EQ perfects the response, no IEM has ideal response, it’s just that the fixes for any issues can introduce other audible problems.

@afuyan

2 ай бұрын

​​@@PaulWasabii Paul, Micro Planar is not that expensive. It's have been used in quite a lot on TWS. Putting that on a cabled earphones with this price range doesn't make any sense. I bet we can meet in Osaka here and do double blind test contest in that sea of IEMs. Let's make all Blessing 1, Blessing 2, Blessing 3, Dusk and Variations or any IEMs similarly shaped and PEQ all them the same, I doubt not only you, even Crinacle can't tell the difference.

@JoseFerreira-zb7wh

2 ай бұрын

@@Cujobob i'll give you that. You shoud try it with iems that don't need big gain changes. still, one can end up with very similar results spending a lot less.

A junk

Micro planar seems basically just a pseudo planar called "SPD" in small form, nothing new here, you can get a similar thing in Huawei Freebuds without breaking your wallet and that stupid Cringe-nacle name on it. This is the most embarrassment of Moondrop, without a Cringenacle name their reputation on this release will be burn into ashes.

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

There have been a few versions and I am not sure of the origin of Moondrop's micro planar. The square planar from Kinera, they have a round one too like Moondrop May's planar. Rinko had one. I don't think they are going away, but would certainly welcome to see Dusk's at a lower price point.

Bleesing 2 Dusk - people soiling themselves with joy, Blessing 3 - pretty much upgraded Dusk half way to Variations, people - MEH, Crinacle Dusk 2 - slightly upgraded Blessing 3, people soiling themselvs again because MUH BASS! BTW planars for trebles are stupid idea no mater what, especialy with poor QC

@PaulWasabii

2 ай бұрын

You hit it there, the endgame of most of these similarly tuned sets is Variations. Also why that set is still popular today.

@apothecy4011

Ай бұрын

​@@PaulWasabiiDusk surpasses the Variations, IMO. There is no need to get the Variations any more as an endgame. Dusk is better and cheaper than it.