MOOG is just living off there name at this point in time. Its been that way for the last few years now. Been using OEM parts with great success. Yes they cost more but Im not replacing parts That i just replaced.

@adrienroy9310

3 жыл бұрын

The words right out of my mouth. I WASTED money on moog, buy OEM, pricey but worth it. You're saving buying oem once honestly.

@robertwright5487

3 жыл бұрын

The only issue is finding some of these OEM parts, many just aren't being made anymore so there is no choice but after market or if you can find a good part in a salvage yard.

@philllsxga.7737

3 жыл бұрын

Buy OEM!!!

@gratefuldale117

Жыл бұрын

I lea4ned this OEM Best lesson upon building inventory to rebuild entire front suspension on my 2006 Tundra DC Ltd. Once the Pandemic hit and I had a chance to fully engage in the job, it quickly became clear why. My less than 2 year old MOOG LCAs are already failing under 5K, and Outer Tie Rods, end links, LBJs and Bushings are already failing. Also, now ALL prices are up substantially so the pain will be multifaceted. It pisses me off to no end having to do these jobs over so soon and turns out MOOG Warranty is not honored by any sellers except those offering to buy extended warranty at purchase, like PartsGeek and a couple others. Not Amazon, eBay, etc...

@MC...

Жыл бұрын

@@gratefuldale117 When you got your moog lbj, were they the Chinese ones? Mine came with the Sankei 555 Made in Japan. I never seen a moog part that said Made in USA, if so Ill be looking

And why there are no jobs in America. All shipped over seas. But we still pay made in America prices.

@jaysmith179

3 жыл бұрын

I blame Biden. Trump was trying to put a stop to the China made crap.

@robertwright5487

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaysmith179 No, Trump did nothing but brag and posture. The tariffs imposed on China are being paid for by us the American people, not China. Just because Trump claimed to be tough and claimed that he brought back jobs and is punishing China doesn't translate to reality. 🙄

@Jim-ee6pz

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaysmith179 ~ Thank you! Some people still won't admit that Trump did a TERIFFIC job as President. Meanwhile, Biden is making all the wrong decisions ( as he's always done ).

@pete1342

10 ай бұрын

Check the house and senate votes on all of our trade agreements sometime. They're easily researchable online in the congressional record. I'll save you some time. No matter which party controlled congress, a majority of democrats voted against all of them, and the majority of republicans voted for them. Every. Single. One.

@user-sf7kl9uh7k

10 ай бұрын

​@@Jim-ee6pzYeah, he did such a good job you lost over 1.1 million people to COVID.

This is what happens when we buy parts on price. They turn to shit to make a price point. Moog used to be called "The Problem Solver", now _they_ are the problem.

Napa is expensive. I've change my suspension more times in one year. Moog products suck. Ac Delco is expensive as well. Every Auto store are selling garbage. So I understand your frustration.

@majorahole

2 жыл бұрын

So what's the answer?

Moog was the name of the family that started and owned the company into the 1980`s. When the father found out his son`s were not interested in taking over the company, it was then sold to Fiat. Then Federal Mogul bought it. Everything was moved out of St. Louis Missouri to the south and Mexico by the end of the 1990s and ultimately to China.

@joeyocom5087

3 жыл бұрын

Country of manufacture is on the box

@lew908c

3 жыл бұрын

To bad they gave the business away, quality went with it

@joeyocom5087

3 жыл бұрын

@@lew908c Almost every other parts distributor does the same thing. The distribute shit made in other countries and try to blow smoke up your ass and tell you Chinese shit is good

@adrienroy9310

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeyocom5087 exactly. I say the same thing.

@mattlawton4715

2 жыл бұрын

@@lew908c yep just remember moog are shit now avoid avoid avoid.

So glad I just came across this vid. I’m literally in the middle of writing down my suspension list which I now have to go back and redo thanks to this vid. 4 both sides, I need stabilizer link, inner & outer tie rods, upper & peer control arms & center link for my 2004 Yukon Xl Denali. I put down all Moog parts and prices now I’m going to rethink this. And I thought it was me when my Moog outer tie rods went bad quick. Those are already under Warranty the rest I’ll have to buy. Thanks for this vid I’m not chancing it on Moog 😥

@klg1001

3 жыл бұрын

Hey there, how would you know that you need a new center link? It never even crossed my mind, i just thought it was a piece of metal.

Moog used to be the best option for steering and suspension. They were as good, if not better, than OEM parts. It’s a shame how their quality has fallen.

@abechavez1876

2 жыл бұрын

Oh lucyfer, how has thy fallen

@americanmade422

2 жыл бұрын

I believe the bushings are still decent. But everything else is a coin toss

I finally spent extra money on Moog struts after so many failures of Monro struts. It was an expensive lesson, to be sure. Monro: Lasts two weeks before squeaking, seals fail at three months. Moog: Lasts two DAYS before squeaking, so far (a month) the seals haven't failed, but it's still too early to feel safe. Finding aftermarket parts has become a bit of a crap shoot these days. And, just like craps played in a casino, the "House Always Wins."

@lew908c

3 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t agree more after market has been terrible. Quality products are getting harder to find.

@adrienroy9310

3 жыл бұрын

Brother I'm with you, just can't find quality parts anymore. Every jobs done 2 or 3 times before some works right or has longevity. It's the reason I'm watching this video.

@cward1954

2 жыл бұрын

Too many players in the aftermarket parts world. Where one parts company fails, another one will appear, and is the quality any better? Most likely not. Competition is good, saturation is not.

Just an FYI regarding the topic of "country of origin" (COO). The phrase "Exclusively for North America" on the MOOG box does not mean the contents of the box were made in North America. U.S. Customs law requires that every article of foreign origin be marked with the article's COO so that the purchaser can easily determine its origin if that matters to that person who might buy it. That phrase merely means that it was made for distribution in North America. Under the law, an article that is not marked with its COO can be presumed to be of U.S. origin. Of course, that presumes the manufacturer/packager is correctly applying the law. An article made in China should clearly state on either the article itself, or its packaging, "Made in China" or "Product of China". Most people do quite a bit of "shopping" on the internet today. Unfortunately, many internet sellers do not indicate an article's COO on their websites, and the purchaser can't tell until they after they've receive the article, which is too late if the COO mattered to them.

I ordered tie rod, ball joints, idler arm and idler arm bracket and upper control arms from Amazon a couple of weeks ago. By luck of the draw, they all were Made In America and fit fine. I made sure the parts were K or CK which is their top tier line and some were even HD versions of the K/CK line. Amazon actually listed where the items were made.

@welfareorphan

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. I bought their upper and lower ball joints and sway bar links from Amazon. Just by luck, the joints were made in the USA and the sways were made in Mexico. All of the part numbers cstart with a "K" though.

This is sad. It used to be that Moog front end parts lasted the lifetime of the car! They were much better than the OEM parts.

@jbbolts

2 жыл бұрын

there are a lot of counterfeit parts floating around any chance the real moog are still good?

I've had good luck with "Detroit Axle".

@adrienroy9310

3 жыл бұрын

Me too. Surprisingly that cheap shit is better than moog now.

@user5.56

3 жыл бұрын

Happy to hear that Cuz i just ordered 2 hubs for my truck from them.. cuz i didnt want Moog anymore

@theSword-

3 жыл бұрын

@@user5.56 ....Right. It's sad, because I remember moog being great.

@shyne5637

2 жыл бұрын

Detroit axle is trash

This explains the lower control arms and axle problems over the last couple years. Buying them on rock auto.

I've had nothing but problems with Moog front end components for the last 20 or so years. I worked for a shop that dealt with a supplier that sold nothing but in the early 2000's, we would mark and date each part we put on, most didn't make it 3 months, some came back withing a week.

Great explanation as to what happened

Make sure moog has a "K" in the part number.. these are problem solver parts and are kuch higher quality.

I used to travel to China several times a year for several years on business. One thing I learned very quickly; China makes two types of the same product. The products produced for domestic consumption is a very high quality. The very same product made for export, especially those sent to the U.S., is very inferior quality by comparison. If I want a quality automotive product like suspension components, I will spend the extra money and buy American or European. I don't like to pay for the same piece of real estate twice. Cheers.

Here's one for you, bought a Genuine GM PS pump from the dealer for my Duramax. Made in China.

Hello Sir, Thank you for making this honest & informative video. I do you have an Autozone nearby? They have many parts with lifetime warranties and exchanges only require proof of purchase and a box. Sure it's made in china but same day part exchanges I assume would help. Anyways very sad the direction American businesses are going. I think I read in a book that some of the first harley motorcycles were made from scrap materials stolen from train yards. ✌

Alot of ball joints are way under greased also. The boot is supposed to be full so that when it moves it pushes grease around. So if the boot fails then it will fail that I understand but iv seen about the amount of grease be the same size as a bead of toothpaste for a tooth brush inside of a ball joint.

Sad but true. I’m sitting on a 50 year old “someday” project and really regret not buying parts before now.

Sad but true. I installed Moog pitman into 3500 (1T) Express, didn't fit as far onto the steering shaft and was skinnier than the OEM Delco. Bugged me but will admit I still installed it. Then I found numerous posts about the arm snapping at the ball joint on 1T trucks, especially with even a leveling kit. No thanks. I tossed it and installed factory Delco. And its a pain on the vans, the box has to come out. But no way I was leaving it on. More and more we are flooded with crap parts.

@lew908c

3 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t agree with you more. I’m glad you tossed it. A broken pitman arm is scary stuff.

@radiorick4975

3 жыл бұрын

Some years ago replaced pitman arm, slot missing on splines so could not go on wrong way. Steering wheel was 90° off. Guy at AutoZone store wanted to argue with me that I could reposition steering wheel. Bought another down the street. Had same problem with an EGR valve not hold vacuum. Gone through a number of crankshaft and camshaft sensors. AutoZone tells me they have no way of informing corporate of inferior product.

I totally see your point. It’s harder and harder to search online for NA-made parts and hope you’ll find the right ticket. Options are dwindling.

@lew908c

3 жыл бұрын

I knew making the video that I was going to have some uncertainty amongst the guys who have been long time purchasers of MOOG and other after market parts. There are some diehards, I just happened to talk to the right parts rep at the right time, “of coarse after I had already changed out far to many parts”when they transitioning parts and just wanted to share the info and help fellow mechanics.

@WalterMelons

11 ай бұрын

@@lew908c when I search on rock auto it anywhere else for parts there are other brands I’ve never heard of, what brands do you prefer?

Moog use to be the best! Today not so much!

I had bought a Moog wheel bearing for my 2006 Saturn Vue Part#: 513190 and had bought it off of eBay back on May 12th, 2021. The bearing started having problems just a few days before Christmas of 2022. That being said.. The wheel bearing lasted 1 year and 6 months in total time from date of purchase to when it was installed on May 15th, 2021 on a Saturday morning. I did re-check and the Made in China was listed on the box! So I suppose I got lucky and got at least 1 and a half years out of it before failure. I am going to be purchasing OEM as well now myself as I do not want to have to replace wheel bearings even that soon unlike the many others on here that state anywhere from 1 to 3 days, a month or less! I want at least a good 4 to 5 years before undertaking that job again so soon. Bring back Made In USA again!!

I love moog.

I feel u on the moog hubs I did the rears they made noise 2 days later all after market parts are trash now poor quality

I switched to Mevotech a while back. Their TTX line is very tough and out performs OEM more often than not.

@saginaw60

5 ай бұрын

My TTX ona Honda Accord failed after 300 miles. Dangerous!

You need to keep the boxes clean and all the packaging nice, so you can return them after you see how crappy they are.

Our shop has switched to oem only policy a few weeks ago because of this problem. We are doing the same repairs on the same car multiple times and we were getting bad reviews. We are done with aftermarket suspension and engine parts.

Currently installing a MOOG hub assembly on my 2008 Chevy 3500 HD DRW 4x4. This video is making me nervous! The only hub assembly for my DRW our parts store had in stock at the time. Not a lot of choices where I live. I mechanic out of necessity. My truck is how my business exists. Thanks for the Information!

MOOG gets their parts from all over the world. They put their name on the stuff made in Mexico

@ubmixinb360

3 жыл бұрын

Check your OEM stickers in your NEW cars......PLENTY of stuff is made or assembled in Mexico. That doesn't make it a bad thing.

@joeyocom5087

3 жыл бұрын

@@ubmixinb360 Assembled and Manufactured are two different things. I only drive classics, new cars are shit.

Once Cooper group sold to federal mogul all lines went to heck..moog..wagner..anco ....precision u joint ( then even sold that name to oreilly...and use moog name for the joints).

Yep I watched a friend of have a balljoint failure and spin at 70 mph and get lucky.

My car is kinda dangerous right now, and this would be a perfect time for a car jacker to get what they deserve. My 6 month old control arms now give me what is described as torque steering. I bought TRQ parts because they were slightly more, so I assumed it would be quality. When my steering wheel jumps, it comes back fast, then stays sloppy and would easily be over compensated into the ditch. I'm only going to buy parts from a pull-it yard or original Toyota parts now. The labor is double the extra cost of a good (original) part. Also who wants to keep replacing the same part yearly after knowing the original lasted 300,0000 miles 😮 Thanks for making this video it helped my suspension of how what looks like the same part can have 3 very different prices. The price seems to be irrelevant to quality and they absolutely don't care about the labor. "Just buy our parts "

The RK part number on the video is a MOOG value part. MOOG made that line to offer a cheaper alternatives

@Ed70Nova427

2 жыл бұрын

Agree! I wish MOOG offered a CK quality option for every part though. I try not to shop price, I just don't want to have to do the job twice or worse.

I only buy 555 for my 79 620 Datsun KC and most came in MOOG boxes.

@joeyocom5087

3 жыл бұрын

Luckily for me when I found out this info a month ago, I checked all my other boxes and all were made in Japan. The ball joints, tie rod ends, all 555 made in Japan. The ball joints came in MOOG boxes, a TRW box and a true orange 555 brand box, all say made in Japan and have 555 on the part. I searched through many sellers on ebay to find all 555 stuff. If you order it from the store, you are stuck with it. I bought a pickup coil for the matchbox dizzy at Autozone last year for a spare and it was dusty and was made in Japan........

My garage doesn't include labor with parts that have a warranty, they do base the labor cost, when the warrantied part(s) were installed.

My sway bar greaseable all metal links are MOOG better than original , but a friend got a MOOG hub that failed.

Feel your pain bro! I’ve had good luck with ACdelco.. Larry

@bobroberts2371

3 жыл бұрын

The AC Delco of today just reboxes china parts so no advantage there.

@meyou245

3 жыл бұрын

AC Delco is junk.

@joeyocom5087

3 жыл бұрын

Most AC/ Delco is made in China Beck/Arley doesn't make anything and MOOG gets parts from all over the world. I got lucky and all my MOOG shit came from Japan. Japanese parts for a Japanese truck. Why I stay with 555, Made In Japan. www.suspension.com/blog/where-are-moog-parts-made/?sfw=pass1620047619

@joeyocom5087

3 жыл бұрын

SKF and NTN are Chinese now also and TIMKEN is going to China. They were known for being the best, not anymore Import Direct comes from all over the world also

I've replaced lower ball joints on a acura tsx 1 years ago with moog of course you think that they will last a while, a year later they started squeaking like crazy I've bought another set of moogs these say they were made in America hopefully they'll last more than a year we'll see only time will tell 💁‍♂️

@bobroberts2371

3 жыл бұрын

Moog makes 2 levels of parts. A R at the beginning of the part number is the lower price / quality line.

Have a 2012 Nissan Maxima SV. Need front lower control arms. Anything decent out there? What about Delphi, Dorman, AC Delco, Suspensia? Any good? Everything seems to be crap now. May have to spend $232 for OEM Nissan dealer part.

I worked at advance for three years all the local shops never bought moog the carquest/driveworks parts have a better warentee faster to get when there is a problem. And there will be a problem.

My moog end link tie rods are already making crazy noises after 7 months

Scary out there these days with suspension parts especially ball joints that will not hold the specified torque on the stud when installing new. Have had the stud snap Off OR THE THREADS pull off when that given torque is applied! Where is the federal government as to these parts being tested and the makers shut down! There are safety standards being bought off or complete incompetence in our system that was designed to protect us from this kind of business dealings of copy or substandard parts.

In the UK moog parts have fallen to bits as I have been fitting them I will not have these parts in my shop any more

I have moog sway bar links but the bushing looks to be hard plastic anyone know what their made of and durability wise ?

@DumpsterFlies

3 жыл бұрын

my moog sway bar links are metal and very beefy. got it for an 07 sentra. the plastic is garbage.

"Made exclusively for North America" doesn't have anything to do with where it's made.

My moog wheel bearings say "made in Taiwan". They are pretty good too.

The cost of oem is less then time wasted on parts that dont work.

Don't forget mexico as the u-joint boxes state

Mevotech ttx like I’ve heard is good. I also am pulling away from moog. I’ve seen their quality failing very drastically in the past few years. The quality of steel, the machining (joints being extremely rough), parts out of spec that can not be installed, and much more make them seem like a downgrade from what they use to be. I am trying carquest premium this go around (I just replaced everything under my ram). Worst case they don’t last as long I will warranty swap them. I also went this way because with a friend that’s a manger I get like at cost price lol. So new control arms for $100 out the door is hard to turn down.

I've been saying for 20 years look at the package look at the box everything you buy if it's not USA don't buy it!!!

I ordered ball joints and inner and outer tie rods from rock auto and luckily all the moog parts were made in America except for the inner tie rods that were made in mexico. I wonder if it was because the parts were wholesale they were older? Anyways I’m probably not gonna use any more moog parts for my car

@AndresRodriguez-hn8oz

Жыл бұрын

Any update on failures?

The problem is not necessarily the fact that something is made in China. It is most often that the company management that does not ensure any quality control. Am I willing to spend the extra money for good parts? You bet. But competition is stiff and manufacturers keep cutting costs. Thats why they go to China in the first place. Cheap labor costs.

And the CEOs pay goes through the roof!!!

3:01 A R at the front of a part number is Moogs less expensive parts level.

@hondaslave-kd6hi

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. Get to get CK

@AndresRodriguez-hn8oz

Жыл бұрын

@@hondaslave-kd6hi So CK are the best ones? Do they actually hold up?

@hondaslave-kd6hi

Жыл бұрын

@@AndresRodriguez-hn8oz 12k on them. No problems so that's a plus,

Moog used to brand to buy; the quality control was top flight and those parts that were improvements over stock were their "problem solver series." If I couldn't get Moog (I started in early 70's in this industry) I would buy TRW, makers of OEM steering, suspension parts. I still have some NOS Moog, USA built parts, and differences in quality control is amazing between USA and China manufacture. However, Moog has had some Mexican, Taiwan manufactured parts as well. If made in Mexico or China, pass. The last bushing set I bought made in Mexico (couldn't get anything else at the last moment) the quality was the pits. The Taiwan pitman arm, was clean, well finished and actually better made than the OEM Mopar unit, in my opinion. Parts that start with"R" in some suspension and steering parts are almost always 100% Chinese, double check country of origin on the box or part. I have nothing against Chinese auto parts, almost everyone makes their parts there, the issue is quality control and materials used in manufacturing. Other parts makers of auto parts seem to have the same standards of quality on their parts , regardless of point of origin. I recently purchased a very respected name bearing, much to my surprise, manufactured in China. But, looking at part closely before installing it, was surprised at the quality control and tolerance in it. I installed and it hasn't been a problem.

CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT!!!! LET'S BANKRUPT THIS COMPANY!

@bobroberts2371

3 жыл бұрын

What would you claim in the suit? Be specific.

@ubmixinb360

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobroberts2371 lololol....Yeah they don't think about that.........It broketed.......lololol..

Moog China manufactured parts are total crap...I had u-joints from Moog installed..lasted 3 months. And you're right..paid the labor twice. Could have gotten Mopar OEM and saved money.

Nothing but trouble in every MOOG part I've ever bought.

The unfortunate situation is to be able to prove these have caused accidents you’d have to go through another large corporation(s) the insurance companies. And they aren’t going to throw another Corp under the bus unless it’s obvious to the public, which don’t know a lot about mechanics. And how does one single company make all car parts and be able to just make hundreds of brands? It seems like a monopoly to me which is supposedly illegal.

My upper ball joints keep going bad once a year moog

Someone needs to build so factories or a bunch of smaller businesses that all work together to make here in the USA making theses parts we all need. Will they cost more absolutely but I would pay double for quality American made product that’s last for 10 years rather than 10 days. Make it so a company will make a profit but not at the cost of their product quality and customers. We the people need to put these big global cooperations out of business. Do it by boycott I guess power through money well don’t give it them.

@jaysmith179

3 жыл бұрын

I blame Biden. Trump was trying to put a stop to the China made crap.

The only parts that i always have to replace, are the MOOG parts that have already been replaced. It's a company built on AMericas Business model to make money again and again and again on garabage parts with chinese origin

Moog hasn't been made in America in a long time.

@bobroberts2371

3 жыл бұрын

3:01 A R at the front of a part number is Moogs less expensive parts level.

The modern age of brand harvesting by off shore companies.

Moog boxes that say made in Taiwan better or worse?

OEM or NAPA I guess now.

@michaelevans1112

3 жыл бұрын

Napa is rebadged dorman. Made in china. I work for napa. Oem is always your best bet.

@garycasper2929

3 жыл бұрын

CHINA bought out WIX.. (filters)

Moog was once a solid product but they have slipped, a lot. Made in North America includes Canada. America includes North America (USA, Canada), Central America & South America. Made for America?? Made where? That's confusing & misleading for most folks. I am not a professional mechanic but do a lot of work on my own cars & relatives cars. Hate to replace a part that has only been in service for a few months. These bogus parts are a pain & are dangerous.

@lew908c

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, they built such a good name and sold out its to bad. I have written to a few law firms. There are not enough confirmed deaths involving the part manufacturer. Also Moog will not confirm if the castings made in china are held to American standard.

@larryhutchens7593

3 жыл бұрын

@@lew908c True, the metallurgy quality of Chinese made parts is suspect especially metal cutting tools. The latest episode I had with a Chinese made front wheel bearing assembly was on my little 93 Chrysler LeBaron sedan. It had 51K miles on it when purchased. Needed to replace the rt front wheel bearing assy. Got one from the local Advance store, took it home & did a trial fit. The boss that fits inside the counter bore of the steering knuckle fit real loose. Measurement showed that the boss was machined about .070" too small. This would put a lot of dangerous strain on the 4 bolts that held the bearing onto the knuckle. I returned the unit & went searching for one that was the right size. I took the old one for comparison & measured as I went. O'reilley's, NAPA, Bumper to Bumper and all were the same. Finally found one at an independent parts store that had a supply of new but old stock parts. Of the 3 that he had only one was the correct size. If some DIY guy had been doing this job he would never have caught this error creating a dangerous situation for himself. All the parts that I looked at seemed to have been machined the exact same way, basically made by the same manufacturer but just simply put into a box with a different name on it.

@lew908c

3 жыл бұрын

@@larryhutchens7593 that’s a amazing catch, I’m glad you found a match. Before I made the video, I returned 16 ball joints and 10 bearings. The folks over at advance auto told me they do not recommend MOOG anymore and they didn’t want to carry the parts anymore. I can only imagine the return shipping cost.

@larryhutchens7593

3 жыл бұрын

@@lew908c I became alarmed about Moog tie rod ends, ball joints, idler arms etc when I first noticed that they were no longer machining the tapered part of the mounting stud. They are just as forged, no machining marks what-so-ever. I'm a retired machinist & have the ability to spot bad machining at a glance. It seems as though the parts industry, and car manufacturers, are allowing accountants & stock market gurus do their engineering. It's a sad situation. And don't even get me started on bogus parts from Ebay & Amazon. Ordered a carb kit for an E-brock 4 bbl. (formerly a Carter AFB) off of Ebay & nothing, even the gasket, fit properly. A piece of junk.

@lew908c

3 жыл бұрын

@@larryhutchens7593 I believe it, I have always purchased parts on price and value. I worked 13 years as car knocker or a railcar repairman. Railcar axles use Timken, Hyatt, Brenco bearings. I have honestly made a few purchases on cheap parts on eBay and quickly regretted it. I appreciate the information, hopefully we can help keep people safe.

I know how you must feel I'm not a mechanic I do repair my own vehicle I have 17 Nissan Frontier anyway I'm on my first tie rod end I went to advanced auto the tried selling me the only one they had in stock guess what it had the wrong grease somebody oh and grease was all over the bearing cap on the tie rod end and grease inside the nipple so I went to Nissan and paid 90 clams for one yes one but my my point is you must be losing serious cash on warranty work

moog "was" a pretty good brand; they are relying on a reputation that they have slowly destroyed with inferior overpriced parts. I wouldn't buy any of their products, no matter where they're made; the reviews on most forums, & retail sites echo this.

Don't buy moog the bushings I installed collapsed disintigrated just from tightening the bolts. I then picked it up and it disintigrated in my hands too. I've never seen anything like it. Box says made in India. Scary stuff

I don’t even bother with Moog or aftermarket for ball joints, TREs or bearings. OEM Timken SKF only. Don’t have the time. I hope they go bankrupt.

Fact is you just cant use moog any more. Every auto channel has a video of same issue.

Moog is in North Carolina right

@lew908c

2 жыл бұрын

Moog is a GLOBAL brand With so many places around the world manufacturing Moog's parts, there's not really a way to predict exactly where a specific part will come from. The best, and really only way, to determine where a Moog part was made is to check the label on the box.

Are Motorcraft parts made in China?

Anyone know how TRW products are these days?

@machineman6498

3 жыл бұрын

Bought TRW end links after my own Moog experience. The fit and durability “seems” ok. They did rust up very quickly.

@froggy0162

2 жыл бұрын

TRW are still good.

Replaced my front end last weekend… still replacing because every moog part was fucked up. Both upper ball joints came with the wrong nuts. Tie rod ends had 16 threads while the sleeves were 18… on and on and on. Hunter Biden must be smoking crack on the Chinese assembly line.

@mr.beachwalker7154

2 жыл бұрын

I ordered tie rod, ball joints, idler arm and idler arm bracket and upper control arms from Amazon a couple of weeks ago. By luck of the draw, they all were Made In America and fit fine. I made sure the parts were K or CK which is their top tier line and some were even HD versions of the K/CK line. Amazon actually listed where the items were made.

Moog sucks now. I always use Timken if replacing bearings. Some made in Korea now but so far I've had no problems.

Snap On same Made in China.

Moogs a keyboard 😂

I use motorcraft only .

NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING is made like it used to be. All you can do is find the best crap available.

Looks like moog is a brand im not looking at again

Moogs shit, i replaced a lower ball joint failed right away

I see toys in the back ground that look like they make in China.

Lifetime warranty means nothing when the job costs same as the shitty part .now moog tp bad there is so many shitty stores i only buy oem yeah im gonna pay twice the price.

I won't buy anything from MOOG,thanks for the info,buyer beware!

So what should you be buying instead?

@lew908c

2 жыл бұрын

Duralast gold so far 9 out 10 for the local parts store.

@majorahole

2 жыл бұрын

@@lew908c what is your opinion on the Napa premium (SKF)? They are supposed to be the best around

@lew908c

2 жыл бұрын

@@majorahole I’ll be honest I have not used SKF, I correlate a lot of parts with the railroad and SKF has a fairly good reputation as far as longevity.

@majorahole

2 жыл бұрын

Ordered the MOOG before watching the video. Read on Advance auto's website on the hubs for my car complaint after complaint of ppl complaining about pre-mature failure. Returned that garbage and got the Napa premium which the local Napa said is made by SKF. 2 of the hubs say SKF, 2 of them just say Korea and let's not forget also all 4 wheel hubs were twice the price of the Moogs. Thought maybe Napa was ripping me off. Turns out SKF said "yup we made the two that say Korea on them without a SKF label on it. After further questions turns out SKF is "cross purchasing" wheel hubs from other suppliers and sticking them in their boxes. They say they are the same quality but they are playing bait and switch. I asked one of the ppl at the tech line "so you are so ashamed of your immoral practices your too ashamed to put your name on these cheap Chinese knock-off parts???? They said they are made to their same standards. But all 4 wheel bearing say "made in China. " Anyways thanks for the tip. But I'm left deeply frustrated. Seems like when it comes to replacement auto parts your options are parts made in China, China, China, or China. Is that bad? Time will tell.

@lew908c

2 жыл бұрын

@@majorahole aftermarket auto parts are a multi billion dollar industry with no standards. I hope to crush that, if we buy parts that are junk we need our money back and installation (time lost) reimbursement. They need to know it’s not ok to sell us junk.

I think you can thank The Federal Government for that agreement for all USA Job and MFR companies going overseas 😢

@dougmacqueen1679

3 жыл бұрын

Has nothing to do with the Federal government. It is just the effect of manufacturers chasing the cheap labor wherever that happens to be. Soon you will see products coming out of Africa.

Ur right moog is absolutely junk change tie rod end an 6 months later boot is busted only 6000 on mile on tie end ..only go with OEM parts may cost more but it's worth the money and time

See Eric the Car Guy Moog is "crap!"

I won't use Moog garbage. I got burned too many times with their junk.

Moog sucks. I had 3 of their ball joints fail upon installation.

The box costs more

I would never put a Chinese bearing on my car... the Chinese, don't know how too make bearings..

@majorahole

2 жыл бұрын

So what are you using? All the options I saw said on the box "made in.China"

Just because they write on the box made for north America. This part does not say made in America.

moog suspension parts suck ass. no quality control. this video is justified. i had issues with moog parts. they suck!

Moog is junk , I'm returned balljoints with 3/16 play outta the box , I've had good success with mevotech