Monument Vs Granary in Civ 6 - Which should you build first?

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In this video we try to determine whether building a monument or building a granary first is better in Civilization VI.
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  • @Skillshare-com
    @Skillshare-com4 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff Potato. Our team will send over an email. 👏

  • @youngfreshsandwitch

    @youngfreshsandwitch

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hey! I was the one (or one of the ones) who tweeted his video to your team, amazing to see a company so willing so work with new promising creators, I'll definitely be signing up for skill share

  • @TheSaxyGamer

    @TheSaxyGamer

    4 жыл бұрын

    Impressive, most impressive

  • @mikeschmidt9298

    @mikeschmidt9298

    4 жыл бұрын

    That is sweet! Good work Potato!

  • @Hairybuffalo

    @Hairybuffalo

    4 жыл бұрын

    I am not trying to be a negative nancy butI can't stand the way every informational youtube video articulates their voice this way. It's almost unwatchable since every video since 2016 where random youtube videos were trying to affect the way I vote. Not to mention, It's filled with so much erroneous information because of the way the information is presented, the length of the video should be 1/5th of it's length.

  • @MrDjFitzz

    @MrDjFitzz

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Hairybuffalo I'm sure it wouldn't be so bad if KZread wasn't borderline criminal in the way they "pay" their content creators. Blame KZread.

  • @TheSaxyGamer
    @TheSaxyGamer4 жыл бұрын

    Putting in a non-sponsored sponsor spot may just be the biggest brain play that I've seen in order to get a channel sponsor XD

  • @Shatoswolfdemon

    @Shatoswolfdemon

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like you got inspiration for your vids now eh? hah

  • @Copperhell144

    @Copperhell144

    4 жыл бұрын

    Reminds me of Inside the NBA. "Presented byyyyyy no one" lol

  • @MrAndrewaziz

    @MrAndrewaziz

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Copperhell144 great reference

  • @petertrudelljr

    @petertrudelljr

    4 жыл бұрын

    Worked for the Spiffing Brit. Yorkshire Tea finally sponsored him!

  • @Triumph633

    @Triumph633

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@petertrudelljr only for one video tho

  • @InuyashaHanyu
    @InuyashaHanyu4 жыл бұрын

    I'd go with the rule of thumb: City has a bunch of amazing tiles in its first ring? Granary, so it works them all sooner. City has mediocre tiles in first ring, but good tiles farther out? Monument, so it grabs those tiles faster. Also, resources like silk that give culture give me an incentive to build granary first, while having Banana or Horses or such in the second ring, Monument first seems good to grab those quick. Of course the whole thing may fall apart if you got the money to just buy the tiles or even the granary/monument right away.

  • @kalle1689

    @kalle1689

    3 жыл бұрын

    Monument is especialy better ealry games due that 2 culture is a huge % improvement so you can unlock goverments and policys faster to make produktion more cost effective. I mean policys encourage you to play communist style if you catch my drift. Focus on settlers and military if you have the 50% for it and then switch it out to get the most bang of the production. Anyway in early game you should just consider geting granary if you risk geting over population when there are more production/gold etc avilable you can get with bigger population. In the end there are no golden rule due to every city is unique, sometimes is best to get a worker first. One thing that you should do in most multiplayer games in citys is to start build a wall and switch so opponent think there is a wall comming up soon so it might be good consider to not attack that city unless you have the force to handel the walls or else you waste a loot of time..

  • @Meanlucario

    @Meanlucario

    Жыл бұрын

    I tend to be a money-grubber, so I tend to try to buy things when I can. Will try to keep this rule of thumb in mind, though.

  • @lndyrd

    @lndyrd

    5 ай бұрын

    exactly, they are so close by the numbers that i think the biggest factor is grabbing tiles with culture from the Monument

  • @jakoshin4702
    @jakoshin47024 жыл бұрын

    “With all that being said, I’m going with a settler first” -potato

  • @themarm9679
    @themarm96794 жыл бұрын

    Potato’s openness towards selling out and getting sponsored is enough for me to not mind if he actually gets sponsored and includes ads in his videos

  • @DDoom33

    @DDoom33

    4 жыл бұрын

    I mean skill share is an actual good site, and we all have to pay for bills. I wouldn't mind either! As long as he doesn't take sponsors just to take sponsors. I like when KZreadrs go with sponsors that they actually use and believe in!

  • @adamboyle3331

    @adamboyle3331

    4 жыл бұрын

    I don’t care when youtubers gets sponsors at all. I’m not going to complain about their livelihood over something I can just click past in 2 seconds.

  • @waynerisner4974

    @waynerisner4974

    4 жыл бұрын

    Connotation of selling out is a bad one, no? I mean, couldn't we describe it in a different light that he's innovative and finding ways to continue creating content sustainably? I love his videos-- this one was awesome, too.

  • @justbob333

    @justbob333

    4 жыл бұрын

    thats why sponser skip exists

  • @isurgical9029

    @isurgical9029

    4 жыл бұрын

    As long as he's not getting sponsored by the monument or the granary I don't see the problem..

  • @PotatoMcWhiskey
    @PotatoMcWhiskey4 жыл бұрын

    I made an error at 4:56 when I spoke, but the numbers on screen are correct.

  • @robertposaric6419

    @robertposaric6419

    4 жыл бұрын

    Potato, you could use world builder... you make 2 cities have the same tiles and just compare it? Hopefully a good advice made by me. UwU. I assume you did some reloading for this video or maybe even just basic calculations (didn't finish the video yet).

  • @PotatoMcWhiskey

    @PotatoMcWhiskey

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@robertposaric6419 I wanted real world tests

  • @aaravsharma4498

    @aaravsharma4498

    4 жыл бұрын

    lol

  • @pratikharani3102

    @pratikharani3102

    4 жыл бұрын

    Potato hearting his own comment. Never change dude, never change

  • @FixerFour

    @FixerFour

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@PotatoMcWhiskey You can do real world on two identical cities. you could test "A coastal city with bad production" and then change it to run "A city with a 2/2 tile" or "a city surrounded by 2/2 tiles" or whatever config you want to test. then you can just shift+enter to gather the next turn of data

  • @jokehr3955
    @jokehr39554 жыл бұрын

    I'm color blind and the chart looks very clear to me. Thank you.

  • @jokehr3955

    @jokehr3955

    4 жыл бұрын

    I should specify, my color blindness is red-green (mild).

  • @LilmissJ111

    @LilmissJ111

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much, I am color blind myself. So few people ever address this. So refreshing!

  • @rudyf7903

    @rudyf7903

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ditto

  • @r.b.hyrule249

    @r.b.hyrule249

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes same here!!

  • @blaguard6963
    @blaguard69634 жыл бұрын

    It's impressive to see a youtube video say "this is where my study fell short" instead of "so yeah this pretty much 100% proves why I'm right no need to ask questions" 10/10 for scientific method

  • @DwLMayhem
    @DwLMayhem4 жыл бұрын

    Hey Potato, the mystery amenity at 10:20 came from Mexico City improving their spices and giving them to you.

  • @Frenchstud69
    @Frenchstud694 жыл бұрын

    Graph Color Blind Old Tip...vary lines style from Solid, Dashed, Hyphenated, Dotted Lines etc. (Cheaper to photocopy back in the day b4 internet)

  • @SPCspoon

    @SPCspoon

    4 жыл бұрын

    You see this often in scientific papers, where things are still getting printed into magazines. Moreover, I'd chose the colors thematically. I'd have put the monument graph in purple (cause culture is purple in the game). If comparing two things to each other, try using the "split screen" more often, like you did when showing the overall differences in each yield at the end. This makes it much easier to grab the absolute numbers in comparison while you are speaking. I really enjoyed the introduction tbh, when talking about the theoretical advantages each option has. This with the following number crunching really helps understanding your reasoning. Keep it up.

  • @Eidenhoek

    @Eidenhoek

    3 жыл бұрын

    There was a BEFORE the Internet?

  • @wastelanddan7388

    @wastelanddan7388

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Eidenhoek underrated comment

  • @mooredaxon
    @mooredaxon4 жыл бұрын

    Everyone else: should I build Granary or monument first 🤔 Me: laughs in Roman

  • @iuliuscaesar9808

    @iuliuscaesar9808

    3 жыл бұрын

    You mean Latin

  • @thematrixsheep7452
    @thematrixsheep74524 жыл бұрын

    Wonder how the new secret societies and the old god monument will affect this.

  • @manuelgaertner2258

    @manuelgaertner2258

    4 жыл бұрын

    We will see that soon...

  • @bigfudge2031

    @bigfudge2031

    4 жыл бұрын

    considering that there is no special granary, I think it is pretty obvious which is best.

  • @guillacyrano7855

    @guillacyrano7855

    4 жыл бұрын

    I’m wondering what is going to be the new adjacency to other districts regards to the diplomacy district.

  • @Livingvapour

    @Livingvapour

    4 жыл бұрын

    Rome is gonna be crazy with that lol

  • @russellquinn4285

    @russellquinn4285

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well you could probably just add the same amount of faith as culture to the monument graph. Since it provides either plus 1 or plus 2 faith along with the regular monument bonuses. So in the end you'd get 50 more yields than granary first.

  • @alexotto1532
    @alexotto15324 жыл бұрын

    Great to see you investigate these questions (semi) quantitatively. I would definitely like to see more of these.

  • @alexotto1532

    @alexotto1532

    4 жыл бұрын

    Do let me know if you want any help with some of these analyses (as a lot of my job and expertise is in modelling of optimal decision making and 'real options' and I love playing civ and it is great to see somebody else being interested in the more numberphile and nerdy aspects of the game.)

  • @YannickThibos
    @YannickThibos4 жыл бұрын

    I got an advertisement on 2/3rds in about some yet-another-kitchen-wondertool, taking a Potato and shredding it to hundreds of pieces. KZread Ad placement AI is a psychopath.

  • @tommy33790
    @tommy337904 жыл бұрын

    Yellow and purple work well for the graphs even though I prefer the yellow to be a little bit lighter. Very informative video. Thank you for caring about all of your viewers.

  • @OrlovKruskayev
    @OrlovKruskayev4 жыл бұрын

    Another benefit that I think cannot be ignored is border growth in a city with a monument early. Especially in a situation like that of Ulm in this video, potentially competing for tiles with a neighbouring city.

  • @kylezimmermann8617
    @kylezimmermann86174 жыл бұрын

    You've really honed in on your target audience with your videos recently. Please continue to help focus on the ancient era! What is realistic to accomplish in the first era of the game. I find for example as Sparta that I am conflicted between building a phalanax of hoplites and capitalizing on a high yields district.

  • @ryanduffy6089

    @ryanduffy6089

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'd say that stuff depends more on the situation than anything else. If theres not room to expand and you have an ai with bad relations near you, phalanx is the way to go. However, if you've got a good amount of space and friendly relations with your AI neighbors, its probably best to focus on district and get great yields from international trade routes

  • @theAV8R
    @theAV8R4 жыл бұрын

    8:35 the next level up is to use different line features (thicker/thinner/tight dashes/dots/solid line/ spaced dashes).

  • @johnfist206
    @johnfist2064 жыл бұрын

    Some constructive criticism for editing these: your graphs really tell the whole story, try to show them earlier and you'll find you have a lot less explaining to do while getting your point across sooner and clearer. No offense, but I don't think people are very interested in hearing you speak only numbers from 6:43 all to 8:04 when we already know how the experiment works. Show *and* tell simultaneously, that's the key.

  • @PotatoMcWhiskey

    @PotatoMcWhiskey

    4 жыл бұрын

    Fair call! I'll make some changes next time, this was the first attempt at something this numbers heavy

  • @Nemtom994

    @Nemtom994

    4 жыл бұрын

    Not sure how long have you been watching this channel, but I pretty much come here just hear him talk, no matter how long.

  • @soni5996

    @soni5996

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@PotatoMcWhiskey Also if you're using purple and yellow for the graph.... Maybe monument being purple (cause culture) and granary being yellow was better? :P It's one of those things that's easy to associate mentally. Oh green=growth, blue=science, orange = production, purple = culture. So yellow being kinda between green and orange fits perfect for granary. Either way, another thing you should consider is using trackers for "Growth". As in, I had no way of knowing "When did pop grow compared to the other version". Just a single marker on both the graphs, saying "Pop grew to 2/3/4". In terms of long term city planning, pop growth is much more important, and it allows us to mentally put better markers on it. "Oh so 30 turns in, the granary city has one pop more, so if you have a more growth heavy city than the video, I'll always focus granary first". And so on

  • @adithyavraajkumar5923

    @adithyavraajkumar5923

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@soni5996 I think he said he tried to make it colour-blind friendly...but your idea makes more sense tbh

  • @soni5996

    @soni5996

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@adithyavraajkumar5923 I mean... Yellow/Purple is same as using Purple/Yellow, except Culture being purple makes more sense. I'm sure there are websites/ways to find versions of normal colours that are colour blind friendly. But it's good to keep track of "Oh purple is culture" alongside

  • @seanmurphy5593
    @seanmurphy55934 жыл бұрын

    Hey Potato, I've been a viewer for a long time, and love your videos when I have time to watch them. I also have a type of red-green colorblindness, it doesn't really affect me much in a usual day but being an engineering student it can be a mild bother when looking through slides or at graphs and stuff. Those colors were perfect and I actually really enjoyed that you took the time to call it out when almost no body does. So I just wanted to say thanks, also Irish Pride!!

  • @tinygaucho4572
    @tinygaucho45724 жыл бұрын

    I think there are too many variables to ever have a definitive answer. I tend to go monument first in the early game when the culture you get from it, per turn, has an actual impact, but that impact has a steep decline once you're earning 30-40-50+ culture per turn. At the same time I might settle an early city that has great potential in the long run but might struggle early, in which case the granary is quite useful. Then there are the games I don't bother with either because I've got plenty of food and housing, plenty of culture, and I need units because the AI keeps attacking me. I would definitely enjoy more comparison videos like this, though.

  • @ian59

    @ian59

    4 жыл бұрын

    For the long term benefits of the granary I would argue that you're going to hit population plateau's driven by housing limitations that would allow a monument start to catch up to a granary start in the intermediary ages (in terms of population). Additionally, it can be easy to rush your population from chopping which if done strategically can immediately catch you back up the turn after you build your granary.

  • @martinhriibek3443

    @martinhriibek3443

    4 жыл бұрын

    I would add that monument first, before you have your first government - it has big impact. After that, granary first.

  • @pyramlinum9514
    @pyramlinum95144 жыл бұрын

    A potentially more time-efficient way to experiment more with such scenarios as these is to artificially construct them in the map builder first, and play with minimal AI interference so as to get consistent results (on a duel map, perhaps). That way you don't have to try and spend more time trying to find good spots to test your theories.

  • @Pasakoye

    @Pasakoye

    4 жыл бұрын

    Would be interesting to see the same tests of 2f+1p hills, but with a plains hill city center (2f+2p) start.

  • @solidXxXtuna

    @solidXxXtuna

    4 жыл бұрын

    I agree. A sterile, artificial environment created just for testing would make this job a whole lot easier for ya.

  • @alalalala57

    @alalalala57

    3 жыл бұрын

    The Spirit of the Law Methodology.

  • @2narikai645
    @2narikai6454 жыл бұрын

    Doesn't your day feel better too when potato says, "I love you all very much?" It feels so connected with everyone. We love you too! 😁😁

  • @JohnInSingapore

    @JohnInSingapore

    4 жыл бұрын

    But you didn't get a love emoji from potato

  • @pugpaladin3218

    @pugpaladin3218

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnInSingapore big facts

  • @mrmildman2370

    @mrmildman2370

    4 жыл бұрын

    I prefer it when he says 'it is what it is'

  • @sirsytham1588
    @sirsytham15884 жыл бұрын

    Just saying, I really like this smaller format for videos. It's much easier to watch than hour-long videos.

  • @tankredcaza
    @tankredcaza4 жыл бұрын

    Actual colorblind here, can confirm it was easy to differenciate lines. Loved the skillshare cameo!

  • @guillacyrano7855
    @guillacyrano78554 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, that’s a really good explanation. I’d say the big value in monument is to get to your first government quicker as it unlocks a lot more policies and makes the first big progress in your game overall. 👍

  • @benjaminthompson8359
    @benjaminthompson83594 жыл бұрын

    The graphs make your lessons much easier to follow. Please keep up this type of work. This is the reason why you are my go to Civ 6 channel.

  • @tuxkoy166
    @tuxkoy1664 жыл бұрын

    2:23 the legend has spawned, this game of civ is already over

  • @InnocentKhajiit

    @InnocentKhajiit

    4 жыл бұрын

    Eu4 reference?

  • @tuxkoy166

    @tuxkoy166

    4 жыл бұрын

    yep

  • @voxvolhynia5400

    @voxvolhynia5400

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm always glad to see an Eu4 reference around these parts.

  • @deancamp5408
    @deancamp54084 жыл бұрын

    Variations of policy card turns should make monument winner in most cases.

  • @edgeofsky6684
    @edgeofsky66844 жыл бұрын

    From the title I thought an monument and an granary were going to fight. Shame.

  • @scotty3281
    @scotty32814 жыл бұрын

    I like this in-depth analysis. I have no clue which scenarios to run next but keep these coming.

  • @yakeeen_9446
    @yakeeen_94464 жыл бұрын

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO! THOUGH I WATCHES YOUR STREAMS AND YOU SHARE YOUR INSIGHTS THERE. STILL I THANK U FOR THIS!! MORE POWER

  • @christianeroh6687
    @christianeroh66874 жыл бұрын

    I’ve always been hesitant to go for monuments until I started watching you

  • @timb9828
    @timb98284 жыл бұрын

    I would love to see more analyses like this one! Even with the limited variables, it was extremely informative. Maybe one comparing religious beliefs?

  • @cmarkn

    @cmarkn

    4 жыл бұрын

    Tim B that’s a tough one. There are too many possibilities to even count them.

  • @mrmildman2370

    @mrmildman2370

    4 жыл бұрын

    If it took 8 hours to do that one then I wouldn't get your hopes up! Let's analyses 46 possibilities multiplied by infinite!

  • @tonyrosetti2738
    @tonyrosetti27384 жыл бұрын

    You might test how many turns earlier you can get a tier 1 government and add those benefits to your monument-first data. It sounds to me like this data supports - fresh water = monument first - coastal = monument first (before t1 government), else Granary first. - Granary first (after t1 government)

  • @UofU10
    @UofU104 жыл бұрын

    Oh. My. God. As a statistics and spreadsheet guy I absolutely love this style of video! Thank you for the effort and consideration you put into the investigation. I’m getting strong Jon Bois vibes and would 100% recommend his channel as a reference if you look to improve the style and delivery of this number heavy content.

  • @jonathanlohaller758
    @jonathanlohaller7584 жыл бұрын

    didn't even know granary first was a thing, the only time I would consider granary first is my later settles on the coast. The cost of things is so high that the only thing possible to build is granary or monument in the mid-game. In the early game, there are so many more important things to focus on in order to snowball that these two minor buildings really should not be prioritised. I do build monuments from time to time if I can get away with it and I think this test supports that idea. Good job!

  • @Shad0wspwn
    @Shad0wspwn4 жыл бұрын

    Hey Potato, big fan and great video! A couple notes: I would try to coordinate the colors a little more. The purple being associated with granary first was a bit confusing since we generally attribute purple to culture and that makes a little more sense for monument first I know you talked about how time consuming the video-making process is for these kinda of videos. Would you consider livestreaming your test runs? I try to watch your livestreams whenever I can and would definitely tune into one like this (even if it's in the background during work) I'd love to see an "ideal" coastal settle. I think a coastal settle next to bananas, for example, would change the outcome drastically Thanks for the huge amount of time and effort you put into your content! I've been using your videos to bring my friends up to speed with civ since they are just starting out due to the quarantine. Not only are you allowing us to enjoy civ more, but you make it so much easier to share our love for this game with friends and family :)

  • @RawvTalent
    @RawvTalent4 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely incredible video topic, i would love to see tons more of these. Great work man!

  • @nullbrain8552
    @nullbrain85523 жыл бұрын

    This is awesome and I would love to see more in depth analysis videos like this.

  • @AneleyTasada
    @AneleyTasada4 жыл бұрын

    Love this kind of videos, you are now doing research on Civ VI, lol. I can see how much work this takes, but know that it is much appreciated!!

  • @vincentflori5400
    @vincentflori54004 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the effort in this it really shows! Love to see more content like this super useful for in game use. Good luck w getting the sponsorship man you deserve it.

  • @SusaVile
    @SusaVile4 жыл бұрын

    I believe you did answer the question. You made a viable test, analized it properly, and could not reach a definitive answer. Which then turns into a "it varies on your early goal", and varies from city to city, civilization and other conditions. Knowing that the reply is not simple is knowledge as well.

  • @Jam-ps3tg
    @Jam-ps3tg4 жыл бұрын

    I usually go granary first to build up the city; monuments get you more culture and increase the cities tiles. It's really hard to decide which is best without studying the terrain & circumstances of the civilization you are playing.

  • @danielwestrick6647
    @danielwestrick66474 жыл бұрын

    Great content please keep providing detailed analysis like this!

  • @guillacyrano7855
    @guillacyrano78554 жыл бұрын

    It’s funny that just as Rome cities starts with a monument, there’s no civilisation with cities starting with a granary. I would have chosen Egypt for that ability for instance.

  • @petertrudelljr

    @petertrudelljr

    4 жыл бұрын

    Nah. They have to build the pyramids to get their granaries. Or so I've heard...

  • @iannay3056
    @iannay30564 жыл бұрын

    Love the hardcore dedication for best results! Would love to see more videos like this!

  • @eriksaras
    @eriksaras4 жыл бұрын

    This video is fantastic. I know it took a LOT of work, but if you're able to make more of these I think they're super helpful and unique among content out there. Thank you for making this!

  • @hc6157
    @hc61574 жыл бұрын

    I don’t envy your task when it comes to data-collection and testing. I literally do physics research over the summer, but when it comes to civ strategy I’m like “oh christ that’s too much” Also: I’d love to see an appeal breakdown: base appeal for each terrain type and appeal modifiers from nearby improvements.

  • @BR-ec2ph
    @BR-ec2ph4 жыл бұрын

    I love these videos! Thank you for your hard work, genuinely.

  • @thehighandmightyasur7873
    @thehighandmightyasur78734 жыл бұрын

    Very well done video mate, it was clear and easy to follow. Keep up the good work Potato!

  • @BranMacMorn1
    @BranMacMorn14 жыл бұрын

    Love the format of the analysis. Thanks potato! Look forward to more such analyses in the future. It may be too complex- but using analysis to review things like city build locations (and how quickly to spread cities versus building tall in start game) would be cool.

  • @nightbladexxx
    @nightbladexxx4 жыл бұрын

    Personally, I break it down by city. Usually, a builder first, then decide whether or not I need a monument for culture. Typically, I favor the monument over a granary as I settle most of the time in rivers, but if the city needs a granary first I'll go that route. Usually, in my games a district is going up before a granary. Is like to see a video on how to spend your gold. Keep up the great work Potato

  • @GabrielSoares-ju9yq

    @GabrielSoares-ju9yq

    4 жыл бұрын

    I used to do that too but builders in new cities (early game) are usually not a good choice. That because even if you have great tiles to improve, your city growth will be too slow in order to work them anyway (unless you have +4 food +some production on a tile). Also in the very beggining of the game you wont have the necessary techs to improve them anyway.

  • @quinnbc7359

    @quinnbc7359

    4 жыл бұрын

    I generally avoid builders entirely for a good chunk of the start game, simply because the barbarians are too aggressive and end up pillaging my tiles. Then I'm just wasting my time making another builder later to repair the tiles.

  • @emylily8266

    @emylily8266

    4 жыл бұрын

    I prefer to purchase builders, or transport them from my capital when the city needs help getting up to speed, since I only improve resources or capital tiles early on

  • @nightbladexxx

    @nightbladexxx

    4 жыл бұрын

    Let me rephrase, builders aren't the first thing I build in the city but I usually pop one out before I choose a monument or granary.

  • @DForSpiD
    @DForSpiD4 жыл бұрын

    A hotseat game with a custom map may be the best way to eliminate other variables in testing. You can set up a game with the same nation multiple times and the exact same map conditions for each player and test multiple variables at the same time this way too. Plus if you standardize these things you may be able to get others to help you collect data if you're interested in that sort of thing with the community

  • @TheWizel

    @TheWizel

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'd go with 5 islands. 1 Island for the capital, 1 for the opponent, and then 3 near-identical islands with simply the water source varying (Add river, add ocean coast tile, no water)

  • @nochitright
    @nochitright4 жыл бұрын

    "..stuff now is worth more than stuff later". Don't tell that to compound interest. I appreciate your videos.

  • @michaelsarkis6239
    @michaelsarkis62394 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for making the graphs accessible. Since you mentioned it - a handy tip that works for all colour blindness is changing the line styles, making them solid, dotted or dashed, etc. for different curves. Cool video though!

  • @aaronguennigsman360
    @aaronguennigsman3604 жыл бұрын

    May I suggest delegating some of the work to the community? If you share the save with trusted Spuddies, draw up a clear format for how each trial should be run, and define how data is to be recorded, you could potentially complete dozens of more trials than you would otherwise have been able to do on your own. All that would be left for you to do, Potato, is compile the data and wrap it all up in a nice video.

  • @ParkerMan0
    @ParkerMan04 жыл бұрын

    Hey potato, for addressing all types of colour blindness you should rely on non-colour-based indicators, such as changing the style of the lines (dashed lines, or lines graphs made our of shapes). Adding this to the already created colour palette will make sure that everybody understands the graphs!

  • @Gorgoj
    @Gorgoj4 жыл бұрын

    You are trying to awnser a question that's too complicated, but the info that you gave us is really important. Great video.

  • @RockinOn217
    @RockinOn2174 жыл бұрын

    Potato, thanks for the effort you put into this video. I love this kind of content. This kind of thinking is why I keep coming back to Civ VI.

  • @guiolivier1234
    @guiolivier12344 жыл бұрын

    This kind of video is realy interesting! Nice work!

  • @grahamturner2640
    @grahamturner26404 жыл бұрын

    With Australia, coastal cities get the same amount of housing as a standard city that is next to fresh water.

  • @ScottStratton
    @ScottStratton4 жыл бұрын

    Love these kinds of “deep dive” videos! Thank you for doing this - it was very well done: entertaining but intellectual - and that is Civ in a nutshell anyway!

  • @brendenh1667
    @brendenh16673 жыл бұрын

    This video makes me happy. Potato realizing the scale of the game on camera. Priceless! 😂

  • @Bryan-rl2ik
    @Bryan-rl2ik4 жыл бұрын

    Really good video. Appreciate the effort that went into it

  • @wilbermusicman
    @wilbermusicman4 жыл бұрын

    Great content as always Potato. Your videos are super helpful to my games and I’d love to see more videos like Overexplained and this focused sort of style here. Thanks!

  • @alinbulgarea
    @alinbulgarea4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for all your passion that you input into your Civ 6 videos, all the data just makes my & our games much much better! Cheers and all the best !

  • @youngfreshsandwitch
    @youngfreshsandwitch4 жыл бұрын

    Huge supporter of your videos, the quality has been off the charts recently. I happily tweeted your video at skill share to let them know they need to contact you asap, hope you continue to grow man your content is incredible

  • @jayayywhy4374
    @jayayywhy43744 жыл бұрын

    I came into this vid with the opinion of granaries being king (aside from water wheels) but now I can see how monument first could snowball border growth into getting better tiles to improve your city even when not worked (+0.5 housing from farms, amenities from luxuries, etc) or just buy both with gold LUL

  • @ahmedlateef8669

    @ahmedlateef8669

    4 жыл бұрын

    Mansa Musa has entered the chat.

  • @JS-kr8fs

    @JS-kr8fs

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why not both?

  • @thebigginz4408
    @thebigginz44084 жыл бұрын

    Love the vids! Keep up the awesome work my starchy brother! Small tip: In your initial graph at 8:22, you have monument 1st as purple and granary as yellow-brown, but in the series on 8:28 you swap the colors, which is doubly confusing because the colors swapped meaning , and because you'd think monument as purple cuz culture and granary as yellow-brown cuz food

  • @hughjames3647
    @hughjames36474 жыл бұрын

    The watermill: imma about to end yous whole careeri

  • @CaptainScuwr
    @CaptainScuwr4 жыл бұрын

    Love the data driven work!

  • @GoBlueHTB
    @GoBlueHTB3 жыл бұрын

    This video was exceptional. It was a monumental contribution to the Civ player base. It was well-researched, well-written, well-presented, and well-prepared. You even used the scientific method and deemed your own work as insufficient to be considered a rigorous empirical study. When you completed this tedious task after hours of watching digits, rather than finally put it behind you and give us a quick rundown, “so basically long run go granary but for culture win or early success go monument,” you declared that MUCH more testing needed to be done. As someone who is new to the 4X genre, I have never seen such dedication to min-maxing in my life. Thank you so much for all of the hard work you put into this quality content. I feel privileged to consume it for free.

  • @casakara4777
    @casakara47774 жыл бұрын

    Heeeyyyyyy potato, fantastic video, loved the meme in the middle too! I laughed a few times. Great work as always! Keep it up pal! (That's what she said)

  • @ncteeter
    @ncteeter3 жыл бұрын

    I'm a severe protanope and appreciate your colorblind friendly graphs.

  • @petertrudelljr
    @petertrudelljr4 жыл бұрын

    Great learning video! It's good to get some empirical evidence to show these things. I've always appreciated how you've tried to explain things during your run-throughs and doing something like this along with your last "learning to play" video series... simply amazing stuff. Oh, and as a strong protanope (red/green color deficiency), the two colors you used were distinct enough for me to tell them apart. Another good tip is to avoid pastels/light colors.

  • @richard2616
    @richard26164 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for these videos Mr. McWhiskey! I'm working my way towards being able to finish the game on Deity and understanding nuance like this is crucial to that goal! I'm on the cusp of winning my first game on Immortal as Congo thanks to your videos. Looks like it will be either a science or culture win.

  • @Topatatas
    @Topatatas4 жыл бұрын

    This reminded me of a poster presentation at a research conference. Great work! I hope we get to see more data! 💓💓😛

  • @shakerbubble5794
    @shakerbubble57944 жыл бұрын

    Another factor not accounted for is border growth. In the City of Ulm it was right next to a city stat, and while city state borders only grow when they receive an envoy you never know when the ai will send an envoy and take away a potential tile.

  • @themyrickcorp9909
    @themyrickcorp99094 жыл бұрын

    i love these types of videos...keep this stuff going!

  • @jzwolak
    @jzwolak3 жыл бұрын

    Wow! Thanks for the work testing this! I love this kind of stuff. I joined just because of this video. Well... and because I've watched and liked many of your videos, but this pushed me over the top. :-)

  • @davidsuda6110
    @davidsuda61104 жыл бұрын

    you brought data to the argument and that helps me decide, also the difference seems slight. so that is good, and yes added up over 30 cities over 500 turns and slight ripples do become a wave.

  • @jamesstuart4984
    @jamesstuart49844 жыл бұрын

    I'm amazed you don't have millions of subs. You're my go-to channel for civ content

  • @delmerwilson7890
    @delmerwilson78903 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for yellow/purple lines. Helps a lot, and it's also my favorite color combination

  • @gus_abreu
    @gus_abreu4 жыл бұрын

    Hey man, terrific content. I would definitely like to see more dilemas like this.

  • @Gymnopedie55
    @Gymnopedie554 жыл бұрын

    Once the Monument to the Old Gods is in the game I will be putting those up ASAP to help summon a Cthulu or two to my side. Which makes this video irrelevant ;) Great vid and good at-a-glance analysis!

  • @jeremyreal3610
    @jeremyreal36104 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Would love to see more analyses like this.

  • @Tandoliga
    @Tandoliga4 жыл бұрын

    I live in Ulm. Did not notice until now that there was a beach nearby, happy to check it out tomorrow!

  • @Marksmaan
    @Marksmaan4 жыл бұрын

    Potato, I'm severely colorblind and struggle with games and work as a result. It means so much to me that you took the time to make it easier on people like me I got up out of my chair to grab my phone to leave this comment and that says a lot lmao. I was watching on PS4 btw and dont think theres a way to leave a comment there. Thanks bro. Love your vids. Keep up the great work.

  • @SeanPONEIL
    @SeanPONEIL4 жыл бұрын

    Your choice of colors was spot on. I'm red/green color blind. And you got me to try gainerys before monuments. Ty for all your hard work to help me enjoy this wonderful game even more.

  • @herosunknown0
    @herosunknown04 жыл бұрын

    Keep up the good work potato

  • @Thrash230723
    @Thrash2307234 жыл бұрын

    Too long a video? I enjoyed every second of that breakdown!

  • @MrGrimHD1123
    @MrGrimHD11233 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for considering my disabled eyes, huge shoutout to PotatoMcWhiskey

  • @Heeroyui752
    @Heeroyui7524 жыл бұрын

    I was so curious about this, thanks for the video, now I have an answer!

  • @TheLuc224
    @TheLuc2243 жыл бұрын

    I really like this channel. Good job man. You really helping a civ 6 noob here

  • @JBRacing613
    @JBRacing6134 жыл бұрын

    I am a big fan of yours and appreciate your creativity in trying to generate revenue. I support your efforts 100%

  • @Envoxit
    @Envoxit Жыл бұрын

    super cool video idea, theres so many variable you have to look out for as far as what your civilization values more, growth, culture, maybe you settled near a wonder which gives culture yields, in which case an extra 1 culture may be a bit less valuable in favor of getting more pop to work that tile, maybe you settled a city with poor inner ring yields, but excellent outer ring(strategic resources, luxuries, etc) in that case, quicker city growth will actually be more beneficial than slightly quicker pop growth. but in general this does give us a good idea of what each building will give as a baseline compared to the other.

  • @blehblehson1194
    @blehblehson11944 жыл бұрын

    this was really well made potato thanks.

  • @lordofhunger5175
    @lordofhunger51754 жыл бұрын

    I love these types of videos, keep up the good work

  • @zundra616
    @zundra6164 жыл бұрын

    Yo I'm loving these educational videos, and I know a lot of my friends are. Keep up the good work Potato I can't wait!

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