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Thank you for taking the time to compare these so thoroughly.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Gladly

Glad to see this channel growing! Can't wait to see you haul in and unbox that S7201...

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The S7201 is the only sub Tom didn’t want to send due to shipping cost and the fact that there isn’t much of a market for them so very little ROI to send me one

@dickfantastic7908

4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman Yeah, you should probably just buy it 😂 It would definitely make for a cool video but I don't know if that's worth 4g's.

Been saving money for nearly 2 years for dual svs 3000 PB. I am finally going to be able to pick them up and add them to the theater. Thus will be a huge upgrade for me. Taking i been running mtx old school subs. I love your videos.

Thanks for the vid bro bro. I purchased the monolith before there was a single vid out about them. My audio buddy talked me into it I was and still am blown away by these! I purchased a second one within 30 days after the first lol amazing as duels. You won’t be disappointed guys especially at that price point. Good luck all

Great comparison. Have been considering an SVS sub for a while, but good to learn about some of its competitors, and the lower price seems easier to work with too.

Great comparison video Youthman! Both of those subs are awesome. Thanks for using those graphs again. I think I take away more from the videos with graphs. Thanks for all the effort!

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Maybe it’s best from now on to do both in same video.

@hi-fihaven2257

4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman I meant to give you a BIG thanks for listing me on your videos when you are scrolling the Patrons. That's just pain awesome!

Congratulations on the excellent comparison, I enjoyed it very much. They are two excellent subwoofers.Despite the results, it's a hard choice, youthman, at least for me.

Great comparison, I have to agree with you on being happy with what you hear. Will there be better sounding subs ? Of course there will be. But if it feels and sounds great, I would use the bucks to upgrade in other equipment. But that’s just me.

I saw you as a guest on audioholics thought I'd watch some of your videos really like this. Nothing better than watching a sub to work!

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Actually Gene was a guest on my channel 👍

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

I did a home theater of the month - kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y6KZyKiEZMu2ZtI.html

Thanks for the video just started it. Also thank you for not having any cringe “jump” or “intro” terrible sound clip like some others.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Well I’m sure some people cringe with my “Hit that subscribe button” in my videos. 😂😂😂

Great shot out Youthman! You said a great point. It doesn't matter what others think. In the end it's our own individual taste! Keep up the great work! Berlin signing off!!!

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Good review since these are two subs I’ve been considering and have been curious about their sound. Any thoughts on reviewing Rythmic subs, like a G25HP, FV15HP or the F18? Thanks

@Youthman when it comes to huge brawny crazy subwoofers, you´re the man! Unfortunately Monolith subs can not be had overseas (Norway)

HI Youthman! First time I write to you. Recently subscribed, from Mexico. I love your comparisons and style, you look like a really nice guy, and I envy you a little bit because your really nice setup. Currently I have a monolith 10" subwoofer and a speeewoofer 10. I hope someday I will upgrade to dual 12 or 13 inch subs. Kepp the great job!

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly.

If I would be looking for upgrading subs and have $2500 budget, I will go dual Monolith instead of the 1 SVS. It would be a smarter option with dual.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely a great option

@imarcoi123

4 жыл бұрын

Yes . That's my thought.

@redstang5150

4 жыл бұрын

If you want smoother output throughout the room then yes, dual subs is the better option. If you're main concern is your primary listening position, spending more on a single sub with higher output and then locating it in the best spot for that position is also an option. In general a second sub will give you +3db. The SVS in his graphs, however, gave him +5db more output at the peaks, so in theory you actually would still get +2db more from the single SVS as opposed to the dual Monos. Now, are you going to notice that? Hard to say. Would be interesting if Youthman tested that theory.

@arongatt

4 жыл бұрын

redstang5150 I have dual klipsch R110SW which they performed great in the room i had before which was a 12x14f with a 14f ceiling but now I have a 16x21f and 10f ceiling and they are not really enough anymore. So I need to upgrade soon after I finish my Atmos/DTS X setup, I will seek to try SVS from a local dealer which he is going to let me try at home ( great SVS service worldwide) then Il see if it’s worth investing in SVS or get a dual sub system. Maybe Il go pb2000 x2. Luckily they said ok for me to try a single PB4000 and dual PB2000

@redstang5150

4 жыл бұрын

@@arongatt That'll be a very interesting demo (one I'd like to do myself). That's a decent sized room so I imagine if you go with a single sub you'll have a couple dead spots, but again you'll probably be able to place that pb4000 in a spot that will hit your primary listening seat harder than the dual 2000s, but it could be close. Myself, I got dual HSU VTF-2s instead of the pb2000s (comparable, but cheaper, more configurable, a little smaller and a little less power). They shake the hell out of my smaller 15x15x9 room (and much of my house for that matter) but ever since I got those I have constantly wondered what kind of performance I would have had if I spent the same money but on a larger single sub. For your room and budget though I'd be tempted to give a pair of pb3000s a try.

Hey! How did you have only the subwoofer output sound? Unplugged the other speakers?

Def a fair comparative review considering how you highlighted the price difference between the two.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steven.

Flex some of those subs on the song Lost by Phelian, the bass comes in and swells then drops in frequency and swells and drops again and swells then reverses Very satisfying and house shaking!

great video! both of those subs track extremely well in your room. the svs sub looks to be benefitting from a subsonic filter (a high pass filter) at ~18Hz. the monolith sub could greatly benefit from a subsonic filter also to keep its excursion in check when it starts playing below its port tuning frequency. ultimately, i think the svs will still play 1-2 dB louder than the monolith, but if the monolith had a subsonic filter applied it may have played the +3 dB sweep without signs of compression. dang good performance for over a grand less!

@gregworrel2623

3 жыл бұрын

I was looking to see if anyone else pointed this out. Clearly the SVS has a high pass filter applied. I wonder if the Monolith has that option built into the amp. The Monolith was only compressing at about 15Hz. If it had a similar high pass filter as the SVS, it almost certainly would have squeezed out a few more dB.

Does it help with the out put when you have two subs instead of one? Would the numbers be different on this video if you tested two instead of one?

Great review!, I have Denon 4400 looking to upgrade sub which 1 would you recommend monolith 12THX or SVS PB 2000 ?

Thanks Youthman I really enjoyed this comparison. Very informative. I am currently looking to upgrade both of my subs. For the price and performance I am going with 2 Monolith subs. Thanks again.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Glad the videos were helpful

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

patrick that makes no sense lol

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

patrick of course there are better subs out there. Why would I mention other subs when this video is directly comparing two subs that I have in my theater room at the same time. Plus I’m not going to recommend something I have not personally heard.

In configuration, can any of these subs be connected to a hifi sound system Sony gpx888?

Thank you!!!!!! Couldn't wait for this comparison!

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Gladly Nick

I would really like to see your reaction to some of the popular DIY sub setups. Like the Dayton 18s in a full marty. Or alternatively seeing your reaction to some of the JTR subs. They are really in another class.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

My friend has (4) FI 18’s in an Infinite Baffle that are unlike anything I have ever heard. Here is his setup - kzread.info/dash/bejne/f2SErq-eiMSplJM.html

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

FOMO on tech keep in mind the JTR that was sent to me was their smallest sub

Youthman I played the shootout again with the SVS PB16 Ultra and the PSA s3611. Although in my room the PB16 rattled the walls more it's hard to forget the deep extended bass of s3611. I was actually playing it the first time in the living room with a Samsung soundbar and its wireless sub. I can see why I liked it better. The soundbar does not go low so the best qualities of the SVS PB-16 was more impressive. When I replayed it in my home theater room that is very similar in size to yours I see what all you guys are saying. I went ahead and bought the PSA s3611.The PSA sub wIll fit better in my regular theater room because the PB-16 requires more depth which I do not have. The PSA requires more width which I do have. As many have already reported you do a really good job without any biased that's really fresh. My background has always been High-End audio Pass Labs, Acoustats, Infinity, Spatial Audio, stacked Advents and others. I finally decided to go home theater to see if it would have any kind of chance aganist a true high quality 2 channel system. I run my church sound system and what I can tell you is most high end systems have far more details than what you hear in a live environment and until you get into the $60.000 systems the dynamic range of even one trombone cannot be produced with actual realism. My nephew plays trombone and he walked into the room one day and hit one note and that's when I realized what I was missing. Weight,full body and effortless. I still like the two channel systems but I'm having far more fun with my Dolby Atmos system 7.1.6. Your review on the Dolby Atmos Klipsch speakers was very accurate but I might add if you put the drivers very slightly above your ears you can sit right next to those speakers and not hear their location at all provided you have proper flat ceiling and height requirements. You guys not interested in not putting holes in your ceiling should read the Dolby Laboratories white paper on the Dolby enhance reflective speakers. Dolby feels that in certain situations they create a better canopy than putting speakers in the ceilings because if the ceilings aren't high enough the localization becomes more obvious. This is what I found in my particular room. The other thing I wanted to say is the dynamic range of my home theater system is significantly greater than what I ever had in a 2-channel system even when using excellent twin powered 10" subs. I feel there's also more enjoyment because more people can be involved in a home theater system (3 to 5 people get a sweet sitting spot vs one or two) and it does not favor a particular type of music or presentation. Youthman you make it fun too. You also have a great enthusiasm. I was trying to learn how to perform Roon Calibration and others on KZread tried to make it sound like brain surgery. You provided clear explanation for exactly how to test subs / compression test. I really enjoy the shrapnel hitting me from the boat explosion more so than hearing the height reflection differences between a 50' and 52' cathedral ceiling. I also took notice of that little smile you had on your face when you said will I be upgrading my subwoofers and you said well not right now but definitely. My wife watches the Channel with me she said all you guys are alike. I just want to know when it ends. I told her honey it doesn't end it just keeps getting better. Youthman again I just want to thank you for your efforts.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly. I am perfectly content with my system but if the opportunity comes for me to upgrade to dual or quad 18’s, I might just take the plunge 😂

I have a paradigm PW-2200... compared to these subs is it time to upgrade?

First off thank you for this wonderful comparison between the 2 excellent subs. I have always loved the fit and finish of the svs with the app it's a hands down winner in my book but for the money and great price of $1300 dollars you just cant go wrong if you are in the market and have that budget for the monolith 15. They both sounded great, so thank you again for the comparison and you and the family be blessed. Take care friend.😊

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Eros

@dayonerecoverdub3626

4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman what gain level did you have to run on the monolith to get good sound level out of it I got mine in today and after running audessy I have to have the gain maxed out and -6 on the receiver it makes no sense non of the svs I've had needed to be run that hot or my current hsu-vtf 15h mk2 am I missing something with monolith subwoofers

Monolith at lower frequency showing noise where PB16 not. Can you correct it? Like PB 16.

Youth man love your videos! I currently have 2 r112sw’s what would you recommend to replace them with the same or more output? One 15 monolith or pb16ultra or would a single pb4000 give me more output?

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly. This video might be of help Or I compared the 15 inch monolith to the PB 16 - kzread.info/dash/bejne/poOfxa2eY6e7dJM.html I have not heard the PB4000

Hey buddy i just order 2nd monolith 15 so what you suggest with your opinion 1 pb16 or 2 monoliths are better??? What yyou think??? Please unswer me😊

Yo youthman! I want to start out by saying I really enjoy your videos, they are always fun, entertaining and informative. I have a quick question about REW. I just replaced my SVS PB12-NSD with the new SVS PB2000-PRO which as you probably know has the APP like the 3000 and up. I now have the ability to make adjustments to correct for my room. My question is this I have a laptop that only has one USB port and 2 USB-3 ports. Can I use a USBc to HDMI adapter to send the audio sweeps to my AVR? I would assume I could but want to run it by you before I by the mic and adapter. Thanks for the help and keep up the good work

@mohammedisaa9952

Жыл бұрын

I know that you can output film sounds with correct driver selected, so i guess music can also be selected with foobar, so i guess you could play the live output if you select the same deiver..... you dont need a mic to tey it..... just run a test and select the laptops mic as monitor 🙂..... Let us know please 🙏 🙂

Youthman, what did you set the gain settings on Monolith 15"? +15db? You said you used a SPL meter to have the sub read 75 db with receiver set at 0db using the receiver's test tone?

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

I do not recall what the gain was set at on the Monolith to get it to read 75dB on the meter when the volume on the AVR was set at Reference (0dB)

Thank you thank you thank you!!!! No where have I read yet where to set volume of receiver when doing compression testing? Is there a setting it should be at according to the meters in the sweet or anything to really know what headroom you have and such?

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

I just start at a safe volume and work my way up. Not sure there is a set volume for compression

@rcdude86

4 жыл бұрын

Never I see. Hitting compression when it doesn't do a higher db! I follow!!! Thanks.

Do you have a discount code for a monolith v2 15?

In ‘00, I purchased two Velodyne FSR-15s. They complement my SRS-SDA 1.2tls. The Polk’s and Velodyne is still perform beautifully; however, my ol’ lady hates the “big, ugly box.” Next week, SVS is shipping me two PC-4000s. She said, “the cylinder looks like a work of art.” Win-win for both of us. God bless

Do you have a video SVS 16 ultra plus vs JTR subs?

I would love to see a test between SVS and Paradigm. I have two paradigm x12's in back and 1 Klipsch 150sw" in front... Omg, the bass is insane in my theater room.

Another great video Mike! It would be cool if you could make a graph that shows where all the subs you've tested stand against each other.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

The problem with that is the microphone is not in the exact location each time so I only like to show comparisons that are done at the same time. It’s a great idea if you have a controlled room where your microphone remains there at all times. I just don’t have that since my room is functional and I actually like to watch movies in the location where the microphone is placed LOL

@rmasushige

4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman LOL! I totally get it. Thanks for always posting great content!

With the monolith was that version 1 or 2 a did you hear any port chuffing when the low notes played?

@el222

4 ай бұрын

Looks like version 1

Thank you for doing this review!

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it

Hey Youthman, I'm hoping you can answer this perhaps! I have just purchased a PB16 Ultra and I have noticed a potential different port design internally from the open cross section photos on the internet.. All of the photos on the internet show the ports going horizontally underneath the driver, and they then sweep up and go vertically, with flared openings which sit upright in-between the driver magnet and the sledge amplifier. I was looking into each of my ports earlier on today and shining a flashlight inside them, expecting to see nothing other than the upswept bend. But to my potential horror I see that all three of my port tubes end horizontally!! I can see the rear MDF internal box section and some of the white sound dampening material! I was wondering, if you still have yours whether you could also peek into your port holes to see how yours are assembled?! OR anyone else here, who own either a PB16 Ultra or a PB4000. I have been in contact with SVS directly on the matter, and have sent in my photo's! Thanks Mike :)

Just like I was expecting! Great showdown! I hope that one day you could test PSA S7201.... 110dB at 18Hz! Unleash the beast🔥🎵

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

That was the only sub Tom didn’t want to send due to shipping cost and very small customer base.

Great Job Youthman! I think you accurately described both subs very well. I have never heard either of them before but by going by specs, price, features and your REW results its easy to see where the cards fell. The Ultra 16 is the better subwoofer but at almost twice the price it should be. The Monolith, with all the the testing you have done with it, seems to be the absolute better bang for the buck performance wise. Loose comparison would be an Audi to a Camaro. The Camaro with give you that performance on a budget, but the Audi will give you the performance plus all the refinement with the price tag

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Well said. I like your analogy Edwin

@JacesOwnWorld

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, the comparison should be BMW vs Camaro. Audi's are soft lol

Hey Youthman, wondering if the mono 15 has the same type of "deep" bass sound signature that the svs ported subs have? Looking for that deep depth type of sound that my pb1000 has. My hsu vtf3 plays deeper, but just doesnt have as "deep" of a sound if you know what I mean.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Deep to me means the ability to play sub 20Hz which the Monolith easily does. It plays down to 10Hz. The PB1000 can't touch that.

@luckymckay

4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman thanks for the reply. Disregard my Facebook message!

Rumor has it that youthman had to have a structural engineer come and inspect the building after that test.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Actually it was after this demo - kzread.info/dash/bejne/ka6LmLtrk9reYJs.html

Either choice, you have a great sub. These are the good old days of audio!

But didn't the svs go +5 higher with the output? Isn't that the difference or I'm missing something

Just out of curiosity, have you had any issues with the amps on the Pb16 Ultras?

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Zero issues since I purchased mine. I have heard of some having issues but I shave heard that with Klipsch, Monoprice and others as well. You tend to hear the negative more than you do the positive so it’s hard to tell how big of an issue it is

Thanks for the awesome videos! In your opinion, if you had to choose between 2 Monolith 15 vs 2 SVS PB 16 Ultras based on home theater performance for movies, which would you go with? I’m interested in both but what I really care about is that nice deep bass that you can hear and feel and was wondering if one produced that better than the other or were they equal in terms of performance. Thanks again!!!

@marthepedersen1454

Жыл бұрын

so what did you go with?

Would love to see the test repeated, this time limiting the test signal to 20 Hz and above, or 30 Hz as above, as both systems may be using some sort of electronic filtering to control excursion at very low frequencies at higher signal levels. Also, what REW distortion graphs at levels where you notice compression in the passband may be of interest.

Like usual an other great video,thanks. You put my thoughts to psa in earlier vids,when you campare s3611 to pb16 ultra. Most just say mein dual psa tv36ipal probebly comes Home to me this week,well i thinking its probebly the first ones entering Sweden,pretty cool:)

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks and congrats on the new sub!

What's up Youthman? Great video! Just wanna give you a heads up I don't know if you seen godzilla yet but damm the bass in that movie was insane even with my little pb1000 subs. My room was shaking. Also the atmos track was really good. So if you haven't checked it out you would be very happy with the audio. I know you live in Florida so your family and you please stay safe!

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the heads up. Yes others have mentioned the same.

@lawrence09151

4 жыл бұрын

Which Godzilla? The 1998 mix was amazing for height channels and imaging but I felt it could use more bass.

@racyJace

4 жыл бұрын

I'll see how my xtz 12.17 Edge handles Godzilla then. Gotta love bass! I've some Atmos speakers too so it sounds like a good film to test my system. Overload had great audio too.

Hi Youthman Just wondering if you have ever heard of the Tonewinner d6000 subwoofer, maybe do a review?

Would the comparison in output at specific frequencies from the compression tests inaccurate because each sub hit compression at different volumes? If comparing SPL vs frequencies, wouldn't it need to be level matched?

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly I’m not sure. I’m definitely not an expert at REW but feel the test is fair. The purpose of Compression testing is to find the max output of the subwoofer. This means the end volume will be different for each sub. I went as high as I could go volume wise for each subwoofer until they reached their max output

Great video as always my man 💪🏿

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly

They both have internal dsp...Great review though, i just bought two of those monoliths. They are on sale right now for 149 off, so , why not!

for 1500 you'd recommend the monolith over a PSA?

great video !!! Two solid performers!!

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I agree

Is hsu vtf3 mk5 a good subwoofer?

Very cool. Wish I could see someone compare the PB16 vs the HSU VTF-15 MK2. Heck, you could do two VTF-15's for just a little more than the Monolith. Of course, may be a reason nobody compares them...I never see much excursion from my VTF-15, it sounds really good to me but doesn't ever really knock me over. However I did get hollow headed after tuning it playing the waterfall scene from Prometheus repeatedly. I think two of them would be ideal for my room-really it's one end of an open floor plan ~15'x35'.

Have you ever used a car audio spl meter to see the real time decibel level at your ears in your home theater? I believe SSA has a bluetooth one for your Phone and you can place the SPL meter anywhere to better show comparisons between drivers like what DB and frequency vary between subs

Great video as always youthman

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

How to calculate required watts for a particular room... for e.g.. just heard 20x20 room needs 200 watts power of a.v receiver n speakers then v can feel is it true

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Don't worry about watts for a room. You won't find a receiver that pushes 200 watts per channel. You need a dedicated amp for that much power.

Youthman, I just found you. THANK YOU for doing what you do! Re: The monolith M-215 from 10 Hz to 20 Hz. you're saying you can't hear it (Human hearing being 20-20K) how well can you FEEL it?

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words. This video probably explains it best kzread.info/dash/bejne/ka6LmLtrk9reYJs.html

What about the Rel Predator in comparison to the PB-16.I'm up in the air on which to buy.Thanks

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

I am working with REL to review their new sub but do not have any dates on when that might happen.

My conclusion is that I'd for sure rather have dual Monoliths and get output to 10Hz. If you put a HP filter at 16Hz on the Monolith you could probably get almost as high output for the Monolith. There is always a trade off between output and how deep you want to go. Test plugging some ports on the SVS16 and you'd get to 10Hz as well and see how the output compares then.

Great video so thanks for that now the question of the day is would it be better for 2 Monolith 15's or 1 SVS Pro 16 ? It would be around the same price so that would be a great comparison. Thanks

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

I have always been a fan of running dual subs. Either option is great. Just depends on what’s important to you

@toddparkos5738

4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman Thanks for the response. So which situations are better for duals vs the SVS. I personally have to have the feel of a movie more then music but I want both if that makes sense.

would love for you to review the HSU subs with REW and compare !!! VTF-15H MK2

@kkim4282

4 жыл бұрын

I've been waiting for the review of the VTF-15H MK2 for years. I hope he reviews it soon.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

I reached out to them about a year ago about reviewing their products and never heard back from them. So I assume they’re not interested

Do you use different sound setups/presets for different genres of movies?

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

No same settings

Great comparison! Have you done any comparison between the pb16 and Goldenear supersub xxl?

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

No I have not heard the Goldenear subs

Wow what great video, thanks man really appreciate it.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it Joe

The Monolith M15-S (sealed version) is on sale for 25% off. Any ideas how that would compare to the ported version you evaluated? I have a pair of PB-2000s currently.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Hard to tell without hearing it myself. Typically ported equivalents will have more output around their tuning frequency and will provide more tactile bass than their equivalent sealed sub. For movies, I would recommend ported unless you have large 18” sealed subs.

@DerekBove

4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman thanks! I think I'll wait for an SVS sale on the 4000s or the ported version of the Monoliths.

Hey Youthman, awesome review here I feel you were honest and backed it up with reliable measurable data. But did you try running the PB16-Ultra in extended mode? I could be wrong but don't they claim supported more output at lower frequency if you plug 1 of the ports, making it "extended". I could be wrong on this but wanna hear what you think about it. Anyways, thanks!

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I would have to look at their website to see how each mode compares. I was thinking Extended allows it to dig a little deeper but sacrificed a bit of output.

@GoogleUsedToLetThisNameBeLong

4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman Yeah that sounds about right, just curious how that would effect your graph and the discernible sub frequency/infrasound in the 10-20hz range you were taking about. Either way though very interesting results.

@mohammedisaa9952

Жыл бұрын

This comment....... So if the bung was put in, theoretically the svs would have been nearer to the monolith in the lower frequencies, and nearer to the monolith in overall output...... All my atupid brain see's and hears is that the svs sounded bwtter, but the monolith can dig deeper...... svs looks far far better, but at nearly double the cost i could have a "comparable" system with 2 subs and not turned up as loud...... I worry about them solid kevlar cones wobberling and unevenly twisting and distorting whilst attatched to the coil formers, surely those tubes must be bending behind the cones near the magnets as they go in and out and are effected by the uneven warping of these reinforced cones, irrespecrive if they have many (dual layer?) spiders and the rubber outer surrounds ?..... i think something has to rip, but they dont....... not used to seeing this in smaller speaker drivers...... what a reverlation people endure for perfection.....

Been out looking for subs. I have yet to see Monolith but I have seen SVS. Did you just audition from your home or from a store?

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Monolith doesn’t have a store. These were reviewed in my own home.

What do you think about JLAudio are they a good powered subwoofers?

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

JL Audio made their name in the 90’s in car audio. They entered Home Theater and 2ch many years ago but you don’t hear a lot about them now. Probably has a lot to do with their premium prices and most consumers feel you can get more performance for less with other companies.

Thank you for the comparison. How do you connect the subs to the processor? Coax/sub cable/xlr? I want to run XLR for my subs as well as the sub cables that look like RCA cables. What type is needed? I’m seeing a lot of “microphone” type or analog type from monoprice. Confused on what to purchase.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Depends on what receiver or preamp I am using. You won’t hear a difference between RCA and XLR with your subwoofers. XLR helps to reduce the potential for hum due to ground loop issues. If you don’t have any hum with RCA, you won’t hear any benefit from XLR

@Lafiro

4 жыл бұрын

Youthman I ran coax to 3 of 4 locations in the room and fear that was a mistake. I ran one sub rca cable from mediabride. But since I am seeing some receivers with xlr outputs, I wanted to get that run alongside my already run cables for the capability to use either or in the future. I need to figure it now before I install tiles and molding and lose all ability to hide any new runs. That is there I’m lost with all these XLR types and ends, 21awg vs 16awg.... I just can’t find the right answers online specifically for a subwoofer connection. I’m going for a 9.2.6 system so I’m running all the cables for that in advance all hidden.

@Lafiro

4 жыл бұрын

Youthman I’m torn between Monoprice item # 4756 and Worlds Best Cables Wuad Balanced microphone Moyano 2534 wire with Neutrik plugs. I don’t know which would be better, again specifically for subwoofers.

Youthman, could you please compare the monolith 12 and the 15 ported ones. Have heard some say that although the 15 is louder, it sometimes is not as tight as the 12s. I would really love to listen to the facts from somebody like you who really knows what they're dealing with

The Monolith measured smoother into the infrasonic region.

What’s up youthman! What do you think about pairing up a PB 16 with a PSA V1811? Do you think I would have an issue blending them together?

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

It shouldn’t be a problem. I just don’t recommend mixing sealed and ported subs as you tend to get cancellation issues

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Feel free to ask Tom (owner of PSA and also the “V” in SVS). He knows the SVS products quite well.

Can you tell me if the 10 inch Monolith is better than the SVS PB 1000? which do you think is best of both?

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry Rony, I have not heard either of those.

Youthman, for the test did you set the Monolith to THX or Extended?

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure which one I used in this video but I did try both of them. I believe our preferred extended in my setup.

You should demo the SVS PB-2000... I would like to see it with REW Calibration. Demo 2 PB-2000’s vs 1 PB-3000.

@richardjoseph2145

3 жыл бұрын

think youthman might need to find a lightly used fallout bunker for his new theater room with all this bass!

WOW Big Guy!!! GREAT 3 video series! Best I've ever seen! Opinion and fact to back it up. For me I would buy 2 Monolith for the price of 1 SVS. SVS a bit better on paper but MY ears wouldn't be able to tell the difference. DEFINITELY in your best top ten videos!! LOL

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Wow I appreciate the compliment Les

Thanks for spending the time in these videos! Sounds like for the money your just better off with 2 Monoliths for the price of one PB16.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

That would be an excellent setup for sure

@derrickmcpherson44

4 жыл бұрын

Beside the cost what is best if money was no object

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as “the best subwoofer”. Each has different pros/cons and and for different needs.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

One day, I will upgrade to a pair of subs that each have dual 18” drivers in them. For most, this would be complete overkill and not very practical due to their size. Even those beasts can be outperformed by certain other subs.

Comparison with Xtz 3x12?

Let's get ready tooo rumble!!!!!!

Based on your findings, would you say that the monolith subwoofer is a more home theater oriented subwoofer than the pb16?

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

No, both of these are incredible for home theater. I prefer the PB16 but as I mentioned, due to the much higher cost, it’s not for everyone. You could buy a pair of Monolith 15 for the price of a single PB16 and have the same output and lower extent ion below 20Hz. You just wouldn’t have the nicer finish, SVS app and DSP built in.

@robertmedina3195

4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman I was thinking the same thing. For nearly the same price you could purchase two Monolith 15s and get more output plus great low end.

have you tried to block a port of those pb 16 ? i have low end sub whit 2 port i tried to block second port and it helped to no clip when i crank them in music :D dont know if its a right term but let me explain this way the elemet whas shaking too much.. some day i will get better gear to my theater. i like to watch your vids " moore is better allways"

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Yes most of the time I ran it in extended mode which is one port closed closed

is the extra 4-5 db at low freqs worth such a massive price diff ?

@Youthman

6 ай бұрын

To me, yes.

thank you for you vids man, I love them. But can you pleeeze compare or do a Mololith 15 vs SVS PB4000. i have seen your vid on the monolith 15 vs PB 16 ultra and the monolith vs the PB 3000 but Im really on the fence on these and id love get you input and see or hear the comparison.....thanks much

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the suggestion but unfortunately I no longer have Monolith in for review and I do not have any plans to get the PB4000.

@alex-ty6bi

4 жыл бұрын

thanks for your reply but since you have had both and listened to both can you please comment on which do you think excelled over the other?

I get a little confused here. I mean I know you compared the compression. Monolith still went up 3db except for that one area. So if you were to keep going up. It probably would’ve matched the 16 in all the other frequencies right? Except for the compression area?

@Youthman

11 ай бұрын

That is correct but the point of compression testing is if it any point of the frequency response it no longer increasing, you have reached compression. That’s the entire point of the test.

That was a really great video Michael. I learned a bit about REW. I'm interested to look into doing that technique in the future when I get to doing more tests on my own equipment. That was a great comparison. I think you pay more for the fit/finish of the SVS, which is outstanding. If people are really after a superior look, SVS is it. But if there's greater focus on performance, I'm thinking 2 of the monoliths would really do well to level out the sound and match the output of the SVS. Just my .02 😎

@LifeofBliss

4 жыл бұрын

^^^ When comparing pricing that is... Or you can go all out and just grab 2 SVS PB16s 😉

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

For sure. I agree with you on all points

What is the time on that scene? I want to try it too.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Around 14:20 and 18:00

Ever since you review 4:01 ed them monoliths i rushed out and got 2 i love them when i move home i will get more if i need them. They never get even warm at the end of film.

@Youthman

3 ай бұрын

Awesome and congrats!

@wayneross9723

3 ай бұрын

Hi youthman I couldn't find the original thread from yesterday to reply to you , I tested out my bmw pv1 just to see if it was the subwoofer lead that was at fault and was able to daisy chain my monolith and it worked fine, so switched the monoliths around I can't have all 3 faulty none of them worked, so I thought that can't be right ,so put my glasses on and notice you can't link subs both the lfe phonos are input, how can that be, then I remember watching some engineer talking about best way to connect subs he didn't tell me anything I didn't already know xlr best way to connect, but he also said just for mono price subs an advantage is using a Y slitter gives you more extention, I thought how can you connect both in and out with a Y slitter and dismissed what he was saying it reminded me of my b&w nautilus and its old, moral of the story never assume what connections are on a sub, I think you did mention you could link them in the review, I am getting a upgrade on the processor with 4 sub outs when I move home so not a problem the 3rd 15inch monolith will just have to set there looking good till I move lol

Great video! Would be great to see a comparison with a REL subwoofer. They don't seem to send gear to youtubers

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

I’m working with them now. It’s been a long process.

@MichaelGreco

4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman great job! That would be awesome. Are you trying to get their home theater series?

Hello and thank you for your reviews! I find them very informative and make my bride watch with me when she has the time. I am looking for a pair of subs that will serve a budget audiophile well (basically anything under $1500 a pair). I will be pairing it with Ascend Sierra Towers (with ribbon tweeters) and the Denon x4500h is my AVR. I would lean more towards audiophile subs. We live in a typical home in Osaka Japan so I am a bit size constrained (for example: SB 16s are a dream but too big to get a pair in the room). Thank you in advance.

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

SB3000 were great for music.

@antoinem.al-aziz3521

4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman Thank you so much for your recommendation! I am looking at them now. Arigato gozaimasu!

it would be interesting to look at the distortions tab of REW - I think that below 40 Hz there are more distortions than the signal, harmonics and the whistle of the bass reflex ports are heard

@Youthman

4 жыл бұрын

Way above my area of expertise

You must have a huge theater room, my two Yamaha CXS18XLF subs hit 120 db @ 30hz in my 12 by 16 room (mic at center seat) with a Crown XLS 2002 on each one. They get louder but my ears / house can't take it. Are your numbers actual SPL or something in a computer simulator test? Did you measure one or a pair of SVS? Great video, it's awesome to see a showdown like this! I really thought the SVS would be louder a 30 hz tho

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

My room is 13’ x 19’ with 10’ ceiling. Measured with SPL meter. I have measured my JTR Captivator subs at 115dB @ 8hz