Reasons why modern yugioh sucks for me... 1. The Power level of the game and gameplay - Modern yugioh is fundamentally a very bad, unhealthy, unfun card game due to all of the absurd power creep. So many decks both on the competitive and casual level engage often times in unfun play styles from FTK's to endless negates/handtraps to hand loops to stun. And this is a result of your average deck being way too overpowered in general. Combo decks with 1 card starters and room for 15 handtraps should not exist in this game. Consistent FTKs should not exist in this game. Decks that just flip floodgates nonstop should not exist in this game. Engines like runick or purrely that let you draw like 2 or more cards every goddam turn should not exist in this game. Just about every deck and their mother can otk you easily in one turn which makes duels boring, too fast, and too short and necessitates the unfun strategies I just listed. Going second can be overpowered at times too as there are board breakers that can just win you the duel by themselves like evenly matched for instance. Many decks nowadays are running close to half if not half they're decks with hand traps which is also miserable to play against since you just can't play at all if you get hand trapped two or more times usually. 2. Most decks feel the same and lack diversity - Most decks pretty much always play the same boring overpowered/unfair extra deck monsters or hand traps a million times over or engage in either the same or a slighty different variation of the same unfair strategies that I mentioned in the first point. It makes yugioh overall a very boring game with hardly anything unique to it. 3. The ban lists suck ass - Every banlist I have seen since I came back to the game varies from mediocre at best to outright dogshit at worst. The ban lists never do enough to balance the game or reign in the power levels. Because rather than using the list to make the game fun and healthy, konami uses it to sell new cards even if those cards existing makes the game awful which it often does. 4. The game is too damn expensive - This should be self-explanatory. Rarely is there a time when this game isn't expensive. Especially if you want to play at the highest competitive level. 5. Competitive yugioh is bad and not worth the effort to get into it - Between the amount of money it takes to play (And not just the price of cards and accessories but also the price to travel where the ycs/regional is which depending on where you live and where it is can be extremely costly.), unfun/unhealthy gameplay, awful prizing if you do manage to win in the first place, and konami deciding whenever they feel like it to kill your deck on a banlist and destroy the value of it.....competitive yugioh just isn't worth it and feels like a massive scam. It makes far more sense to just play casually. 6. Konami - I don't think there is anyone on this planet that is worse at running a card game then konami is. They are terrible in every way possible. The fact that they continue to make broken and unfair cards that make the game worse instead of balancing the game and reigning in the power levels for a change, the fact that they clearly have a massive bias in favor of the ocg over tcg which is why the ocg gets treated so much better, their reprehensible greed, and so forth.

@holstonmatt

19 күн бұрын

Dude most of the stuff of the stuff you talk about had happen in older yugioh for example chaos otk in goat format, also look at formats like dad format and other formats like wind-up format and don't get me started on the awful ban lists of the past with cards like royal oppression and a lot of other unfun cards being legal for way too long

@holstonmatt

19 күн бұрын

I will never understand why us yugioh players always complain about how modern yugioh is unfun and how decks feel the same and how there too many otks when older yugioh was the same way

@lightning2279

19 күн бұрын

@@holstonmatt Because you are lying. While there were badly made cards, decks, and formats in DM and GX era yugioh, they were no where near as bad or toxic as modern era stuff today. For every FTK, consistent OTK, or stun strategy you could point out in the duel monsters era there are drastically more of them that are legal in modern yugioh. That objectively makes modern yugioh far worse. And at least the problems in DM yugioh could be defended by the fact that it was the early years of yugioh and konami was still trying to figure out the game and what good card design looked like. They ultimately made one of the best if not the best formats in yugioh's history by the name of the goat format after much trial and error. They don't have that excuse today. They clearly know now what makes the game good and what players like but they still deliberately continue to make the game worse for all the reasons I previously mentioned.

@holstonmatt

19 күн бұрын

@@lightning2279 goat format sucks you had all of these sacky one ofs and annoying chaos decks that can otk you out of nowhere if you are going to try defend older yugioh maybe point to a actual good format like edison(the only good older yugioh format other than 2015 yugioh)

@lightning2279

19 күн бұрын

@@holstonmatt Glad to know you have no idea what you are talking about and never even played goat format before. There are many other decks you can play besides just chaos strategies. It's objectively better than any modern era format. Many older formats are better than modern yugioh tho not just goat. Even people that like modern yugioh know it sucks and complain about it almost all the time.

I mean this is a consequence of 20+ years of power creep and the lack of any actual design when it came to initially creating YuGiOh

@yeeoof1995

8 ай бұрын

well, they winged it in the first place because the manga didn't say much. still a massive lack of foresight though

@randomprotag9329

8 ай бұрын

the main issue is lack of format planning. standard usually is a middle power format and there's a vintage type one which can broken cause its a side format that poeple are not forced into to play at events. yugioh has the vintage format as the standard.

@Merceralex77

8 ай бұрын

the game is pretty solid now but there's obviously things that don't work. it's hard on the new players but for an Yu-Gi-Oh enjoyer it's really fun to play the meta. you rarely brick and if you now what you are doing you have a response to the opponent. the game is way more interactive nowadays

@vergillives9890

8 ай бұрын

Here's our broken deck 6 months later bans half the deck heres the new deck 6 months bans more

@ensamvarg8504

7 ай бұрын

@@vergillives9890 so everyone saying yugioh doesnt have set rotation is actually wrong, got it

Modern Yugioh is literally “play the newest stuff out. You can’t even play with your favorite deck because its power crept by a landslide.

@streetgamer3452

7 ай бұрын

That is incorrect

@Jokerman595

3 ай бұрын

@@streetgamer3452nope they’re correct. there is a new meta like every single time konami releases a new archetype and it makes every other deck useless once someone finds a way to make it powerful

@DaakkuuYRS

3 ай бұрын

Basically, yugioh does have a rotation like other card games, but is done in the worst way possible which is ruining the game.

@mr.orange2192

2 ай бұрын

​@@Jokerman595that's just not true. Besides the fact that they have to make every new archtype playable in order to make money, the meta usually consists of a few new strategies and old ones that people are still experimenting with today. If what you 're saying is true then there shouldn't be Exodia decks winning YCSs or that one time Blue eyes won worlds.

@DragonBallsolosyourverse

2 ай бұрын

Snake eyes And Tearlaments Are examples of that

Fun fact: Most "Control" decks actually don't fit the definition of a control deck, which is to say a deck based on denying opponents resources and winning in a grindgame. Most "Control" decks actually are Stun decks, playing floodgates and locking the opponent out of taking entire game actions rather than denying resources. It's gotten that bad

@vergillives9890

8 ай бұрын

Because every deck becomes a generic control deck with extra steps

@josephcourtright8071

8 ай бұрын

What Yugioh calls control decks mtg would call prison decks. The difference is that in most magic formats you need to work for your lockout condition and aren't likely to just do it turn 1.

@speechless1887

8 ай бұрын

How to perfectly describe eldlich 👀

@wren5413

8 ай бұрын

Crazy how incorrect this is

@ensamvarg8504

7 ай бұрын

nobody in their right mind calls a stun deck control, we are very capable of differentiating those terms.

I've been playing this game for 20 years, and i hate how tunnelvisioned the game is now. I remember when i used to have fun actually PLAYING the game instead of watching someone go full combo for 60 billion years while im stuck sitting there, not even on my first turn yet. I pity anyone who tries to start playing this game the way it is now, because it is absolutely NOT beginner friendly anymore.

@daviddraws2534

2 ай бұрын

As a beginner, I just stick with fusion summoning and basically GX era stuff, and add xyz in my extra deck because it's not that hard to summon

@Dr.AvenVon

Ай бұрын

@@daviddraws2534 out of all the new summon mechanics, xyz is probably the best designed one, using it is the best choice for a beginner

What's crazy is that I've noticed them doing this over 5 years ago when I stopped playing and it's still going on. They really don't respect their fans.

@Samurai-no4wu

12 күн бұрын

Well this is only keeps going because the "fans" still buy into and only like to yap. If one dosen't respect onself then it's no wonder Konami has been playing these dudes for years. I've never seen the Yugioh community band together to change anything for this game. They let Konami be lazy with their yugioh video games as they been selling the same game for years and calling it a new one (Aka duel generations)and though there may be a lot of complaning nothing has ever been actually done to cause a change within card game itself too.

@yaboicaden200

Күн бұрын

All they care about is moneyyyyy

You know the game is fucked when half of every deck are just cards to stop your opponent from playing Then game is fcked when you care more about stop your opponent from having fun rather than focus on you having fun

@streetgamer3452

7 ай бұрын

How every competitive game works

@Nelex5000

4 ай бұрын

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@streetgamer3452

4 ай бұрын

@@Nelex5000 then you’ve never played a competitive game. Also, settle down kid, no reason to yell

@Nelex5000

4 ай бұрын

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@mr.orange2192

2 ай бұрын

That's literally any game on a competitive level. The best strategy in any competion is not giving your opponent a chance to fight back.

The real problem is you can do too much with little to no penalty. People on first turns are getting full boards. It's stupid. That's why games liek magic have resources pools. So you can't just do whatever you want.

@jorgecarvajal5385

7 ай бұрын

u just dont understand yugi, for yugi monster are the resource for expample against rescue ace, ash to the hydrant and impermanence against the big, and gg, anf if u goinf frist just make sure y have a barone and some impermance for nagate, against purrely just one ashe to the purple one or ona troll and is gg for that deck, or have one shifter all card instead go to the GY are banish and aloot of deck will do nothing

@willywonka00

7 ай бұрын

@jorgecarvajal5385 No I overstand it and it sucks. Hand traps ruined the game but were needed to stop people from going full boards in one turn and the game became mostly rng. It's stupid.

@jorgecarvajal5385

7 ай бұрын

as i say, clearly u dont understand modern yugi, i like it even when i feel frustrated just change some thing for make a better strategy, but hey do u know are 2 other formats its call edison format its a format untill 2011 for the tournament of the same name and goat, or yugiclassic card release till 2006, they are not official but alot of locals have people who like and minitournamets on locas, and even in official tournaments are always some tables for that 2 formats, not for the championship but have prizes @@willywonka00

@user-hj8oh9kh7v

17 күн бұрын

​@@jorgecarvajal5385🤡 nice repeat bot!

@josephcourtright8071

3 күн бұрын

@@jorgecarvajal5385 He said nothing about resources. What are you talking about? The issue with yugioh is that there is no punishment for overextending. More summons = more interruptions. So the crazier you go on your first turn the safer you are.

I tried learning Yu-Gi-Oh using Master Duel as my younger brother is really into it and keeps trying to make conversation about it. I got through a lot of the solo stuff to learn the mechanics and was enjoying a fair bit of it. I built a Tenyi deck (lots of simple special summons and easy to learn/combo) and took it to the rookie leagues; this has been a miserable experience and I now hate the game with a burning passion after just a handful of actual duels. I won a match where my opponent just set a monster and spell card before conceding. I then played against Galaxy Eyes Photon Dragon: they played Maxx C straight away and then comboed into hitting me for 13k damage on the first turn they could attack. My next opponent was an exosister deck so I patiently sat through about 20 of their special and XYZ summons before I got a go, then they also played Maxx C and ruined my entire gameplan before I even got to do anything. I did get my walls out in a match eventually and had a tenyi monster that can negate an incoming attack and destroy the attacking monster ready to surprise them... but my negate got negated so I lost. I think I'll go back to the Pokemon TCG because I want to play a game that actually allows me to play and have more than at most 2 turns to a match.

@ultra-vn9id

8 ай бұрын

That's unfortunate to hear. Sadly, the tutorials and solo gates in master duel really don't show how the game is played at all. My favorite example with card games and yugioh is that most of them are like platform fighters that you have way more space for mistakes and is more os a grind to take a win, while yugioh is a typical figthing game that you get comboed to oblivion unless you're more experienced and combo them instead with almost no space for mistakes. While both are fun to play, yugioh is way more difficult to enter as a new player because you're most likely to just lose simply for your first games since you got less experience.

@Umbreon-ln7fe

8 ай бұрын

@@ultra-vn9id Appreciate your perspective and I guess we're looking for different things from the game; I want to have some fun with decks, cards and mechanics I like rather than be uber competitive. If I get only one turn to play (a lot of which will get negated or interrupted) each game before getting obliterated by someone's combo then it seems that my mistake was made by not having a third of my deck be hand traps or by not drawing the right cards during my setup. I see it like releasing a fighting game where only three characters in a huge roster are viable, and I doubt anyone would consider that a good (or at least well-balanced) fighting game. I don't expect to win against a better deck, but I want to at least be able to play against them. I also don't want to be forced to have to get every disruptive staple to compete nor am I a sadistic bastard that wants to lock out my opponent in such a way.

@vergillives9890

8 ай бұрын

Indeed if your not learning 10 years of interactions with a single deck your fuk and every other deck in rotation

@zedreamcast4575

8 ай бұрын

The big thing you have to understand is you're fighting against people who are trying to be competive and probably understand the game better than you do. In a more casual environment with friends explaining what is good to do or what to do you'd probably be able to enjoy the game more. As someone who plays mainly non meta decks and still does relatively well in master duel, including galaxy eyes photon. I'll tell you its probably also you're not very good at the game. @@Umbreon-ln7fe

@ongphongnguyen4477

8 ай бұрын

@@Umbreon-ln7fe Yeah, I had this exact kind of experience 7 months ago when my friend introduced me to Yugioh. I just watched him do a bunch of combos, summon 3 synchro monsters, and that was it. But honestly, the game gets quite decent after a while. Also, I don't think Tenyi is a bad deck, especially Its swordsoul variation compared to stuff like exosister and galaxy dragon(I've met a lot of swordsoul tenyi players but rarely see the other 2)

in master duel if I have to sit more than 5 min for turn 1 i'm leaving i'm tiered of having going against people who don't end thier turn

@jorgecarvajal5385

7 ай бұрын

use traphands, that all, against the freaking purrely just use ashe or impermanence in the purple effect monster, that will break all the combo

@jorgecarvajal5385

7 ай бұрын

against rescue-ace, impermance to the hydrant and try to save the ash for the card "EMERGENCY" that break the combo

@jorgecarvajal5385

7 ай бұрын

for branded fusion, impermance to the maniquie or use a drol and save Ash for branded fusion card

@jorgecarvajal5385

7 ай бұрын

XDD dude sounds like you suffer against brick eyes blue dragon with the chaos max XD funny thing is one of the worst deck, i left to play in 2011 and just recently come back, and i win a no official tournament for return player on local with gravekeepers and i play against kashtiras and tearlaments, i just buy som traphands, and new supports, some xyz, also u can play edison format (yugi pre xyz just syncrhos) and goat (clasasic yugi rules and card untill 2006 have aloot of pupularity), there are another formats like speed duels or just play without format and use solem opresion, sixth sense are aloot but aloot of old card just brake the meta, even my rouge gravekeeper deck, no special summon, no banish, no graveyard, and if u use a card like royal tribute aloot of meta deck will just surrunder, but if u thing u can just undust ur old deck, The saturday i lost 1 duel against trapdeck, with magic cilinders XDDD it was so funny couse i was using my meta deck instead gravekeeper, and i lost against a old trap deck XDD, are rouge deck they are strong, like old banish deck with macrocosmo and great maju of erza, but yes you need traphands, without that u are just a open target even for OTK like utopia deck, its one of the easy disrupt combos, traphands like ash, dimension shifter(this one do all cards will send to the GY banish instead a pretty good support for maju deck ), nibiru, lava golem, ra sphere mode, just play rouge decks are aloot and are good, even zombies are good, maybe no meta for win a tournament but still good@sheeplehunter505

@jorgecarvajal5385

7 ай бұрын

@sheeplehunter505 also a meta deck for modern terms are the deck can disrupt play even with disrupt, if just one ashe, or any traphands stop your deck, its not meta

You forgot to mention: if your deck gets good Support but it is generic everyone else will use it to greater efficiency than your kristron/ metalfose/ predaplant deck and sooner or later that support gets banned

@Honest_Mids_Masher

6 ай бұрын

Guess what? Those cards weren't meant just for those decks. They were generic to support the summoning mechanics during MR4 that were made unplayable because of links. They were meant to be used in multiple different decks to support them all but by the time MR5 came around they weren't needed anymore

@AnotherVessel

3 ай бұрын

Am I part of the problem for using Chaos Ruler in my RDA deck?

@youtubeuniversity3638

2 ай бұрын

​@@Honest_Mids_MasherSlit "meant for"'s throat. Intention does not justify.

@youtubeuniversity3638

2 ай бұрын

​@@AnotherVessel...are you part of the ygo design team? No? Then how are you a problem causer?

@Honest_Mids_Masher

2 ай бұрын

@@youtubeuniversity3638 What's your point? All I'm saying is that they were used in a time when every other summoning mechanic was unplayable. Now that that era was over they lost their purpose

This is why after 7 years of playing advanced format competitively, I shifted to only playing goat and Edison format, aka an actual interactive and fun card game.

This video perfectly voices my gripes with modern Yu-gi-oh. If you don’t draw the one card you need turn 1, then you can’t play and just instantly lose. There’s no back and forth with your opponent and it’s always a one-sided curb stomp.

@LuciferArc1

8 ай бұрын

Pretty much. I quit playing when links came out. I was dueling online and someone made a deck that would insta win the first turn by literally denying you the ability to play any card AT ALL. If they went first, get bent. They'd cancel your turn and attack you. So I remade that deck, altered a few cards to make it more consistent, and proceeded to curb stomp people online. I quit because I was floored with how the hell it was even possible. They somehow made the game just completely unplayable in a single generation of the game. There's no coming back from that without rebooting the fuckin game

@streetgamer3452

7 ай бұрын

There has been a back and forth for the past like few years

@Gabu_

7 ай бұрын

@@streetgamer3452 Did you even watch the video, or are you just illiterate?

@angel-memeroftheisles

7 ай бұрын

Unchained, the current best deck, making 3 interruptions in their endboards: Yeah, you don't see the back & forth because your deck sucks. Pick up real decks and you will see the back & forth aspect of the game more

@streetgamer3452

7 ай бұрын

@@Gabu_ have you played Yugioh in the past few years? This video is literally int about what actual modern is

Yugioh back in the late GX and late 5D’s era, were the best and most fun era of Yugioh.

@eavyeavy2864

9 ай бұрын

Pre-synchro DAD and frognarch ftk?

@r3zaful

8 ай бұрын

Late gx is filled with grapha skill drain especially in ocg. You will hate it so much

@Shadowrulzalways

8 ай бұрын

@@r3zaful Grapha wasn’t out until early Zexal era

@Ragnellrok

8 ай бұрын

Edison/YuGiOld baybeeee

@shyshek_shyshkovic

8 ай бұрын

That's why before I quit YGO I played GX Duel Academy the most. There were some Special Summons, there were some negations, but the whole game wasn't overtaken by them.

Well put, I had very similar, if not exact thoughts about the game. The game became too saturated and I don't believe it's sustainable like this (which is the reason why Rush Duels even exist). I felt very bad when Benten got hit because of Drytrons. I honestly play Cyber Angels and this is what they did.

@SoftwareNeos

8 ай бұрын

I hate that i cant even play rush diels physically

@RyoCanCan

8 ай бұрын

@@SoftwareNeos They're slowly releasing sets so it'll be possible sooner than later.

@davidenren6496

8 ай бұрын

For the TCG that would be GOLDEN

I miss when real trap cards could actually turn the tide of the game back and forth and normal monsters were usable.

@Pydtosofz

8 ай бұрын

Wait till you find out about sunseed genius loci

@PlayDANMAKU

8 ай бұрын

Wait until you find out about Labrynth

@default9314

8 ай бұрын

Wait until you find out that, unfortunately, vanilla monsters will be powercrept out of any card game eventually. Its unfortunate, but its ehat happens when you exist for 25 years

@snakevenom56

8 ай бұрын

Normal monsters had already been filtered out of most decks by 2004, if anything they're more usable now than ever before due to the fact that decks like Suship are built around them, and they aren't just blue-eyes white dragon being used in a draw engine to FTK using exodia. Even the combo deck that has one multiple high level European championship events often starts by summoning a normal monster, yes, that sunseed genius loci

@toshihironeedels1671

8 ай бұрын

@@default9314 Well, I’m just hoping another deck rocks the meta like world chalice.

one main thing i noticed is that the modern day powercreep is to simply... remove costs. like the new labyrinth deck does shit my rogue decks do in terms of search, but i gotta spend 2 cards for cost while they can just flip a trap during the standby phase and immediately pull the strongest monster from their deck

Allowing an infinite amont of special summons was a HUGE mistake imo, YGO would be better if it was limited to ~2 specials per turn imo

@TheWhyme01

8 ай бұрын

Yeah thats not a bad idea

@abeelze

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, I was thinking on adding that rule when playing with friends to see how it goes

@streetgamer3452

7 ай бұрын

How to kill the game ^

@MrAskmannen

7 ай бұрын

@@streetgamer3452 yeah, if they added that rule now it would absolutely kill the game. I meant they shouldve designed the game around limited special summons from the start.

@streetgamer3452

7 ай бұрын

@@MrAskmannen then the game would be a much worse magic. Which is what it was before modern, aka around 2010 infernity. Just a worse magic that isn’t unique. So, once again, it’d kill the game

Yugioh has become a game where the meta is more about stopping your opponent from playing, instead of having smarter plays. That's why it's boring.

@QuantemDeconstructor

7 күн бұрын

I don't need to know what a card does or think about what part it plays in my opponent's plan when I have a 3-stack Apo & Baronne on board, chances are they can't play through it

Yugioh has had over a decade to fix the problems and chose not to. I'll always enjoy nostalgia bait products, but I could never play again after Zoo format.

Yugioh games these days only last 1 or 2 turns, either whomever goes first summons an invincible army or he gets countered and ragequits, it's not fun to play nor to watch.

If you go second with no hand traps u basically lose regardless if the opponent plays ftk or not. That's the least problematic thing discussed in the video

@ensamvarg8504

8 ай бұрын

How did someone win a ycs somewhat recently with 0 handtraps in their entire build then? Weird

@dyyler1170

8 ай бұрын

@@ensamvarg8504 yeah they played board breakers instead, not like it changes my point

@kulamiso9489

7 ай бұрын

*laughs in dark ruler no more into evenly matched*

@dyyler1170

7 ай бұрын

@@kulamiso9489 read the other comment I sent but yeah haha

@mr.orange2192

2 ай бұрын

​@@dyyler1170I don't really get what your point is. Of course a card game are going to be atleast 50% luck based. When people point out that handtraps and board breakers can deal with that they mean putting them in your deck gives you A CHANCE at winning, just like playing any other cards.

I think that one of the main problems is cards having too many effects, like a monster can have a summoned effect, on field effect and sent to the GY effect all at once. Also I did not see Trains in your architype tier list.

@dudono1744

22 сағат бұрын

And it was shown a few years ago that a deck mainly made of 1-effect cards can be terrifying (talking about Drytron)

Konami seems to be naming its new archetypes like pharmaceutical companies name new drugs. I really despise the naming schemes and aesthetics of modern yugioh designs. Bysteel sucks as a name, tearlamnt sucks as a name, kashtira sucks as a name. I don't want a pill bottle of kashtira served to me by my doctor

@brunopereira-gx7dp

2 ай бұрын

This is more of the TCG's fault than the OCG's, when they import cards abroad they most of the time use stupid names.

@TarosTheVoid

2 ай бұрын

Full agree, alot of these newer archetype designs and how they play, they just feel so soulless Think imma remember Tearlaments or Sky Strikers as anything but these generic looking cards that don't look like Yugioh monsters

@Dr.AvenVon

Ай бұрын

@@brunopereira-gx7dp remember how they changed "Skyfang Brigade" to "fur hire"? localisers are the worst people

An easy way to fix this entire problem without banning everything, is creating a rotating format. That way even if the game gets degenerate it can be handled quickly and you don’t have to ban an infinite amount of old cards. Yugioh has gotten so fast that the game is usually decided turn 1-2. Like how does the power level get higher than that?

@cobanus2862

7 ай бұрын

It’s coming to its conclusion. Which is broken and only kids and autistic virgins play now.

@jorgecarvajal5385

7 ай бұрын

fast phasing its the way for yugi, yes maybe 2 or 3 turn but a good turn with negates and dancing arround take arround 2 or 3 minutes and if u make 1 mistake on the negates proably u lost the game, u need to learn the breakpoint of the decks and who u can dance against that, magic is the other side of the coin ussualy 7 to 9 turns, are slow pacing its more like a mental game u can decive ur opponent for make a mystake

@Honest_Mids_Masher

6 ай бұрын

First off the amount of turns that take place in a game hardly matters. What matters is the interaction that takes place within those few turns and second of all games last 2-4 turns usually though it can go longer depending on how evenly matched the two players and their decks are.

@rubotok3703

3 ай бұрын

​@@Honest_Mids_Masher I think i enjoyed it alot when the games had many turns, and it's a long drawn out battle of luck and skill, rather than whoever can speak fastest on the first turn

@Honest_Mids_Masher

3 ай бұрын

@@rubotok3703 Sorry but the modern game has far more skill expression than how it was before. Before it was mainly luck that decided games.

I think it funny that the "deck getting plenty of support" mostly because I do Infernoble, a side archetype of the Noble Knights. And Noble Knight is the prime example of a deck getting a ton of support yet somehow still end up "flopping." Where as somewhat recently Infernoble got a bit of new toys that ended up helping them a bit. Probably still gonna fall to powercreep later but seeing some limelight is nice.

@Lorens4444

6 ай бұрын

RIP Isolde.

Agree with your whole video. The negating is out of control. The Operah Meme is really relevant: "You get negated! you get negated! Everyone gets negated!". I play locals casually because the game is completely fucked for all the reasons you listed. Being vocally against hand traps on Reddit gets you downvoted into oblivion, part of the problems is many players are toxic and campaign against any change in the game.

@rayquazapasta6272

9 ай бұрын

Lmao I got really mad playing MD so I posted a rant on reddit saying how the game isn't skill based due to this problem Lets just say I hurt a few peepees...

@koro9553

8 ай бұрын

@@rayquazapasta6272 it hurts that you are moaning about the state of yugioh. What do you do if your car is broken and no one wants to fix it? Thats right! Buy a New one. You dont cry about the days when your car worked or try to fix it yourself. Do the same with yugioh. Please. There is still a playerbase that enjoys the game and its Evolution over the years. Dont ruin it for us. Just try and play it or leave. Its just pathetic crying about things and how they used to be. 👎

@sambreaker2978

8 ай бұрын

​@@koro9553Uhm, how about instead, being part of the fanbase, and being a customer, i get to have at least a say in the matter? I mean, asking for a better product doesn't necessarily means hating it, i love yugioh, but i can't stand the direction it's taken due to the fact that a game where you just don't let your opponent play isn't funny at all since the whole game thing is based on an interaction between you and someone else. The whole "you just have to buy a new thing" is a braindead opinion since it just means that what you're searching is something to consume, instead of enjoying it, which is the total opposite of playing a game

@koro9553

8 ай бұрын

@@sambreaker2978 oof, your Logic is so non existent.🤣"I pay for it therefore I am allowed to complain" there are 2 issues. 1. If you love Yugioh, why complain about it? I really dont get it you went in the comment section to tell me that you dont enjoy the game 🤦‍♂️. 2. If you dont like the direction then why do you buy anything? You literally give them the input they need to Continue with their way. (That one that you dont like)😑. If you dont like the direction of the game then go into their Support. They are really kind and also explain a lot of things you obviously dont know about. Like the reason for the Powercap. If you Look at a game like magic. The cards are not that broken and also they dont let you play some cards at some of their tournaments to ensure that you keep buying them. I can promise you that you dont want to have this in YGO. Also who said anything about buy the newest stuff? You dont even got the metaphor right. It was meant that you should move on except of complaining and moaning. 🤦‍♂️you got a say. But I really wish you just keep your mouth shut. The game is great in my opinion and if you have another opinion then great. But then act like it and dont try to change the current game or annoy the players. Just move on to another game that fits you more. I dont play games if I dont like their development. The game will not change and I apreciate it. Because old school Yugioh SUCKS. And everyone that enjoys old Format more than modern Format is just to dumb for modern Yugioh ✌️

@default9314

8 ай бұрын

​@@rayquazapasta6272but it is skill based. Have you seen the MCS match were it was Lab v Branded? That was peak

Not just the community...but the konami shareholders expressed similar views

@SoftwareNeos

8 ай бұрын

Idk how they keep going

@NightRaven5568

8 ай бұрын

Source for this?

One of the biggest problems is how many cards let you search for no additional cost. What makes a good archetype? Being able to search your best cards. Modern archetypes are designed assuming you will search your deck for a specific card you need to make further plays.You get to see your boss monster basically every game, but it reduces the deck to how good that boss monster is.

@SoftwareNeos

7 ай бұрын

This is why dinomist imo are designed well... they dont search their entire deck usually. Its just 1 card. Then they just focus on their gimmick.

@Lorens4444

6 ай бұрын

It can become a disadvantage in Droll formats. Some decks are designed to never search multiple cards and instead rely on having multiple different pieces to do their thing, or have another way to get to their cards.

@boyishdude1234

5 ай бұрын

@@SoftwareNeos I like using my Code Talkers deck in MD for basically the same reason. I can search for some cards, yeah, but only if I use specific monsters to perform Link Summons. Otherwise, I can't search for anything. I have to play to the central gimmick of a Code Talker Turbo deck to be able to search for anything.

Boss monsters need to not be so generic all the time. I still have fun tho cus I like going second decks. I can search owner’s seal in master duel now that thrust is out and get my lava golems back for game. I haven’t looked at the new paper cards a lot lately but I’ve heard Konami seems to be moving away from negates

Came across this video and it encapsulates a lot of what I have issues with in terms of gameplay in Yugioh. If we where to expand on how to fix the game I would force Konami to completely restructure how they do their set design and force them to do more battle pack/ Limited environment Yugioh. There is a lot of skill expression with playing with limited resources and I’d think that would have a good effect when learning how each deck archetype works in a more simplified game state.

@SoftwareNeos

8 ай бұрын

It would be a lot of work. But yes.

@gentlefistinfinity9780

6 ай бұрын

Great point 👍.

I played Compettive from 2017-2021, and looking back, I think 2017 was the year the game entered a point of no return. Because of decks like Zoo, True King/Draco Varients, Dinos, cards like Ash and the new Link Monsters, and just general power creep; We went through over 5 Tier 0 or FTK infested formats from 2017-2021, and the game became “Can you obtain the out? No? Then you can’t play the game.”

I dropped YuGiOh because it became less interactive. You didn't draw teh out? You're screwed. I was done with it, so I went back to Pokémon TCG and I legit remember cringing up thinking a card was gonna KO my active Pokémon and my bench all at once. When it didn't happen, I slowly started getting back into the game and I won. My opponent asked me why I seized up and was visibly nervous and I told him I used to play YuGiOh. That person is now my best friend and rival. We play often at my local park, and he introduced me to a group of friends we call "YGO survivors" and we play Pokémon TCG all the time. We'll often make fun of the current state of YGO and even cringe at the banlists sometimes, but we all planned never to play the game at a competitive level and rarely at a casual one. When your game has people having PTSD, Vietnam flashbacks when playing another game because of the proverbial salad-tossing you put on players, there might be an issue. Here's the thing, YGO suffers from lack of meaningful back-and-forth. Turns are reduced to "draw the out or you lose" and it's an issue that YGO can't solve anymore. As much as i would love to make suggestions, nothing I could suggest would fix the game without breaking something else. Only thing I can honestly think of is to limit the amount of deck space that a player can dedicate to hand traps. Like if you play Ash Blossom, that's the only card that's considered a hand trap you can use.

This is why I'm going to make my own card game. It may not be as popular as Yu-Gi-Oh, its gonna be fun with full engagement.

I play none of the archetypes you listed in tier 2; but some from tiers 3 through 5. And they're pretty fun. Traptrix got me 6th place on locals for example. People never expect a 2nd bottomless traphole. Also, if negation goes away, I guess it'll become a towers marathon, until someone draws their first kaiju.

@dudono1744

8 ай бұрын

Towers won't be really viable because of Kaiju's existence

@Wortigon2000

8 ай бұрын

@@dudono1744 as I said: "until someone draws their first kaiju" This also implies, that Doomdog Ochtos, and Volcanics would become meta decks, as they can search kaijus. (or Lava Golem, in case of Ochtros)

@dudono1744

8 ай бұрын

@@Wortigon2000 That's the thing, half the time the kaiju is in the starting hand, so towers turbo won't be meta in the first place unless the tower is Noir levels of busted

@Wortigon2000

8 ай бұрын

@@dudono1744 dunno about that mate. I do pack a bunch of kaijus as side deck options with some of m ydecks, but some doesn't have even a single one. Unless your opponent has something you rally want to out, but is hard to do so, kaijus are dead cards. Let's say you're going first, and you open a kaiju. It's only use is either as discard fodder, or in turn 3, if you live that long. Even in the decks where I do put a kaiju or 2, I never use more than 2 to 3. Except if it's a deck that relies on having a kaiju in hand all the time, than maybe I can go up to somewhere between 6 to 10 kaijus in a deck, but other than Numeron, I can't imagine any archetype doing that. Heck, I have 2 Radians in my Blackwing deck. For the sole purpose of being a small world bridge, that could alternatively be useful even if I draw into one of them in my starting hand, if I'm going second. I just about never draw into it. And hey, that deck can set up full armor master x2, black winged assault dragon x3 and hot red dragon archfiend abyss in 1 turn with a half decent starting hand. If we say 1 less full armor master, than it's possible with a .15 card combo. (1 Simoon + 1 other random blackwing monster, preferably not the one off oroshi I have in the deck, as that's a material for abyss that I don't have an alternative replacement for.)

@devariojohns

8 ай бұрын

If negation goes away, thats when you rely on protection. There are no recent cards in yugioh that have protection that are not just essentially towers cards. A good defensive card has negation and a limited amount of protection. Maybe if we could ensure our monsters would stick on the board, we wouldnt need so much negation, nor would we need to waste time making so many monsters to "protect" us. A good offensive monster has floating effects instead of protection. In that case the protection is handled by spell/traps.

Yu-Gi-Oh might benefit from multiple formats like magic the gathering. Some rotating others not

@drpulcinella1870

8 ай бұрын

One Yu-Gi-Oh KZreadr tried to propose that and that man got LIT. UP. over it. Like he got absolutely destroyed verbally for just simply thinking about it. Yu-Gi-Oh competitive player base just Black lists that concept

@uteriel282

8 ай бұрын

@@drpulcinella1870 most of the yugioh player base in general goes on a rampage the moment someone brings up points to make the game better. everybody knows in the back of their heads that the game is completely fucked up and broken but nobody realy dares to try and change anything. calling out the flaws in the game and presenting options to change things is treated as a hate crime in this community.

@drpulcinella1870

8 ай бұрын

@@uteriel282 that's because the current state is making the players them selfs the money as well as Konami. Hell where I'm from the Yu-Gi-Oh community gets kinda avoided by some people and some TCG communities cause they called "wanna be mobsters, gangsters and investment bankers" around here the damn game is a crypto scam. U float with the money or u drown under it

A solution I have is to force turn timers to restrict both players to having 1 minute and thirty seconds to play each individual turn, no more time allowed to combo or play additional cards

As both YGO and MtG player, the modern YGO feels like everybody is playing BlueWhiteBlack control deck and trying to be as obnoxious as possible to each other. NO FUN ALLOWED

I recently got pulled into YGO because a friend of mine was starved for a challenge (I have been in a similar position, so I figured I'd give it a try after he bought me Legacy of the Duelists: Link Evolution), and I absolutely hate the "meta" level of play. Every meta-competitive deck is designed entirely around preventing the opponent from doing anything on their first turn, and then killing them before they get a second. It's for this reason that we (me, my friend, and my brother who got caught in the crossfire) came up with an honor-system for how we play. 1: When we build a deck, we try to adhere as much to a Central archetype, or Two Central Archetypes that synergize together. 2: Generic Cards are allowed if they compliment the Central Archetype, or if the Archetype doesn't have enough cards to fill out an entire 40-card deck. 3: Negation is allowed, but only if it comes from a card within the Central Archetype. Otherwise, we don't put it in our decks. 4: No cards are considered Banned unless it completely removes an Archetype's counterplay, or otherwise makes a deck too difficult to deal with unless an unreasonable amount of resources are expended to do so (examples include: my brother's Amazoness Onslaught, and my friend's Time Thief Redoer are examples). 5: No one makes a Pendulum Deck (not because Pendulums are overpowered, but because they're are annoying). We don't really play much anymore, but when we did, this at least let most Duels last longer than a few rounds, every deck and even the more powerful Archetypes we used still had counterplay. The duels we've had were quite enjoyable, even on the losing side, because it was almost always a game of whose gimmick could get up to speed faster than the other, rather than throwing out a bunch of arbitrary roadblocks to prevent the opponent from getting past the starting line.

Brilliant fusion absolutely can’t come to 3 no. Giving any deck a foolish burial for a light monster an extra normal summon and a body on board for material is inherently broken. It will always be good and in fact only gets stronger over time

@SoftwareNeos

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@SoftwareNeos

Жыл бұрын

This video was actually made about 3 years ago. I kinda "remastered" it. So some cards dont add up now. But i hope that the points still stand

@kaison12205

Жыл бұрын

@@SoftwareNeos I mean I get your point. So which era is your favorite? Edison? DA? hat?

@SoftwareNeos

Жыл бұрын

​@@kaison12205 i thought hat was pretty cool. I know fire and ice hand were pains... but the amount of rank 4 toolbox that other decks could use was cool. But im a DDD player. My opinions are trash

Old school yugioh while it had it's broken cards you could still get through 5 or so turns. Hand traps are pretty BS on the count that negates were literally limited to TRAP cards and not just one of the 10 effects some of these modern monsters have, I find it funny some people complain that in the anime Ra had like 10 effects meanwhile they run decks with monster that have a handful of effects attached to them. Point though on hand traps is that they should be actual traps and not monsters, I get monsters will have effects but simple effects like same type stat boosting effects or a simple graveyard effect or even battle effects. But these modern cards seem to just have one of each tied to them. I'm scared to see how many 100page books all the current errata'd card text could fill cause it seems rare when you see an effect card with 2-3 sentences instead of a paragraph and a half. Magic does this better with Keywords (Reach, Hexproof, Death touch, Scry, Proliferate, incubate, etc.) and it's gameplay format easily puts these to a hard cap of once per turn as most of the time youd have to tap in order to use. And that's the other problem Yugioh has as there isn't much of a resource aside from discard, banish, pay LP, and tribute which means nothing in modern play as most effect monsters have little to no drawback aside from "that card cannot attack if summoned this way" or "with it's effects negated" and the second one being more rare other than that its special summon central into a combo play, magic is all tied to mana usage so your only limited to your mana pool size for the amount of actions you can take. Not to mention that their modern digital games ygo has the problem of forcing an in game download while MTG Arena once you update it then it's updated without no in game download. This last bit is a personal issue as I'm stuck in an area with satellite Internet being the only Internet option available so needless to say I'm.sticking with MTGA over Master Duel and Duel Links

@dudono1744

8 ай бұрын

Shooting Quasar Dragon is a fair omni negate boss monster. Sure it's technically a generic omni negate, but you gotta build your deck around getting it out (Quasar Turbo decks were a thing, also they weren't known to do much more than Quasar pass)

One other thing. Not everyone has unlimited funds to keep buying new cards every time a new set comes out and instantly all the cards you have bought are worthless now and your only option is to buy the new stuff. These cards can be expensive in bulk

@cobanus2862

7 ай бұрын

Then leave the game.. nobody plays anymore anyways.

@Nelex5000

4 ай бұрын

​@@cobanus2862trve

I've always thought archetypes like HERO, the eyes dragons and the dark magician and friends are the best types of archetypes. Massive umbrella archetypes like the HERO word while having developed sub-archetypes like elemental, destiny, evil etc. BLS, gaia, dark magicians, red eyes and blue eyes can all work together in some way in one deck or you can mix and match. Rose dragons work well in both dragon and plant decks. I could go on and on, but they have a solution, they just don't do it.

2024 Cards - Negate, Floodgates, Unaffected, Send opponent's Extra Deck to GY etc... 2025 Cards - Destroy opponent's Entire Deck & Extra Deck on turn one, you automatically win since you have $10,000 META Deck.

It's interesting to see how many of these issues extend beyond the realm of Yugioh. In Marvel Snap, the worst types of decks to go up against are combo and control. Combo decks test their opponent's ability to draw the out or lose, which is exacerbated by the game's lack of sideboarding. Control decks lock down the board to create non-deterministic situations where you are unable to play your cards. They're both two sides of the same coin, ultimately acting as games of solitaire where your ability to interact is limited to the tech cards you happened to splash in. You can't tech against every matchup, so invariably you'll face opponents that you already lost against before any cards are played. Where Snap handles balance better than Yugioh is with its ability to re-balance cards to re-shape the meta. Since they have much fewer cards than Yugioh and don't have to worry about the cost of re-printing, they can tweak the stats or even fully rework older and newer cards to keep as many of them viable as possible. This setup has allowed them to keep the entire card pool active with no banlist or formatting, with relative success. Powercreep of new cards is still a notable issue, particularly over the past few months, but their strategy of introducing a new card every week and making balance changes every other week helps to keep the meta from stagnating for too long. I think where Yugioh has the edge is with the greater variety and size of decks. Snap only has about a dozen archetypes with a coherent identity, with differences between decks being much more subtle. They don't have any of the pronounced gameplay gimmicks you might find in something like Dark World, Artifact, or The Weather, since each card is meant to stand more on its own, and 12-card decks don't allow for as much deck identity. I never mained a Yugioh deck, as my favorite aspect of the game back then was trying out all the archetypes and trying to fusion together new ones. I really liked how it always seemed like I had a chance to win regardless of which archetype I was using, so long as my opponent wasn't running some one-sided gimmick build like Exodia FTK or Chain Burn. One thing I do really like in Snap is that FTKs will always be impossible in it, since the win condition is based around a turn limit, rather than whenever the enemy's HP reaches 0.

@Sofware Neos: You rules change sound like rush duel to me, since they are no flood gate and no negated, and no miss the timming, but rush duel you have unlimited normal summoned still need to tributed for high level monster, but every time you start your turn you draw card untill you have 5 card in hand, if you already have 5 or more card in hand you still draw one card and their is no limited on how many card in hand you can have.

@SoftwareNeos

8 ай бұрын

Idk why they still havent given us rush duels

The only design change they can make that doesn't involve banning about 1500 straight up broken cards is to make extra deck hand traps, then you don't need to worry about drawing your out, you just need to worry about managing your outs.

It's true, YuGiOh in it's heyday was just so much better. Turns were shorter, how you played mattered more and it was FUN. Nowadays it's just fucking boring.

Used to like the game but it got way too fast to the point where it lasts two turns and is too combo dependent. I just switched to mtg and I like it so far.

@jorgecarvajal5385

7 ай бұрын

you could try, its aloot more complex but its like make a puzzle, just save your disruption card for that point for example the purreley is ez disrrupt if u use ash on the purple one that ofter it the first summon, and ashe for the magic, i like fast pacing

Boss monsters shouldn't be packed with counterspells and indestructible, rather they should be the final engine in the form of tempo or card advantage of that specific strategy. Another aspect of it is the balancing, if a strategy is good in one aspect it MUST present a tradeoff: being bad at other aspects, if not, the only way of developing / printing more cards is by powercreep. We already have omninegation/ interruption AND indestructible AND unafectable by effects inside a single monster, what's the next step?

@dudono1744

8 ай бұрын

A good boss monster should : • Not be insanely hard to summon so you can play the cool thing. • Do something while on the field so it's not just standing there (on summon effects work too, but less cool because after the summon u just have beater). • Have some protection/floating effect so your efforts to summon it don't go to waste.

@kasPWI

2 ай бұрын

That's why I like Balerdroch based zombie decks. Balerdroch is a solid boss monster, but it's also the only thing the deck has going for it unless you devolve the deck into a generic combo deck. But that aside balerdroch has a negate and a banish, inherently a stong card with strong effects. But the deck has multiple glaring weaknesses. Firstly, backrow removal can deal with zombie world and thus disable not only balerdrochs negate/banish, but also prevent it from returning from graveyard. Secondly, balerdroch has weak stats so it's easy to just beat over it. And if you have ways to lock down the graveyard or banish balerdroch, the deck is pretty much done. To me, Balerdroch presents a fun puzzle for the opponent on how to approach the board, rather than making an unkillable board with infinite negates. It's a light version of those combo decks with easy to exploit weaknesses. Zombies also do not have backrow removal at all inherently, so while the decl can screw with modern yugioh decks that just run mostly monsters, in older formats where people run more spells and traps it's actually weaker. No way to pop or negate backrow.

I would argue in favor of Super Polymerization - it only become a problem after release of Garura and Swamp Dragon. Before that it was basically an anime boss card from the end of GX, which was all about fusion boss monsters. was only good for generic enough decks, like e-heros and later Branded to a very limited use. Other Spell Speed 4 cards, yeah those are a clear sign of the problem and I expect a lot more of them in the future.

I play low tier decks like assault mode, ice barriers, and a personal felgrand deck and honestly it’s the traps that are situational that people don’t expect that wins me games or throwing them off with a deck they don’t see coming. Throw in the bandage cards and I could even have a little fun on master duel lol. Gladiator beast example is the one I disagree with cus they have more powerful cards and a wealth of weapons. The state of the modern game demands you use those weapons as you see fit given certain situations (this will work well if your playing against someone who isn’t playing a crazy toxic deck that hates interacting) I like the idea of more archetypes because they create opportunities to make a unique gimmick, the problem is only a few decks are good instead of the majority of decks are good. Love the video, I agree with most of it.

@Nizat_Darsam

6 күн бұрын

Another Ice Barrier enjoyer 🤝

Please tell me the name of the music you had playing in the background. it was sooooo good!!

@SoftwareNeos

4 ай бұрын

Which timestamp? Cause they are all different

@Justacheese

3 ай бұрын

@@SoftwareNeos The one at 7 minutes in, 14 minutes in 24 minutes in and the one at 28 minutes in. So a lot of the tracks in other words.

@Justacheese

3 ай бұрын

@@SoftwareNeos Btw, thanks a bunch for replying to me in the first place, since your whole vid is already a year old at this point. Didn't expect a reply at all.

Making so much sense manee great video

I just tried dual links, it all fine and dandy until I tried to dual higher level players.... An interesting thing I have encountered is that a player somehow emptied his deck and therefore I win, but the whole duration of the battle is just me trying to not be killed meanwhile he has his cacophony of summoning...

A game with so many powerful cards is certain to be volatile. Imo it's a matter of formatting and restricting the card pool. Keep the current format as "legacy" or whatever, but Konami could at least experiment with set rotation.

Old yugioh felt lile magic the gathering, I've played both at the time and just as in mtg there were stuff like combo, control, mill, midrange, toolbox and aggro decks. But modern yugioh seems like ecery deck is either combo or control while being a huge toolbox deck at the same time.

I agree with your point that you're just hoping you have negate to stop ur opponents stuff beating u but I think it could be more complete. Because hoping u have what u need to stop your opponent is partyl true of lots of card games but what breaks it in yugioh is the power of a given interaction. Like your opponent just wins instead of gaining some minor or moderate advantage they would in another game and that's why it's a problem not that the negation is lackluster

@SoftwareNeos

8 ай бұрын

This is why i would rather deal with maxx c than having stuff like Ash and nibiru in the game. I get it. Maxx C cant come back because whats gonna happen is that people are just gonna use it to draw more handtraps. Thats bad. But before those handtraps existing... at least my opponent just gets more of his deck to use against me. Rather than a Nibiru. Yugioh has been fast for like a decade. So a max C that determines the game is a better idea to me cause at least the other person just uses more of THEIR cards. Rather than random cards you put in your deck for defence.

@randombadchannel8700

5 ай бұрын

​@SoftwareNeos this is wrong on a huge amount of levels and a complete misunderstanding of card advantage. Aside of the fact that handtraps have been a thing since Kuriboh even if they didn't exist Max C gives the person using it an advantage for your opponent simply playing the game: and besides there are more then just handtraps that Max c can give a ton off stuff: extra combo starters, extenders, removal spells and way more stuff

I love going second since I play Odd eyes performapals but It sucks that I have to draw hand traps or triple tactics just to have a chance due to the massive amounts of negates

I quit back when xyz came along, shutting down a big asset to my Scorpion deck. I felt the first powercreep aspect that wasn't awful but made things far less strategic was having a larger and larger number of cards target ANYTHING. Along the lines of how much harder Monarchs were to deal with when Raiza and Caius came along to grant surefire answers and being the big body to keep pressure. Or the ol' strategies shift when Starlight Road came along, would Mobius target two cards? Are we SURE about that? I missed interactions with my opponent when I tried to play again(on steam), got steamrolled and locked out plenty of times. Sure I had the answer, but when used there was so many more triggers. I also miss when cards did ONE thing. Edit: Also, miss when Vennominaga was the only uber boss with no used answer. In turn was hard as hell to actually get into play without getting rolled over first. Now every boss is stronger than her and easier to play than Stardust during TeleDAD.

@streetgamer3452

7 ай бұрын

Scorpion has never been good. Ever.

@Nelex5000

4 ай бұрын

​@@streetgamer3452You are bringing no arguments whatsoever. lol. Ridiculous

23:02 Dark Magician is the perfect middle ground. Konami will probably never hit it, its fun and not overpowered, its a recognizable archetype that hasnt been forgotten, its got two card combos and various different playstyles depending on what cards go well with it (playing pure dm is almost impossible), and it gets gradually more support over the years

@tylerkeegan5615

8 ай бұрын

DM won’t get hit because it sucks lmfao

@Wortigon2000

8 ай бұрын

I have a pure DM deck in Master Duel, and it is pretty damn fun for sure. Dies really fast against a few specific archetypes, like Purrely, Floowandereeze, or you know... kinda dead againsta Chaos MAX, since most of DM's removal is either targeted, or a destruction effect, that 2 things that Chaos MAX is immune to. So to get over it, you'd have to either beat over it (Apprentice Illusion Magician came to bargain, or something from the extra deck, like an Accesscode Talker, or Quintet Magician. Or just some non-targeting non-destruction removal effect from the extra deck, that's possible as well. White Woman Jumpscre, as we like to call Goddess of the Underworld in Master Duel, that's always an option.) But it plays well against most archetypes. So Idon't see the problem with playing them pure. If anything, I find they're stronger that way, than when I mix them with branded stuff.

@dudono1744

8 ай бұрын

Why do I feel like you just described Drytron ?

@four-en-tee

8 ай бұрын

​@@dudono1744 Because he did. He described Sky Strikers too.

@johnbiff2664

8 ай бұрын

Too bad dm is piss and the main ways to play it include “a branded deck made worse by dm cards for no reason” and “backrow floodgate turbo” lol

I extremely LOVE the way you understand modern and discuss, criticize them accordingly. However, I think if you look at the Staples cards as an old Traps-Spells it would make sense again. For instance, Nibiru is simply and exactly like your video on Torrential Tribute: In opp's turn, you wait for their 5th summons and Clear Field Monsters or wait for his full combo and right before he enters Battle, Clear Them (You have to Determine if they have negates in middle of combo after 5). In another way, How would you defeat a 3k Blue-eyes on Opp's field without actually having any level 4 monster, you have to stall and draw Raigeki/Dark hole or Mirror force/Man eater bug, right? That's how Dark Ruler or Nibiru, Ash is intended for Spell/Trap in Yugioh to do: "Stop Strong boss monsters with 1". It's just Modern is too fast so We Can't Stall until we draw it, LP increase might help.. I hope. I also Love the Archetypes discussion that it should be a middle playground for like "Anime Archetypes Format" that the meta ceiling should be Latest Raidraptors, Phantom Knights, Predaplants, Salamangreat... so other anime decks like Dark Magician, Blue-eyes to follow with new supports and not just Tearlaments, Kashtira ceilings.

@SoftwareNeos

8 ай бұрын

My problems is that torrential can be baited or maneuvered around without causeing too much headache. For nibiru its either the opponent has a combo that negates it before it occurs... or they dont. Theres no middle ground. And when a combo is interrupted... now they dont even have a chance The thing with the blue eyes example is that A LOT OF CARDS can beat it and other monsters. I dont NEED rageki... i can use other monsters or spells or traps to get rid of stuff. My problem with dark ruler is that its needed to beat boards sometimes. And its not like it can be replaced with most cards to use against someone. And i agree everything is too fast. But thats a part of the problem. Not the main issue.

@dudono1744

8 ай бұрын

​@@SoftwareNeosThe issue you describe with drnm is a direct consequence of power creep. Due to cards needing to get more powerful, the difference between drawing a specific card and not drawing it increases over time, leading to "draw the out".

@IGNEUS1607

10 күн бұрын

​@@SoftwareNeoscan you not also bait Nibiru? Summon 5 times, then when you get the token, link off into your link-1 and there's full combo lol

Funny how you mentioned modifying the old cards, which is what I'm trying on deviantart XD I doubt it's even possible to completely balance the game, but at the very least it's possible to not break the weight.

@SoftwareNeos

22 күн бұрын

Ive actually tried this. It can be fun. Wished i had a printer to try them

I don't have an issue with generic cards, but i do when a third or half of the deck is generic cards and hand traps. Like make a deck, let's play 6 handtraps, 3 teraforming(i dont think you can have 3 terraforming but you can replace this with any similar generic card), 9 spell or trap cards that negate everything or make you have some kind of draw power. A poly card and an upstart. Thats 20 cards of your 40 card deck before you even get into making your archetype. Then like half the cards in an archetype probably wont be played cause they're not broken enough, and then you have at least 6-10 cards in your extra deck that are generic cards you need to win. your barroload dragon, your appaloosa, your barron de fluer, your IP, and so on. And if you decide you wanna deck with link or pendulums, you need generic link support too. That's modern Yu-Gi-Oh. Everyone is playing the same deck, but with slightly different variations cause thr rest of the cards are generic negates.

@randomprotag9329

8 ай бұрын

it really does not help that yugioh has no colour system. magic can have staples.dek but the colour stystem means that the deck has to be built specificly to do it and wizards don't like 5 colours being too easy

@streetgamer3452

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@randomprotag9329we do. It’s called types and attributes.

@streetgamer3452

7 ай бұрын

Omg bro. Have you just never actually touched Yugioh and are just parroting what you heard? Yugioh has always from the beginning had a problem with samey deckbuilding. Even worse when the game first came out. In fact, every card game does. Why? Because competitively you’re going to want to play the best build and that will more than likely make you play the same as others. Get knowledgeable of card games before ranting

@randomprotag9329

7 ай бұрын

@@streetgamer3452 When did he day that classic yugioh wasn't that also?

@streetgamer3452

7 ай бұрын

@@randomprotag9329 from the moment he commented this on a “why modern Yugioh sucks” video

22:30 - i was an og macro and then gb player from 2008~12 when i picked up gren maju/necroface builds (sarco was at 3)… quit for a few years, then i came back around like. . . . 2018 just casually playing on dueling book and i fell in love with metaphys… they could scrape out wins sometimes vs meta back then but by 2022. . . couldnt even play them for fun anymore, advantage engines just got too insane.

24:00 is spot on. Great examples: Tearlaments, Eldlich Control, Runick Stun, and Floowandereeze before the barrier statue ban.

I personally use a hand trap to open space enough for me to play 2-3 cards and pass the turn for a many multiple turn duel

@dudono1744

8 ай бұрын

I use handtraps both as disruptions and combo pieces. Normal summoning ash makes me smile ngl.

4:49 small thing that you didn’t point out here, most decks don’t lose to one or two hand traps, most decks have a backup plan. But I do see the scenario where the opponent draws 4 hand traps and ends your turn by using them to negate your effects

My singular issue with ygo modern is the time taken per turn to do stuff. More waiting than playing and its one sided boring to watch and sit through solitaire. You basically nailed it because I complain similarly about this solitaire problem. I despise combo decks because they are just boring to run and boring to watch others run

I agree with pretty much everything that you said. What is the point of even playing the game if your opponent can't even respond. I am glad that you and many others are seeing the glaring flaws with the game.

Really good video! Also, this is all worse being a Morphtronics player on Master duel, its so fucked

As a Vanguard player, i agree. We've had our reboots but each reboot brought newer aspects to the oldhead cards. I've played every format and to this very day, i feel they were COOKING LIKE A MF with V Format

@SoftwareNeos

8 ай бұрын

Oh... your gonna hate my potential video talking about Cardfight vanguard....

@tatsukinomiya

8 ай бұрын

@SoftwareNeos OH nah bro I know VG isn't at its best right now lmaooooo I'm ready to hear you talk your shit

@SoftwareNeos

8 ай бұрын

​@@tatsukinomiyaWORD???? Give me a month or 2 then. Ill cook something up

@tatsukinomiya

8 ай бұрын

@SoftwareNeos One thing I don't like about tcg communities is when they can't keep it transparent and voice their issues with it. Everyone want to act like their game is top sh1t and can NEEEEEVER do any wrong. That's garbage lmao word I'm reading to check the video once it's up and compare notes

Calling Handtraps Bandaids is an insult to Bandaids honestly.

@SoftwareNeos

3 ай бұрын

Damn

@youtubeuniversity3638

3 ай бұрын

@@SoftwareNeos Bandaids cover a wound and help to avoid infection while the body heals itself. Tell me, what infection are handtraps helping stop? What is the self-healing process of the game that handtraps are safeguarding from infection?

@N12015

2 ай бұрын

​@@youtubeuniversity3638Almost nothing. If anything, they are just forcing even more busted combos.

@youtubeuniversity3638

2 ай бұрын

@@N12015 So they are very much not Bandaids then.

You know what's worse than not letting the opponent play the game? Doing another duel and it MAYBE gets to Turn 3. Remember when Yugioh didnt make you worry about Kaijus, Pendulums, Links and Syncros? Yeah GX era was the best by leaps and bounds, instead of all these speedrun duels that literally prevents every part of the game

thing is its easy to fix. its just the "pro" players don't want this fix. make card effects COST some thing. be it some form of tokens (spell tokens or what ever). may be life points. then make it so strong monsters are from the extra deck MIST be played in the archetype its part of. don't make it free for all. this by it self fix most of the problems.

It hurts, but it's the truth. I got back into Yugioh after years of not playing, and I truly love the game, but all the problems just wear you down. It's not fun keeping up with modern yugioh. Sometimes it's not fun as a game either. As a collector, it's terrible because the secondary market is so volatile that it feels more like participating in a shitty stock market than actually building up a collection of value. I bought cases of Photon Hypernova and pulled the entire Kashtira deck and a Starlight Rare Ariseheart and I knew that it would just get devoured by the banlist and become absolutely worthless despite Yugioh being an "eternal" format style game.

happy to see arcana force in tier 6 on the chart I expected you not to mention them.

@SoftwareNeos

3 ай бұрын

Tried my best. But this vidso is akso technically from 2017... so theres more now

The yugioh meta is just buy the deck which has the most searches because invariably that's the tier 0 of the season. Drawing 3 ash blossoms when you go second doesn't mean anything if your opponent drew 4 searches into a card that can combo out a half decent board.

Yeah not really basing new support based on old nostalgia like normal monsters pretty much have to play bricks. I never really thought making same card but better like have actual effects of improving on effects

And this is why i love goat format.. and rush duels. And rush duels remind me of the better times of yu gi oh

Everyone knows the "jebaited" song but for Yu-Gi-Oh it would fit really well to have a "negated" song

I recently got really into Master Duels cuz I made a Mikanko deck after playing with Blue Eyes very cassually every now and then. I got into Master Rank and with all confident I can say that the current gamestate is shit. With Mikanko and Lava Golem, I can take away most "Negate everything" or "runaway and summon 5 monsters" cards but rarely get enough to otk. My most memorable matches are the ones that last more than 3 turns or when a Pro Solitare player uses his entire extra deck and 27 cards just for me sending it all away with Lava Golem and bouncing other cards back. I love the Mikanko archtype cuz at min you use 5 cards to set up instead of sending to the graveyard, synchro, link, xyz, draw, and repeat the cycle till you have apolusa, baronne, and that one synchro monster who negates everything on board. I lost my trail of thought but man, the game is shity

They run the same decks with the same moves in the same order. When I see Labyrinth, Tearlaments, Runick, Purely, Kashtira and Dark Magician decks, I immediately quit and start over. Every now and then you find a good opponent with an original deck and enough back and forth. Those are the duels that make it all worth it (win or lose).

I would come back if they made rule changes that only allow you to use x number of card effects per turn and you can only special summon x amount of times per turn but then they'd just make new cards that break those rules cause thats where yugioh has gone.....all the rules we once had have now got thousands of ways around those rules. Its a dumpster fire

Too many in-built negates. Too many invincible monsters and cards that just refuse your opponent from stopping them without a high cost to them. Too many combo extensions. Too many generic special summon requirements. Traps that can be used as quick-play Spells and circumventing their entire mechanic. Turning the Graveyard and Banishment into extra hands rather than limiting just how much interaction those zones were supposed to give players. One card deciding the entire match on turn one vs not having one card deciding the match on turn two. Allowing players to wombo-combo on the opponent's turn after already pulling a wombo-combo on their own turn. Konami killing off official physical formats (Speed Duel) or just refusing to bring them outside of Asia (Rush Duels.) And of course, Konami knowing that no matter how much worse they make the game, the whales will still pay the money needed to keep the game alive, making boycotting irrelevant.

@Trustdesert5124

4 күн бұрын

This is exactly how it feels right now. The only reason these “Meta” decks do well at all is because Konami has made them have an effect that can answer and stop basically anything you throw at them. Wonder why 5-10 snake-eyes decks top at every tournament these days. In a matter of months these decks have made 90% of other decks non-competitive.

Outside of all of these reasons, I believe that the reason the game sucks is simply because the community's TOO focused on what's competitive/meta to the point where if you play anything less you may as well be treated like a second-class citizen. In MTG for example you can play tribals, mono-colored mix of random cards, "archetypes" like the guilds, decks based on one mechanic (Amass my beloved), put in many Plainswalkers or even go bananas and make janky decks. And in all of these cases you probably wouldn't be deterred by the community for said choices outside of the competitive folks that can't fathom not spending 1000$ dollars on a piece of colorful cardboard. They also have many formats and the community even makes its own such as the popular Commander that eventually became an official format (I personally love Kitchen Table). Add in the fact that lore also can be a motive to pay attention and you got a very diverse community that tends to encourage different playstyles even if they're not necessarily good or optimal. And the competitive players/spikes tend to keep to their own spaces so everyone is happy. Then you go to YGO. Where if you don't have a bunch of interruptions you can't do anything, essentially forcing you to shove in cards you don't want not just because they're good but because they're borderline mandatory. Where people will ALWAYS discuss the meta making people who play for any other reason or in any other way tend to either be left out or even ridiculed. Where the best advice is to simply play something else because god forbid you like, say, knights based on gems and you'd want to play with them without adding too many cards outside of the archetype. YGO has other things that a person might like like the Anime or the archetype's lore yet they feel discouraged by both Konami and the community unless it's something extremely popular like Albaz or Sky Striker. The only saving grace is that the fanart is fantastic, but you don't need to play the card game to draw the characters.

But super poly is really cool concept of this unstoppable spell card that changes the flow of the game. But tbh anything else is annoying you should be able to respond like kaijus are irritating because you can't do anything

I feel like as of recently ygo has moved away from thousand negates end boards, and most decks have diverse ways of interactions, the first ones that come to my mind are rescue ace, vanquish soul and tearlament. These decks rely on different ways of interaction that arent just "negate this" and actually make you think about what do you activate and when

@ediblemandibles

8 ай бұрын

Mid-range decks started being the more dominant deck type yeeeeears ago. A lot of the "Modern YGO is just a billion negates" takes are way out of touch.

this is an insane video, thank you for making it. people need to wake up

Ngl, i agree with your points when i play "Master duels" i kinda meet, these type of sweats, mostly Kashtiras- why are everyone meta slaves? It's not, even fun when runick player, just decks you out.

I agree with this video heavily. I got into Yugioh again a few months back and im currently an RDA main. The game is insufferable if you're not going against a rogue deck. The same damn decks that do a million things that keep you from playing. Snake Eyes, Kash, Snake Eyes Rescue Eyes, etc. And i hate how RDA has to have 3 negates and destruction effects to be good, because thats not why i want to play. I want a game with someone. I want us to interact and outsmart each other. Granted, since RDA is rogue, it does mean i can have fun duels. I've had a ton of duels with other players that enjoyed because it felt like our resources were dwindling and we had to play smart in order to win. But its too little to matter. A majority of games end with me scooping. Rogue decks are some of my favorite decks to play and duel against. It feels like we can have a good board between us and we just fucking go at it. I feel like this is just rambling at this point, so ill work with it. Online yugioh is so much better because TCGs are too fucking expensive unless you're just collecting. Not just yugioh; it feels like every physical competetive game is too expensive. Uhhh, yeah. I love yugioh, but i also hate it.

@blueskyalchemist623

Ай бұрын

I can’t agree with you more. Except that Snake Eye hasn’t even been the worst to come. Gimmick Puppet FTK and Fiendsmith engine are coming to ruin the format even worse. Now OCG has entered Fiendsmith engine era, where literally every deck runs that thing.

Start the game from scratch, meaning reprint the first sets. But the cards are steel with embedded microchips and the game can now be played on a hologram table in some venue. Complete with full 3d models, attack/effect animations, shatter effects, and the lifepoints go dingdingdingdingding, ding. 1 pack = $50. You could relaunch the whole game in a fresh, exciting, definitely lucrative way and be blessed with the opportunity to not ruin it again by repeating the mistakes of the past.

I feel like konami is slowly addressing a lot of these issue, so far the most recent top decks aren't super negate focused, and I feel like at this point into the game we've reached a critical mass of handtraps that the problem of draw the out is slowly creeping away, furthermore with cards like havnis, arias, and the turn zero rescue ace monster, we are slowly speedcreeping the strength of blowout going second cards, or at least forcing the use of blowout going second cards to be more proactive. I do feel like negates and stopping the opponent from playing will always be a part of yugioh, but I think it's good that there are more varied forms of interruption these days as opposed to just negation. Then again a huge part of the fun in yugioh is swingy explosive turn ending and game ending plays. There at least has to be a certain degree of unfairness and one-sidedness to fulfil all our anime power fantasies of big combo, you fell right into my trap, my big robot/dragon/angel/cool anime character with a comically large weapon attacks you and kills you instantly.

In my opinion it was perfect at XYZ. After that, it got too fast and became the mix of solataire and rock paper scissors it is today

I would honestly begin with making set rotation and alternative formats a thing. Also, Konami needs to chill the F out with generic negates. Once I went against Morphtronics I was like: Yay!!! A new deck to go against with, and it was Baronne, Appolousa, and savage dragon all over again 🙄😒🤬🤦‍♂️

@jorgecarvajal5385

7 ай бұрын

are alternative formats, edison, goat are 2 of the most famous are one its call traditional u can use modern cards but the ban list is a little bit differnetm they are not ban but jsut limited to 1

trying to have an argument in Modern yugioh is just gonna get you be call "bad " "old" and "don't even play the game" is not worth it, just toxic on toxic. i give up a long time ago

FUNNY STORY i got into yugioh again and can only afford cheap cards so i play a flood gate deck. Honestly its stupid cause people get soo angry and rage quit after 1 round trying to get around my flood gates but in reality my deck has absolutely no way to win before turn like 20 or 30 and i know for a fact if they take it slow one card at a time I will lose every time with out fail but yugioh players now a days rather throw a tamtrun and just forfeit after one negate then play slowly... like legit my only ways to damage people are Jowgen and tiger king Wanghyu and nothing else... play it slow and you will win definetly. My board doesnt even survive after prob like 3 turns. I dint do it to be a toxic dick I do it cause im too slow mentally to keep up woth 100 miles an hour combo plays and i need my deck to be more simple to play it efficiently and want my opponent to slow down for once and just have back and forwards with me

The problem is cards that do too much for zero cost. Things became irredeemable with the introduction of Stardust Dragon, which is just the prototype for DPE. Powerful monsters floating back for no cost necessitated changing your style of play or else you would just lose. It meant forsaking back and forth and focusing on preventing your opponent from even being able to send out their powerful cards to prevent them from floating in the first place. It started a race to the bottom and resulted in what is modern yugioh where risk vs reward is non-existent and where people pretend a 2 turn game that lasts 40 minutes is somehow faster than a 30 turn game that lasts 20 minutes.

That's why I only play old formats and speed duel these days. Much more fun and cheaper

I got back into yu-gi-oh, and I have to say, it's speed duels that got me to have fun. It feels more balanced, but more importantly fun. Having a 3vs is stupid fun.