Modern GPU's - How serious a small problem can be |
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dude thats nuts. no other repair channel goes 10 layers into a pcb to salvage the card. props.
@Loveliss_Tech
Жыл бұрын
@@_-Montana-_ To be fair. NorthridgeFix, according to his videos has to repair a handful of whatever comes into his shop on a daily basis. He may be able to do more in depth repairs but chooses not to in order to get repair jobs in and out very quickly. He doesn't seem to lack for jobs so he can be picky what he works on. He's said many times that doing things like this repair or reballing chips isn't efficient for him because it takes too much time.
@Appri
Жыл бұрын
@@Loveliss_Tech Although this has gotten better lately, Alex from NF tends to be extremely arrogant and rude towards the customer. He also does some shady tactics to lure in customers, but whatever. He is also extremely skilled, so eh.
@zeroxception
Жыл бұрын
well thats becuase its not financially viable....unless you make money fro the video itself
@spenmac
Жыл бұрын
Kris, didnt. He only did it for a video.
@martinkesselaar9522
Жыл бұрын
Alex only fixes shorted caps and mosfets. Must be done quickly to make lots of money. And also plugging his website to let customers buy stuff. And yes, he can be rude sometimes. That's his choice. He is skillful but not as skillful as Kris.
Let's be real, this guy is very skillful. He goes deep into 12 layers of pcb, and managed to solder steadily. Plus it's free😭
@brianpratt2432
11 ай бұрын
I realize this was about two months ago but what do you mean he did that for free! He seriously did that for free? Whoever owns that card should have sent this man a couple hundred dollars for fixing it as a tip.
@sinancetinkaya
10 ай бұрын
@@brianpratt2432 yeah!
@noxious89123
10 ай бұрын
@@brianpratt2432 Because he will not warranty this repair, as it is highly likely that it will crack again and fail, if the card isn't handled / installed very delicately!
@mik310s
10 ай бұрын
Yeah this dude does some crazy repairs I wouldn't attempt this.
@pwnmeisterage
10 ай бұрын
He explains in the video. He no longer warrantees or accepts this sort of repair because the card becomes fragile after this kind of repair, installing it without great care will just damage the card again and put it back on the repair bench again. Identifying problems and rebuilding broken traces/pads deep inside a multi-layer PCB does require skill, and a certain temper. Anyone can learn how to solder "professionally" in about a week - not everyone can do this kind of detailed repair.
I didn't even think this kind of repair was possible, much less privately. I thought any kind of repair work that would just not be feasible to perform would have no instrumentation to support such workflow. I'm glad to have seen this amazing process and I'm no less amazed by the skill it requires. I mean, this looks like it requires VERY steady hands. Amazing, all of it!
@ChaosHusky
Жыл бұрын
It can be very difficult, especially on multilayer PCBs. There's often a way, especially with schematics, but with things like graphics cards they can be disturbed easily and break connections again! Single or dual sided is much easier, the times i've had to fix, glue and reconnect traces on abused electronics i lost count of lol
@RashakantBhattachana
Жыл бұрын
@@RanjakarPatel yes we are more strong 2 make fix. but he try his best his branes.
@KrisFixGermany
Жыл бұрын
@Ranjakar Patel Show me !
@christopheroverton6188
Жыл бұрын
Without KirsFix channel, I would've never attempted, let alone repaired my own 3080ti with the same issue. This channel, and TechCemetary taught me SOOOOOO much about GPU repair. Prior to these guys, I've only been able to do SMD diagnostic and repair. After, I've fixed PCB layer issues that I never would've been able to fix, nor wanted to fix in the past.
@Alex-tu5vu
Жыл бұрын
@@RanjakarPatel 😂🇩🇪👌
The reason for the pads not being ripped off on these boards is probably the use of soldermask defined pad technology (annoyingly shortened to SMD!), where the soldermask aperture size is negative in relation to the pad size, so that the hole in the solder mask is actually smaller than the copper pad underneath. This leaves a "ring" of soldermask defining the shape and size of the pad, rather than the normal process where there's a small gap between the pad and the soldermask. This is typically done on BGA & CSP footprints for exactly this reason: it helps mechanically secure the small pads to the PCB, making it more resistant to lifted pads from shocks and vibration. When there's damage it typically breaks the chip rather than the board, making repair possible. The downside is that it's harder to manufacture, which makes it more expensive, but in cases where the board is going to be (mis)handled a lot it makes sense to use this technology. Phones, for example, use it pretty much everywhere.
@81formann
Жыл бұрын
Ahh... Interesting info there. Thank you. nVidia should adopt this process immediately. It would give Huang an excuse to raise prices a bit more. Or we could start securing the GFX to the case, and then mount the motherboard onto the GFX.
@paulbrookfield4133
Жыл бұрын
That's genius. It's also something I can start doing at home with DIY etched boards and UV-cure solder... at least, I can start *trying* to intentionally do that :D
@pf100andahalf
Жыл бұрын
@@81formann Jensen doesn't need an excuse to raise prices. He just does it.
@ArtisChronicles
10 ай бұрын
@@81formann I like the idea of securing the card to the case somewhere to avoid these types of damages. Riser cables could come with cases or motherboards this way.
Your skill as a GPU Microsurgeon is truly impressive. Your work must require an immense amount of precision and expertise.
So, you don't only have amazing repair skills, but also a caring heart. Thank you on behalf of this customer and all of us for doing this repair. As you rightly say, it is impossible to warranty this type of repair. Obviously, you cannot run a business without getting paid for your work. So, I have made a small donation to your channel, and encourage others to do the same. Together, we can aid Kris-fix to repair some cards of this type without being out of pocket.
@PrefoX
10 ай бұрын
its to make money, hes a nice guy but it makes money. he wouldn't do it without the video
@iikatinggangsengii2471
10 ай бұрын
i like the logic happening here
This video should be on every builders watch list. GPU's are so big and chunky these days, it gives a false sense of indestructability. Great video.
@jasonriddell
Жыл бұрын
I have seen a LOT of warranty reject cards on fleebay with this EXACT damage "factory" service centers wont perform this level and crack = garbage
@Sharpless2
Жыл бұрын
@@jasonriddell Well yeah, because this is A LOT of work to fix a single card. A lot of work is a lot of time, and a lot of time spent working on a single card is a lot of wasted money. This level of repair can easily far exceed the worth of the card itself.
@lc3853
Жыл бұрын
@@Sharpless2 Well, first I'm going to set up a "dental technician fantasy bootcamp" to do all the grinding and gluing. Step 2, profit.
@ArtisChronicles
10 ай бұрын
I'm sure the added mass actually increases the rate of damage as opposed to decreases it.
I am an electrical engineer, I understand what you are doing, and you are a magician. That is insane! I thought I had some basic soldering skills myself (0.5mm Pitch SMD, bottom side Thermal Pads, all at home with cheapest equipment), but that is a level I would've thought impossible. You have my greatest respect!
@VeritasEtAequitas
5 ай бұрын
Can you do CPU pins too? That's tough. I can do outer or inner edges. I don't even bother with those in the middle of an area unless I can create a corridor be removing one on an edge
I am surprised that you only have 18k subscribers. You explain everything in great detail, you explain it so everyone can understand. The quality of the videos is great.
@raresamarandei7527
2 ай бұрын
just a matter of time my friend, just a matter of time. From 10k to 100k takes longer than from 100k to 1M. In 2 years it will exceed 1M subscribers. Give it a little time.
This type of repair is truly an art. I respect it very much.
This is like fixing a racing horse with broken leg. Insane work.
That is called Robotic Surgery :) Precision, experience and unmatched skils. Kris, you re so brilliant. Keep on !!
It's incredible what you can do with these repairs, Kris. I've been watching your channel for a while now, and I’m glad I found you. Your repairs are always thorough and exacting a consummate professional. I wish you the happiest holidays and the best in the coming year. Take care, and we’ll see you at the next repair.
@kleinfeicht
Жыл бұрын
The most disgusting thing is that a lot have far to few slot blends they use … totally rip off If you told me 10 years ago where we build into cases 500 watt gpus that weight around 10kilo on 2-3 slots i would laughed and said stop joking … they need to make better designs way more structure
You sir, are certainly raising the bar in regards to repair videos. Quite frankly you are putting the vast majority of them to shame. The level of persistence and professionalism is admirable.
One thought as to why the AMD boards might have stronger pad adhesion vs. the Nvidia ones is that AMD might be using BGA footprints that overlap the soldermask over the copper layer a bit. Overlapping the soldermask is apparently a common technique in smartphones to improve the mechanical strength of the BGA connection by using the soldermask to retain the copper. I think that you can see them doing this at 15:00. (edit: I looked at your most recent Asus 4090 video and it doesn't look like Nvidia is overlapping the soldermask on top of the BGA land, so this is probably a reasonable hypothesis as to what's retaining AMD pads better.)
@PrefoX
10 ай бұрын
you are right. and the comparison is not fair, Nvidias Ref boards the best of all. what gigabyte asus msi etc. do is on their own, AMD is not producing them at all. Nvidia has more advanved PCB which are necessary for the GDDR6x VRAM. he maybe don't know that but the conclusion was wrong.
@benjaminchung991
10 ай бұрын
@@PrefoX Well, this trick with the soldermask doesn't really affect the SI of the signal - you can absolutely still do it while still hitting the targets for GDDR6X and higher. It doesn't even change the cost of the PCB any - it's just a little attention to detail thing when doing footprint design that can improve durability.
Kris, thank you for being transparent and showing us how possible those repairs are, you are the man!
That's some crazy skill right there. Grinding all those layers, fixing deep broken traces and the card works! Mad props!!
Wow!! That is easily the most impressive GPU repair I have saw!!! Nice job!! I would have assumed that was an unrepairable board. Very nice!!!
Beautiful work. I enjoy watching others in the same industry. Get the job done with a chill vibe. Cant beat that.
Just sat here shaking my head in disbelief at the skill level here. You should have been a surgeon my man.
Your channel is an absolute pleasure to watch. Thank you for sharing your artwork and skill with us.
Thank you Theodor, this expertise is just insane. I try to do small repair work on simple devices, which are much bigger in comparison to graphics cards, and even then I struggle with small sized elements and soldering very delicately. Keep up the amazing work
My mind is blown 😮😮 thats some next level repair skills !!!!
i had been a mobile repairer, had to do some nasty jobs like this, but the level you go deep into the thing is just amazing, i never thought of going through 2nd or 3rd layer, gosh you have blown my mind totally.
Great work as always. I'm sure the reason they tend to fail after these types of repairs is because the crack still exists in the board, so it's structurally compromised. Any stress will go straight back to the repair area first. Solder mask isn't very strong stuff when compared to layered fiberglass and the mask doesn't get into the crack. Using a low viscosity epoxy resin with the assistance of a vacuum chamber would help in getting a strong material into the crack and restore some structural integrity. Normally this wouldn't be worthwhile however these types of failures have become so common, and the trend of big heavy coolers doesn't seem to be going away.
Hallo KrisFix und fröhliche Weihnachten :) Deine Arbeit ist unglaublich und wir wissen sie immer wieder aufs neue zu schätzen. Was Du leistest ist einfach Klasse. Beste Grüße und Danke für Deine Arbeit und die tollen Videos :)
Unbezahlbares Talent und der Mann macht es trotzdem gratis. Bravo!
Deine Arbeit belohnt dich mit dem Erfolg und zu wissen was man machen kann. Auch wenn das heutige Gewährleistungs system sowas fast nicht zulässt. Sehr befriedigend zu zu sehen. Du bist der beste Theodor. Ein frohes neues Jahr und merry chrismas.
Wow, ich hätte es niemals für möglich gehalten, dass man wirklich handwerklich an solchen Platinen arbeiten kann. Allergrößten Respekt dafür. Sehr beeindruckend anzuschauen.
@user-fr2fm3ri3w
Жыл бұрын
I am an electronic engineer and I’m mind mind blown
@dadrising6464
Жыл бұрын
Absolut irre. Er wär sichet auch ein guter Chirurg geworden. Ebenso fasziniert hat mich aber die Workstation..
@3333927
Жыл бұрын
Mit dem richtigen Werkzeug geht fast alles. Diese ganz kleinen SMDs habe ich bereits öfters schon als Jugendlicher gelötet - einmal einen damals sehr teuren 1GB DDR Ram, und ebenso meine 9800 GTX. Funktionieren bis heute noch. ;-)
You are a gpu repair magician . Incredible work
Are you for real bro? How on earth is this kind of a repair even possible. If anyone can't be positive after seeing a video like this, what will make them positive. NOTHING!! Your work is next level dude. It's like superhuman work.
This process was so cool to watch in detail! Thanks for uploading, I cant wait to see more from you soon.
Killin it man. I had no idea things like this were possible.
Amazing repair! You really went the extra mile on this one. Burrowing into a 10 layer board is well beyond what I can do, and it's a testament to an amazing level of skill and patience.
Kudos @Kris, it never hurts to remind people/public what a pro repair looks like.
Outstanding work. It is a joy watching you repair all those cards!!!
Ich muss ehrlich sagen, krasse Arbeit. Ich kann zwar auch elektronik reparieren, aber nicht auf so einem Level wie du, hätte gar nicht die Geduld dazu und das können.
Very impressive repair! I would not have thought it would be possible to repair that kind of damage
Amazing work! Great videos! To the point, clear, detailed, and masterful expertise. 10/10 channel
Super impressive! I love knowing there are still repair heroes like you out there!
Was eine Arbeit, natürlich kann man alles reparieren aber das ist schon nicht ohne gewesen. Frohe Weihnachten und guten Rutsch!:)
@KrisFixGermany
Жыл бұрын
guten Rutsch :)
This is just insane, thats truly a special skill and a lost art. Almost nobody can do such repairs in todays world. Great work!
@Steamrick
10 ай бұрын
Lost art? It was never an art. So many layers on a PCB is very much a modern tech thing.
@HuverUber
10 ай бұрын
@@Steamrick my statement was based on the fact, that he could repair such damage, that is lost art. Not the multilayered pcb.
Amazing to watch ... I can't even hold a cup of coffee without spilling. Incredible.
Watching you repair these is hypnotic! Excellent work, amazing skills and thankyou for sharing these repair videos. I really enjoy watchign them!
Did I really just see someone repair a 12 layer PCB with multiple cracks? 😮Anyone who has done something similar as a profession must be either ashamed or in awe of the repair. It's best to rename your company to JEDI-Repairs, that best conveys your skill. 😄 And you did it for free too, hopefully the customer appreciates it appropriately. I'm looking forward to many more interesting videos. 👍
This is absolutely stellar. Amazing video. No nonsense, straight to the point and excellent workmanship.
You are the best Kris, thank you for teaching us so much stuff. Happy new year from Argentina!
It’s quite common to sandwich data lines between ground plane layers to make them less susceptible to electromagnetic interference (ground acts as an EMI shield) which probably makes grinding even harder if you need to go deep into an eight or twelve layer PCB I suppose
@VeritasEtAequitas
5 ай бұрын
That's not at all how it works. It's about coupling, not shielding. If you go down the path of PCB design thinking it's shielded, you will create massive problems that other people will get paid well to fix. 😏
I follow many different repair channels and I must say this was hands down the most amazing repair I've ever seen; to go that far and manage to save the card was truly astonishing, bravo. You got yourself a new subscriber.
Love you channel Kris!!!! Looking forward to more videos! Thank you for doing this for this person this was very nice of you
thanks to der8auer i discovered your channel, now i can't wait to watch every repair you do, because of you i learned so much about traces, reballing, and generally how to fix a graphics card. thank you kris, thank you der8auer
Hi, I'm writing from Italy ... the work you do is incredible 🤩 ... I honestly didn't think it was possible to repair sophisticated components such as video cards ... I recently bought a zotac rtx 3080ti which was used to mine and if I need a repair in the future, I will certainly contact you 👍👋
Amazing repair that requires a lot of precise patient work! And it is amazing how manufacturers are routing so many traces at the edge of fragile PCB part (even under the screw pressure points) :/
@TheDoomerBlox
Жыл бұрын
Amazing, yes. You might even say - amazingly curious. :- )
Insane repair! Was really nice to watch, did not expect you had to go thru this much of work, i bet the guy owning the card will be a very happy person!
Thank you for all the videos !! Have a Happy New Year Kris !
i would love to see at the end of the video what it coast. By my self, i have the ''Inno3D Geforce RTX 2080 TI ichill Black'' and i send it 3 times to Inno3D, they replace the cooler, but the main problem is still there. Its cool at 55c on idle but its not the cooler, its the card for sure. You can start and run pc till the desktop but if you start something it shut down immediately, the temperature goes instantly over the 90c and it turns off, i also had random pixels all over the screen, glitches and i dont know all the names of this issues. The card has no longer guaranteed and nothing else, but Inno3D try to help anyway - im really thankfull for that. Now its way more over a half year without gaming for me.. i really hope you can help me. Thank you and Inno3D for your support and help! By the way, it was Inno3D, they told me about you, so here i am. Im from germany too, but i leave this comment in english. (sorry for my bad english) I really hope so much for help. I saw few videos of you and i really enjoy it too see how you repair. Greetings, Lukas
Incredible. I did not believe work like this was physically possible. I had some idea how complex modern GPUs were but seeing you go through the layers under a microscope was something else entirely. This is more than extreme proficiency with the tools and workpiece, this is artisan craftsmanship.
Absolutely mesmerizing camera work there!
Thank you for this inside view in repairing those complicated devices. You are a genius
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did that machine placing the ram ic show you both the PCB and the ram pads so you could align them for correct placement? If so, that's incredible!!!
@barevids
Жыл бұрын
yeah it did! Im so jealous lol!
Very lucky on those RAM chips, I thought for sure some pads would be MIA. Nice work. There does have to be a line you draw, unless money isn't an issue for the person but then if it weren't they'd probably just grab a new card. I think this is close to that line because the cost of this repair had to pretty high.
@Dandan-tg6tj
Жыл бұрын
It's not only this but imagine you do all the work perfectly and at the end of all that perfectly done work, the card still isn't working properly.
@goku445
Жыл бұрын
Most shops won't attempt repairs like this. Not worth the time. High risk little reward.
Wow amazing fix, patience of a saint, and the skill like none I've seen on youtube, congrats and happy new year.
Fantastic filming, great repair skills and a huge heart. May your generosity be rewarded tenfold.
Kris, what would likely cause damage to the memory modules like this? The physical bending of the card seperating the memory chip and the PCB causing electrical shorts?
@slowtrigger
Жыл бұрын
Maybe a bad technician tired to repair the card before Cris?
@siliconalleyelectronics187
Жыл бұрын
The same force that damaged the slot and bent the PCB would rip pads from the memory modules. This is why some manufacturers started using underfill on the memory chips closest to the slot, moving memory chips away from the slot area, and moving all BGA components in general away from the slot area.
@Federale570
Жыл бұрын
@@siliconalleyelectronics187 thanks for the comment, good info.
Just curious, if a PCB is beyond repairability, would it be possible to just wait for another card to come by with a dead core, and then switch the cores on both cards so you end up with one working card? Or can you not mix and match cores between different vendors. For example putting a working core of a ASUS 6900XT onto the PCB of an XFX 6900XT. Would be a nice Frankstein card if that works. It would feel like a waste if a card is thrown away because only the PCB is broken. The core is most valuable I would say, especially on modern card.
@jasonriddell
Жыл бұрын
that is what I was thinking and "revive" a dead core card with this being the "donor" I expect the core to be the same for every "AIB" as long as it is the same class of card IE 6900 and NOT 6950 OR LHR/NON LHR 3080 cards
I have never seen your channel before. This is AMAZING work! So intricate! I watched the entire video! Thank you so much for sharing this with us!
This repair is pure magic, very nice work.
What’s going on with bauers 4090? THAT is the video we want to see.
@KrisFixGermany
Жыл бұрын
He will make a video about it
Do you use some drugs to hold your hand that steady? Looks more complicated like an operation on the heart. ❤️👌
@stanimir4197
Жыл бұрын
Neurosurgeon steady hands, indeed... Some people just have them - easy to lose them as well.
This video was recomended by KZread and I am glad 😁. It was very interesting to see repairs inside board layers, thank you 😁👍.
Unfassbar! Der absolute Hammer, deine Reparaturen zu verfolgen. Schon sehr viel auf diesem Channel gelernt und weiterhin sehr interessiert am Thema. Danke für's Teilen 👍
I'm so glad KZread recommended you and Tony to me. This stuff is highly educating and fun to watch.
What have I just seen? This is immensely skilful. I didn't even know you could do such a repair - and I can totally see why you don't normally do that. Impressive. Subscribed!
Echt beeindruckende Arbeit! Danke für die spannenden Einblicken, dein Kanal wird selbstverständlich abonniert.
Thank you, Kris! You do amazing work and it's a true joy to see it! Happy holidays, my friend!
This is really good videos with advance repair .Glad you take the time to put these video together to show novice is like us .Happy holidays ,keep up the good work.
Man that is the most insane repair I have ever witnessed :D You are awesome
Wie immer ein super Video @KrisFix-Germany. Krass zu sehen was für Schäden an Grafikkarten tatsächlich zu reparieren sind, wenn man die nötigen Geräte, das KnowHow und vor allem die Skills hat, sowas abzuliefern! Sehr, sehr beeindruckend, wirklich. Und Du musst Dich denke ich nicht bei den Zuschauern bedanken. wir bedanken Uns bei Dir für solchen hochwertigen und professionellen Content! Ich wünsche Dir einen Guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr, alles Gute und bleib gesund 👍🏻🙏🏻
We thank you for your videos. Happy new year!
Excellent methodical repair, very impressive! Subscribed immediately, looking forward to the next one!
Amazing, and have a good and healthy new year! Thank you very much!
This is pure awesomeness. Thank you so much for these videos!
That's one hell of a repair. Never seen anything like it. Very good content keep up the excellent work!
Thank you for your master work! You are something special. Marry Christmas!
Magician man! Really impressive work!
You get a subscription for this one, I have watched a few of your videos, but this one really deserves a subscription. Keep up the great work.
Amazing work! Could watch your work for hours ;)
Appreciate your services man ❤
Brilliant repair, thanks for sharing!
Craziest GPU repair job I've ever watched
Amazing fix! I always wanted to see this done, thank you for the video and for everything you posted this year. Have a wonderful holiday and new year!
I recently stumbled upon your channel and have fallen in love with it. Love the board level repair. Hoping to learn to be able to this work for personal stuff
I am full of deepest admiration for people like you who can fix something like that!
You, sir are a legend. What is the re-work station you use? I have never seen one like that outside of a manufacturers shop. In any case, Merry Christmas and all the very best for the New Year. Love you videos.
Incredible stuff Kriss. Merry Christmas
Ive never seen anything that crazy before. You are very talented. Keep up the good work
This is the most detailed repair I’ve ever seen, didn’t think anything deep in the motherboard could be fixed. Kudos
That's the most proffesional repair I ever seen. Amazing. This repair, for me, looks impossible, even after I've watched it done. My deep respect.
your amazing been watching for a lil while, truely learning from yourself
I've never seen anyone come close to attempting this kind of multi-layer repair, and you make it look EASY. well done!