9 year old downclocked Tegra X1 is pretty impressive against 1 year old $1000 iPhone

@PumpedSmartass

18 күн бұрын

Well, iPhones are stronger almost since the first Switch cane out, but it’s just way too hard to get the maximum out of a device which got replaced each year

@diverman1023

17 күн бұрын

The generation of iphone that we had during the switch release was already better than the switch though

@Radek494

17 күн бұрын

@@diverman1023 on paper but not in gaming. Maybe iPhone 13 onwards if there's demanding games available for them

@anibalmax1981

17 күн бұрын

Also 3x more expensive

@Fusionade

17 күн бұрын

@@anibalmax1981Because it’s a phone. Switch only plays games. 3x the price makes sense when it gives you the features of a phone as well…

It's obvious that the iPhone 15 is much better, but honestly I'm very surprised at what some developers can do with the hardware of a $200 ~ $300 handheld that is almost 8 years old at this point.

@LockeLeon

19 күн бұрын

Even more impressive is what Nintendo can squeeze out of their hardware.

@sanji663

19 күн бұрын

Which is based on Nvidia's 900 series from 2014

@tazeem103

19 күн бұрын

Putting many AAA game developers to shame

@saivivekm.v2411

19 күн бұрын

It's not very well optimised. The potential of mobile phones is still to be explored. Sadly, there aren't many dedicated devs on the platform.

@indigo4438

19 күн бұрын

The fact that GTA is 20+ years old doesnt bother you?

The one thing nobody ever talks about, which I experienced so many times on mobile, is that gaming on mobile is a very temporary measure. You never really keep your software. I have dozens upon dozens of software that eventually simply dies on mobile, I.E. I paid for them and they just don't run anymore. And being digital only, your game only lives as long as the dev is willing to keep supporting it, and the next mobile upgrade and op system upgrade may likely kill it. On consoles, that isn't the case. I can guarantee if a console lasts 6-8 years, every game I bought for it, that isn't some live-service game will work. But on mobile, you don't know if it will be rendered unplayable in 2 or 3 years. It's a roll of the dice. One of the reasons people generally don't want to pay for mobile games. They're often disposable, so people would rather pay disposable prices for mobile stuff.

@lukaszkaszak

18 күн бұрын

Crys in Colin Mcrea Rally on Android 13

@SchewpidCheeseThief

17 күн бұрын

unfortunately, that reality is becoming true for all platforms, though I don't blame phones as they've always been digital only, I do home future consoles continue to keep a physical model for their consoles.

@akaimizu1

17 күн бұрын

@@SchewpidCheeseThief Yeah, but even on consoles that are all digital, it's way less of a roll of the dice, as long as they aren't always online live service games. You keep what you paid for, and as long as you have said console, or backwards compatible consoles with it, no matter how much they upgrade the underlying software system, you can still play your software on it.

@protocetid

17 күн бұрын

Another issue that would be resolved if we had AMD/Intel based smartphones running Linux or Windows.

@taylorstock6044

16 күн бұрын

@@protocetidYou don't even need that. Box86/64 has made a lot of progress over the years. Games aren't necessarily running at playable framerates now, and the set up needs to be simplified, but people have Windows games like Cyberpunk 2077 running on existing Android devices on ARM. I would rather see that than an x86 chip on a phone for efficiency reasons.

One of the main issue with playing on mobile phones is often the battery time.

@thedoomslayer108_YT

19 күн бұрын

You can leave the phone plugged with a fast charger and have a MagSafe cooler to reduce heat.

@Rocksteady72a

19 күн бұрын

Yeah, people out here talking about cost for some reason (you already have phones), but battery is the main drawback to playing games on my phone tbh. I need it for other things

@DBTHEPLUG

19 күн бұрын

Or getting burns from trying to hold the phone after 5 minutes of playtime.

@VariantAEC

19 күн бұрын

​@@Rocksteady72a Not as big an issue as it used to be on newer HW. I can play 720p60 games for 6+ hours and still have 4 hours of talk time battery (around 18-20 standby time) remaining. I can play Asphalt 9 Legends for 13 hours straight with the settings I use (not that I do but that is what the battery estimates and I can play for several hours over 3 days while using my phone for other things on a single charge).

@Xbob42

19 күн бұрын

Well, the Switch's battery life ain't so hot, either.

Everyone mentioning the cost is missing the point of the video, we know the iPhone costs more, its more to compare how well the switch is holding up compared to modern hardware and more than anything proves that phones are underutilised in the gaming space

@168original7

19 күн бұрын

Not really, they are sttill too weak for ps4 games. And most games look around where they are meant to be a bit better than switch.

@chidorirasenganz

19 күн бұрын

@@168original7not really

@huntertipton6197

19 күн бұрын

@@168original7did you not see the iPhone 15 running alien isolation, resident evil village and resident evil 4 in this video? They are literally ps4 games

@bulletpunch9317

19 күн бұрын

​@@168original7its weaker for sure at 4-5w total device power, but the soc can go 20+w when pushed, obviously not used by any games.

@MrSamPhoenix

19 күн бұрын

@@168original7it has to do with the fact that an iPhone is more geared for general use and has no active cooling. While the Nintendo Switch is razor focused on gaming with active cooling.

Terrified of Oliver's GMail notification count.

@MrSamPhoenix

19 күн бұрын

Indeed!

@VariantAEC

19 күн бұрын

Just when you thought your inbox was out of control.

@Microsoft_Dev_Win11

18 күн бұрын

Multiplayer is free in phone

@Mittzys

18 күн бұрын

mines at 23000

@Jean-jk4zv

18 күн бұрын

Worst than my gf 2000+

I am surprised the Switch wasn't completely wrecked, considering it's age and price. That said, I am super hyped for the Switch 2!

@Adamtendo_player_1

18 күн бұрын

You sound like the switch is like an Atari 2600. The switch can hold its own despite his age and I will defend the switch against the haters. I love my switch and it’s the best system on the market with the best variety of games and I’m only talking about it so don’t get it twisted about saying it’s the most powerful sister because I know it isn’t.

@SturmAH

18 күн бұрын

@@Adamtendo_player_1 My KZread channel is a Nintendo content channel. Safe to say, I’m not against the Switch, in fact it is my second favorite console after the GameCube. The point is, the Switch does run on mobile hardware from 2015 (the internal components are from 2015) so a brand new iPhone that cost 9.000dkk, over 4 times the Switch and has brand new components, you would think did better than it did against the Switch.

@hassosigbjoernson5738

18 күн бұрын

"I am surprised the Switch wasn't completely wrecked" Why would it? It runs optimized game code! Those mobile games are also available for much older phones and aren't optimized for this specific iPhone at all.

@alvallac2171

18 күн бұрын

*its (possessive pronoun) it's = contraction of "it is" or "it has" Apostrophes are for contractions and possessive nouns, not possessive pronouns.

@SturmAH

18 күн бұрын

@@alvallac2171 Tusind tak for at fortælle mig noget jeg allerede ved.

Will never do intense 3D gaming on my phone so long as it nukes my battery life and turns it into a heat plate.

@hassosigbjoernson5738

18 күн бұрын

Well ... gaming also nukes the battery of any handheld (Switch, Steam Deck, ROG Ally)! Solution: charging after playing. And those handhelds are also getting hot.

@RidwanGosal

18 күн бұрын

There are many gaming phones now that bypass the battery and charge directly from USB c port. That should alleviate the concern regarding battery longevity.

@no_misaki

18 күн бұрын

@@RidwanGosal And? Who wants to game tethered to a charger or a power bank when the whole point is portability? Be realistic

@rgb1996

18 күн бұрын

@@no_misaki play near a power socket anywhere in the world

@TakisEnjoyer

18 күн бұрын

​@@hassosigbjoernson5738honestly never experienced Switch getting hot during gaming, it works at such low clocks that the cooling there exist mostly for charging and docked modes

Mind blowing how mobile phones went from playing Snake on the old Nokia phones, to this.

@alarak2159

19 күн бұрын

The device is irrelevant - the technology however..

@DBTHEPLUG

19 күн бұрын

​@@alarak2159Okay?

@bubmario

19 күн бұрын

I remember reading an Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine years ago that talked about how RE4, when it launched back in 2004, was getting a port to mobile phones in japan. My younger brain was having a hard time fathoming how that could be a good experience, let alone a comparable one. Now we have that same game remade, released for every console but the Nintendo home console, and releasing day and date with the iPhone. Surreal.

@redring4083

18 күн бұрын

​@@bubmarioit still runs like crap on iPhone. Not to mention RE4 remake was ported to iPhone 9 months after it was released for consoles and PC. That is far from releasing "day and date" on the iPhone 😂😂😂😂

@bubmario

18 күн бұрын

@@redring4083 I didn't remember the exact day/date it realized, I thought it was the same, so my bad on the mixup. My ultimate point is the fact that it's close at all to current gen console performance is wild compared to where we were 20 years ago. But it doesn't seem like you are interested in any sort of meaningful conversation, so I'll just leave it at that.

“The Nintendo Switch is showing its age” dude… it’s been showing its age since it was released. Every game ever released for it has been a miracle of optimization and programming expertise

@justanotherartist5646

18 күн бұрын

It hasn't been showing its age "since its release", that's outright wrong. It was the most powerful or at least one of the most powerful handheld gaming device of its time. No matter how others tried to shift the narrative. It was compared to strictly home consoles which makes sense given its hybrid nature, but that ignores the limitations it needed for cost efficiency as well.

@zultriova89

16 күн бұрын

Tegra X1 actually newest Tegra line back in 2015 and also cutting edge at that time.. but it heavily underclocked because they not mean to running on battery at first place..

@xscreamxperiencex

13 күн бұрын

​@@justanotherartist5646 when switch came out there were already more powerful qualcomm soc in cpu and gpu, simply nintendo made miracles optimizing everything for games that is what switch is for, a phone does not focus on that less in those years, it is the same behavior of console and pc with similar hardware the console performs better because they optimize exclusively for games with a fixed hardware and with an API only for that, while pc is to do more things and with many different configurations and windows does not help by reducing performance.

For future reference, I would really appreciate it if you guys also compared thermals and, above all, battery life.

Gotta say Grid is such a classic. I really really enjoy the driving in that game. Always loved the physics/ destructible objects as well.

@ThatSavoieDude

17 күн бұрын

I like how you can adjust the settings to make it more or less sim feeling

The docked segment is just full of holes. Shortcuts exist and so do focus modes. Set an automation to turn on a gaming specific focus whenever an external display is connected and you can then fine tune which notifications show banners and which don't. Also the entire iOS system can be controlled with a controller. Double tapping the guide button to go home and so on and so forth all work and allow you to control the device with the controller. Also depending on the setup, a genki style dock will have everything available with one usb c cable.

Switch Tegra X1 are from 2015 & it's downclock CPU GPU RAM frequency from standard + disabled 4x A53 CPU. But with this limitations, Switch can manage many AAA ports amazingly ❤. NVN API is the secret sauce for Switch

@PhoenixKeebs

18 күн бұрын

Well actually all switch models were updated to the Tegra X1+ in 2019. Which is slightly more powerful and energy efficient.

@TakisEnjoyer

18 күн бұрын

​@@PhoenixKeebsit is more powerful bc it can hit higher clocks, but Nintendo never used it so they could improve battery life, so realistically performance is still the same

@zultriova89

16 күн бұрын

​@@PhoenixKeebsthey more efficient than older chip but thats all about it, no real performance upgrade like 3DS to New3DS with 2X performance than older model.

@codezero7981

5 күн бұрын

Nintendo should have used Pascal instead of Maxwell architecture because it's more power efficient and more future proof, which would've made the system have a better lifespan in terms of porting more third party games on the system to make them run decently.

@zultriova89

4 күн бұрын

@@codezero7981 there is no pascal when Nintendo and Nvidia making Switch prototype.. You should know the final hardware already finish back in 2016 and ready to enter production and games already made for it.. They should wait but the situation not really good after WiiU flop and 3DS already slowdown in sales.. but in the end, Switch still save Nintendo..

The amount of notifications on your phone are insane. LMAO

@benjaminabel

14 күн бұрын

56k unread emails are giving me severe anxiety.

I would have loved to see a battery comparison!

If games like Zelda totk run on switch then I don't know why Apple or Samsung haven't thought about getting a developer to make an exclusive game on their platforms.

@noa670

19 күн бұрын

Apple doesn't care about gaming

@thisguyrighthere8502

18 күн бұрын

@@noa670 Well they do since they are pushing new iPhones as gaming devices. They already have Re4, Death stranding, the gta trilogy and more.

@xtr.7662

18 күн бұрын

​@@thisguyrighthere8502they dont its just a test ground

@redring4083

18 күн бұрын

​@@thisguyrighthere8502they are pushing it as a gimmick. They have nothing revolutionary to show for so they threw in a couple of games for their overpriced crap.

@NL0Gwenster

18 күн бұрын

This. Our current phones are more powerful than the Switch is, yet 99,9% of the games on my phones are just crap games as they are just too basic. "AFK" games where things happen automatically (how is this gaming, rather have my phone play music in the background instead if i don't game?) "match 3" type games, or tower defense, etc. Genshin impact was the first game that was an "actual game" (TM) to me. For all intents and purposes, that's the Breath of the Wild of mobile phones. PUBG had a great port too, despite the control limitations. But i wasn't into that type of game. We really need a proper gaming focus on mobile. I have a Samsung Fold 5. If I could get actual proper games on that ? I wouldn't need a Switch or Vita.

I love playing Wreckfest on my Odin 2 Android handheld, no problems with overheating as it has active cooling and it's much cheaper than an iPhone

The Nintendo Switch is such an outdated (even during its launch) machine. I wish Nintendo would go back to SNES or N64 era when their hardware was actually good.

Is this even a comparison? The Switch is a handheld from 2017 with hardware from 2015. I think it should be Steam Deck vs iPhone 15 Pro or iPad Pro.

Nintendos SOC is over a decade oold and costs a 1/4 of the iPhone. The fact that a 10% - 70% improvement in performance at the cost of resolution on iPhone for 400% the cost makes this comparrison show the tremendous value of a switch. Not to mention you will be paying even more for a contoller on iPhone.

@biglevian

19 күн бұрын

The question is more: Do you already have an iPhone and consider buying a switch or are you deciding which one you buy for gaming?

@chengong388

19 күн бұрын

Did you even watch the video? It’s over twice the performance at a third the power. Or 500% performance per watt, of course the 400% price is more than justified.

@goofygoober875

19 күн бұрын

does the switch have best in class display, best in class camera, faster charging, better speakers and a metal body? can it make a phone call?

@Skylancer727

19 күн бұрын

Who cares about the price? I say that because everyone already carries a phone and in the US more than half use an iPhone like this one. So you already own the phone, so the Switch is an added cost the phone is not. Only exception are for people who rarely upgrade or kids.

@ThinkTinkh

19 күн бұрын

Switch SoC is 9 years old

Crazy how far phones and mobile gaming have come. Not surprised a $1000+ flagship smartphone outperforms an old sub $300 handheld though. Hyped for switch 2 and some new "impossible ports"!

@Microsoft_Dev_Win11

18 күн бұрын

Multiplayer is free on phone Nintendo charge subscription

@Takisgr07

18 күн бұрын

@@Microsoft_Dev_Win11 you cant be real xD

@bitelaserkhalif

14 күн бұрын

​@@Microsoft_Dev_Win11to some extent you are right But Fortnite Apex on NS don't need NSO

Were you get the wallpaper for the iPhone?

How do they compare to the Steam deck or a high end Android phone?

A17 Pro cores has no names. Everest and Sawtooth are names of A16 Bionic.

I hope you guys can showcase the current stage of Android mobile PC emulation. Apps like Mobox Wow64, running Cyberpunk 2077 natively on a phone. Snapdragon 8 gen 3 is currently the fastest emulation capable cpu right now. Still on its early stages but very promising!

Is there really a noticeable difference in input lag when using usb c vs wireless on iphone ? Gamesir g8 claimed to have low input lag

Does iOS not support "stay awake" mode, or controlling the main menus with a controller? That's as weird as hearing that you have to use weird workarounds to lock to landscape rotation.

You are wrong at one point, you can disable HDR when you connect iPhone to TV/Monitor. Settings - Display - On the bottom you have name of the TV/Monitor you connected and there you can switch to SDR. Also with notifications problem, I have game focus mode automatically turn on when I connect controller to phone. In this focus mode I have most notifications disabled so I don’t have any distraction when I’m gaming :)

@bowlingdoughnutsmd3703

18 күн бұрын

I just made a comment about using focus modes, but I always have mine set to external display. A focus mode tied to a controller is a much better idea.

IPhone vs Steam Deck

@MrSamPhoenix

19 күн бұрын

It wouldn’t be fair. Gaming systems like the Steam Deck are razor focused on gaming and have active cooling.

@JwFu

19 күн бұрын

@@MrSamPhoenix and some phones have active cooling as well.....

@wraithhe

19 күн бұрын

Obviously the steam deck man

@voicedjohn

19 күн бұрын

@@wraithhe I know 🙃

@coffee7180

19 күн бұрын

@@MrSamPhoenix you can use the steam deck as a second PC option or even a console, giving it a lot of Valeur for the money..

I'm surprised you didn't take the Nvidia Shield TV and also use that to compare to the iPhone as well. That way you can test even more graphically intense games like Genshin Impact. Some older console ports of games to iOS have some odd limitations resolution or settings wise and sometimes I wish they were updated again. So yes the iPhone 15 pro is more powerful but you can even go back to the iPhone X and still have a more powerful phone. The Ayn Odin 2 would also be an interesting comparison thanks to it's traditional handheld experience.

One thing I'm curious about is battery life on the iphone when you're running these games at full blast. My limited experience with big 3D games on my phones is that impressive performance is possible, but only if I'm willing to play with less than an hour of battery life. How long can you get with these games on iphone?

Just set up a "Gaming" Focus in iOS to remove all notifications and other distractrions while gaming.

@bulletpunch9317

18 күн бұрын

Yes but then you miss out on important stuff too?

@connor9568

17 күн бұрын

@@bulletpunch9317I have no friends

@boshi9

16 күн бұрын

@@bulletpunch9317 You can configure it to whitelist or blacklist notifications from specific apps, contacts, etc. Say, while the "Gaming" focus is enabled, let my close friends and family reach me at any time, but no notifications from random apps, unknown numbers, etc.

It’s a fun comparison. Ultimately though, there are some beautiful games on Switch. If a game doesn’t look good on Switch, then the project is either too ambitious, not optimized, or just isn’t the kind of game that Switch excels at. We’re long past the point where game graphics have been “good enough.”

@xtr.7662

18 күн бұрын

No graphics have looked good enough only now by the end of the ps4 gen with games like tlou2 before that nah

@PogueSquadron

18 күн бұрын

@@xtr.7662 TLOU2 is your bar for “oh good, games finally look good enough”? That seems a bit much.

@xtr.7662

18 күн бұрын

@@PogueSquadron no its a ps4 game thats not much

As these games are quite old, I would have liked to see Disney Speedstorm comparison as it is on both devices and vastly newer game.

Fascinating. These are the best types of videos and Oliver is simply brilliant. He and Tom should be the front men from now on.

I think it’s interesting that the performance is relatively close even though the A17 Pro SoC is miles ahead of the Tegra in the Switch in every metric with twice the memory. But it’s obvious the reason why performance is so close is because the A17 Pro is passively cooled and cannot sustain max loads that would be possible if it had a fan cooling solution.

@bulletpunch9317

18 күн бұрын

A17 pro is so much more efficient that it should have twice the perf as the docked switch even at 4w, looking at benchmarks on android running switch vs a17 pro.

@VectorGaming4080

18 күн бұрын

@@bulletpunch9317 Even if Apple allowed it to boost wattage/voltage/clock speeds to blast past the Switch, the lack of a fan in the iPhone means it wouldn’t really make a difference. Cooling is so important for gaming and it’s why the Steam Deck, with its much weaker CPU and similar GPU to the A17 Pro is able to play games like RE4 Remake at higher resolutions and with better visuals. So, for the time being, dedicated gaming handhelds will always have a place for enthusiasts who want their handheld to have the best performance possible without throttling. I’m really hoping the new M4 iPad Pros with their copper heat sync, better chip efficiency, and much larger body are able to blast past even the best handheld PCs in playing games that are on iPadOS currently.

Honestly, I feel the wrong conclusion was made here. Primarily considering the actual nature of the hardware. Switch is behind iPhone, duh. But the fact that it can get within striking distance framerate aside in most causes does show that TX1's GPU is putting in a lot of work versus the modern iPhone GPUs (Benefits of a full desktop feature stack and a lot of low-level optimization which iPhone lacks and only scratches the surface of with its GPU). The Achilles heel of Switch is the CPU. The 4 A57 CPU cores are ancient versus the Ryzen-Relative performance of the A16 Pro CPU cores. And unlike NVIDIA's long-lasting Maxwell/Pascal Architecture, the A57s have not aged anywhere near as gracefully. And well, you're paying for that increased CPU performance (and more modern GPU featureset regarding HWRT and Mesh Shading) as an iPhone 15 Pro is many times more expensive than a Switch.

@raymondrached6301

19 күн бұрын

yeah i would feel the iphone should obliterate the switch even if it is smaller and passively cooled but instead its barely better than it. even taking into consideration that its not a gaming first platform the hardware is unfathomably better than the switch that it still shouldn't matter.

@goofygoober875

19 күн бұрын

the iphone has better build quality, a best in class display, a best in class camera, better battery life, can make calls, has q native twitter app, and you can get is essentially for free with a phone plan. You don't buy an iphone to play games either, you get a pretty solid gameplay experience as a bonus on your daily driver. the point of this video isn't to dunk on the switch, it's to provide a reference point for what the switch 2 needs to shoot for.

@Alovon

19 күн бұрын

​@@goofygoober875 Eh, I feel that is a bit of a misnomer and undervaluing the Switch 2's target. Switch 2 should be (and based on recent leaks, very much seems like it is) targeting Series S docked. Primarily for best chance of getting cross-platform support.

@nullgator8073

19 күн бұрын

the majority of switch games are memory limited not cpu limited.

@leonro

19 күн бұрын

​@@raymondrached6301Passive cooling within s small footprint generally ruins performance on any SoC, so I wasn't surprised.

That it's even close is astounding in and of itself.

Would love to see some 120hz iPhone/Android games tested!

The Tegra X1 had a GPU that was better than pretty much every mobile GPU at the time. It had a feature set of desktop Maxwell and performance in FP32 rivaled the iPhone X. So idk why people are saying “midrange smartphone.” The X1 was pretty much the best chip Nintendo could have chosen at the time.

@seroreal

19 күн бұрын

People thought Nintendo would use the X2 rather than the X1. Maybe that‘s why people were disappointed.

@Elchinodawn

19 күн бұрын

​@@serorealX2 was released in 2018

@VariantAEC

19 күн бұрын

​@@Elchinodawn Nintendo should've waited.

@VariantAEC

19 күн бұрын

The Switch was comparable to the Samsung Galaxy S8, which was released 1 month after the Nintendo Switch. I've shown The S8 running Alien; Isolation and GRID: Autosport at 30FPS. Unfortunately, Alien: Isolation doesn't support Android 9, so there are graphics issues later in the game on the S8, but it runs about as well as on Switch despite not being officially supported.

@leonro

19 күн бұрын

​​@@VariantAECWait while doing what? The Wii U was dead, the 3DS was dying. There is no reason to wait a little more in order to use better tech, because tech improves every single year. There was also zero competition in the handheld space, so they didn't have to worry about a competitor coming out with the X2 and undercutting them either. Let's be realistic here, Nvidia and Nintendo struck a deal that allowed Nintendo to use very performant SoCs for cheap. The Switch probably couldn't have been $300 with the X2 either. Also, you cannot compare smartphone games to Switch games without acknowledging frame rate. Smartphone GPUs are weak, while their CPUs are generally stronger than the Switch's. This means that you could run any Switch game on such a smartphone with similar performance, but you need lower the resolution a lot. I doubt that the mobile games you mentioned were running at the Switch's resolution.

Very interesting video, incredible how far passively-cooled mobile tech has come

@cromefire_

19 күн бұрын

Or more how bad a switch actually is. No wonder with a like 8 year old processor that's so cheap that Nintendo still makes money at insanely discounted prices. I mean you can actually emulate many switch games on many Android phones...

@NickdeBey

19 күн бұрын

@@cromefire_both things can be true. Regardless of how you feel about Apple, they are the current frontrunners of the mobile silicon industry and they’re light years ahead of others

@vincenzocasale99

19 күн бұрын

Android devices with 8 gen 3 and a proper cooling system can do way better than iPhones, but developers don't want to strain themselves on such a fragmented platform with so many different components

@cromefire_

19 күн бұрын

@@NickdeBey Not really... Yeah they have the advantage of TSMC 3nm that literally no one else gets to have but otherwise most modern phone SoCs are quite powerful. The largest thing Android phones have to fight with in gaming is that the graphics drivers for most SoCs are absolute garbage (henceforth projects like Mesa's Tulip driver), the hardware isn't too far behind. That's exactly why Apple is pushing this hard, as they know that they can't slip up or their advantage they got from TSMC is immediately gone. That's why they play the walled garden games as hard as they are, because their competition is never more than one step behind.

@crestofhonor2349

19 күн бұрын

@@NickdeBey Snapdragon has them beat in GPU performance

3:55 no way You cut that jump 😂

@MetalJesusRocks

16 күн бұрын

That was a total Crazy Taxi moment! 😂

@uglify1325

7 күн бұрын

​@@MetalJesusRockswhat are you doing here?!

BTW, did you use the original GTA releases on ios or the netflix versions which had more up to date code. it's awkward way it's done but the "next gen' versions of it were a netflix deal on their games store so the most up to date apps are those editions.

$299 2017 hardware vs $1000 2024 hardware, It would be embarrassing if iPhone didn't do better lol

@zultriova89

16 күн бұрын

thats the summary of it.. if they not atleast 2X the performance then you paying to much for small upgrade.

And then after you're done gaming you have a nice hand warmer to keep you toasty 😅 Im curious what the battery life when playing higher end 3d games is like though

@Microsoft_Dev_Win11

18 күн бұрын

Even Xbox 360 better graphics than $1000 iPhone

@cheerful_crop_circle

9 күн бұрын

​@@Manue_12you are cute

What about iPhone 15 Pro vs ROG Ally or steam deck? Sadly games aren’t as compatible, but would love to see a comparison if possible.

@C0haagen

18 күн бұрын

Yeah, I'd also love to see an iOS comparison (iPhone 15 Pro Max + iPad M1/M2/M4) with Steam Deck + ROG Ally in the most demanding iOS games (f.e. Resident Evil 4 + Village, AC Mirage, Death Stranding?) including battery life.

Nice to see tech evolving but 2 words that needed to be in this comparison: heat management.

Can you show emulation on latest Snapdragons?

@BurritoKingdom

19 күн бұрын

John and Oliver are the only ones interested in using mobile devices as game consoles and they both have Apple devices. Rich is only interested in portable PC handhelds and Alex is only interested in the PC. That only leaves Tom and he seems to do whatever is leftover when the others are too busy

I wonder when iPhone games will start using Ray Tracing and Mesh Shaders.

@ThinkTinkh

19 күн бұрын

Some already do🙄

@BurritoKingdom

19 күн бұрын

@@ThinkTinkh not mesh shaders. There are currently only 3 games that use Mesh/Primitive Shaders Avatar, Alan Wake 2 and FF7REBIRTH. None of those games have been released on iPhone. Resident Evil 4 and 8 on iPhone have Ray Tracing disabled. The only app that seems to use Ray Tracing on iPhone is 3DMark Solar Bay Benchmark.

@luqnotperfect

19 күн бұрын

there are a couple out there

@xtr.7662

18 күн бұрын

​@@ThinkTinkhnone do

@xtr.7662

18 күн бұрын

5 years at least

In settings/accessibility/motion/ there is a dedicated option to limit the framerate to 60Hz without the need for low power mode.

Great vid, thanks

Obviously, recent flagship hardware with a whopping price tag of about 1000$ will outperform 9 years old hardware whose point was never to be the most high-end device, but more to be practical and affordable. If there is one thing that Nintendo proved again masterfully with the Switch is that you can develop great games from so-called out-dated or subpar hardware. It's Gunpei Yokoi's lateral thinking to a T. I really like that limited hardware forces developers to push the limits of software development because this also benefits higher specced hardware.

@thesulo12

18 күн бұрын

yeah at the expense of looking like absolute shit while still having bad performance

@zultriova89

16 күн бұрын

​@@thesulo12 like you spend literally $200 for handheld and expecting it to run like $600 device.

It would be awesome to see all those impressive ports moved to iPhone. Both Dooms, Hogwarts Legacy, Metro Redux, Dying Light. So many games that could easily run on iPhone.

@mechanicalmonk2020

19 күн бұрын

The hardware has never been the blocker for gaming in Apple's ecosystem

@goofygoober875

19 күн бұрын

you can't play atmospheric games like metro on such a small screen. Like you CAN, but come on, you're doing a disservice to the game

@saintsalieri

19 күн бұрын

@@goofygoober875 It's such a sadness.

@NothingHereForYou

19 күн бұрын

@@goofygoober875 yea like Witcher on the switch, kinda. I’m thinking more for replaying through games. Honestly though I had a pretty immersive experience with headphones and my switch inches away from my face when replaying Metro.

@tacojohnellenich

19 күн бұрын

Not to mention potentially playable on iPad and a more powerful AppleTV as they’re all based on iOS, so I’m assuming not much work required by the developer to get their games running on many Apple platforms if they take the time to do the ports.

What handheld controller for the iphone was that?

Yo lo uso con un dualsense con un adaptador para el movil, es esto mejor que un mando acoplable?? , perderia la vibracion creo

Hats of to Nintendo switch optimizations

now a graphical comparison of an unlocked and overclocked switch to see the difference.

@gohin14

19 күн бұрын

True!

@Alexthereek-ob7vt

18 күн бұрын

overclocked switch user here, My switch easily runs 60fps on grid autosport and *turns into a heater at* 28-60 fps on arkhum knight 1080p (lowest when driving to most indoor areas)

@bulletpunch9317

18 күн бұрын

​@@Alexthereek-ob7vtreally? Naga with 2.7/1.5/3ghz oc on cpu/gpu/mem and 8gb ram upgrade was mostly in the 30s in arkham knight 1080p

@Alexthereek-ob7vt

18 күн бұрын

@bulletpunch9317 maybe he tested the most demanding parts like driving

@bulletpunch9317

18 күн бұрын

@@Alexthereek-ob7vt yeah, but i thought 40 was the lowest you got in the most demanding area

Minecraft is one of the best games to test on both because it’s the same game and you can change settings

Never thought a phone would be a gaming device, but here we are lol

I HECCING LOVE DIGITAL FOUNDRY MOBILE HARDWARE VIDEOS!!!

The key difference between an iphone and a switch is the cost, the tradeoff in visuals on switch is worth it if you only get a couple hours out of your phone apposed to a switch aswell. Can't help but remain impressed with how far the switch has come over the years and managed to pull off some amazing feats with such hard limitations

@Deliveredmean42

19 күн бұрын

Then again, if you remove all of the phone features and just make it a dedicated game device, with cooling, a controller built in or detachable, for an ARM device will be excellent at around 600 dollars, probably 500 if you remove the apple brand tax heh. But sadly that's not gonna happen.

@crestofhonor2349

19 күн бұрын

You should check out the Ayn Odin for $300 then

@MatchStickMad

19 күн бұрын

Goes to show you don't need to upgrade every 6 months. Apple.

@Adamtendo_player_1

18 күн бұрын

The thing is, the switch was pretty powerful when it launched in 2017 and wow it’s showing its age. I still think it’s a capable system. Just look at kingdom come deliverance yes there are compromises to be expected as it’s a portable system and it but you could never see the Vita pulling this off. The switch continues to be a mini Marvel and I continue to be amazed by the Nintendo Switch.

@Deliveredmean42

18 күн бұрын

@@Adamtendo_player_1 No, when the Switch came out it was fairly outdated, as the Tegra X1 was from 2015. It successor unfortunately was only available on cars at the time.

I am AMAZED that the 2017 Nintendo Switch - which has a mobile SOC that was already old at point of release (the Nvidia Tegra X1 was shown in 2015) - is still holding up SO WELL against a 1200€ 2024 cutting edge mobile SOC like the Apple A17 Pro. And the iPhone even has big drawbacks: You have to carry a separate controller - you just have a couple few games (switch has thousands) - iPhone will overheat FAST - your battery drains fast leaving you without a phone.

Still impressed with the Switch. I cannot overlook the fact you get 2 controllers with physical inputs with the system right out of the gate. The transition from portable to docked play is seamless and unlike past gaming phones I used to have, or just phones in general, once they are no longer supported as phones they are basically uselessness. The Switch being a console that can play physical games will still be playable in the many years to come. It is still the Nintendo Switch for the win for me. With the Switch 2, things will only get better.

Nintendo switch the best!!!!!!!

Isn't the iPhone 15 Pro, 4 or 5 times more expensive than the Switch? I would expect that so many years later, and with that big price difference, a smartphone would be equivalent in performance with an old portable console

@alksdng97834y

19 күн бұрын

Obviously the iphone will be more expensive. It has MUCH more functionality than a switch..

@bulletpunch9317

19 күн бұрын

Yeah shouldve compared against a $350 chinese phone with 8+g1 or above.

@crestofhonor2349

19 күн бұрын

That doesn't really mean much. You can take the Ayn Odin 2 and that's $300 like the switch and significantly more powerful with it's Snapdragon 8 Gen 2

@wraithhe

19 күн бұрын

an iPhone ain't just for gaming tho like the switch? The price is higher even for a phone, sure, but c'mon

@xtr.7662

18 күн бұрын

​@@crestofhonor2349not really its able to emulate it but on the games shown on the video it barely matches the switch since it underperforms the 15 pro by a margin

Great video as always! I would love to see a comparison with Android as well in the future

Oliver, will you get the new iPad Pro with M4 to test gaming on it?

Can't wait for the next analysis "which is more impressive, 10 yr old hardware vs modern hardware". :/

Switch costs around 200€ while iphone 1100€, i wonder who really wins here

@vtg1800

18 күн бұрын

iPhone win can use for photography, videography, social media, communication, video games, working and chat GPT AI and more

@hassosigbjoernson5738

18 күн бұрын

He could have used a midrange Smartphone for 200 bucks as well. Maybe a Xiaomi Lite model or a used Poco F3 since Switch and iPhone are also used.

@yuzu54o

18 күн бұрын

​@@vtg1800 switch can run android but just don't have a camera but comparing a phone to a handheld console?

@vtg1800

18 күн бұрын

@@yuzu54o Nah not just camera, Switch not have gimbal inside camera not like iPhone have gimbal this make smooth in video mode. No photoshop in Switch, can’t use Apple play in car. I prefer iPhone. Switch only for exclusive games Animal Crossing. Very poor performance in Switch, I play switch only for Animal Crossing

@yuzu54o

18 күн бұрын

@@vtg1800 are you expecting a game console to work and replace a phone? Cmon

I wonder how spicy that phone gets after gaming for a while.

@Mr.Chimpazee

18 күн бұрын

Kaboooommm

Wish solid state active cooling introduced by frore systems was implemented into phones too. Handhelds and phones would be literal powerstations if that is possible.

This is Furakawa, President of Nintendo. I am watching this video with the team developing the successor to the Nintendo Switch. We are laughing heartily.

Considering the switch 2 will have series s level of power, I think we will have another shock moment when we see the witcher 3 next gen running 60fps 1080p on switch 2 portable mode.

@GForceIntel

19 күн бұрын

What's shocking about that.

@SimonVaIe

19 күн бұрын

I'll wait to see if that actually happens. Not sure about series s performance, and in portable mode as well? I'll believe it when I see it.

@Villain-Of-The-Story

19 күн бұрын

@@GForceIntel shut up, kid.

@mrnobody941

19 күн бұрын

@@GForceIntel that your going from the switch's version of witcher 3 to the next gen version of witcher 3 running 60fps 1080p on your hands. Look for a comparison video between witcher 3 switch and series s .

@EnaTenkiyoGamer

19 күн бұрын

It would be a shame if switch 2 will be underpowered 😂

I’d like to see a comparison of switch docked mode vs the latest Apple TV

7 years already??!?! WTF!!!

0:28 Maybe add a price tag to that comparison table?

@NothingHereForYou

19 күн бұрын

Why though? Price seems irrelevant to this comparison.

@bananaboy482

19 күн бұрын

I think the appeal is that a lot of people are going to have a powerful phone like the iPhone 15 anyways regardless if they intend to game on it or not.

@ruekurei88

19 күн бұрын

Well, that's just a spec comparison. Overall comparison would have to factor in age and price I suppose. But that'd be a minimum $200 USD device vs a minimum $1000 USD device(price from Apple/Nintendo official sites). Taking all that into account though, the Iphone does come off a bit worse imo...but it's a phone first and gaming is just a bonus.

@crestofhonor2349

19 күн бұрын

You could take a slightly older used iPhone and it would still be faster

@SimonVaIe

19 күн бұрын

​@@NothingHereForYou I mean, the difference in power and size is impressive, but if you factor in that they're almost 10 years apart and one costs like 3x the other the whole comparison gets a lot less impressive from a consumer point of view.

I dare you to compare switch emulation on android instead of this...

7 year old tablet that were already behind the curve at release vs latest flagship from 8 months ago completely fair comparison

For me, it comes down to two things: a) the Switch screen is so much bigger than the 15 Pro Max (and the aspect ratio is so much better). And b) the TV/external monitor support is night and day better. This makes the substantial difference in power moot imo.

With the price tag of the iphone, it should be getting compared to the steam deck or ROG.

@thespectator3312

19 күн бұрын

The iPhone 15 costs about twice as much, or 1.5 times more, than the Nintendo Switch. This is because the iPhone 15 has a groundbreaking camera system, cellular functionality, a top-class media engine, AI capabilities, and is a style statement, all in addition to its gaming prowess. This is why you pay more for a multifunctional device compared to a single-purpose gadget. The iPhone 15's higher price reflects its greater versatility compared to the Nintendo Switch, a single-purpose gaming device.

@marekkedzierski8237

19 күн бұрын

1.5 times as much? What? Iphone 15 Pro starts at $999 (128GB version), Switch stars at $199 (Switch Lite) - that is 5 times as much, not 1.5.

@AaronFigFront

19 күн бұрын

Are you hearing what you are saying? A flagship laptop’s price is more expensive than a maxed out desktop, so a portable machine should be compared to a desktop, right? iPhone a low power *FAN-LESS* device. Comparison should be done based on product category.

@marekkedzierski8237

19 күн бұрын

@@AaronFigFront Rog Ally and Steam Deck are mobile gaming devices - so they fit this category. Also, Switch isn't fan-less, so not sure why IPhone being fan-less would matter.

@AaronFigFront

19 күн бұрын

@@marekkedzierski8237 I am exaggerating… flagship “business” laptop are not in the same category as chunky gaming laptops. Same with those, fan-less and with fan are 2 distinctively different product categories.

This performance is pretty pathetic considering what apple tries to market their devices as...

@Microsoft_Dev_Win11

18 күн бұрын

Nintendo charge multiplayer subscription

It’s pretty safe to say that what they got out of a downgraded Tegra far surpassed what was expected. Having an absolute blast with Kingdom Come on the Switch.

Switch is contemporary with iPhone 7 so it’s impressive it holds up so well with 15pro. PlayStation Vita had the same SOC as IPad 2 if I recall correctly but o haven’t seen a direct comparison like this.

@Jay-bs7fd

18 күн бұрын

PS Vita uses same the GPU in the iPad 3 (just with dedicated 128MB of VRAM) and CPU wise its a given between both.

@zultriova89

16 күн бұрын

we literally had a massive jump in handheld like 10x more performance of Nintendo 3DS, and 5X more performance with PS Vita.. but no one realized that..

This is why gaming on a phone generally sucks. The hardware is so much better and costs so much more, and in all reality it's still not that great compared to a system that's made for games. Because games are made for it. I get it, there's more you can do on a phone. But your also destroying the phones battery, making It less useful for it's actual purpose.

@Gurenn83

18 күн бұрын

💯

@TerranigmaQuintet

18 күн бұрын

And the other components degrade too, because they end up soaked in all the heat for a prolongued time because no active cooling. It's why the battery drains much faster playing games for longer times, the battery also heats up with it .

It's ridiculous the video decided to omit the price difference. It's interesting to compare them, sure, but not even mentioning the price of the iPhone is a glaring fault in the comparison.

@JochoPorocho

19 күн бұрын

Even the iPhone SE is better

@theteddychannel8529

19 күн бұрын

well, but as it says in the end: even if the iPhone was cheaper, the switch would be better. Simply because the game library on iPhone is ridiculously small. There's no speed, price or feature difference that can make up for that.

@game-iv4198

19 күн бұрын

The purpose of this comparison video is not about that 😂 everyone already knows the iphone is much more expensive than the switch

@bulletpunch9317

19 күн бұрын

Its not like people buy phones just to game on them, you can lookup prices easily anyway.

@crestofhonor2349

19 күн бұрын

@@theteddychannel8529 The game library on iphone is massive. Whether most of it is worth playing or not is a different question. In fact the mobile gaming industry is the largest

Just wait for the Switch 2😎

Next on Digital Foundry, a 4090 desktop pc, versus a TI87 graphing calculator!

Let's discuss about "the elephant in the room"...price of an iphone+controller 😅

Right, $1000 device (plus extra $100 for controller) vs $350 ($200 for Lite) device - I wonder which will have more power....

@edwardevans1498

19 күн бұрын

$1000? more like $1500

@marekkedzierski8237

19 күн бұрын

@@edwardevans1498 According to Apple's page IPhone 15 Pro 128gb model costs $999 in US.

@ericwindsor339

19 күн бұрын

Yeah like 4 times as expensive and also like 10 years newer, hardly a point even testing this

@crestofhonor2349

19 күн бұрын

That doesn't mean much. Phones have much more features as well as having more tech inside them. The chip itself in the switch is still much slower

It’s so wild that a cell phone is now more powerful than current console hardware.

I had no idea games like wreckfest and alien isolation were even available on iPhone. Pretty cool

Kind of shocking that a $1200 device runs slightly better than a 6 year older, $300 device.

@skycloud4802

19 күн бұрын

And even then, that $300 device is slightly overpriced, just like the Apple one is.

@bradchikenheart2

19 күн бұрын

$999*

@168original7

19 күн бұрын

200 dollar

@ItsameMatt

19 күн бұрын

@@bradchikenheart2 yeah, they used a base 15 Pro, but you still have to go for the Pro Max if you want to get closer to the Switch's screen size.

@Rocksteady72a

19 күн бұрын

Me whenever people brag about their PCs

As 2015 hardware, I was surprised by the comparison with state-of-the-art hardware from 2023. I found the difference small

@SimonVaIe

19 күн бұрын

I mean, the iphone is a lot smaller and I think around twice? as fast, which is impressive. But it's also over three times the price, which is disappointing compared to the almost 10 year old switch.

@Microsoft_Dev_Win11

18 күн бұрын

Ryujinx is better No need of switch

The main point coming from this video should be that it is an interesting comparison to see how phone hardware has progressed over the years. We are talking general purpose devices like iPhone or its Android counterparts running a lot of services in the background compared to a gaming specific hardware albeit from 7-8 years ago. Apple is trying to push the pro versions for their gaming performance though. What I would like to see is an AppleTV hardware with iPhone 15 pro gpu chip, maybe a bit overclocked due to less thermal constraints of the AppleTV package.

I wonder if Apple ever considered making a dedicated gaming device, I think they have everything to make a really powerful portable gaming device.

@felipeemanuel5790

18 күн бұрын

That's the problem, powerful portable gaming device is almost guarantee, specially if you don't have strong 1st party exclusive, unless apple decides to do the same thing that valve did, a console to sell a few millions, they don't want to compete. That's the biggest problem of any company that decides to make a new console, portable or home console.

Obvious conclusion. After all, one of these options is actually just a mobile phone... and the other is a 7 year old midrange mobile phone.

@DubElementMusic

19 күн бұрын

". and the other is a 7 year old midrange mobile phone" No

@THE_DEEZLE

19 күн бұрын

@@DubElementMusic10 years at least

@counterstriker3971

19 күн бұрын

The most expensive smartphone from 7 years ago couldn't hold up against the Switch when it comes to gaming. Not even close. Foh

@paralytaatylarap9715

19 күн бұрын

The Tegra X1 is from 2015, so it is 9 years old. At that time it was pretty much top of the line. But the X1in the Switch is always underclocked, even in docked mode.

@VariantAEC

19 күн бұрын

​@@counterstriker3971 The Galaxy S8 could and did. I showed Alien: Isolation running on it despite not even being officially supported on Android 9.

A 300 bucks machine...for a person who brought 7 yrs ago ..he already got money worth of entertainment and gaming experience

I love the handheld videos

So I can buy 20 Switchs for the price of 1 iPhone. Put all those switch in SLI mode and you’ll have 20x times performance improvement. Come on people! Be smart!