Always love it when you boys get technical and now with a bucket. No expense spared in getting us the information we need. Bounce and grind, spin so strike dependant.

The one thing that these kind of informative videos makes me think is..... how bloody good those lucky pro golfers are. The understanding you boys brings to the table has probably saved me thousand’s over the year’s 🙌🏼

I löve you Mark! Honesty, integrity and very knowledgble. Hell of a combination! Would 100% have you as a coach if I was living in the UK.

Always choose wedges from look/feel, but recently switched because of trying this test for myself. From pacific northwest in the US so we play in plenty of thick and creamy mayonnaise. I appreciate the perspective, Mark. Great content per usual!

Really enjoying these vlogs on wedges and spin. As a high handicapper, I look at what the club looks like and feels like

Loved the outdoor backing sound track,

Im with you... thats why i will be keeping my ben ross wedges.. love the look and feel. And after watching your tips on bounce Im getting the hang of them.. like the new “arrrrrrrmy” member cutting the grass. Great vid guys xx

I just love the sense you talk Mr Crossfield regarding golf equipment from all brands and makers............ but I must get myself a bucket for my next round.... sure it will lower my scores 👍😂😂😂

The wedge that gives you the most confidence.the wedge that looks right and fits your eye. Wedge play is such a difficult part of the game, approach the shot feeling as confident as you can, and wanting to hit the club you have . Wedges from the top manufacturers are all very similar, personnel preference . I agree with all you say about the ability to test spin. Great video, thanks for your efforts.

To be honest I bought my wedges because I found a great deal on a set of 3 that matched the loft gaps I like (50, 54, 58). They happened to be black Glide 2.0 stealth and it was a bonus that I really liked the looks. Learned to adapt to using them as I played and practiced more.

Love to see you test the raw and rusting wedges as multiple companies doing it

I purchased two RTX4 wedges and had them bent to fit my gaping. They’re dark in colour and look great. I never thought about spinning in the wet grass.

Mark i agree 100%. When these wet tests started coming out i was admittedly sold on this being a legit thing. However after looking at all the data from all these test what i noticed is almost always the increased launch makes up for the lack of spin when wet. Dispersion stays the same. A wet wedge seems to fly higher and land softer with less spin but overall they still end up where it would have dry. Its a non factor in my opinion now, i will clean my face off before shots and if its lift and clean i will do so, but im really not going to worry about a wet ball.

I just placed an order for 3 new T20's. I have been waiting for the T7 replacements for some time now. My main reasons for purchasing are look, feel and consistency. I game forged MP18 irons and these fit in my bag with MP18's really well as far as looks and set flow are concerned.

A great review 👌

The archimedes principle has been used to accurately measure volume since 212-287 BC... (or sticking stuff in a bucket of water as mark called it) 👍

@MrAshtute

3 жыл бұрын

@Joaquin Donald don't give a shit

I recently started playing again after a twenty year working spell. Before I always had the set wedge and sandie - Hogan Edge 1-SW. Now I have game improvement irons and hit much better - G Max, 6 -W. I grabbed a set of Glide 2.0’s online...a 52, 56 and 60. Now lots of practice! Trying to get control of strokes from 100 yards in.

Awesome, really love this, and be aware the mayonaise bucket test will become the standard for wedge testing!

The extra mass at the top of the wedge is to increase vertical moi according to Chris Voshall. He's got to be the best, most well spoken and articulate Mizuno rep anywhere. He spent some time with the TXG boys (Ian and Matt) in Toronto talking about and testing the MP20's. The intimation was that most companies have been preoccupied with horizontal moi (lateral forgiveness). Mizuno recognized that, with wedges in particular, there was room for improvement. There's nothing like a Mizuno. The MP20 HMB is breaking hearts all around the world!

buy wedges same as you guys - looks, feel, fitting options - but these do look good and what i like about them is that they look a lot like the mp 20 range so wedges and irons all blend together looks great

One might say that you guys are ahead of the curve, but then you guys might say,, wellll what would happen if you wanted to walk strait along a path that’s curvy lol love it!!! I like the look, I buy it, me too

Good stuff guys.

"Its shape is big..." That's classic!

You know what would be really helpful, a video comparing the different grinds available and why your average youtube +5 handicap golfer would benefit from picking each kind depending on their course conditions etc. I've never seen a good video on wedge grinds and that is something that I think would make a big difference to a lot of people.

I use s18 wedges love my running birds I play a 50, 54, and 58

The reason it’s all about spin right now, is because Matt from TXG Hit the ping glides versus his volkeys, wet. And the spin was double on the ping. (On GC Quad)

@paulmcgee1867

3 жыл бұрын

On grass?

great info as always, like the channel. based on what ive seen in your reviews of wedges they all spin the same but, is there one in all your reviews that seemed to maintain spin the best or was easier to get to spin? Also, in your opinion what is the best feeling wedge?

I hit Vokey wedges for the first time last month...they are very soft feeling. They even seem a bit dead compared to my Mizuno wedges. The Mizuno wedges are very lively in a controlled sort of way. The Vokeys seem like they have a lead core.

For me when it's wet out the greens are usually softer here in America so less spin doesn't matter as much

Dan.... Rocking a gold chain....

I find the physiological part of club buying interesting. I think that mark could sell a club that somebody may not really like. Using catch phrases. Showing the amount of control a fitter can have. Interesting topic of conversation.

Looks bounce and confidence I feel with club then gapped to suit my game. Couldn't use a club which felt wrong to me picked rtx 2.0 cos rtx 3 wasn't doing it for me I do have a mizuno S 60 degree and it's beautiful

The boys in MyGolfSpy need to watch this....When are you going to go to MyGolfSpy Mark? They have a podcast out this week talking about this and it doesn’t tally with your thinking, would like to see you guys discussing it among other things

I game Mizuno wedges... and I got them used. I still see balls checking on the green when I strike them. Strike is king!!! Love these though... Good looking wedges!!! I'm thinking the higher lofted wedges look bigger... because there's more face you're seeing with the lofts??? I feel as if all wedges with a lot of loft look like big plates on a stick.

Love it boys. #thickandcreamyspin I wonder though whether it really matters what the "drop off" is in wet and dry conditions (not taking varying strike conditions into consideration). Its not like someone, other than Bryson DeChambeau, is going to have multiple sets of wedges sitting in their garage waiting to be chosen depending on the weather conditions when they wake up for their 7Oclock tee off. Or are they going to take a good dry wedge and a good "wet" wedge with them incase the weather changes? Also, regardless of tge spin off the face a ball isnt going to stop if you are firinf into a hard green with a layer of dew on no mattet how much spun you have generated off the face.

Wondering if Mizuno put some Boron in the T20s. I think I read they did so in the S18s to make the grooves more durable. My experience of playing the JPX 825 Pros vs the 850 Pros (850s had Boron, the 825 did not) was that the 850s had a bit of click to them. Greatly enjoy your content. Cheers!

i play off 6 and i think that most weekend golfers are more concerned about the spin they get on the full shots with their wedges.ie 52 54 56 58 60 degree.not on 20 40 50 yard shots especially from the rough thats why we like your vids on full shots better.because you middle it a bit more often than us it gives us a better idea of maximum spin obviously depending on swing speed.this way normal players can narrow it down to a few brands before then looking at spin rates for half shots bad lies etc.keep up the good work.heres a thought since conforming grooves what is the wedge that has given u the highest and most spin on full shots?

Hitting the Mizuno T7 in 52 56 and 60. They look great but still learning how to hit them hahaha. 100 yards and in is the bane of my golfing existence.

To be fair I think mizuno are claiming that the ball will react more consistently in various conditions, ie rough, fairway wet, dry etc. In more ways than just spin alone.

Mark is your Titleist TS hat going to be available for public to purchase any soon?

Great video as normal 👍 Mark you say about shafts , spins ,distance claims by company’s is mostly selling gimmicks. But you always stand by the gc quad and track man figures ,why don’t you test it and see how different they are 🤷🏾‍♂️

Buying on what I get the most consistent results with.

Pure titleist hat bruh!!

Wet greens would have more impact than the wet ball on club? I have played when greens have more hold up, and at other times the ball aqua planes straight through.

Will you do a review of Bettinardi wedges?

Does wedge spin matter if it's wet? If it's rained or is raining then the ball will stop quicker on the green because the green will be wet too, hence you don't need more spin if the course is wet

dispersion on full & 3/4 shots, gapping, bounce, grinds, ball flight differences or center of gravity adjustments (sm7, hi-toe, PM, etc), looks to eliminate ugly ones, durability (no forged for me as I want groves to last), and as much as we don't like to admit it brand definitely plays its part

Mark, are you going to get Chris Voshall on the phone again for us??

Don’t these have some boron in them to help them last longer? I have graphite shafts in my wedges to match up better with my set and that had a big effect on feel I would describe as smooth.

I buy wedge's on looks, feel then affordability

When testing the wet/dry phenomenon, were the strike locations and the dynamic head/face delivery comparable? (Isn't that where spin comes from?) 👍 Also seemed a difference in launch angle(1st column after ball speed?) 2° difference in Matt's figures and 4° in your ping test?🤔😵

Feel is most important to me with all clubs, especially wedges. By feel, I mean how the club feels when I hold it, swing it, and hit a ball with it. I am not talking about sound particularly. For instance, a clicky wedge is just fine with me if it passes the feel test. Looks? As long as the wedge is not so ugly as to be totally unappealing, I don't care how it looks.

Good review Mark , but these wet and dry tests ... well does it really matter ? There are so many other things that are player specific. Delivered loft , angle of attack etc .. I always find that wedges are too upright and have to have them bent flat a couple of degrees... Maybe lie angle would be an interesting vlog ,, cheers Brah 😉🏌️⛳️🍻

Mark do you adress your chips with the face slightly open? If so what’s your thinking behind it? 👍🏼

Evening boyyyssssssss

Z grips are so nice, mizuno are one of the few that don't upcharge for them .

@adamwilliams579

4 жыл бұрын

Daniel Young but is also why dan thinks the wedges feel firm

Do these have boron? If so, that will literally make the face a bit more firm. I haven't liked a Mizuno club since they added the boron. Last Mizuno iron I liked was MP-54. Never hit the Tour but I hear they were much better in feel due to no boron.

I purchased my wedges on gapping/loft, bounce, and manufacture. Maybe I'm a little crazy, but I like what's written on my wedges to match what's on my irons. You can increase or decrease spin more with what type of ball you're using IMO.

How can you do a spin test and not clean the grooves between shots? I hit these wedges today and the spin was exceptional. Better than the T7.

Launch, distance, feel and maybe looks if it's between two

Mygolfspy test showed that wet club wet ball and wet ground all contribute about the same and add together. So only a wet ground with a dry ball and clubface would reduce about 1/3 as much. They also found some clubs are like the mizuno and ping and jaws like you have wet tested and others have huge drop offs. I would say test some wedges without face killing and I bet the difference is a lot greater

looking forward for my Christmas present, 3x Mizuno T20 wedges(52, 56, 60) blue finish, black C-taper shafts - delicious..:-)))

@cobra1995xx

4 жыл бұрын

Ohhhh sounds sharp

I stopped using Mizuno wedges when they started putting Boron in them for that very reason. Clicker feel than the classic all 1025 carbon wedges.

I've got sm6's I bought them cos I thought vokeys were the go to name in wedges 🙈

For me it’s all about looks

It must be hell inside Dan’s head! Too loud, too quiet, too thick, too offset, too shiny... Good thing you’re so likeable Dan! 😃

Good test. How is a 56 deg wedge only launching at 28 deg though?

@wallstreetoneil

4 жыл бұрын

As a general rule of thumb, good players will have a launch angle of 28 to 30 degrees with their 56/60 degree wedges as spin / friction pulls the ball down - or as another generalization, take the loft of the club divide by 2 and take 2 more off as the launch angle so 60 / 2 -2 = 28 degrees if you are really good at consistent contact

Looks and feels. Spin is basically the same across all the manufacturers.

@FLFC77

4 жыл бұрын

B M well said spins all down to strike 👍🏼

Go based on looks and size and then basically just newer looking groves because I buy barely used second hand to save money.

I buy wedges on looks and feel, spin is down to your own strike.

@FLFC77

4 жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more 👍🏼

Do you want spin to fall off slightly in the wet? On the basis you in theory won't get as much roll out as in the dry?

Interesting that you guys think the new T20 wedges are clicky because the S18 wedges are absolutely not in my opinion - it might be the infused boron in the metal to make the grooves last longer. I buy my wedges on bounce and then have them all custom ordered at the same length (35.75") so that they are all the same (I did this because I learned the game on a set of rusty Cleveland CG12 RTG DSGs and they were all the same length).

On your “wet test” would wetting the carpet make any difference to numbers? Wet grass vs dry grass as it were. Love the videos BTW and still the No1 KZread golf channel 👍

Surprised Dan was put off by the feel. Thats Mizuno's major selling point and slogan " Nothing Feels Like A Mizuno". I guess people will have to test it for themselves, which is what they should do anyway. I like the look of the club and the feels I got from this video were good also LOL!

I bought my TM Milled Grind wedges purely on gap differences from my set PW. Yes I love the looks and feels. It was all about the gaps for me.

Were the wedges all the same length?

C'mon Dan. You are commenting on feel and use some of the harshest feeling wedges with Vokey's.

@BrianAudia

4 жыл бұрын

That was the oddest part of this test. Just hilarious. Cmon Dan, seriously? These have got to be objectively one of the top 3 softest feeling wedges on the market and way softer feeling than the Vokeys (and I play Vokeys for different grind reasons) in my opinion.

Not 1 mention of Badger 🦡🤷🏼‍♂️

Wedge buying for me has never been based on anything other than does it look good? Does it feel good? Gapping doesn't come into the equation

Rumor has it Dan made Lester eat all the mayonnaise so he could use the bucket.😂😜 Cheers from NorCal boys P.S. No one says Nippy like coach🏌

I’m worried that the mayonnaise residue is effecting the spin numbers

Don’t forget the shafts. If they get wet then they are faster, more slippery. Stands to reason surely 😉😉.

Ultimately the only way to do scientific testing is with a robot delivering the same loft and speed every time. Overall the test shows there is a differences in how well different wedges retain spin in the wet. At the moment the overall KZread testing seems to demonstrate that Ping is very good at that and I can see why the finish ought to effect that . But whilst it may be an interesting statistic has it any relevance in the real world? As Mark has said no one should buy wedges based on spin numbers - all the quality wedges spin enough for most people if you deliver the club face and strike correctly. If you are worried about how much spin you lose in the wet there is a simple solution -DRY YOUR WEDGE before hitting the shot! Actually even if you do not dry the club the testing shows that the ball will launch a bit higher in the wet and if both ball and club are wet there is a high chance the green will be a bit damp as well so a higher launching but less spinning ball might stop just as quickly due to the softer and more receptive green.

Only buy wedges on look and feel, the big boys don't make a bad wedge so spin will be down to my strike. 👍

You’ve always pointed out how Mizuno is able to put a lot of face on a small club. Looks like the same with their wedges.

Next time could you please film outside on a slightly noisier day!!!!!? Sounded like woody wood pecker and his mates being chased by a lawnmower on steroids 😂🙈🙈🙈😳

Here is a test for you, after each chip none of you are cleaning the clubs so the grooves are all full of dirt and water and you are comparing spin? hit ten shots without cleaning the club after each shot and I wonder if the spin is going down, then do the same and clean the grooves properly is there any difference?

@MarkCrossfield

4 жыл бұрын

Grooves move dirt for sure 👍👍

Wet mat testing for spin is pretty ridiculous. You can hit a terrible strike and still spin it off of a mat. Grain flow forging isn't really forged. They are cast the struck. Mizuno says its the best of both worlds. I find it interesting that the copper layer is perceptibly softer since copper is not only very caustic but also very hard.

theres a satin finish too.

now that I can ground my club in a water hazards. I will never have to take a drop again with these wedges.

T20 vs SM8?

Lockey's dry ball data on the t20 has spin rates that jump from 2000rpm from his best to his worst strikes and similarly 2000rpm difference on his wet ball data on the t20 from worst to best strikes. Shows the club will only perform as good as the player whereas the txg guys are a little more consistent than what you can provide in testing. Just because you did not see the results in testing due to difference in swing does not mean its a end all be all test. I'd like to think you'd be a little more open to the results other testers have provided.

Sorry, what golf course has a robot lawnmower?! That seems totally ridiculous, no?! 😂

Mark I disagree about speed equals chance for more slip. When water (or grass) gets between the ball and club I'd think the more speed the more you can use the grooves to remove said water (or grass).

@MarkCrossfield

4 жыл бұрын

Spin ingredients are clear and not mine 👍 Strike spin loft speed. Then you throw all the variables into the mix 👍

Can you boys do a test where you dip the wedge and ball in mayonnaise and see what happens 😂

@shrimpflea

4 жыл бұрын

I've already done that test. It results in delicious shots.

Sorry - I'll come back later, maybe- if I want to sit around and listen to roofers work. Too bad too - wanted to hear what these guys had to say--

840. Who gave the army a drum kit?

Do these not have the copper underlayer like the irons?

The wet 'drop off' was 26% for Mizuno, 17% for Ping, but at the end of the day there is more spin rpm in both wet and dry conditions with the Mizuno, so seems pretty meaningless really.. if it's wet you adjust, if you want more spin then buy the Mizuno. Haven't seen your wet test methodology (was it the dip the head in the bucket way?), but if you cared you would be wiping your club before hitting and the real world difference is probably minimal water on the ball and grass. And certain grasses are already pretty slimy wet when crushed between club and ball. We need a robot test to split these hairs...

“T20 wedges BOI”