Great info, appreciate the video. I’ve played the same Mizuno irons for 15 years (MP-37) Love them, but looking forward to upgrading. Going to test JP and the pros, can’t wait to upgrade!

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

15 years...that's a long time!

It's always a good day when Mr Voshall makes a guest appearance👍👍

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Great to have him back on the channel to bring his knowledge to you all - Thomas

I recently purchased a set of the regular 923 Hot Metals. I am 72 years and a left handed player. I had hoped to try the HL version but unfortunately they are unavailable in lefty. The regular HM’s tested well vs the HL TaylorMade and Callaway models and I went with them. After 2 months I will say that I hit these clubs just as high as my previous MX-23’s and a little longer. Previously, I played a regular flex Dynalite steel shaft and now I have the UST senior flex graphites in the new clubs. In regard to full swing feel, confidence and distance, I am happy so far. What I don’t care for is their performance in the short game. The 46° pitching wedge on my old set was useful inside 100 yards for half and 3/4 swing pitch shots and chipping. The new 42.5° PW is strictly a full swing club and so far it has been useless near the green for me. I regularly used my old 8, 9 and PW for chipping but the new clubs are too hot and distance control has been difficult. In addition, the new set came with a 48° G wedge which is a smaller, blade style head and completely different from all the other cavity back clubs in the set.

Really cool to see Chris on channel and the 80mph swings by Thomas were great!

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

We loved having him on. Thanks for watching! - Thomas

@giomusah2155

Жыл бұрын

@@2ndswing compare this to 225?

I just got fitted for the HL irons, and they are honestly mind blowing with how incredible they perform for me. I fit into the slower swing speed category, but I was getting close to 1.49 smash factor with every strike with the 7 iron. I seriously have a hard time understanding how these irons perform so well and how they fly so far for me compared to other models, including the regular Hot Metals, but I am definitely not complaining with the results.

Thanks guys for a club testing around the 80 mph swing speed. I really want to move to Mizuno for my next set and this really helps with the decision making process. Keep up the great work!!

@Odin..

Жыл бұрын

I tried them out as a 35 handicap but i didnt like them maybe you do

@nielsaxelsson

Жыл бұрын

Exactly- that’s where many of us mortals that these irons are made for live… 😊 No point i seing them tested at 90-something mph 😅

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Pay attention to your landing angle / stopping power and if you like the irons you are in a good spot - Thomas

Goooood, we got the Thominator doing the business in the bay. 😎👍🏼

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. I like the name - Thomas

Very good analysis relevant to senior & mid-handicappers. Not much shaft flex discussion, but 80mph head speed = senior or regular flex! I own 921 HM & will Purchase 923 HM HL!

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

That was the goal with this video. The shaft flex can help a bit but the rest of the tec will make most of the difference - Thomas

Vosh!!!! Is back!!!

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

It was great to have him back on our channel - Thomas

Hi Thomas fantastic test👌, stunning 80mph with full release👍, Just amazing you wouldn’t know your normal swing speed is 90mph, (don’t see this speed control) with other reviews, Thanks Thomas Dickey 9hcp 75year Senior Golfer😃

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I'm getting better at changing up the speed so more golfers relate - Thomas

Just got fitted for the Hot Metal Pro! Only sucky part is 4-6 weeks! Can't wait!

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

🔥

@jeffcsMN

Жыл бұрын

I know what you mean. I was fitted for 921 HMP’s during the pandemic and I had to wait 8 weeks. I only got one round in with them before I had to store them away for the winter. Lol. Enjoy your new Mizuno’s. You’re going to love them!

@ronellharvey7703

Жыл бұрын

They actually came in 9 days! I have 4 rounds in with them and I have to say, SO PURE! gain 14 yards on each iron as well due to less side spin from my old callaway N415s

@jeffcsMN

Жыл бұрын

@@ronellharvey7703 Nice!

@Exasperatedgolf

Жыл бұрын

@@ronellharvey7703 jealous !! got my fitting in 5 weeks !

I’ve had sets of the JPX 919’s and 921 Hotmetals. My iron swing speed is @77 mph. I would say without a doubt the high launch version would help my game. I like to play a lot of approach shots just past the bunker.

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Great stuff Bill! Sounds like you're one of many who will benefit from the HL model

LOVE my 921 HMP’s.

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. - Thomas

I just ordered 919 forged from second swing. I'm going to stick with those, thanks

@paulmcgee1867

Жыл бұрын

I am very happy with them

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

JPX 919 Forged irons are fantastic! You'll enjoy those for sure

Can you please explain what would happen for similar swing speeds with less compression. Understand ball speed and distance would be lower, but what about spin and landing angle? Thanks.

@2ndswing I have tried these and I like them. My swing speed is between 65-72 mph. I am just at the border between light or regular shaft (70mph). I am not sure which one to choose... I intend to play a lot more golf in the coming months (1 round every 2 weeks). usually my angle of attack is between 0 to 6 degrees upwards. I wonder if I should go for regular Hot Metal or HL version given my swing speed and angle of attack.Any advice ? thanks.

hi, could you compare the hot metal pro with the Wilson d9 forged ?? thanks !

I would like to see a test between the JPX HM Pro and the Mizuno Pro 225 !!

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Coming soon 👀

What would happen if you hit a high lunch 6 iron to the HM 7 iron or the HM 8 iron to the HL 7 ? get the lofts closer

Are these game improvement irons? Thanks.

I just think that the lift jacking has reached the point of diminishing returns for most golfers. Thomas’ landing angles with the 7i HM and HM Pro were around 40 degrees…and his speed is way above average! I would have to order these 2 degrees weak to get a reasonable landing angle.

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

They certainly can be especailly for club speeds that are slower. I'm more concered about 4, 5 & 6 iron gapping with slower speeds - Thomas

@dancarey9495

Жыл бұрын

I got fit for HMP at a Mizuno regional fitting center in the UK. 111 ball speed with 7i, stopped at 6i and added a 5i fli hi hybrid with the same steel shaft as the irons. I have a 19 degree hybrid as well. The fitter used a program from Mizuno that recommended this set build, this was based on my DNA swings.

Question I have is, will it stop on the green? HL will stop but will the HM Pro and Hot Metal stop?

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! For many players, you're right. The HM and HM Pro won't stop. THat's why Mizuno added the HL to the family. But there are also plenty of players in the game-improvement category that generate too much spin, whether it be due to a very steep attack angle or a slice tendency, that would benefit from a lower spinning iron like the HM or HM Pro

Is the regular 923 hot metal iron better for a swinger or a digger?

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

It can be for either! We can customize the irons to add/remove loft and bounce depending on how you deliver it.

Shaft options test please

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

I like the suggestion. Stay tuned - Thomas

My 919 hot metals are bent 3* weak, 33* 7 iron, super high launch 😂😅

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

loft is your friend! - Thomas

It's hard to find Mizuno where I live

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Where are you located? Mizuno's market share has grown a lot especailly with the hot metal lines, stores and coures need to be offering them - Thomas

Why is Thomas's club speed down 10 mph since the JPX21 HM test?

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! We had Thomas slow down his swing in this test to more closely match an average player. He still normally swings his 7-iron at approximately 90 MPH

Isn’t this extremely low spinning for a 7 iron? My buddy has the 921 HM and I hit a few balls with them and I loved them so much that I ended up buying them. Should arrive tomorrow but the spin factor does have me a little nervous now. Currently gaming Taylormade RSI 1 which I love but the 921s felt superior compared to them

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Club speed and attack angle will influence that spin. With my shallower attack angle and only 80 mph speed the ball will spin low (hence why the HL would be better). It's going to be very hard to get 6000 rpm+ with a 29* 7iron regardless of swing type - Thomas

@johnpetolillo288

Жыл бұрын

@@2ndswing appreciate the response back. Thank you. I think I’m gonna throw these in the bag and see how they are. Would you think these would be a good upgrade from the RSi 1? The lofts are pretty much in line, with the 921 HM being stronger by 1 degree or so in some clubs which really isn’t a deal breaker for me

What is expected lead time for the 923's?

@codyfaught1247

Жыл бұрын

7-10 days

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully 7-10 days is correct. It will depend on the type of shaft / grips ordered but custom order delivery time is getting much better! - Thomas

@CH98765

Жыл бұрын

@@2ndswing Fingers crossed, ordered last week, getting released tomorrow, and hoping to have them before a trip at the end of the month

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Project X & KBS shafts have still been the shafts that are talking longer. If you didn't end up with those shafts I like your odds - Thomas

Could you just order the Hot Metal or HM Pro with weaker lofts?

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Many times I do this with my iron fittings regardless of manufacturer - Thomas

@thehighhandicapgolfer

Жыл бұрын

@@2ndswing thanks Thomas! I would assume someone who pulls/draws the ball wouldn’t want the added offset of the HL models. I do appreciate Mizuno’s approach here by going weaker lofted on GI iron!

Pretty good looking clubs, but almost 2 clubs stronger lofted than my current ToylorMade R9 toour preferred. Looking forward to seeing the Wilson D9 forged pitted against these 923 Hot Metal Pro irons, similar looks, but slightly less loft for the Wilsons.

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Yes how technolgoy "loft" has changed in the past few years - Thomas

Can you compare to new level gi 22 please

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reccomendation. This is added to the list - Thomas

As a left-hander it sucks that Mizuno doesn’t offer all their clubs in left handed. Back to Callaway I guess

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

They are slowly getting better. It would be nice especially in Minnesota we get a lot of LH hockey players - Thomas

Compare the HL 7i to a base HM 8i

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Not a bad suggestion for a future video - Thomas

@Weltbummler23

Жыл бұрын

@@2ndswing the HL 6i vs. the base hot metal 7i might be a better comparison as there is only 0.5 deg loft difference. Really curious why i should go with a strong loft cavity back vs just clubbing down with a standard loft cavity back. Would like to see that comparision to see if theres any noticeable difference.

Obviously he's a great striker of the ball....but I did think think spin would be higher...yes they launch high..great landing angle.. forgiving..but spin a bit disappointing.

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Add about 800-1000 rpm of spin for when I hit of grass. With my shallow attack angle I don't spin the ball as much as most golfers that swing 80mph - Thomas

They should all be high launch

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Game improvement irons lofts have gotten pretty strong and for many golfers we have to order clubs with more loft - Thomas

Oh man... I hope the TXG guys don't see you on there Vosh!

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

?? Vosh has been on our channel a few times in the past, regardless of what channel he appears on it's just great to have him educuate you all more - Thomas

@DaveFogel

Жыл бұрын

@@2ndswing Thomas, we have to work on your sense of humor.

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Lol. Vosh is such a cool guy. Wealth of knowledge - Thomas

4115 spin? On a 7 iron?? These are not going to be my clubs. Mad

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

That's why Mizuno added the HL model! All of the tech of the HM or HM Pro, but with added loft to provide the necessary spin and launch that many players need

@damiensharkey6603

Жыл бұрын

@@2ndswing the high launch spins at 5000 and is an ugly thing

@legend9018

Жыл бұрын

@@2ndswing I also think the HM or HM Pro ordered 2 degrees weaker would be very playable. Kind of like Ping offers the retro loft.

High Launch not available left handed - unbelievable. Poor show Mizuno

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

I bet they will listen to this feedback and hopefully get there with all models - Thomas

Not impressed... The 921 feel like crap too... Not happy with my purchase

@johnpetolillo288

Жыл бұрын

What didn’t you like about them? I just purchased mine and should arrive tomorrow. I thought they felt great when I was swinging them, but hey that’s just me. For reference, I currently game Taylormade RSi 1s. I’m just curious your input on them

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Give them some time the numbers may outweigh your perception of the feel - Thomas