Fantastic video! Agreed 100%! I never liked the 'Parallel EQ' 'New York Trick', after trying it and hearing how hollow the low end got I spoke to my New York friends, Jack Douglas, Shelly Yakus etc and they all said they did not do parallel EQ precisely because they didn't like how it sounded! Haha Great Video David!

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy, I hope your arm is better!

@Producelikeapro

2 жыл бұрын

@@mixbustv thanks David! Yes, almost back to playing every day! Baby steps, getting better! Thanks for asking

@massivebeatzz

2 жыл бұрын

Warren weighs in. Love it!

@reziahamed6654

2 жыл бұрын

@@Producelikeapro wishing you a super quick recovery Warren & as always insane stuff David ! 👍👍🥇

@zwsh89

2 жыл бұрын

As you said, and as I’m always telling my friends, the “no rules” rule is totally misleading, and can hinder professional development as much as it can fuel creativity. It’s a balancing act between subjective and objective truths. This gets into the “engineering” side of audio engineering, it’s about how processing can alter phase, and what the actual cause and effect relationships between mix moves are. As not-sexy as it is, our jobs are at their core-all about math and physics. We like to call our work “art” because it is by nature, creative, and those of us who choose audio production usually tend to be inherently creative, artistic, and often musical people. But is audio engineering art, or craft? I would argue that the ARTISTRY is in creative and effective execution of the CRAFT. Know your tools so well that you can immediately create what you hear in your head-despite what specific tools you might actually use to get the job done. Comb filtering, minute phase rotations, introduce two slightly different tracks in parallel and these things WILL sneak up on you even if you do everything “right.” The more we understand about what is actually happening to the air compressions and rarefactions in the real world, the better we can translate that knowledge to control and efficiency in the DAW. It’s not about having the right plug-in. Or the right technique. It’s about knowing why those things work, and then applying those principles to your core approach to the mix. A Melda plug-in can be way way more powerful than most people realize, and with a little know-how, you can often recreate what many expensive specialty plugins do with just a few clicks. Because those tools harness the power of the math behind the art, rather than focusing on nostalgia or flashiness, they can offer a more no-nonsense approach to various types of processing, that in some cases, can help boost creativity by removing distractions with a streamlined GUI. They are often much more flexible than the competition, and give you more predictable parameters that you can really use to learn and understand what that processing does and can do. I’m not making a judgment about one type of tool vs. another, but I am saying that those utility/function based tools are objectively more about putting full control in your hands than any emulation of an LA-2A could ever hope to. These help you be creative in different ways. But one of them will help you learn about the other, and it doesn’t really go the other way around. Your tools are what you can do with your plugins, not the plugins themselves

Dude this is so clearly explained, can't tell ya how much I appreciate that you articulated it so clearly. You can't look at every tiny thing a famous engineer does and take it as gospel and say 'it MUST be right'. Every single human has quirks, nobody is perfect! We all deal with imperfections and when we can we solve it from as close to the source as possible.

This video is one of the reasons I love your channel, you go to the point and tell everything as it is. Keep it up man !!!

It is amazing how far this channel has come. I'm watching it for years - before you showed your face! And now I'm seeing a man communicating a VERY IMPORTANT message in a very eloquent way. By the way, I completely agree with this. Also, guys: if Andrew Sheps can do it on headphones, that doesn't mean you can...

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

:D thank you! Also: Andrew just got an Atmos system lol

I’m so glad you said it! I had that same argument with someone today. I made a point that often you find people using bad techniques and poor equipment yet achieving great results. Sadly, others believe the results come thanks to these bad decisions and forget that the people who succeed with them have great ears. Adopting someone else’s bad decisions without their ears, intuition and musicality would rarely yield good results.

Looking forward to this 🙏🏽

How RIGHT you are Dave! The problem is that many people start preaching things on the "internet" on how "this X engineer does that" or "all EDM producers clip their master bus" spreading wrong information and the "despite of" variable that you mentioned as a rule. And most of the times these are people with very little experience on the matter but lots of time on their hands to watch a ton of beatmaking tutorials of people that do things wrong ;) Loved the video!

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Dom 🤘

Magnificent! Thank you so much for this, perfectly explained 🙏🙏

This is such a wonderful point to make, thanks for the great content as always! It’s true that so many people today are scared to speak OBJECTIVE FACT. Also my friend loves the microphone blanket from your store, it was a perfect birthday gift 😎

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

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Yes! Thank you, O Mighty Shaman of Sound :) Too many of us race the clock because society programs us to be fast and sloppy, to look for easy shortcuts and tricks, and to mock the person who is thorough and excellent. Rock on, bro!

I used to mix into a limiter 10 years ago. Since I stopped, my mixes are SO MUCH BETTER. Way more dynamic range and less distortion in the mid range. I balance and compress to taste and don't just hope my limiter is doing the job of individual track/bus treatment, or better yet automation. Limiters during mixing is a fast way to get to a good result. Automation is a tedious way to get to a great result. It takes more effort to be great than it takes to be good enough.

Such great video, well presented and to the point, you're the best!

I love how Bella Kelly's video insert always pops up while you're saying something along the lines of "great record", "exceptional", "amazing". King of subliminal messages am I right haha... Great content as always, thanks!

I mix and master music for my business partner (the composer), but we frequently meet to compose and arrange songs together. Since we meet remotely, I frequently have to slap a limiter on the master fader to get the volume to a place where we can comfortably work with the song. I can't even begin to tell you the amount of times I have fought with a track in the mixing stage when I forget to turn off that damn limiter and how many projects I've restarted from scratch because I made too many wrong decisions from that limiter being there.

Everyone should watch this, thank you David! You nailed it

I tried mixing into a limiter, was a bad idea, I ended up having to go back and adjust everything, so many bad mistakes were made, the limiter clouds your judgment as you can be fighting it without knowing, it could be introducing artefacts and you may think that they are part of your sound, or vice versa, you may have artefacts that you believe are the limiter but actually you've got distortion else where etc. Something pretty important I learnt for achieving a loud mix is not to always try matching peak levels.. which makes sense because different sounds have different dynamics, transients and harmonics, much better to use your ears. I've found when mixing something well, my mixes always come out louder and the limiter doesn't sound so bad.

@marcobiraghi

2 жыл бұрын

it also heavily depends on how hard you're hitting the compressor though

David, You're one of the best sources on KZread with correct and integer information. We might not always agree with it, but the world would be a boring place if we all had the same opinion. Please don't defend yourself that much and say what you think is appropriate Just stick to your own principles and please keep in mind that your work and opinions are much appreciated. Kind regards, team Doctor Plugin

Having exactly this discussion with one of my students yesterday who was told by a producer he admires that he should mix into a glue compressor, limiter and camel crusher on the master bus. When we took it off his mix was totally out of balance. We rebuilt it from the ground up, leaving lots of headroom, and created a mix he felt proud of. Instead of being taught about headroom he was taught to slap loads of plugins on the master bus. He had no idea why he was doing it other than he was told to do it. Blows my mind that people would teach things like this to a beginner producer 🤯

@Ness2Alyza

2 жыл бұрын

I basically just started experimenting in fl studio with no knowledge, other than the occasional physics. I'm glad this is the first yt channel I bumped into, now that I am trying to learn a lot more. The comment sections are interesting too!

@pocket1684

2 жыл бұрын

To each his own. I know many top engineers that mix into the master bus which has eq sometimes saturation compression and a limiter. I do most of my mix without a limiter, Then toward the end I pull up 3 different go to limiters and which ever one is the most transparent or brings the right vibe is the one I mix into the rest of the way and I a/b the mix w limiter vs w/o. I'm able to get well balanced mixes that my clients are feeling. There is not one way to do things.

@Ness2Alyza

2 жыл бұрын

@@pocket1684 I think one of the points is, that beginners just slap some limiters on there, while mixing, so they miss out on a lot of sounds being compressed vs what would not have been compressed. Since you mix without limiters, you already actually know what you are dealing with. If you then add some limiters afterwards, it already seems like a quite precise action.

@pocket1684

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ness2Alyza true

Great points (as usual), David!! No doubt about it, more knowledge about all this stuff helps tremendously. (And yes, there ARE rules.) :)

Exceptional 👏🏻✨ Thank you so much for everything you share, and also the way you do it. 🙌🏻✨🎆

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

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Man. You raise some great points. I mix the best I can and i’m always going for a vibe or character..There might very little logic or reasoning either than getting the sound I want. I would like to be open to mixing/mastering with factual techniques and truths. I can get my “vibe” all day but it could technically be a disaster compared to professional mixes and proper technique.

Great video! Thanks for your honesty!

Awesome.. also never been convinced it's needed as much as some people say

I love the way you have put this across... very cool very objective

GOAT, man these vids are the best!

Thanks for the info.

Good commentary. Thanks for sharing the insights.

Great piece. As an old knobs and buttons geezer - when starting out in 60's virtually every magazine (no internet then) or book regarding playing, recording electric anything stated that compressors made everything louder. For years I couldn't work out why my compressors made everything quieter when I increased the compression settings. (There was no concept of make-up gain in gear at that time). Nothing I could find explained that compression actually made things quieter, i.e. more compact, which allowed subsequent equipment to increase levels and thus reveal the fatter/louder sound. It's great to see you making your point that there are many (some so called expert) still 'teaching' incomplete and/or wrong messages - still drives me nuts. Sadly this is still the case and is prevallent in colleges/universitiesThank you.

First of all, congratulations for your videos and your way of teaching, explaining and demonstrating concepts. I always mix into my mastering chain (so there’s a limiter) because it is part of my mix. I know it may sound like a gobbledygook; let me explain. My mastering chain is not “gentle”: 1 - NLS Buss (soft THD, input gain staging needed) 2 - ssl comp (hpf 150 Hz, grit on, compression among 2 and 4 dB) 3 - CLA mixdown (Drive ONLY) 4 - Waves studio rack (M/S encoding with 2 L2s, same settings + stereo linMB, gentle linear phase multiband compression) 5 - Bx Masterdesk (tilt eq with Foundation knob, deesser, THD maxed, NO comp) 6 - Waves Puigtec 7 - Bx Millennia NSEQ-2 8 - CLA 2A (NO comp, 60 Hz noise, gain 33.00) As you can read, I use a maximizer/limiter, because its only purpose is to max the input signal, limiting (if needed) mid only, not sides, because next plugins add THD once again, so I need a sort of gain staging even in the middle of this chain, in order to not deteriorate my “standard mix”. More than this, Puigtec and Millennia are set in order to recreate CLA’s Master Bus eq curve, so they are veeeeeeeeeeery aggressive and it’s needed to mix into their own sound; adding them later will destroy my mix (I tested this sentence). Some knob setting will change according to the mix I’m working on, other parameters are in the in the “set it and forget it” mode (Puigtec and Millennia are two of these). All these plugins are on my Master Aux track, that goes into an audio track on which I record my LR. At this point, I make inactive ALL the other tracks except the printed mix one, I add Standard Clipper (Hard Clip mode, ceiling on, 256x oversampling), set input gain, check Lufs and here the offline bounce goes. As you said: there’re no rules, there’s only what sounds good! Cheers from Italy 🙂

Thanks for sharing the correct info!

Right on! Years ago, I used to mix with a limiter on the 2 bus until I hit bypass on the limiter one time with a client in the room and the mix was all over the place. All the pushing and pulling into the limiter was not giving me an accurate mix, lesson learned. I'll spot check when I'm about 80% done with a mix but don't mix into the limiter. The main reason I even started doing that was my mixes sounded punchier with a limiter on the 2 bus.(Well, duh!) Now, I get my mix punchy without the limiter on the 2 bus and my mixes are an accurate reflection of the decisions I make throughout the mix. If it's a one off track where I'm doing the master, I'll have a Limiter on the 2 bus in bypass until I hit that 80% mark and spot check it. One other note for someone out there, if you want to hear your mix louder, turn up your interface. Great video, well stated.

I totally agree, in this era where everyone can influence people with uncorrect concepts we should always try to be critical and study that information to understand if really has a value in our working method. Thanks for this video.

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

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I don't know if it's bad but these types of videos of yours are my favorites!

Thank you from a relative beginner for some more great insight . And also have to say, Heartbreak Motel is fantastic! Gave me shivers.

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🙏

everyone has a different ways. I feel you 100%

I totally agree with you.

Really a great Video,and I agree with you.

You are 100% right!!!! No limiter while mixing!!!!

Interesting observation, very true .

Great video, first one i can think of is that i learned that the slope on span should be turned to 0 by an artist i love, but it actually really depends on what you are analyzing as i figured out as it wont help to make sound more linear as everything just turns into a bassmountain at 0 slope

I think it's a matter of knowing that Music is the sum of a looooot of details. It's like having the 4th viola in an orchestra a little flat in pitch, adding all the orchestra, miking, recording, mixing ect. Of course that detail "does not matter" but obviously it is better if that viola player tunes perfectly... so if you are going to talk SPECIFICALLY about tuning a viola you WILL give that information correctly... as you stated in the specifics of a limiter. Cheers and thanks for the great content.

I used to mix into a plugin chain but all I got from it was hustle. Now I only color my 2-bus with the '111C' transformer by Kazrog True Iron and the 'mythical 3d' preset by FabFilter Saturn. To me it just speeds up things.

What I like about you David is that the philosophy behind your points is well thought out to the point that you have your information locked down. Many people, when debating, fly by the seat of their pants. It is clear that you do not. You give things considerable thought, which is the way to be. To the point about "there are no rules," I like what Robert McKee says in his instructional book on writing, Story. Paraphrased: "There are no rules in art, but there are principles. A rule says you have to do something a certain way. A principle says you can do it however you want, but certain things have been observed to work a certain way, possibly for thousands of years, and you really ought to know about it."

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome quote! And thank you !!

Holy shit.. This is one of the most articulate videos on a huge topic. We all like to learn from someone, oftentimes not someone we directly know. But we are clueless to put those words someone shares, into perspective and context. And that's what you did; making everyone that little bit less clueless on how to learn from others, take them a little less at face value. As you mentioned at the beginning; this applies to a huge variety of professions and speaks directly to how we process new information that is given in bits and pieces. Well done David, very very well done. I think in extension, we need to dampen the 'trickery' mindset and emphasize the 'process'. Its probably often not one trick or another, rather more about its place in a larger process.

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

so true . i seen trap producer who says slap the limter on first thing on master chanel .. AND IT KIILS THE VIBE ...

100% agreed. Keeping the mix dynamics as intact as possible gives the mastering engineer more room to work with. When a mix is already heavily limited, the mastering engineer has less ability to shape and enhance the mix, and it may already be too loud and distorted to be improved upon.

spot on.

PREACH!

This is one of the most intelligent "rants" I've ever heard on the net. Thx David well said!

@mixbustv

4 ай бұрын

Thank you!

amazing video. can't agree with you more ...

"They get to the result despite doing something wrong, not because of it." Hear hear, fully agree with that. And the regular people following blindly don't necessarily have the experience and expertise to compensate how the pros can and will even without acknowledging it.

I'm gonna re-post this video every single time someone bring that argument up now lol

Great Video!!!

Thank you so much for this! This goes for so many things in life when it's about advice. New parents talking here 😁

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

😄 congrats!

@simongrease843

2 жыл бұрын

@@mixbustv Thank you

end game you gotta use your ears, your experience of a song esp your own will not be someone elses, now having a few different masters off different people is worth it i think, and im a top down mixer, but will be sending my first record off for a few masters ive tried limiters clippers on the 2 bus post fader, distorted and ruined tracks for years, but top down is brutal and the hardest esp incorp mid side, but you get there and it gives diff results, best to be original in music for survival i guess that goes for mixing music too, its a fantastic art for sure and thanks david for all the passion your channel has given me in my journey on the yellow brick road, confident to tackle my ideas now, happy days, peace

TRUTH! ONLY TRUTH!!

New subscriber here, you really deserved it!

You are the best teacher

Absolute truth! GoAT

It makes perfect sense 👍🏼

I don't want to blow smoke up your arse, but I became a fan of this channel, because I got so much out of your early compression series, and still go and reference it periodically. As a result, some of the plugins I went on to buy (AP 2500, MJUC, etc), were, I admit, influenced by what I discovered on this channel. I don't do this full time, so my progress has been laboured, to say the least, but the lesson that really rammed home, from watching, was, 'I didn't know shit of any depth'. So, wisely, I backed off from thinking of myself as knowledgeable. I'm learning. That said, over time, ears develop, mixes improve, and you begin to hear better. I've gone from mixes that were loaded with plugins, across the board, to mixes where I tried to limit myself to minimal mix compression, on the tracks or the mixbus. I've tried nothing on the mix bus. I've tried 'Rear bus compression'. Parallel compression. EQ's on the mixbus. I've mixed into a limiter, then removed it for print, and added it back during mastering. I used to have similar views, and follow certain patterns, I used to think, this is what you have to do - bullshit. One of the best mixes I've ever done, was the one where I said, 'OK, this time you've got imagine you're in a studio with only two compressors and desk EQ, one reverb and one delay. It's not that I think that's the way forward, it's just that, by limiting both your pallette and you process, you end up having to get a great balance, use your ears, and think about what you are trying to do. When it works, it's liberating

A lot of wisdom in this video 🙏🏼

The concept of "there are no rules" used to really mess me up when it comes to engineering. I thought it applied more to the creative process, but there are rules there as well. Back in college, our professor would say that all of the time, but he would throw in the "there are some rules, kinda" on occasion, but the focus seemed to be on lack of rules, which only complicated things for me so I developed bad habits. Thanks to guys like you (and Warren Huart at Produce Like A Pro), I have received so many clarifications and corrections that I've needed lol Big THANK YOU for that! I agree with this video 100%!!!!!

A video about andy wallace mixes will be so cool analyzing them and trying getting close to his sounds

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

It'd be 124345 years long lol If I start something like that it would never end

No magic technique will save the non-skilled, I remember you talked about this about a year ago, that saying "rules are made to be broken" is a cop-out and I still agree. Doing things "just because" is also something you shouldn't do wether it's a rule or not.

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

yep!

Yeah took me a year to find out fl puts a limiter on wondered why my mixes sounded pants you live and learn 😂 great vids by the way dude 👍

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

The dreaded default template with the limiter..

Absolutely agreed on parallel EQ, unless you are going for a very specific phase trick! As for mixing with a limiter, I have a different perspective. It can certainly be a crutch and isn't something everyone should do but I think it's extremely valuable and almost necessary for many of us. Here's why.... The fact that virtually all modern music will see a limiter before being released is a given. Modern music is often incredibly loud and different genres have fairly specific loudness levels that are expected. If you mix, without keeping in mind how loud the final, mastered material will be, it's very likely that mastering will dramatically alter the balances, dynamics, transient response and even tonality of your mix. When we spend a great deal of time carefully crafting and balancing these elements, the last thing we want is for mastering to dramatically alter what everyone has approved. Mixing into a limiter, set so that the final output is roughly as loud as it will need to be after mastering allows you to hear how your mix will actually sound and allow you to mix for that result. Sometimes that means your snares (for example) are hitting harder and triggering the limiter in a way that you would't if the limiter wasn't there and it's what creates the impact and desired result in the final result. Most importantly, mixing into a limiter allows you to understand how your balances (Room tones, reverbs and other low level material in particular ), dynamics and transients will be affected and let you adjust them in the real world context so that those balances don't change because of the limiter. The second reason it's helpful to mix into a limiter is so you can create a mix that requires less destructive limiting. A track that is too dynamic and requires "shoe horning" into submission to get it to be as loud as it needs to be, will often suffer on many fronts, including loss of dynamic impact, change in balances and the addition of unwanted distortion. Mixing into a limiter allows you to watch the reduction and adjust the individual elements and busses of your mix so that the limiter doesn't have to do quite as much heavy lifting. Essentially, you are preparing your mix for the final limiter, ensuring that the mastering engineer can get it up to level with as little effort as possible. The final reason it's helpful to mix into a limiter is because most clients expect to hear and give notes on a mix that is relatively close to their reference material in terms of loudness. If they send us a super loud rough and send us a super loud modern track as a reference, if we send back an unlimited, extremely dynamic mix, we probably just lost the gig (I know of it happening many times). That means sending the client a "loud ref" during the revision process and that's what they are usually approving. Of course we don't want to tie the hands of the mastering engineer so what I do is get my balances and tones in my mix and then put on a limiter. I will then mix with that limiter on for the second half of the mix and occasionally turn it off to check balances without it as well. When creating deliverables for mastering, I take the limiter off but also send my limited "loud ref" so they know what the client was listening to and approved. This gives them a benchmark so they can make sure to make it sound pretty much the same or slightly better, and I also send a screen shot of my limiter settings so they can pick up where I left off rather than spending time getting back there, if it's helpful to them. So again, it's not necessarily something everyone should be doing in every scenario but for a lot of us it's standard, for very practical reasons.

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

All you need is to understand crest factor. And you won't need one for any of those reasons, but this is just me.

@ashchubbly

2 жыл бұрын

@@mixbustv That “crest factor” statement would have ended this whole discussion in Video 1 of 2 of this topic

Just finished watching this. You could totally start dropping podcast-like episodes every so often similar to Sonic Scoop and it would very entertaining to listen to while also learning new things, You and Dan Worrall are my favorite when it comes to objectivity. Also, David, do your courses feature anything with mixing hip hop bass/808 and kicks? Or a low end mixing fundamentals guide of any sort? If so, I’m gonna purchase it and check it out from your professional perspective. Thank you!

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, the best for you would be my hip hop full course (with files to download) on PMA bit.ly/2RHF5AA

@MerajTypeBeat

2 жыл бұрын

@@mixbustv Thank you so much! I will definitely purchase this and check it out this weekend when I’m off from work 🙏🏽💯🔥

Well said!!!

Bigup yuself yute! True Words.

Im of the opinion that in music or any creative art for that matter, the end always justifies the means. So if an music artist, mix engineer, etc, achieves what they hear in their head, then how they got there doesnt really matter. Its definitely important to know certain rules of a craft, but knowing when, how and why to break them is also important and valid. At the end of the day, mixing is a series of many small problems being solved which add up to form the bigger picture, so youre right in saying that the limiter on the 2buss wont make or break the track.

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Why everyone comment about the rules when that video is not even out yet? lol this wasn't about that

produce, mix, master, wipe the floor 💀

Great and honest video as any of yours :). "there are no rules". or Rules are there to break when it benefits the song.I would say. Ut yeah a Lead "Rule " for a mixing process or mastering process is needed. And yes I agree with you with the Limiter. That depends in what stage the song is ..is it in mixing stage or in mastering stage and even in mastering where many times a Limiter is used (also again depending the music style "Rule") I would say the best Limiter is the Ears and brain who tell if it needs a Limiter or not. :). cheers. :)

Well said!

Incredible video! I see this all the time and hate it.

I tried mixing into a limiter once as an experiment and the mix felt ok. I turned the limiter off and the balance was so far off it was crazy. the snare was so loud it nearly killed people that listed to it haha

So is it better to have a good ear or better techniques. I love your scientific explanations.

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Ideally you want both. Is like talent. Without hard work ain't gonna go far..

Your comment about Guitar distortion reminded me of this...Fuzz was originally an effect to make Guitars "sound like" Horns (as in Brass) I know for sure as my mixes have gotten better I am getting there despite some of my processes, obviously I am trying to identify which ones, but I know and assume they are there

This is so true. Maybe you should shout out some other KZread channels that offer good technical information. There are some great engineers out there. As always, thanks for your work, David! Best wishes - Tim

@mixbustv

3 ай бұрын

I'm sure there are some, I honestly don't have time to watch youtube, I don't know who's out there

So - the first time I heard about putting a limiter on the 2 bus was when I was learning stuff in a studio in London donkey's years ago, in the days of tape and outboard, aka pure analog. I couldn't get my head around why the engineer was doing this, and why the sound didn't change. So I kept an eye on the meter - and it didn't move at all. So ok, whatever floats your boat!

yeah, i´ve heard some incomplete/bad/nonsense advice coming from big name pros. but i learned really quick not to say anything because you´ll get SO MUCH HATE. people want to believe what they want to believe. so let them blindly copy/paste the same mistakes and let them wonder why their mixes still sound crap. i´ve gotten pretty jaded over the years over that stuff.

yeah like those explaining daw sound different... hehe fire started

Great video! Can't wait for the follow up video about there being no rules. What's that all about? I busted my ass trying to learn "the rules" and now I hear there aren't any? I think one must first learn the rules in order to break them.

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Oh it's coming :D and it's fun

The only moment I use a Limiter on the mix bus is when I get tracks recorded by other people to mix them and I don't know how loud they are before doing a proper gain staging. I use it as a "saver" for my equipment. Once I have done a proper gain staging the limiter goes out of the mix bus.

Genius and the nail on the head was he scene from "True Detectives". :-))

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Matthew is my fav lol

Totally agree! I even saw some guy who has an amazing analog gear which sounds extremely great then he f*cked the hell out of the track with a bad use of a multi-band compressor...and it turned out to be very very boring!!! It felt like mixing with no vision or feel for what you want to achieve!

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Real alpha chad engineers mix into a clipper.

I might be the odd one out here but I DO mix into a limiter, however with no gain and a ceiling set to -.03. It's purely there as a safeguard in case I get over zealous then I can go back, find out what is too hot and deal with it.

It's easy to forget that it's sound "engineering". It was a science long before it was an art. People undoubtedly exist who can be given a studio full of tools they don't understand and instinctively get great results, but they're few and far between. The rest of us should learn the rules so that we know when to break them.

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

🙏🙏🙏

I know everyone has their own opinions, but for me and what's logical to me; I really agree with David on this one. Not because I'm trying to jump on his band wagon, but I always agreed with that. I mean, for me when it comes to mixing, it's about getting all the sound elements to sit in the mix, shaping frequencies, getting all the dynamics and harmonics sounding right for the mix. I know there is a lot more involved, but that's basically what your doing the most. For me, I use a limiter on the (master fader) when comes to "Mastering" a mix.

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you and it's not jumping on the band wagon, if most people here agree is because we covered the subject many times on the channel. I actually understand why people is confused when there is even a default FL studio templates that come with a limiter om the 2bus 🤷

@DjRuthful

2 жыл бұрын

@@mixbustv wow, I didn't know that about the FL studio template. I only used FL for a short time back in the days. Like I said, for me it's how I do it and how it's logical and correct to me. I respect other people's opinions, because not everyone does it the same.

The way I have interpreted the "no rules" thing is this: Always ALWAYS learn the fundamentals, the dos and don'ts, and once you have a strong concept of what not to do, experiment and see what happens. I think the no rules thing really should be an idea for people who have a studious background in mixing. Rules and guidelines are most helpful to beginners and as you develop your ear you can get away with doing things that are "not correct" as long as it sounds good and the mix is legit.

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Why everyone is commenting on the no rules thing! 😄😄

@MrNEWDY

2 жыл бұрын

@@mixbustv because most KZreadrs say there are no rules after listing a ton of rules and guidelines lmao you have people shook haha.

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, you know why? Because saying that is VERY popular and people will love you for saying it, well, many people will. But you're not teaching anything useful when you do that. Think how silly this would be: you come here looking for information on how to mix it what compressor to use or what settings, whatevs, and I reply to you "There are no rules, use your ears". Now that might be the case in some things, and it is the case in some things in mixing for sure, but after the 5th time I answer you that way, wouldn't you start guessing "mh.. this guy actually doesn't know shit and he just hides behind that line?" I rather be unliked by some but do my best to teach the right way (what in my heart feel like it's the right way, coming from years of experience and study) to do things.

advices on this channel are great man, people on the internet always complain unfortunately... so maybe i should remove that loudness chain on my mix bus 😅😅

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Well not necessarily :D if you're not sending out to master then do whatever works for you man! I just try to teach best practices lol

I feel like this video should also have a DO section in the end. What DO you recommend mixing with? A clipper?

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Whatever you want to mix with. Some people uses long chains and some people just a compressor or nothing. You would use a clipper if you like the sound of it, again, not to bring up level or to avoid clipping the 2bus.

Hi! I love your videos. Have you done a whole video on the parallel eq / phase shift topic? I would be very interested in this in more depth…

@mixbustv

4 ай бұрын

I've done probably 3 since I was probably the one starting the whole discussion like 8 years ago. A search on the channel and you'll find them

@peppercrybeatz

4 ай бұрын

@@mixbustv thanks! 🙏

Something I've learned, and try to have some faith in, is that there isn't a right way to write, produce or mix - I get what you are saying of course, that objectively there are processes that can be described as wrong and might make life a little easier if that 'wrongness' was identified, but in practice - you have to figure out your way of getting over the line, if what you are doing is producing a great result - then what is right and wrong becomes academic.

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

"if you're producing great results" is a big caviat :D

i try not use a lot of limiters because it may not leave the mastering engineer a lot flexibility to make necessary changes to the final mastered song

(I haven’t seen the original vid where you talked about this, just making an observation) I saw a vid of Andrew Scheps where he mixed with a limiter on the 2bus. He gave a specific reason, where he said he used it to tuck the drums (snare specifically) in and get some length out of the snare. I’d be interested to hear your thoughts about that. I mix with a safety limiter at the end, but I keep my levels low so that it’s actually not doing anything, and I write/produce/mix/master etc my own stuff, so it’s easier to just keep it on there for when I finally do use it at the very end of everything. I use Andrew Scheps’ limiter trick, but with a limiter on the drum bus instead of the 2bus. And of course I use my ears, so that I’m not killing the thing. I think it’s funny how sometimes 1db just feels extreme and then other times 4 db feels like I’m barely doing anything. Anyway, I appreciate your thoughts and love your vids. I’m a complete noob still, so everything helps! Whenever I hear “there are no rules” I just think, Well then how about we run the whole mix through a 5150? That’s not against the rules, right???? Oh, and as far as parallel eq goes: I once tried parallel multiband compressing with Waves C4. I have never once tried parallel multiband compression since lol. It was on the drum bus, and I was like, Where the heck did the kick drum go?? Lol. Never again.

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

You're a smart guy. Yes using it on the drum bus, or better on the snare channel/sum (if working on the snare is the only thing you want) is much better than using it on the 2bus, which is not a "trick" :D Limiters handle much better quick and simple audio events like a snare rather than complex material, so the sum of everything AND the peak that 's triggering the limiting. Yet just like you noticed, every time is a surprise. Now, while I do use limiter on single channels, that includes snare a times, I very much prefer clippers and saturators because, picking the right one(s) you can control the nominal level/peak while not only preserving the perceived loudness, but some times increasing it (which in turn will allow to turn that level even lower is you so wish). Limiters, specifically a couple, I use when the sample or the recording (talking about snares and kicks) are just too spitty and spikey, those specific limiter help dulling those sounds a bit while also bringing up some tail, altho' transient designers and parallel compression are better tools for that. 5150 comment: exactly, right? Yep multiband parallel is basically a nightmare. Hope this helps

This seems pretty common sense. EQ introduces phase differences which will hollow out the sound.

I only apply a limiter late in the project when doing a test-mixdown - and then just to bring up LUFS a bit so that it's testable on headphones connected to a phone. If I had it on all the time, I'd have to constantly be sure not to hit it too hard, and go to and from it all the time to be sure. A waste of time, and it'll just make a project more complicated than it needs to be.