Mixing a Song with the Waves Abbey Road Vinyl Plugin
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Watch mixing engineer Dave Darlington (Avicii, Sting) as he goes through the Vinyl plugin step by step and shows how he uses it to add the unique sonic qualities of a vinyl record-punch, warmth, cohesion-to a digitally recorded song. Learn more: www.waves.com/vinyl
00:00 General overview
04:29 Quick tour of the plugin’s controls
11:26 Using the plugin (piano/vocal verse): Lacquer vs. Print; TG desk; choice of turntables and cartridges
14:36 Full-band chorus & bridge: more on the above controls
21:15 Adding wow and flutter
22:29 Phase distortion section
23:50 Tone arm location’s impact on the sound
25:17 Slow-down/stop mechanism
26:53 Recap of various plugin controls
Music: "Crazy Under the Moon" by Jacob Jeffries
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In order for an A/B comparison like this to be effective, the two states being compared (eg engaged & bypassed) must be switched as quickly as possible and without pause or interruption.
Oh man... listening here with my Neumann NHD 20 headphones I can FEEL that old vinyl emotion (there's no other way to describe it - I'm 61 and I grew up with vinyl for the longest time).. this somehow recreates that. Unlike many younger folk who may not have that memory and emotion, once you hit the Vinyl plugin in its various settings my heart skips a Huge beat... No idea what it is. Just does. I have lived so long now in the digital world now with my recording, composing for stage, album and film... this surprised me emotionally and sonically... It's a great option to have. Geoff Pesche mastered my last 2016 album at Abbey Road so I was fascinated by this and wanted to see what the hype's about. Well, it's real... so real that it wakes/shakes my memory... that's a good test surely. Thanks for this Dave Darlington... Mark Chan Singapore
I bought this program but didn’t use it and just let it sit in my computer for about a year. Been experimenting with it now that I have my new studio set up. I absolutely love this! It doesn’t sound like anything else. It’s not quite a compressor, and it’s not quite tape. Now I get why people love the sound of vinyl albums so much. It brings everything together and gives your mix a warm “human” character, Like listening to your music in a club. I plan to be using this a lot when I want that vintage sound in my mixes.
Dave is my favorite Waves tutor. Very detailed and explains real-world application and usage of their plugins.
EVERY DJ that produces needs to watch this!!
Great tutorial for adding Vintage vinyl effects to your entire projects.
Just bought this plugin. An excellent demo of this plugin. He also re- educates me on hearing the sounds my 76 year old ears have forgotten after years of hearing loud mp3 digital music.
You know, as a little kid, I remember seeing a Beatles documentary & just seeing them track those classic records has always etched a love for music production in my mind..It's amazing now that that same power is available to some extent in my own studio through Waves. Shoutout to Waves & Abbey Road Studios & EMI for this Project!
what a fantastic lesson from a fantastic teacher - I not only learned about the plugin itself but also the history and the behinds the scenes processes related to vinyl. it is so much of a richer education than a step-by-step only interested in the final product, e.g. learning the tendencies of a physical vinyl and how that became a useful feature of its own, etc. thank you so much for this!
Thank you, Dave, for that demonstration. I've had this plugin for close to a year now. I finally know when and were to best use it!
Really well presented. I appreciated the way the speaker took me through the benefits and I will really give purchase consideration because of it.
Excellent detail in this step by step. Well done Dave!
This is one of my favorite videos n plug ins, honestly. Humbling to learn the different dynamics. And u can hear the difference . Glad I got it!! Thnx fr all the great insight Dave!! 🙏🙏🙏
Been wanting this plugin for over a yr and just loaded and immediately started using it in my mix.I absolutely love it!🗽♥️📼
Большое уважение инженерам Waves за их работу🙂👍
Thanks Dave, what an amazing explanatory video, made with love and dedication. And just like with the J37 and the Abbey Road Saturator, you can get all kinds of sounds out of this box, it is pretty mindboggling.
Such a fascinating recreation
A very elegant demonstration thank you!
it really takes it out of the studio and into an actual song you'd hear on cd/radio/etc
A truly great plugin, and a thorough yet enjoyable review.
This mix is so much better than the final release on itunes! Much more open, its a great song and production is very cool!! Seriously considering this plug now! Sounds great, Waves coming out with another great plug is no surprise!
This is great stuff. Looking very seriously at getting this whole Abbey Road Collection. This particular plugin is quite a highlight for sure. Nice job ppl. Look forward to trying out the demo tonight.
masterpiece of plugin!!!!!! this live in the end of my masterchain!!! is ridicolous the definition in the sides and mono stuff gluing like charm ...
this plugin is INCREDIBLE. Made a huge difference on my masters. I was very skeptical at first, but I advise all of you guys to buy this plug in.
@AveMcree
7 жыл бұрын
is this plugin a resource hog? Is good on the CPU/RAM?
@esoteric6178
7 жыл бұрын
Ave Mcree no it isn't.
@MarcoTorrance
6 жыл бұрын
You're my bro, bro? =D
@808j3
6 жыл бұрын
Mic Torrance they all are...lol
@808j3
6 жыл бұрын
One day we will make tracks and enjoy digital for digital without thinking about the past to sound design.
Wow, So nice to ear a expert explain the potential of the a VST
Remarkable. Dave thanks for pointing out many of the vinyl imperfections and why this plugin is necessary if you plan on mastering then outputting to vinyl.
A great plugin and a great tutorial..thnx Dave !
Fantastic review, thank so much sir.
Very nice Dave. I felt I have learn a little about the plugin.
Dave is a great teacher
The phase distortion is worth the price of the plugin alone...it really works great!!! 5 stars waves!!!!
Beautiful. Thank you
Just bought this plugin - sounds great 👍
Great run lesson, thanks great plugin.
thanks for the post!
Why do these reviewers always feel the need to speak between bypassed and enabled playbacks...
@philfyphil
7 жыл бұрын
Why is there someone always looking for the negative?
@quadrod
7 жыл бұрын
you are right, upon further viewing, I LOVE that he talks between bypassed and enabled playback. I was so wrong.
@willb3698
7 жыл бұрын
Me too - I also love the often found gain differences too. My Utopia is to have the demo bypassed for 2.7 seconds and then active for 1 minute. If there could be an announcement like: "and bypassed" at the specific moment of clicking, I would probably have to get up and spend a few minutes in the bathroom. That said - I find it interesting the past is not the past. It's quite a smooth plugin.
@matmurk8536
6 жыл бұрын
Quadrod you got a chuckle out of me with that last comment lol
@matmurk8536
6 жыл бұрын
Will B my feelings exactly. I especially love the play it bypassed, then talk about how it sounded bypassed for 30 seconds then play it engaged lol like I remember how it sounded 30 seconds ago
There are a ton of tape plug-ins that all seem to shine in different ways, but this vinyl plug-in seems to be unique. It's not something you're going to use on everything but when you need it boy is it good at what it does. I was trying to get some old-school brass hits a couple weeks ago and everything I tried either made them too bright or too lifeless. A little vinyl emulation was able to make them pop right out of the mix without sounding like needles through my eardrums, especially once they went through master bus compression. It's definitely worth demoing on a few different scenarios.
Thank you mane 💯
Makes the song powerful, bright and wider! Nothing absolutely nothing sounds like vinyl records.Nothing absolutely nothing sounds like tape! For these and many more reasons there's a quest for the past! Have fun!!
MHDB start again and come back...Great stuff - wish I was at your level of needs for total mix - very nice
Very nice!
This is the slickest thing Waves has ever released as far as I'm concerned. Had it since it was released. Wishlist for this is parallel wet/dry mix with phase matching to nullify the wow and drift and modulation options for the tonearm say an LFO to assign some movement to the tonearm itself. A V2 would be awesome for this. That and maybe implementing something like the SKnote cutter functionality which I also have into it as well. Used to DJ bass music on vinyl and the experience is lost on newer listeners. This puts a lot of that type of funk back into a mix. A copper vs nickel plating option as well to emulate the different plating techniques and sonic alterations of those would be icing on the cake as well as these affect the general aura of a vinyl process as well but that's maybe excessive.
This sold me... and I did not want to be sold! Haha. Also sold me on this artist. I love this song and the arrangement.
@kensmechanicalaffair
3 жыл бұрын
It's automatic with me and waves and I really don't understand my romance.
VERY NICE!!!! #WOW
thank you
I like your room and all devices:)
Thank You )
cool bridge
OK, nice demo, but you can't play one example, and then pause, talk, then play another example, and expect to fully hear the difference. You HAVE to A B in quick succession to hear the subtle nuances, of a plugin of this nature. I am a mastering engineer, and it's "in out" back and forth with eyes closed that allows you to hear the subtle differences between the changes made. Love your enthusiasm, but I will have to demo this one for myself, as I cannot efficiently evaluate the nuances from your demo. No disrespect intended, but if you're going to take the time to make a video of a plugin intended for mastering, you can't listen to instance of the signal chain, take a slight break, and then listen to another, and make a fair comparison. Still, I appreciate your effort and intention.
@nandoblondemobydick5438
7 жыл бұрын
i´m OK with you, but if you are a mastering engineer you should demo by yourself, cause it is hard to believe that you will be trust on a you tube demo or better said advert
@basswolf86
5 жыл бұрын
Or train your ear? I have frequency loss in one ear but when going back over the examples I can hear the nuances.
great video. i really wish my ears could hear these subtle types of plugins a little bit better. i can just barely hear the differences but its tough. great job tho :)
Вот это крутяк-побольше таких обзоров плагинов !!!
@user-tp9sk5rm6t
7 жыл бұрын
Сам пользуюсь этими плагинами-доволен как слон )
@SyntheticBrain
7 жыл бұрын
@Валера, Валера! Яростно плюсую!
I wish it could ramp back up to speed when you pushed play after the slow down stop. Am I missing a feature?
So beautiful. But, I wish you guys would make a Gold Star Studios reverb. Get me some Phil Spector vibes up in the house!
@apolloc.vermouth5672
7 жыл бұрын
I don't think the actual chamber still exists? Would be awesome though
@michaelangeloh.5383
7 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about an echo-chamber in the actual Gold Star Studios?... As far as I can find, it has been completely gone since 1984. I guess you could go with the Abbey Road plates...
I love using this, just need to understand how to use it better.
I was actually interested but I have a quite extensive library of recorded vinyl noises...
Can this plug-in emulate the difference of " noise surface " between " Direct Metal Mastering " and " Lacquer " process ? it's a very great idea, of course it's a taste of vinyl but not the real thing, but can help to make the sound more open and vivid, when need.
So this plugin is on sale, normally it's $249 but today it's $29., Beautiful.
@rosegold-beats
6 жыл бұрын
its like that everyday xD
It's hard to believe someone had the patience to make that plug in.
@2:19 - So, Mike Myers used to be a studio engineer?
Need to switch back and forth without breaks to hear the differences…..please
😍😍
Didn't know Jack Klompus was a Mix engineer!
have no idea how to use it in my track... as send effect??? ehhmmmm help pls
Anybody know what reverb time is used on the lead vocal 12:12? I love the sound. My best guess is a 1/8 delay?
@Liftedtrucks909
4 жыл бұрын
@@erypto4135 thx!
Definitely should of been Bypassing/Enabling back to back to hear the difference lol
So, essentially if I want to hear how my mix might translate to vinyl then this would be useful? Say if I move the tonearm towards the middle or end of the record, does it replicate the loss of high end?
@ddaneh3090
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he shows that parameter somewhere in the middle of the vid.
Hey i have a question when i start a mastering session when i import a reference track i always see the reference track have two mono tracks grouped into one track but mines only have 1 track how do i get my track to look like there's?
@TheUnperson
7 жыл бұрын
Sounds like your master is mono and the reference track is stereo? Are you exporting in stereo?
Where should it be placed in the plugin chain? (should this come before or after other plugins?)
@TheRTM
4 жыл бұрын
Ian Macbeth I get that it should be placed on the master buss, but where on the master bus (I’m asking what position:) Should it be the first on the chain or the last?
this one is for mix or master?
Besides making cool plugins, Waves has become very adept at taking all of my money. LOL
So are they suggesting to use a 50€ plugin on a mix recorded with mics, preamps and compressors worth a few thousend Euro? Also I can not hear any difference between active and bypassed effect.
that plugin will replace my Uad Studer A800 vst on Vocals!!! I like vinyl more than tape becouse the effect is less obvious and more natural !!!! :)
Guys , do you think that we can obtain same vinyl tone by doing compression on other plugins ?
@ENOTEPD007
7 жыл бұрын
Amir Bennasr kit
@mostlyharmless88
7 жыл бұрын
Learn what compression is first.
@amirbennasr5030
7 жыл бұрын
upstartmike can you do it for me?
Ever get the feeling you were being conned?
@ModulerDrone
5 жыл бұрын
Yes I always do... but I actually use these kinds of plugins to abuse audio when I demo them just to see if there is placebo or not, and they do something that nothing else does. Like the wow and flutter of this is amazing. Similar to Kramer tape this plugin quite an creative effect. I don't usually put them on the masters and be done with
OK, so you finish your mix & master using this thing to get what you feel is the real vinyl "sound". then your record is a big hit and demand for vinyl comes along so how will this affect your vinyl pressing... positively or negatively?
@mnmlbaez
7 жыл бұрын
Very good question!
@thegreatsiberianitch
7 жыл бұрын
Theron Kaye you deactivate the plug-in and click render again :P... unless you wants to makes hot hot party double vinyls!!!
@RiversGarcia
6 жыл бұрын
You would leave this plugin out of your master if you're printing to vinyl. The real vinyl would impart the characteristics you're after. You could still use some effects of the plugin, I'm sure, but you probably wouldn't want to add the crackle and noise as an effect if you're cutting real vinyl.
@grudgetank3127
6 жыл бұрын
give it a try
6:30
that's funny...@ 11:42 he clearly mentions the artist (Jacob Jeffrys) based out of Miami (his home town) and song 'Crazy under the Moon'. you kids put your phones down and pay attention in class...geez (!) ...you're never gonna learn nothin!
@michaelangeloh.5383
7 жыл бұрын
"You're never gonna learn ANYTHING." Go back to school.
So you are using a digital plugin to add "unique sonic qualities" of an analog source?
@BoomBoomBoom..
3 жыл бұрын
Were you sent in a time machine from 1980 and just get here?
6:28 - Excuse you?...
I thought the song sounded better with the plugin bypassed every time. Listening through my HD800's the stereo width and separation got lessened and just a lot of information was lost. It sounded overall a lot less open with the plugin engaged. May be useful for individual tracks but for a whole mix I couldn't see myself finding it complimentary. Very comprehensive video though, well done.
song name please Waves
@waves
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Adam. The song is Crazy Under the Moon by Jacob Jeffries
@antiphones
7 жыл бұрын
Yeh honestly you should put that info in the credits at the start or end of the video, it's only fair on the band.
@FriedrichHabetlerMusic
7 жыл бұрын
Dude watch the Video he says the name of the song and it's at the end. You must have watched the video to hear the song?
If a turntable ever made that much wow and flutter I’d either get it repaired or replaced, if the vinyl had that much crackle and pops I’d clean it properly or if need be replace it….just saying like……
Just bought Abbey Road. Think it's great. Off the subject...why are music engineers mostly using pro tools? I use studio one pro. 3.5.5...it seems as good and much easier...simpler,quicker...with same results...Thanks
@quarkyzarky
6 жыл бұрын
I used to think that, was a big S1 fan from V2 into V3. Then I got Pro Tools 12 HD with ICON and never looked back. FTR all those fast/quick things in S1 are/were already in PT but hidden behind keyboard shortcuts (Shift,alt,windows,ctrl) things like assigning multi outputs at once (to loads of selected tracks), inserting plugs in multi tracks, bypassing all plugs, selected plugs, plugs only in slot 2 etc.. .this is ALL actually far faster than S1 once you know it. Even setting up busses/auxes is very quick (not drag/drop and auto setup no BUT it's actually very powerful/flexible as it is in PT and takes seconds once you're used to it aand then select tracks - hold keys - assign bus to all selected tracks). Audio editing is even MORE fast in PT vs S1, again some keyboard stuff is super rapid for copy to cursor pos etc. Automation (inc practice, snapshots and much more is not only more advanced in PT but faster to use esp with the amazing D-Command/ICON surface - S1 has nothing even close to that kind of hardware - CS18ai is trash, faderport 8/16 is a toy and studio live 24/32 is a joke vs a real analog feeling mixer like D-Command - hey it cost £12-£24k on release but you can pick them up cheap now for £1500 for main unit - worth it). Lastly, the mixing is MUCH faster and clearer in PT, with or without hardware control mixer, because you get that amazing overall workview of ALL inserts/sends at once on screen and you can mix from the edit window, no need for the 'mix window' at all. In S1 you have to do half of it in the mixer and loads of left/right scrolling, can never see all inserts/plugs at once. Believe me I was a raving fanboy for studio one (coming from cubase which S1 destroys) but after PT I realised I'd been an inverse snob all my life assuming it was old fashioned and lacking vs S1, but actually it's far better except for drag drop but I barely even touch anything like that using D-Command anyway - much better. Freeze also works better in PT to freeze a track and unfreeze, inc just up to a certain plug-in, and rapid to do/undo. Bouncing is also much faster then S1, CPU usage is better than S1 and frankly my mixes sound much better in PT (probably because I use 'heat' which is like console shaper in S1 but tape - and BETTER). That is why I use PT and why people have continued to use it, HD version, 12+ is as good now as anything out there for audio, recording, editing... it only lacks a bit in MIDI (but so does S1 vs cubase) but more than good enough for most needs. Oh and PT never crackles or locks up, S1 would crackle opening a browser etc (am on an 8700k here!) but PT is solid. Long reply but hopefully will put questions like this to rest. All that glitters is not gold, S1 has a long way to go to surpass the actual mixing workflow of PT 12 HD/2018. S1 has a lot of cool ideas but nothing that really is needed for proper mixing, just 'nice to have'. PT is just more powerful.. .when you know how, and why.
@murraywebster1228
2 жыл бұрын
@@quarkyzarky ever tried Cubase, it’s really 21st century
The singer's voice seems the same as Passenger has.
10:17 =O
If I want Vinyl (and I do), I'll buy it! Do I wand a CD that "sounds" like vinyl? Sure thing... that's why I have a $2000 turntable...
The song: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oIif2c2uZ7uff9o.html
Just going to give you a thumbs up on this, (workflow) too much like a dog chasing his tail for me, next there's going to be a plugin that emulated burning CDs
@matmurk8536
6 жыл бұрын
jmac2050 lol could you imagine?
@publika6883
6 жыл бұрын
Well, cd is a digital format and it doesn't really add any colour or warmth to the sound, therefore it'd be kind of pointless to emulate a CD burner
@mikelee1906
6 жыл бұрын
A 1904 Victrola is next! And their will always be people who will buy it.
@martysquire1054
5 жыл бұрын
dont need to its digital burning a cd. aspergers enuf?
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listened on head phones, Daves vocal level too loud, couldn't even listen to it. Have to tear the headphones off.
Am I the only one who hears bass hit studios and thinks oh yeah this guy loves to free base. At least in the 80s this dude was smoking Coke..
Waves like your wallet with your money. Be careful always ask yourself do u really need that. We're going digital so accept that and move on leave the past behind. Some said vinyl is more clearer than digital, but I don't think so. It could be that vinyl records sound more natural but not clearer. So choice is yours I stick with digital
I don't hear NOTHING. Fools.
@nikolaudio
3 жыл бұрын
that means you hear everything, if you do not hear nothing. Fool
Bored of rock used as demos!
@joelizquierdo
6 жыл бұрын
Ama Zeus I love rock and roll.
First 5 minutes is like the first minute, repeated 4 times.... and its quite obvious this person is reading a script that just doesn't reassure me of anything being said... probably will buy anyways after kramer tape :D
It'd be a cold day in hell before a plug-in could replace a physical unit. NO algorithm is able to do this.
@michaelangeloh.5383
7 жыл бұрын
Must be hell living in ignorance. You sound exactly like someone who saw a television for the first time.
Very interesting plugin - will have to try it out. The song though was monumentally awful lol - truely bland and just sickly, and the voice treatment was laughable.
stop talking between bypass and plugin ... this video makes no sense if you talk all over!
Nobody remembers what it sounded like 30 seconds ago. Stop talking and just A/B between settings or bypass.
Song kinda sucks, but the plugin seems cool LOL😂