I purchased a fully kitted out RetroCastle dual ram with lots of add-ons. Never thought I'd buy a 2nd MiSTer because of how much it set me back. Now it's looking like I'll be able to replace a Retropi with this clone in a DIY arcade. VERY exciting times.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yes. The time for backup setups is coming

@Wobble2007

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica I'm gonna be able to get one to use as a dedicated OSSC Pro Dexx as well, which is dope, and I'd love to build a MiSTer table-top arcade with a 14" 15/24Khz CRT.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I need a 24khz CRT still. Damn medium resolution light gun games

@Wobble2007

Ай бұрын

​@@VideoGameEsoterica Elusive at this point, I just got a rebranded Philips CM8833-MKII (Akorn Visto), a 14" 15/24Khz Dual-Scan), a small but beautiful monitor, razor sharp scan-lines for 240p and 384p, I want to use it for the MiSTer Sharp X6800, Amiga, DOS cores, and the multi-res Arcade games, those amazing GBS-C or the GBS-8100 boards can enable a standard 240p CRT to handle 24Khz though, it just transcodes 24Khz signals to 15Khz in real time (to 240p or 288p) and it does it flawlessly without any black screen hanging et cetera, great for using something like a nice big D-Series as an arcade monitor.

He could use a different barrel connector than what is used on DE-10 builds for people who will own both. Honestly a basic part of electronics is looking at the voltage and polarity of the input DC barrel jack before you plug things in.

@emmettturner9452

Ай бұрын

Well, he clarified that it will accept 5v or 12v through the DC jack so it needs to be able to fit the existing 5v PSUs. Perhaps he could get a 12v PSU with a smaller inner diameter and a jack that still fits the 5.5x2.5mm 5v PSUs with a smaller center pin.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Seems like the Jack will have to be soldered by the buyer

@emmettturner9452

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica I don’t know about that. He said the header would be unpopulated… not the footprint for the header. It’s possible he meant that you would have to populate the header footprint by soldering but he hasn’t actually said that as far as I can see. I may have said otherwise in the past but after going back and re-reading exactly what he said I can no longer assume he means soldering a header as opposed to just plugging into one.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I understood it from discord as hand solder your connection if you want it

@emmettturner9452

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica Is Taki in the discord or was it someone reading and possibly misinterpreting the same tweets as me? I can see where making custom cables for the header to support weirder setups could require crimping/soldering too but he said it would include a 5v cable of some kind. That would be weird if there isn’t a place to plug it in.

thank you for breaking this down instead of me piecing together via twitter! can't wait to scoop one for my living room!

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

That’s what I’m here for :)

Most MiSTer boards have been manufactured at a small-scale in Europe and the U.S., and the price so far reflected that. The Terasic boards they built off of were also priced up for enterprise & educational clients, so it pushed up the costs of the hardware. Taki Udon is mass-producing these in China, where parts & labor are a lot cheaper. So, it makes sense that if Terasic used to be able to produce these boards for $125, Taki could produce it for less. I’m not surprised by it going under $100 retail, but launching with that after announcing a higher price is deeply impressive.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Nobody will complain about cheaper that’s for sure

@elphive42

Ай бұрын

Oh, absolutely not - I have a whole plan for using these in dedicated per-system retro setups if they’re worth buying. (Lots of the second-generation consoles, for instance, use numpad controllers which don’t translate well to modern inputs - it would be awesome to have a dedicated system just for running those under FPGA, without having to connect and configure some dedicated method.) It’s worth price-comparing this to something like Analogue’s Pocket system. It’s well-known that they take some pretty healthy margins, and they still got a dual-FPGA architecture with a 615 ppi screen & controls for $219. With that in mind, I don’t see how a single-chip board with some pin headers and an HDMI out isn’t doable for under $100, especially if you’re looking at making it as inexpensive as possible like Taki seems to be.

Pretty excited for this. Wanted a 2nd mister, perfect opportunity. Plus this gives the entire Mister community longevity, we are no longer beholden to Intel with the DE10, in theory MiSTer can go on forever now.

That doggo looks so happy 🐶😁

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Always happy

This keeps looking more and more promising! Here's hoping it turns out great-allowing more people to get on board the MiSTer train! Choo chooooo!

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Turns out like Vermont cheddar vs Wisconsin cheddar

@METR0lD

Ай бұрын

An unholy cheese alliance. 🧀

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

No Swiss. Cause you know…unholy? 🤣

@METR0lD

Ай бұрын

Dad joke FTW.

It's very interesting that they jumped to 12 volts.... I wonder why? In general I see a lot more 3+ amp power supplies at 12 volts than at 5 volts. I'll pick one of these up. I never use the expansion boards anyways.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Cheaper parts usage most likely

@jgorres

Ай бұрын

Taki also stated the clone board was more power efficient with a 12v power supply. That would be useful when making a handheld version.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It’s a touch more efficient yes

@snintendog

Ай бұрын

5V tend to drop alot for the USB powering its unstable and AC to DC PSU are expensive and rare at high Amps needed for these USB boards.

Que buena noticia!!! Se viene mi segunda MISTER

now i can have a mister in every room.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

As one should

I bought my DE-10 nano years ago on a whim. This was pretty early on in the MiSTer's development. 128MB RAM had just been introduced. It was "only" $180 or $160 Canadian and I thought the technology was neat. Then I put it away and didn't get back to it till the end of 2022. At one point I thought I'd busted it and was balking at the their current price. Then I thought, what if I want a second? Not at current prices, that's for sure. THIS changes all that. Hell I'll buy two and give one to my brother.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yes it’ll be easier to justify additional builds in the future which is def nice

I was just catching up with all this new gaming tech stuff, as i just always deal with old game consoles and a little pc stuff, but i hadnt really had time in life to even play games for awhile and so have been out of keeping up with all this new stuff going on and im thinking of even investing in this sort of thing as ive been afraid i wont even be able to find some old games anymore from what ive been reading about recent times with all the shutting down access to old games online and physical mediums being harder to find or priced ridiculously. I just bought a modded PS3 that plays ps2 and have a line on a og xbox that ive put off buying for too long. But now ive been learning that maybe i dont even need all these old consoles, or one of every console system to be able to get and play a wide range of games as i have a mishmash of different consoles i like games for and would be amazing to just pick n choose a custom collection of games on one great emulator device. It doesn't sound like its going to be priced to the heavens, which is what i was afraid of, which was the biggest deterrent for me. Im investing in one of these!

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

You def don’t need all the old consoles any more with MiSTer. One box replaces dozens

I believe he is also working on a complete plug and play console style solution. I wonder if a lot of people will just go for that and not worry about the tower of power.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I think that’s the plan yeah

I hope Taki's consoles will have an internal Pico_Synth or at least an internal header for the MT32-Pi, ideally in the form of the 40 pin GPIO slot, but an internal I/O port for a Raspberry Pi would at least mean a nice complete MiSTer setup, imo the absolute best option for the flagship MiSTer console would be either the DIMM compute module slot, or the double header CM slots, so you can install a CM4 or CM5, imagine the functionality an 8GB CM5 would bring to a MiSTer console, from an onboard Retro-NAS drive, to a powerful audio DSP, built-in native support for MiSTerCast, support for open-source cart readers, powerful media content support, it would be a massive upgrade to the MiSTer, I can't think of a more impactful upgrade option.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Long list but good ideas

@Wobble2007

Ай бұрын

​@@VideoGameEsoterica True lol, but it really just boils down to a compute module header, and going from there, it would just open the MiSTer up to so much more functionality, the most potentially exciting of which is opening up the Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube and Xbox, plus the DS & 3DS, PSP and even the Wii, all on your MiSTer console, could be done a couple of ways, either through porting MiSTerCast to a Raspberry-Pi OS such as RGB-Pi, or perhaps via Racallbox and using the MiSTer as the GPU & RGB DAC, I actually already use Recallbox through my MiSTer via MiSTerCast on an Intel M5 CPU compute stick, which is a powerful SoC that can run all 6th gen and DS & 3DS (which looks stunning on a CRT, the Ocarina of Time 3DS remaster looks so damn good on a PVM), I have it installed internally inside my MiSTer case connected to the Blister module via one of the internal USB lines, the Intel PC stick is set to run on the network by sharing on USB 3.0 for MiSTerCast, it also has a 1TB USB SSD running as a RetroNAS drive, allowing me to add and edit games on any computer on the network, I also have tons of classic GOG PC games installed on it, games like Beyond Good & Evil and Silent Hill 2 Directors Cut (the PC Enhanced edition), Steamworld Heist look so good in 240p, I also have Roland Sound Canvas 3.2 with the official Roland XG & GS MIDI soundbanks, as well as a bunch of different synth plugins and DSP plugins, which enables you to really make the MiSTer sound incredible, you can add flanging, reverb, low-pass-filter, bass & treble EQ enhancement, properly tuned profiles for all the different consoles, you can use auto tune to really improve some of those not so great FM synth soundtracks made with GEMS for instance, or bit-crushing. I have loads of classic full-frame 4:3 TV shows loaded on it too like Tales of teh Crypt, Buffy, Ren & Stimpy and so on, so yeah, you can really do a lot with it, but I'd love an official native CM5 header and MiSTerCast version that's officially part of the MiSTer platform, some of the amazing MiSTer devs could really do some incredible things with it, imo, bringing together the best of Rapberry Pi Retro software like RGB-Pi and MiSTer together is where things should be moving towards, a hybrid powerful ARM & FPGA console could be really amazing, using FPGA for the GPU, video & audio DAC side of things will get rid of most if not all the percievable latency that traditional 6th gen soft emulators have, and be the next best thing to full-fat FPGA 6th gen console cores and hold us over for the next few years until its possible for full native FPGA 6th gen.

I'm convinced the flagship console will be a recreation PVM with LED or OLED screen and speakers. Or even a tabletop arcade machine dealy. The scaler I/O ports would serve as the throughput to another monitor or TV.

@Wobble2007

Ай бұрын

No it's a standard console format, Checkmate have already produced a recreation modern PVM monitor with built-in MiSTer, RetroTink 4K or 5X, OSSC Pro, GBS-Control boards and so on.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I’m guessing that’s not it but that’s me

@jimkincaidz

Ай бұрын

@@Wobble2007 I backed that too

@jimkincaidz

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica we'll see!

@Wobble2007

Ай бұрын

@@jimkincaidz I'd love an OLED version one day, with native rolling-scan, just having a 25" or 27" 4:3 OLED monitor with CRT grade motion clarity would be so nice to have, would be tough to recommend a CRT monitor if that was available, well if a Tandem-OLED version was available that is, as that is the only OLED I have seen that can produce the same image quality as a late gen CRT monitor.

Would love a Switch-like portable.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Not the worst form factor. We will have to wait and see

I'm curious if the clone board would work in a MiSTer Multisystem

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Ooh that I don’t know at all. But I can ask the maker

@emmettturner9452

Ай бұрын

It sounds like it would now that he’s saying the jack accepts 5v or 12v.

@Fattydeposit

Ай бұрын

Yeah it would work on an MMS. The only change would be one small internal connector cable being switched out from using Micro USB to USB-C. Best to double check with Taki as I think he'll be testing it with as many solutions as possible.

Are they available for pre order?

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Not yet

smoke test 12v. they may need to place a spot on usb board a 5v regulator

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Once it’s available I’ll test

I have a feeling there is gonna be a huge demand for this marred by supply issues! Hopefully I’m wrong.🤞

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I hope that’s not the case

USB-C on the clone is just for UART… not 12v or 5v. It replaces one of the mini-B connectors on the original DE10-Nano, which was confusing since there were two of them for different purposes.

If it's 12v, that means Mr. Pi is 2.4x more powerful than the original, right? The future is now! /s

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

🤣 nice

@RetroRockGamer

Ай бұрын

It has blast processing!

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Haha exactly

Assuming these prices hold up and the products are of decent quality, this seems like it will be a significant blow to all other MiSTer hardware sellers. I guess they could just transition to selling whatever hardware Taki doesn't. And in the end competition is a good thing for customers.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Many other makers are producing higher end IO boards now (will have a review thurs) so there’s still market space

I'm sure misteraddons could do a 12v add-on board set?

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Possibly yes

@emmettturner9452

Ай бұрын

No need when the clone supports 5v also.

Watching this develop is more drama than I ever need 😂 but it's simultaneously awesome. Taki is doing big things and rolling with the feedback. He's had pretty thick skin and overall doing great. Can't wait for these to come to life. We'll all be fine no matter what decisions he makes.

My guess is they could lower the price, by increasing production numbers from the factory. And/Or maybe some parts got cheaper-priced as well with time.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It’s still a razor thin margin price it seems

They should change the power connector to make it physically incompatible with the existing hardware then. NEVER trust users for this sort of thing. Fae too easy to make this mistake.

I don't understand what would make Taki lower the price even if he figured out a way to make it cheaper. He's absolutely COOKING and deserves to make a lot of money from his efforts.

@betweenthecolors

Ай бұрын

Could sell more units people otherwise wouldn’t have purchased.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I’m not sure either

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I think $5-10 diff isn’t going to changes anyone’s minds

@AldoInza

Ай бұрын

In anglosphere markets no but it's more like $20 to $30 effective spending price in some places.

@soloM81

Ай бұрын

its not rocket science what he is trying to do is take the whole mister market all for himself no more over price mister accessories from these venders either they adjust or go BYE BYE

So this still requires a Nano DE10? I had misunderstood then, I thought this was a clone of the DE10 we're still depending on an education kit, wish we had actual production boards with mass-sourced Cyclones. It's still early days though, FPGA has gained a lot of traction in the past few years.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Doesn’t require. This is a clone

All PCN videos, days after... Great, but don't forget, "I have a PVM, I have no clue how to play any game, but it is so much fun"

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

You realize Pixel and I are friends right? Not like you’d know the concept of people who like you 🤣

Second first!

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Sirst!? Lol

FIRST!

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yeah you are

I dunno... the more I hear about this thing the worse I feel about it. I dont know how trustworthy taki is at this point.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

I see no reason to doubt his trustworthiness personally

Third first?

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Thirst!

@draketungsten74

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica I'd better have a Sprite or something then. 😂

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

🤣

$20 for both add-ons? Kinda... Starting to feel like a "too good to be true" situation. No disrespect to Taki, if he pulls this off, he's the man. It's just so difficult to believe and to some extent even unnecessary. Hmm... Of course, if he wants to monopolize the market and instantly destroy all competition, that's a good way to do it, but I doubt there's big money in it and worth it in the end from the business stand point.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

It’s a number I am V surprised by too

@soloM81

Ай бұрын

that is the whole point alot of theses venders have been selling over price mister accessories for a while now as a consumer its good for everyone. Taki is a scumbag but a scumbag taking out other scumbags WE WIN lets hope this doesn't turn into a shit show and he tries to copyright the whole mister project like some other scumbag tried to do with mame along time ago LOL

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Yeah I’m not gonna agree with any of that. The people who develop and produce add on boards are all good people

@soloM81

Ай бұрын

​@@VideoGameEsoterica i disagree with you if you were here since day one you would know what the mister accessories were going for and it was not 65-80 bucks there is a reason Sorg tried to stop some of the scumbags as much as he could . i hope Taki sticks with the 12 volt setup so theses scumbags either adjust and lower there price OR GET THE HELL OUT either way we win as consumers. i have no pity for them like you do cutthroat is the game i understand what Taki is trying to do . iam surprised it took this long for some Chinese vender to come in

@soloM81

Ай бұрын

@@VideoGameEsoterica i disagree with you if you were here since day one you would know what the mister accessories were going for and it was not 65-80 bucks there is a reason Sorg tried to stop some of the scumbags as much as he could . i hope Taki sticks with the 12 volt setup so theses scumbags either adjust and lower there price OR GET THE FUCK OUT either way we win as consumers. i have no pity for them like you do cutthroat is the game i understand what Taki is trying to do . iam surprised it took this long for some Chinese vender to come in

Like i said before Just try jamming a USB C port into a barrel jack. I doubt noobs can figure that out. This Magic smoke crap is nonsense.

@VideoGameEsoterica

Ай бұрын

Don’t underestimate people lol. I’m half joking but also…don’t