Missing 411, Or Murdered By Moonshiners?

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Way back in 1919, before the Great Smoky Mountains had a national park, a young boy by the name of Abe Lincoln Ramsey disappeared from his family's farm in Cosby, Tennessee. What happened next really depends on who you ask, and I have to say, this was one of the worst Missing 411 stories I've ever come across; not because it's strange, but because it's a remarkably bad account of the true story.
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0:00 - Intro and Ad
3:25 - The National Park Service
8:27 - The Story of Abe Ramsey
13:55 - What Really Happened

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    @JohnMacintyre-cl5nu

    25 күн бұрын

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    24 күн бұрын

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  • @Digitalhunny

    @Digitalhunny

    24 күн бұрын

    Shame on you! (Well, you or the YT Algorithm?) Hiding your _whole_ channel from me, for _this_ long?! But, HA! I found you, sub'ed you & now.... you'll *never* get rid of me. 😈😂😂😂

  • @garnetbelial
    @garnetbelial25 күн бұрын

    "I assume if you're still here you want the history part" me nodding furiously.

  • @Milkman4279

    @Milkman4279

    25 күн бұрын

    Lol, I skipped that

  • @toshabeans

    @toshabeans

    25 күн бұрын

    Me also nodding furiously 😅 i didn't learn this kind of history in school so I'm learning it here lol

  • @curiouslyhigh

    @curiouslyhigh

    24 күн бұрын

    This is the same reason why when they said they'd be doing more history stuff on another channel even though they're the even cooler cherry on top of an already cool, well-researched cake, I legitimately went "noo!" at my screen. Let the historian hist, guys!

  • @garnetbelial

    @garnetbelial

    24 күн бұрын

    Absolutely, let the guys research and and present the historical stoofs. They're good at it.

  • @Witchofthewoods.

    @Witchofthewoods.

    23 күн бұрын

    I just fast forwarded the beginning, or else I'd switch channels.

  • @jackyp6712
    @jackyp671225 күн бұрын

    As the residential Michigander here, it's pronounced Mack-i-naw. I'll give you a pass on this one 😅

  • @sullyproductions5757

    @sullyproductions5757

    25 күн бұрын

    I screamed in my head it’s Mackinaw

  • @xSwordLilyx

    @xSwordLilyx

    25 күн бұрын

    Speaking of, I have to say it wrong in my head to spell it right. Btw fabulous desserts to be had in Mackinac city, particularly fudge and ice cream, and a 3rd great grandfather of mine was an oldest surviving resident of the Island, and played fiddle at the dances into his 70s.

  • @ravensclawtemplar

    @ravensclawtemplar

    25 күн бұрын

    Came to the comments for this.

  • @SophSax

    @SophSax

    25 күн бұрын

    Physically winced when I heard the pronunciation lol

  • @abcde_fz

    @abcde_fz

    25 күн бұрын

    Thanx for simply explaining why I knew I had just heard something 'wrong', without knowing exactly what I had heard that _was_ 'wrong'. Nice to learn a little something now and then!

  • @lloydlloyd3236
    @lloydlloyd323625 күн бұрын

    "We have plenty of cases to cover, do not make more" That was really funny

  • @KibuFox
    @KibuFox25 күн бұрын

    Short answer: Probably not. Longer answer: Moonshiners, even in the early days of the practice, were rather well known in their local communities. To the point that everyone and their brother in the community would know who was the moonshiners. Meaning that some rando kid wandering into a moonshiner's still, even if it's from someone outside of the community, wouldn't warrant a murder. What point would there be, from the moonshiner's perspective, of drawing even more attention to the surrounding area?

  • @Kywaterdawg71

    @Kywaterdawg71

    23 күн бұрын

    Come to say much the same. Anyone thinking moonshining is some clandestine programming had obviously never been in the area one cooking. And as you said, the thought a three year old stumbling onto a shine operation and being murdered for it verges on absurd.

  • @KibuFox

    @KibuFox

    19 күн бұрын

    @@Kywaterdawg71 Yeah. Honestly, if a kid had stumbled across the operation, then the moonshiners would be more likely to help the kid find their parents than do anything to them. Furthermore, no moonshiner 'buries' their mash underground. Though the average moonshiner at that time was lucky if they had an 8th grade education, they also weren't stupid by any means. Burying your mash would allow all manner of animals or other things to fall into the mash. That'd contaminate the mash, and destroy any future 'cook' you would have. It doesn't hurt matters that putting the mash in the ground would mess up the temperatures needed for it to ferment. Lastly, it's worth noting that after alcohol had been boiled off the mash, the corn that was left over wasn't simply thrown away. That corn would be fed to hogs or cattle. So again, putting it in the ground makes no sense, as then it'd just be more work to get it out into sacks to carry to use for feed. There is just so much wrong with that whole theory, that it sounds more like someone who had only a small amount of knowledge about moonshining, and they let their imagination run wild.

  • @AJOlaks
    @AJOlaks25 күн бұрын

    potential moonshiner murder is not what I expected to be covered this week

  • @mere7583

    @mere7583

    25 күн бұрын

    A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

  • @gubnillec

    @gubnillec

    25 күн бұрын

    Half drunk rednecks in the woods getting trigger happy over " them revenues" would never happen. For clarification..I live in the deep South and ,"Florida man" syndrome is not Florida exclusive.

  • @Thasabird

    @Thasabird

    25 күн бұрын

    I'm glad I like these older stories because the more new ones are just like what happened and it's sometimes not even solved

  • @kenziecarter9458

    @kenziecarter9458

    24 күн бұрын

    @@ThasabirdThere’s plenty old unsolved ones too

  • @WardenWolf

    @WardenWolf

    24 күн бұрын

    But there was no reason for them to do so. This was before prohibition (that started the next year). Their work was actually legal.

  • @audreyyork9633
    @audreyyork963325 күн бұрын

    It doesn't matter, really, but Aidan: rawboned (or raw-boned, or raw bone) is a descriptive word(s) meaning skinny, gaunt, or scrawny. So it's possible the source really did mean to type that about the dog. [Edited for clarity]

  • @RockinTheBassGuitar

    @RockinTheBassGuitar

    25 күн бұрын

    Thank you! I was hoping someone else would notice that.

  • @cleanserene6330

    @cleanserene6330

    24 күн бұрын

    Thank you! I've also seen that expression, usually as a less than flattering description ("a raw-boned woman") of a hard working, hard luck, hard done by denizen of the backwoods. It seemed entirely appropriate to location even if I've never heard a dog referred to that way. Did the dog have any other descriptors, to determine breed? Idr.

  • @audreyyork9633

    @audreyyork9633

    24 күн бұрын

    @cleanserene6330 not that I can recall. I can imagine, being from a similar region myself, it was probably a mutt. I doubt they had a purebred anything. Not to say it's impossible. I just doubt it. So I could see the dog simply being described as scraggly, etc.

  • @marhawkman303

    @marhawkman303

    23 күн бұрын

    @@cleanserene6330 Yeah, I don't think that source was trying to identify a BREED of dog, just describe appearance.

  • @CamBoone
    @CamBoone25 күн бұрын

    Here in WNC, the question “have you or do you drink moonshine more than once a year” was legitimately used by physicians and practitioners to determine whether a patient may be a “problem drinker” or not. The logic being that no one would drink moonshine without their primary goal being intoxication. 😂

  • @Aaron-zu3xn

    @Aaron-zu3xn

    25 күн бұрын

    it also lets us know to check other things like are you going blind,do you have heart disease,do you have a gastric issue,do you have hepatitis

  • @BlacksmithBets

    @BlacksmithBets

    25 күн бұрын

    Lol as if people drink alcohol for any other reason

  • @hans-christianbauer5947

    @hans-christianbauer5947

    25 күн бұрын

    @@BlacksmithBets Well, as a matter of fact, they do. There are ports, whiskey's and cognacs chosen to go with cigars for optimal flavour profile. Same goes with wines and food items. I was at a wine tasting once that paired wines with chocolates. Worked better than I thought.

  • @figment3242

    @figment3242

    25 күн бұрын

    As close as 50 yrs ago the local sheriff or constable would take away moonshine from the distillers and donate/give small amounts to the the older folks, as moonshine was also considered an old time folk remedy or medicinal.

  • @williamraleigh7546

    @williamraleigh7546

    25 күн бұрын

    Moonshine has led me to several alcohol induced mistakes. Alcoholism is a bitch, but there's nothing I can do about it 😂.

  • @SgtBuck01
    @SgtBuck0125 күн бұрын

    A child witnessing moonshiners is like a chicken witnessing a murder in Skyrim.

  • @Kilthan2050

    @Kilthan2050

    25 күн бұрын

    Both problems have the same solution, apparently…

  • @MrContemplation

    @MrContemplation

    25 күн бұрын

    As someone who grew up in the hills with these men. They don’t shoot unless shot at, they run. See, you have to be caught with your hand in the cookie jar so to speak for the charges to hold up in court. So it’s better to run than stand and fight.

  • @sabrinastrong291

    @sabrinastrong291

    24 күн бұрын

    @@MrContemplationliterally how NASCAR was created 😂

  • @Marynicole830

    @Marynicole830

    24 күн бұрын

    @@MrContemplationyeah I don’t buy that moonshiners harmed a child. Not only are they not monsters but it would also bring more attention to the area, not less. Moonshiners basically just want to be left alone for the most part. Their product tastes good too, nothing like the commercial stuff. It will be clear as water but taste like the darkest whiskey. It’s great stuff when done properly. The commercial stuff tastes like straight vodka. I’ve had a lot of moonshiners in my family, I’m from the smokies and still live here. As long as you have desperation you will have people that find ways to support themselves, even if that means shinning or cooking.

  • @Marynicole830

    @Marynicole830

    24 күн бұрын

    Some more info on the area now, This area is stricken with poverty and people relied on cheap booze to take them out of that reality for a while it made it themselves for some pocket money and to give out during holidays. Now days, the tourism seems to be making it worse, not better. Now instead of money not coming in, it just gets taken by the top players while the rest of us are priced out of our homes. At least when there was a lack of money in the economy the area was cheap to live in. The people that serve the tourism industry can’t feed or shelter their kids and social services are quick to tear families apart in this area when a water pump breaks or a storm blows down the shed. Need done time to buy a new pump or clean up the mess? Need a couple of days? Too bad. You lose your kids. If anyone cares, the mayor and governor really loves the tourism. If y’all tell them they’re doing a crap job, something might change. It would have to be a lot of people threatening to boycott the state but I’m sure after a while something would change. We are having a drug crisis now because of the same reason shining took off. People can’t support themselves.

  • @mariettavol774
    @mariettavol77425 күн бұрын

    The ol’ saying goes “Once two strangers climbed ol' Rocky Top Lookin' for a moonshine still Strangers ain't come down from Rocky Top Reckon they never will” Go Vols

  • @grimtea1715

    @grimtea1715

    25 күн бұрын

    Roll tide

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    @gern7535

    25 күн бұрын

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    25 күн бұрын

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  • @morigahn

    @morigahn

    25 күн бұрын

    Corn won't grow at all on Rocky Top Dirt's too rocky by far That's why all the folks on Rocky Top Get their corn from a jar

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    @garylefevers

    24 күн бұрын

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  • @martinharris5017
    @martinharris501725 күн бұрын

    It's always refreshing to find a channel that doesn't thrive on sensationalism. Thanks for continuing to demystify and "de-bigfootize" these cases. I never miss an episode.

  • @phlieganator1972
    @phlieganator197225 күн бұрын

    Two things, It struck me as weird that a 3 year old would go off looking for the dog after it hadn't returned for a while, toddlers seem to live more in the moment so chasing it as it ran would make sense but i don't think they have the capacity yet to say "hmm the dog has been missing a while I should go find him." However the fact that he was following his siblings makes alot of sense in the regard. Anyway second thing please tell me we're getting"Bigfussy" shirts

  • @randallsavage13
    @randallsavage1325 күн бұрын

    David wants there to be more to a story than there actually is. Because most of the time the boring non spooky true doesn’t get the attention that something strange does

  • @maemccleary3283

    @maemccleary3283

    19 күн бұрын

    Which is truly a shame. It takes away from the few cases that are truly mysterious, and his credibility. Additionally even if it's not Bigfoot many are still fascinating stories.

  • @ralcogaming7674

    @ralcogaming7674

    4 күн бұрын

    ​@@maemccleary3283 I can understand his motivation to sensationalize these stories. It gets these missing persons cases back in the public eye and leads to the public asking more questions. Don't misunderstand I do think some of these cases are very strange on the surface and only get stranger as you dig deeper. I'm in a weird place with the supernatural or even cryptids. I want it to be real but I also want proof and I mean good proof. I've seen my share of things and heard stories from trusted sources (I'm from Missouri for reference) but that doesn't mean I'm going to believe every idiot who claims there's skin walkers on their ranch and the best evidence we get is "bro trust me" or pictures of flashlight beams.

  • @MakeCaliNiceAgain

    @MakeCaliNiceAgain

    4 күн бұрын

    It has nothing to do with attention. He deeply cares about the missing. That said, he does put too much stock in witness statements, he likes to think that if the cops aren't investigating someone as being involved, then they aren't involved. I don't believe that, I think everyone is a suspect until the truth comes out. There are a lot of cases though, that can't be explained at all and make no sense. Including a LOT of credible UFO sightings.

  • @conveyor2

    @conveyor2

    19 сағат бұрын

    @@maemccleary3283 Paulides has never suggested BF as a cause.

  • @thatgoblin5739
    @thatgoblin573922 күн бұрын

    When you start out liking 411, but then slowly turn into it's archenemy. Best villain origin story ever.

  • @Eon_Black
    @Eon_Black25 күн бұрын

    KZread randomly recommended a killdozer video to me about an hour ago, and now I am subscribed and waiting for a premiere. Good stuff!

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    @Bert-lw1ot

    25 күн бұрын

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    @Eon_Black

    25 күн бұрын

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    @user-qg7vj7nb9c

    25 күн бұрын

    If you like that you should check out their Donner party and boy in the box some of their best IMO the Donner party one was like the killdozer one just full of information that no one else covered and it comes straight from the diaries of the people in the Donner party

  • @coffeeandcupcakes7310

    @coffeeandcupcakes7310

    24 күн бұрын

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  • @anthonydesisto2328

    @anthonydesisto2328

    16 күн бұрын

    Fell into the same trap😅

  • @greypolar2720
    @greypolar272025 күн бұрын

    "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference."

  • @lynnem5949
    @lynnem594925 күн бұрын

    Rawboned in refernece to the dog means it was bony, not well-fed

  • @jimpemberton
    @jimpemberton25 күн бұрын

    I was interested in Paulides' material, but it didn't take too long to see his subtext and pick up on how he was coloring his stories to fit his conclusions. So he's helpful for some of the research that he's done, but you have to take it with a grain of salt.

  • @Trivial_Whim
    @Trivial_Whim25 күн бұрын

    The “my shot killed him” thing is psychologically. It’s a guilty thing, not a logic one.

  • @tonyfroman4382
    @tonyfroman438225 күн бұрын

    Moonshine and moonshine distilling equipment? I believe you mean he sold Moonshine and Moonshine Accessories

  • @CandiceLemonSharks
    @CandiceLemonSharks25 күн бұрын

    Some thoughts on cause of death, least important aspect of the case. I'm happy to provide citations if anyone wants to go down the spider/snake/poison rabbit hole after me. There aren't really spider species with medically significant venom in that area-particularly not ones which are inclined to bite. What does track for cause of death would be a snake bite, of which there are several very well camouflaged and quite defensive species hanging out. Some of those species share characteristics and behavior with snake species that are safe (enough) to bother. There are plenty of attractive looking plants and fungi which show up in the smokies as well, including some species which are safe to eat cooked but not raw-a differentiation a hungry toddler might not make on his own. (This has been your weekly engagement comment by me, brought to you by creepy crawly enjoyers against spider slander.)

  • @CandiceLemonSharks

    @CandiceLemonSharks

    25 күн бұрын

    P.s. I would love to see KZreadr KyleHatesHiking on the podcast. He does similar videos, but focused on missing, uh, hikers.

  • @williamraleigh7546

    @williamraleigh7546

    25 күн бұрын

    ​@CandiceLemonShahe besmirches the names of those who were lost on the trails. Better if he stays off. rks

  • @tomeeshahaller4226

    @tomeeshahaller4226

    25 күн бұрын

    @williamraleigh7546 How does he besmirch their names?

  • @sandrafreeman515

    @sandrafreeman515

    24 күн бұрын

    Black widows have a very dangerous bite that is very toxic to humans, especially children. Their toxin can cause seizures in children which usually occur just before death. Since he was only 3, a black widow bite could have caused his death especially since he was in a hollow log which is a favorite living place for black widows as well as snakes.

  • @KaileyB616

    @KaileyB616

    14 күн бұрын

    When you say "in that area", where exactly do you mean? Because I live about an hour from the mountains in NC, and there's black widow and brown recluse spiders for sure. Somebody I know who worked doing landscaping was bitten by a spider while at work, and subsequently died a few days later in the hospital.

  • @mellowyello9797
    @mellowyello979725 күн бұрын

    Live on the same Reservation as Sully’s Hill, ND, Now known as White Horse Hill. There’s a lot of ongoing missing person cases in our community that I think would interest you. Your indigenous history sections surprised me, when I first started watching your channel. Have been an avid viewer for months, never left a comment. Thank you for keeping up you and your team’s amazing work.

  • @randallsavage13
    @randallsavage1325 күн бұрын

    Moon shine mixed with powdered country time lemonade is a good way to drink some shine ✨we call it shineade

  • @jond661

    @jond661

    23 күн бұрын

    Juice a watermelon and mix the juice half and half with some good white shine

  • @njunderground82
    @njunderground8225 күн бұрын

    "We have plenty of cases to cover, do not make more" 😂🤣

  • @rogerray7820
    @rogerray782024 күн бұрын

    I grew up in the Smokies so far back in the woods we didn't get the Saturday Night Grand Ole Opry until Tuesday morning. Your break down was great with the exception of the spider bite. Most likely a snake bite. March sees snakes out sunning themselves during the day and will find a warm spot(hollow log) in the evening and night. In my 70 years in these hills I've never seen a spider of any kind that could kill even a small rodent much less a healthy 3 year old. Keep up the good work, I really enjoy your vids.

  • @magiccookie22
    @magiccookie2222 күн бұрын

    I participated in a field research class in the Cosby area of Tennessee so from an ecology perspective I can offer a bit of context. Venomous spiders in this region are way more rare than people think-- especially in March. March can get very cold, and most cold-blooded animals in this climate overwinter one way or another. Spiders seek warmth in places like sheds so you're much more likely to face them on a homestead than out in the wilderness at this time. There is the case for venomous snakes like diamond backs, but they are likewise going to brumate unless its an especially warm March. They recommend inexperienced hikers of the smokies come at latest mid May because that is when venomous snakes start to emerge from brumation. That isn't to say spiders and snakes don't exist in March they most definitely do, but they're going to be sluggish. A noisy three year old is not likely to catch any of these animals by surprise nor are they likely to capture the animal in much a situation where biting is its first response. Its still very possible, especially since he was found in a log where these critters might be hiding. But losing little Abe to exposure is significantly more likely.

  • @clonegeek3317
    @clonegeek331725 күн бұрын

    I like this episode because its able to deconstruct the narrative and reveal that the traditional story is just an old wives tale

  • @Vautour1776
    @Vautour177625 күн бұрын

    That opening line is gold.

  • @inkynewt
    @inkynewt25 күн бұрын

    When I was illegally working in a liquor store at 15, I knew a guy who made artisinal moonshine.

  • @felixjones9198

    @felixjones9198

    25 күн бұрын

    I'm a winemaker, I know heaps of guys who make it. Some are more "artisanal" than others, however 😂

  • @settame1

    @settame1

    25 күн бұрын

    In Kentucky. It’s all over the place here.

  • @thespider7898

    @thespider7898

    20 күн бұрын

    It can be a pretty neat hobby, some people want to make exactly the drink they want rather than looking for something close at the store.

  • @chadro_g1145
    @chadro_g114522 күн бұрын

    As a local to the area I can say this… contact the Sevier and/or Cocke county library. Sevier county’s has a lot of online resources and are always willing to help. Try the Mountain Press, Sevier county’s newspaper or the Knoxville News Sentinel which is the largest in the area and based out of Knox county. The Knox county library may have papers older than the sentinel. Lastly, the area of Cosby could swallow half the world today and people would never be found. Back then it would be far worse, but the people, even kids, would have been FAR more capable than 99.9% of people are today when it comes to survival and navigating the land.

  • @waywornwyrm8135
    @waywornwyrm813525 күн бұрын

    That pronunciation of Mackinac. It is much closer to Mack-in-awe

  • @Felicat82

    @Felicat82

    24 күн бұрын

    It is, my dad is from Michigan and I visited my grandmother there as a young child.

  • @forgingluck
    @forgingluck25 күн бұрын

    Snake is more likely than spider imo. Great video

  • @NicoleB-ev9vc

    @NicoleB-ev9vc

    25 күн бұрын

    Was going to say Timber Rattler or Copperhead more likely. It could also explain the dogs behavior...the dog might have also gotten bit.

  • @b00gdabear65
    @b00gdabear6525 күн бұрын

    I don't believe that Lore Daddy Attis really hates David Paulidis all that much. I feel like you just gets frustrated that he did a little bit of digging but then didn't verify what he dug up and is trying to show that with a little bit of extra time you can verify what could be truth and what could be false claims

  • @amrielbang
    @amrielbang23 күн бұрын

    I feel like David probably vets his sources when they don't say anything that helps fit his narrative and then let's it slide when sketchy sources do say things to fit his narrative. He seems like that kind of dude. Anyways, great video as always. ❤

  • @windangel7720
    @windangel772025 күн бұрын

    You ought to write your own book on these disappearances with the info you discovered. Poor little Abe. 😢 Every article I've read and video I have watched on Trenny mentioned Simpson, even going so far as to say that Trenny's comb, that she carried everywhere, was found in his car. Also, I found out that star sapphire ring and matching pendant were gifts (from her parents?) and were found to be in the possession of a female classmate who never returned them to her parents. Trenny's case has left me completely confused by the contradictory information to the point that now I am wondering if she even existed at all.

  • @reedtassell4847
    @reedtassell484725 күн бұрын

    5:06 pronounced mack-in-aw. Sincerely, somebody from Michigan. (The city is spelled correctly, idk what happened when they named the island)

  • @faiyoake
    @faiyoake25 күн бұрын

    Even if the older stories have little evidence or documentation it’s still fun to hear them deconstructed

  • @user-so9qk1nf4t
    @user-so9qk1nf4t24 күн бұрын

    "The toddler put on his coat, leaving around three." So, a toddler just walks out of the house, like he is a college kid, and adults don't know. OK. .....Neglect is so often behind the missing kids cases.

  • @TheBeardedAssassin-bd7yt
    @TheBeardedAssassin-bd7yt25 күн бұрын

    As a Michigander hearing mackinack hurts.

  • @CodyHomes

    @CodyHomes

    25 күн бұрын

    So, how is pronounced? I also experience pain as an Oregonian with a silent e when certain words are mispronounced.

  • @SixtusFlorentinus

    @SixtusFlorentinus

    25 күн бұрын

    @@CodyHomes Macinaw (as in gnaw)

  • @soulnom7968

    @soulnom7968

    25 күн бұрын

    As a Wisconsinite, i cringed as soon as I heard that.

  • @teabroncfan

    @teabroncfan

    24 күн бұрын

    As a Texan who's been to Mackinac Island Island a couple of times I cringed too. Lol. We watched another guy. Nukes Top 5 and swear he screws names up on purpose so people like us come to the comments and comment. Lol

  • @Corny_Andy

    @Corny_Andy

    23 күн бұрын

    Me too I can't stop cringing over it😅

  • @Paradox_Incognito
    @Paradox_Incognito25 күн бұрын

    The fr*nch naming conventions strike back in today's episode's Michigan lore mention

  • @scallopohare9431

    @scallopohare9431

    25 күн бұрын

    Greeting from Grand Ledge, MI. The Grand River is down the hill from my house. We pronounce the county seat as "Shar LOT," not the more Southern "SHAW lut."

  • @ainebooth9528

    @ainebooth9528

    25 күн бұрын

    greetings from lansing michigan, not far from grand ledge- i always love telling ppl about the small town of pompeii, which is unfortunately pronounced locally as "pompy-eye"

  • @thenegoti8r989

    @thenegoti8r989

    25 күн бұрын

    Greetings from Zeeland Michigan. What’s up? All the old Dutch people in Michigan live around here.

  • @YoungLiam74

    @YoungLiam74

    24 күн бұрын

    got a chuckle out of that as a yooper

  • @kmcp19

    @kmcp19

    24 күн бұрын

    The collective Michigander eye twitch at "Mack-in-ack"...

  • @TimFaulkner-qb5kl
    @TimFaulkner-qb5kl25 күн бұрын

    I fail to believe moonshiners would hurt a 3year old local boy. The dog under the porch leads me to believe a animal is responsible for this disappearance

  • @athanksgivingbaby570

    @athanksgivingbaby570

    24 күн бұрын

    @timfaulkner- Me too. Especially since a 3 yr old can't give evidence even if he recognized what he saw and the Feds weren't really involved in the search. It's highly likely that most of the locals benefited, in one way or another, from the moonshine trade and would likely just tell the boy to hush if he did say anything. No need for murder.

  • @scallopohare9431
    @scallopohare943125 күн бұрын

    Stock car racing began with running moonshine. 😂.

  • @KharonDeLune_vtb
    @KharonDeLune_vtb23 күн бұрын

    I feel like this format - giving the David Paulides (sp?) version of the story before going and dissecting it - actually suits the topic quite well. It starts with how the story was presented as a Missing 411 case, what got it presented in that way, then discusses whether it does or does not truly belong

  • @deerichardz

    @deerichardz

    23 күн бұрын

    You'd like Zealous Beast as well. That's exactly what he does.

  • @KharonDeLune_vtb

    @KharonDeLune_vtb

    23 күн бұрын

    @@deerichardz Thanks for the recommendation!

  • @Y2KNW
    @Y2KNW25 күн бұрын

    I found out after my dad's funeral that grandpa had been a moonshiner, his grandfather before that, and that some of my aunts, uncles, and cousins took up the family hobby. Seems like maybe I missed out on a grand tradition.

  • @daisyjoy242

    @daisyjoy242

    21 күн бұрын

    Theirs still time

  • @Kepesk
    @Kepesk21 күн бұрын

    This series has become "Fact checking David Paulides." And I'm here for it.

  • @HarrowsThoms
    @HarrowsThoms25 күн бұрын

    Aiden: please don't make more cases Me, already covered in barbecue sauce and lounging in front of a bear den: oh, *now* you say something?

  • @MrBrachiatingApe

    @MrBrachiatingApe

    12 күн бұрын

    Follow your dreams!

  • @JuliusSqueezer110
    @JuliusSqueezer11025 күн бұрын

    Took the Feds six years to find Eric rudolf

  • @georgiafan775

    @georgiafan775

    25 күн бұрын

    America's hide and seek champion

  • @JuliusSqueezer110

    @JuliusSqueezer110

    25 күн бұрын

    lol Easy now to find him in ADX Florence 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @gern7535

    @gern7535

    25 күн бұрын

    Feds didn't catch him. Local cop did.

  • @michaelhowell2326

    @michaelhowell2326

    23 күн бұрын

    ​@@gern7535I was going to say the same thing, and that was totally on accident.

  • @AbigailG24
    @AbigailG2425 күн бұрын

    love when you rip apart bad research! so relieved to have the history section back! so sad for Abe

  • @khaychi
    @khaychi24 күн бұрын

    B-But muh Bigfoot! *-David Paulides, probably*

  • @conveyor2

    @conveyor2

    19 сағат бұрын

    You must be brand new to all of this. Paulides has never suggested bigfoot.

  • @CPC941
    @CPC94125 күн бұрын

    I personally liked the format. I have only recently discovered your channel and find your story telling extremely fascinating. you do an amazing job breaking down each case and your attention to detail is spot on. FYI going into the "history lessons" is one of the best parts of your story telling.

  • @fabamb9801
    @fabamb980124 күн бұрын

    congrats yall finally got to 500k subs sooo happy for u guys ....keep up the awesome work

  • @michaelcarmichiel5804
    @michaelcarmichiel580425 күн бұрын

    Very interesting as always gentlemen. Please continue these as the information you share is so important. Was not expecting to hear a possible relative mentioned - maternal great grandmother was named Christie and originally from Appalachian area. Lol. Thanks again.

  • @ventusvindictus
    @ventusvindictus24 күн бұрын

    Love y'all's work! It is exciting to see how the channel has grown over the years.

  • @michaelp4834
    @michaelp483425 күн бұрын

    Great work, as always, gentlemen!

  • @LordPhoton-rl4ot
    @LordPhoton-rl4ot25 күн бұрын

    Funny how some one who got into this out of pure curiosity seems to do way more vetting of the facts than an ex cop/detective. I forget if he was detective or just a normal beat cop but either way. You'd think he'd know how important checking up on sources and running everything down either way. So honestly the reason I got into your content so much is because you do some of the most in depth source checking out of pretty much any one else on youtube. Same reason I stopped watching Nerdrotic's woo woo content because they literally do zero fact checking. So good on you brother keep it up, hard work yields the best results.

  • @ryanbrown4053

    @ryanbrown4053

    21 күн бұрын

    Definitely makes me question Paulides' detective career if he was a detective. How many innocent people are in jail or criminals walked free because he sucks at his job

  • @Ryo7_7
    @Ryo7_725 күн бұрын

    Your research and breakdown is awesome. Dig the music too. 👍

  • @doopy85
    @doopy8523 күн бұрын

    Thank you very much for all the hard work you do! Keep goin man.

  • @michaelcornwall
    @michaelcornwall14 күн бұрын

    I love your videos, such good research, and like i love how you embrace nerding out, you have to, and you're so polite and professional like politely asking to skip the history section. I think it's one of the coolest things about your videos. I am from stl, I've actually worked on Grant's farm as in at one time Ulysses s Grant's farm, so many beautiful animals, many just roaming not all caged up. Keep up the great work and research Aidens! Lastly my only take on factor is I've loved what I've tried from there, i just think it's funny the thought of a man lonely eating a microwaved tv dinner for any meal you were living a very sad and lonely life, but now it's considered hip and cool, i love the story arc of microwavable meals lol

  • @LunaAMorticia
    @LunaAMorticia25 күн бұрын

    We're currently staying in The Cairngorms National Park in Scotland, and I've been really enjoying listening to these videos while getting ready/winding down for the day. Glad I came across the channel! 😄

  • @charissimpson235

    @charissimpson235

    25 күн бұрын

    Hope you’re enjoying it! The cairngorms I believe are also originally part of the same mountain complex that the appalchians were before continental shift! We actually have some similar stories in areas like the Cairngorms (I think the grey man of macdui specifically in the cairngorms)

  • @LunaAMorticia

    @LunaAMorticia

    25 күн бұрын

    ​@@charissimpson235 Ah yeah, the Great Grey Man! We're hoping to get up Ben Macdui, if the weather allows 😄

  • @unwillingfurry9452
    @unwillingfurry945221 күн бұрын

    Aiden, your cold opens always get the exact same reaction out of me, every time I purse my lips, smirk, and pull my chin to the left xD

  • @consistentlystupid4726
    @consistentlystupid472615 күн бұрын

    The idea of the Moonshiners opening fire in the direction of sounds they hear is very funny to me. Unless these guys are shooting their guns 24/7, I doubt they're just shooting at random noises they hear in the woods.

  • @pablowentscobar
    @pablowentscobar25 күн бұрын

    You should name your line of Bunker Branding "Debunker Branding"

  • @armphidiic2609
    @armphidiic260925 күн бұрын

    Good coverage on this story; it's not one that I've heard before. Thank you! I also enjoyed the history section.

  • @HollyAnnaDavidson
    @HollyAnnaDavidson25 күн бұрын

    Thank you for the great content!

  • @thespider7898
    @thespider789820 күн бұрын

    Shine can be good or it can be bad, it also depends what you're trying to make. A lot of people are essentially making everclear, which has no character. Homemade doesn't mean bad.

  • @estherjamack7717
    @estherjamack771724 күн бұрын

    Thank you for your research. I’m always skeptical when someone repeats a Paulides story. He seems to omit a lot of information in his story telling.

  • @jamieryman
    @jamieryman25 күн бұрын

    I'm with you on DP & going from impressed to suspect 🤔

  • @KnitWitch
    @KnitWitch25 күн бұрын

    Love today's format!

  • @dartmart9263
    @dartmart926322 күн бұрын

    Putting parks under the jurisdiction of the Department of Agriculture doesn’t make much sense today. But, back then when there were so few few parks, it probably prevented duplication of early environmental studies, such as hydrology, soil composition and other analyses.

  • @TristanandtheMinions
    @TristanandtheMinions24 күн бұрын

    Glad to see the history segment return

  • @Black_Heart_Defense
    @Black_Heart_Defense25 күн бұрын

    Great video guys, keep up the hard work!

  • @Black_Heart_Defense

    @Black_Heart_Defense

    25 күн бұрын

    Wait you said June 14th and then July😂

  • @colleenzeltner3427
    @colleenzeltner342725 күн бұрын

    Keep up the great work ✌🏻... Philly love

  • @KonwTheTrut
    @KonwTheTrut25 күн бұрын

    Loving your content brother.

  • @junkyardsearcher6407
    @junkyardsearcher640720 күн бұрын

    This video was great, thank you for all of the information!

  • @user-mp9rd4hg8b
    @user-mp9rd4hg8b17 күн бұрын

    I used to be a Dave fan also. In fact I bought 6 of his books. Then I saw that he included cases that were clearly not of the "missing 411" type and could easily be explained. The last straw was when he constantly says he is being shadow banned and demonitized and when I commented to let him know there were ads in his videos and he might want to check on that, he bans me from his channel. I think the guy is dishonest and has been drinking his own Kool-Aid for too long..

  • @deerichardz

    @deerichardz

    15 күн бұрын

    The last few times I browsed through his comment section, he seemed hell-bent on pointing out all the subscribers that claimed they were unsubbed from his channel. Some even stated they were getting notifications, but were unsubbed, which is impossible I do believe.

  • @jeffbybee5207
    @jeffbybee520725 күн бұрын

    I find the idea of moonshiner's firing at a sound very strange. Know your target and dont waste a shot

  • @mrspriss09
    @mrspriss0924 күн бұрын

    I love you and these videos! Can’t wait for the merch. Im an amateur research sleuth myself and spend my days researching unsolved murders. It’s my passion :) and these videos are like crack for me ha ha

  • @staceyn2541
    @staceyn254124 күн бұрын

    I have so many issues with the missing 411 mindset . It is absolutely strange that disappearances and deaths in the national parks aren't bigger stories. There are definitely mysterious circumstances. However, DP manipulates evidence, omits pertinent facts, and relies on case retellings rather than primary sources. Even newspapers should be considered faulty sources. Police reports are more reliable. DP''s stories are little better than fantasy and wish fulfillment. Scary stories to tell by a campfire, at best. Leaving out that the missing biy was found is not an oversight or negligence, it is blatant deception to further his agenda.

  • @Brianfailedgot2keepontruckin
    @Brianfailedgot2keepontruckin25 күн бұрын

    I have come to really look forward to new Lore Lodge videos. I'm tired of rewatching all the old one 😂

  • @VeryDryBones
    @VeryDryBones23 күн бұрын

    Very interesting that this video has some sources listed and not a lot of older videos.

  • @gubnillec
    @gubnillec25 күн бұрын

    Finally..was missing the lore from lore lodgr👏👏👏

  • @kieran2221
    @kieran222125 күн бұрын

    Honestly, I was wondering where the history segments of the videos had gone - I'm very glad they have made a triumphant return!

  • @jcdenton6074
    @jcdenton607424 күн бұрын

    I agree with you about Paulides, he doesn't invent evidence but he frequently hyperfocuses on specific points which he is clearly using to misdirect readers. That's as good as lying, in my book. The way he interfered with the DeOrr Kunz case is especially evil.

  • @mecahhannah
    @mecahhannah11 күн бұрын

    ❤ Awesome as always thanks guys always enjoy the history segment it's my favorite!

  • @chrisofthehoovers4055
    @chrisofthehoovers405512 күн бұрын

    I love the history segments, it was always my favorite topic in school.

  • @stormcat3648
    @stormcat364825 күн бұрын

    This has to be one of the best lore lodge intros LOL

  • @corning1
    @corning123 күн бұрын

    I don’t really watch you anymore but congrats on 500k! Insane.

  • @alecbaker13
    @alecbaker1325 күн бұрын

    Underrated story channel

  • @sandrafreeman515
    @sandrafreeman51524 күн бұрын

    Well, he could have gotten stuck in the log and suffocated or a snake could have bitten him. Fallen logs, hollow or otherwise, are places that snakes like to congregate around.

  • @TheUncleRuckus
    @TheUncleRuckus25 күн бұрын

    What?! David Paulides adding or leaving out information nooooooooooo you must me mistaken 🤣🤣

  • @jlhanes
    @jlhanes24 күн бұрын

    I absolutely love the history segment!

  • @jlhanes

    @jlhanes

    24 күн бұрын

    ...In all your videos, not just this one.

  • @sandrafreeman515
    @sandrafreeman51524 күн бұрын

    Well, it has been my experience that dogs are afraid of larger predators such as bears. However, again, from personal experience, dogs are terrified of large cats even the smallest of the wild cats in this area (bobcats).

  • @tater82
    @tater8225 күн бұрын

    A guy in Gatlinburg looked just like you this week!!! Oh wow didn’t expect the story to be about Tennessee, I had my message typed before you started.

  • @triggercrysisjames142
    @triggercrysisjames14225 күн бұрын

    I literally discovered this channel from the Unsubscribe Podcast. Upon looking, I watched the Killdozer video a week ago. However, after watching these guys on Unsubscribe, I'm absolutely subscribed now!

  • @rebeccamichelle5500
    @rebeccamichelle550022 күн бұрын

    Cosby native here! Crazy to see our little town on your page!!

  • @arti8548
    @arti854815 күн бұрын

    As a Michigander the pronounciation of mackinac has hurt me deeply 5:12

  • @bretwill9417
    @bretwill941724 күн бұрын

    A sal with cubs is not afraid of dogs or people and will fight aggressively

  • @ClintonBeaver-dc4mj

    @ClintonBeaver-dc4mj

    22 күн бұрын

    It happened in March so that gives reasonable cause. January the Cubs are born around March or April sow and cubs would be outside.A three year old might just walk right up to a cub.

  • @alphooey
    @alphooey25 күн бұрын

    David P and various other commentators should really look at applying Occam's Razor concept.

  • @peteroland5389
    @peteroland538919 күн бұрын

    As a member of a family who were known for the alcohol they produced, I feel that I should mention that there is a difference between moonshine, and corn liquor. Moonshine makes a great fuel for agriculture machinery, corn liquor is slightly sweet, with a pleasant sweet corn flavor. So moonshine is somewhere between 80 to 100 proof, and corn liquor is around 40 or so. Most people who were in the business, either did not drink, or only drank corn liquor. Think of moonshine as a concentrate, meant to be turned into mixed drinks or fake gin, usually sold up north at the time. Locally the trade was controlled by the local sheriff and his brother, the local federal judge, along with their partner, Al Capone. I live in the low country close to Charleston sc. Capone used Charleston as a port to get to Cuba. He was even a silent partner in many local businesses, an example is the largest hotel/cat house in Berkeley county.

  • @EyesOfTheSolstice
    @EyesOfTheSolstice25 күн бұрын

    Not me trying to figure out how to get to PA from WI to get a t-shirt and bring you chocolate milk 🥴🤣 Great video! I remember my first run-in with moonshine when I went to college in Southern Illinois. Tasted like how I imagine ethanol tastes.

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