Missing 411, Or Murdered By Moonshiners?

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Way back in 1919, before the Great Smoky Mountains had a national park, a young boy by the name of Abe Lincoln Ramsey disappeared from his family's farm in Cosby, Tennessee. What happened next really depends on who you ask, and I have to say, this was one of the worst Missing 411 stories I've ever come across; not because it's strange, but because it's a remarkably bad account of the true story.
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0:00 - Intro and Ad
3:25 - The National Park Service
8:27 - The Story of Abe Ramsey
13:55 - What Really Happened

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    @Digitalhunny

    4 күн бұрын

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  • @garnetbelial
    @garnetbelial5 күн бұрын

    "I assume if you're still here you want the history part" me nodding furiously.

  • @Milkman4279

    @Milkman4279

    5 күн бұрын

    Lol, I skipped that

  • @toshabeans

    @toshabeans

    5 күн бұрын

    Me also nodding furiously 😅 i didn't learn this kind of history in school so I'm learning it here lol

  • @curiouslyhigh

    @curiouslyhigh

    4 күн бұрын

    This is the same reason why when they said they'd be doing more history stuff on another channel even though they're the even cooler cherry on top of an already cool, well-researched cake, I legitimately went "noo!" at my screen. Let the historian hist, guys!

  • @garnetbelial

    @garnetbelial

    4 күн бұрын

    Absolutely, let the guys research and and present the historical stoofs. They're good at it.

  • @Witchofthewoods.

    @Witchofthewoods.

    3 күн бұрын

    I just fast forwarded the beginning, or else I'd switch channels.

  • @SgtBuck01
    @SgtBuck015 күн бұрын

    A child witnessing moonshiners is like a chicken witnessing a murder in Skyrim.

  • @Kilthan2050

    @Kilthan2050

    5 күн бұрын

    Both problems have the same solution, apparently…

  • @MrContemplation

    @MrContemplation

    5 күн бұрын

    As someone who grew up in the hills with these men. They don’t shoot unless shot at, they run. See, you have to be caught with your hand in the cookie jar so to speak for the charges to hold up in court. So it’s better to run than stand and fight.

  • @sabrinastrong291

    @sabrinastrong291

    4 күн бұрын

    @@MrContemplationliterally how NASCAR was created 😂

  • @Marynicole830

    @Marynicole830

    4 күн бұрын

    @@MrContemplationyeah I don’t buy that moonshiners harmed a child. Not only are they not monsters but it would also bring more attention to the area, not less. Moonshiners basically just want to be left alone for the most part. Their product tastes good too, nothing like the commercial stuff. It will be clear as water but taste like the darkest whiskey. It’s great stuff when done properly. The commercial stuff tastes like straight vodka. I’ve had a lot of moonshiners in my family, I’m from the smokies and still live here. As long as you have desperation you will have people that find ways to support themselves, even if that means shinning or cooking.

  • @Marynicole830

    @Marynicole830

    4 күн бұрын

    Some more info on the area now, This area is stricken with poverty and people relied on cheap booze to take them out of that reality for a while it made it themselves for some pocket money and to give out during holidays. Now days, the tourism seems to be making it worse, not better. Now instead of money not coming in, it just gets taken by the top players while the rest of us are priced out of our homes. At least when there was a lack of money in the economy the area was cheap to live in. The people that serve the tourism industry can’t feed or shelter their kids and social services are quick to tear families apart in this area when a water pump breaks or a storm blows down the shed. Need done time to buy a new pump or clean up the mess? Need a couple of days? Too bad. You lose your kids. If anyone cares, the mayor and governor really loves the tourism. If y’all tell them they’re doing a crap job, something might change. It would have to be a lot of people threatening to boycott the state but I’m sure after a while something would change. We are having a drug crisis now because of the same reason shining took off. People can’t support themselves.

  • @lloydlloyd3236
    @lloydlloyd32365 күн бұрын

    "We have plenty of cases to cover, do not make more" That was really funny

  • @AJOlaks
    @AJOlaks5 күн бұрын

    potential moonshiner murder is not what I expected to be covered this week

  • @mere7583

    @mere7583

    5 күн бұрын

    A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

  • @gubnillec

    @gubnillec

    5 күн бұрын

    Half drunk rednecks in the woods getting trigger happy over " them revenues" would never happen. For clarification..I live in the deep South and ,"Florida man" syndrome is not Florida exclusive.

  • @Monkeydluffy-zj7wi

    @Monkeydluffy-zj7wi

    5 күн бұрын

    I'm glad I like these older stories because the more new ones are just like what happened and it's sometimes not even solved

  • @kenziecarter9458

    @kenziecarter9458

    5 күн бұрын

    @@Monkeydluffy-zj7wiThere’s plenty old unsolved ones too

  • @WardenWolf

    @WardenWolf

    5 күн бұрын

    But there was no reason for them to do so. This was before prohibition (that started the next year). Their work was actually legal.

  • @jackyp6712
    @jackyp67125 күн бұрын

    As the residential Michigander here, it's pronounced Mack-i-naw. I'll give you a pass on this one 😅

  • @sullyproductions5757

    @sullyproductions5757

    5 күн бұрын

    I screamed in my head it’s Mackinaw

  • @xSwordLilyx

    @xSwordLilyx

    5 күн бұрын

    Speaking of, I have to say it wrong in my head to spell it right. Btw fabulous desserts to be had in Mackinac city, particularly fudge and ice cream, and a 3rd great grandfather of mine was an oldest surviving resident of the Island, and played fiddle at the dances into his 70s.

  • @ravensclawtemplar

    @ravensclawtemplar

    5 күн бұрын

    Came to the comments for this.

  • @SophSax

    @SophSax

    5 күн бұрын

    Physically winced when I heard the pronunciation lol

  • @abcde_fz

    @abcde_fz

    5 күн бұрын

    Thanx for simply explaining why I knew I had just heard something 'wrong', without knowing exactly what I had heard that _was_ 'wrong'. Nice to learn a little something now and then!

  • @audreyyork9633
    @audreyyork96335 күн бұрын

    It doesn't matter, really, but Aidan: rawboned (or raw-boned, or raw bone) is a descriptive word(s) meaning skinny, gaunt, or scrawny. So it's possible the source really did mean to type that about the dog. [Edited for clarity]

  • @RockinTheBassGuitar

    @RockinTheBassGuitar

    5 күн бұрын

    Thank you! I was hoping someone else would notice that.

  • @cleanserene6330

    @cleanserene6330

    4 күн бұрын

    Thank you! I've also seen that expression, usually as a less than flattering description ("a raw-boned woman") of a hard working, hard luck, hard done by denizen of the backwoods. It seemed entirely appropriate to location even if I've never heard a dog referred to that way. Did the dog have any other descriptors, to determine breed? Idr.

  • @audreyyork9633

    @audreyyork9633

    4 күн бұрын

    @cleanserene6330 not that I can recall. I can imagine, being from a similar region myself, it was probably a mutt. I doubt they had a purebred anything. Not to say it's impossible. I just doubt it. So I could see the dog simply being described as scraggly, etc.

  • @marhawkman303

    @marhawkman303

    3 күн бұрын

    @@cleanserene6330 Yeah, I don't think that source was trying to identify a BREED of dog, just describe appearance.

  • @CamBoone
    @CamBoone5 күн бұрын

    Here in WNC, the question “have you or do you drink moonshine more than once a year” was legitimately used by physicians and practitioners to determine whether a patient may be a “problem drinker” or not. The logic being that no one would drink moonshine without their primary goal being intoxication. 😂

  • @Aaron-zu3xn

    @Aaron-zu3xn

    5 күн бұрын

    it also lets us know to check other things like are you going blind,do you have heart disease,do you have a gastric issue,do you have hepatitis

  • @BlacksmithBets

    @BlacksmithBets

    5 күн бұрын

    Lol as if people drink alcohol for any other reason

  • @hans-christianbauer5947

    @hans-christianbauer5947

    5 күн бұрын

    @@BlacksmithBets Well, as a matter of fact, they do. There are ports, whiskey's and cognacs chosen to go with cigars for optimal flavour profile. Same goes with wines and food items. I was at a wine tasting once that paired wines with chocolates. Worked better than I thought.

  • @lesliejohnson2032

    @lesliejohnson2032

    5 күн бұрын

    As close as 50 yrs ago the local sheriff or constable would take away moonshine from the distillers and donate/give small amounts to the the older folks, as moonshine was also considered an old time folk remedy or medicinal.

  • @williamraleigh7546

    @williamraleigh7546

    5 күн бұрын

    Moonshine has led me to several alcohol induced mistakes. Alcoholism is a bitch, but there's nothing I can do about it 😂.

  • @mariettavol774
    @mariettavol7745 күн бұрын

    The ol’ saying goes “Once two strangers climbed ol' Rocky Top Lookin' for a moonshine still Strangers ain't come down from Rocky Top Reckon they never will” Go Vols

  • @grimtea1715

    @grimtea1715

    5 күн бұрын

    Roll tide

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    @gern7535

    5 күн бұрын

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    @Jim-Mc

    5 күн бұрын

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    @morigahn

    5 күн бұрын

    Corn won't grow at all on Rocky Top Dirt's too rocky by far That's why all the folks on Rocky Top Get their corn from a jar

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    @garylefevers

    5 күн бұрын

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  • @KibuFox
    @KibuFox5 күн бұрын

    Short answer: Probably not. Longer answer: Moonshiners, even in the early days of the practice, were rather well known in their local communities. To the point that everyone and their brother in the community would know who was the moonshiners. Meaning that some rando kid wandering into a moonshiner's still, even if it's from someone outside of the community, wouldn't warrant a murder. What point would there be, from the moonshiner's perspective, of drawing even more attention to the surrounding area?

  • @Kywaterdawg71

    @Kywaterdawg71

    3 күн бұрын

    Come to say much the same. Anyone thinking moonshining is some clandestine programming had obviously never been in the area one cooking. And as you said, the thought a three year old stumbling onto a shine operation and being murdered for it verges on absurd.

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  • @tonyfroman4382
    @tonyfroman43825 күн бұрын

    Moonshine and moonshine distilling equipment? I believe you mean he sold Moonshine and Moonshine Accessories

  • @martinharris5017
    @martinharris50175 күн бұрын

    It's always refreshing to find a channel that doesn't thrive on sensationalism. Thanks for continuing to demystify and "de-bigfootize" these cases. I never miss an episode.

  • @lynnem5949
    @lynnem59495 күн бұрын

    Rawboned in refernece to the dog means it was bony, not well-fed

  • @randallsavage13
    @randallsavage135 күн бұрын

    David wants there to be more to a story than there actually is. Because most of the time the boring non spooky true doesn’t get the attention that something strange does

  • @greypolar2720
    @greypolar27205 күн бұрын

    "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference."

  • @phlieganator1972
    @phlieganator19725 күн бұрын

    Two things, It struck me as weird that a 3 year old would go off looking for the dog after it hadn't returned for a while, toddlers seem to live more in the moment so chasing it as it ran would make sense but i don't think they have the capacity yet to say "hmm the dog has been missing a while I should go find him." However the fact that he was following his siblings makes alot of sense in the regard. Anyway second thing please tell me we're getting"Bigfussy" shirts

  • @randallsavage13
    @randallsavage135 күн бұрын

    Moon shine mixed with powdered country time lemonade is a good way to drink some shine ✨we call it shineade

  • @jond661

    @jond661

    4 күн бұрын

    Juice a watermelon and mix the juice half and half with some good white shine

  • @inkynewt
    @inkynewt5 күн бұрын

    When I was illegally working in a liquor store at 15, I knew a guy who made artisinal moonshine.

  • @felixjones9198

    @felixjones9198

    5 күн бұрын

    I'm a winemaker, I know heaps of guys who make it. Some are more "artisanal" than others, however 😂

  • @settame1

    @settame1

    5 күн бұрын

    In Kentucky. It’s all over the place here.

  • @thespider7898

    @thespider7898

    14 сағат бұрын

    It can be a pretty neat hobby, some people want to make exactly the drink they want rather than looking for something close at the store.

  • @jimpemberton
    @jimpemberton5 күн бұрын

    I was interested in Paulides' material, but it didn't take too long to see his subtext and pick up on how he was coloring his stories to fit his conclusions. So he's helpful for some of the research that he's done, but you have to take it with a grain of salt.

  • @clonegeek3317
    @clonegeek33175 күн бұрын

    I like this episode because its able to deconstruct the narrative and reveal that the traditional story is just an old wives tale

  • @CandiceLemonSharks
    @CandiceLemonSharks5 күн бұрын

    Some thoughts on cause of death, least important aspect of the case. I'm happy to provide citations if anyone wants to go down the spider/snake/poison rabbit hole after me. There aren't really spider species with medically significant venom in that area-particularly not ones which are inclined to bite. What does track for cause of death would be a snake bite, of which there are several very well camouflaged and quite defensive species hanging out. Some of those species share characteristics and behavior with snake species that are safe (enough) to bother. There are plenty of attractive looking plants and fungi which show up in the smokies as well, including some species which are safe to eat cooked but not raw-a differentiation a hungry toddler might not make on his own. (This has been your weekly engagement comment by me, brought to you by creepy crawly enjoyers against spider slander.)

  • @CandiceLemonSharks

    @CandiceLemonSharks

    5 күн бұрын

    P.s. I would love to see KZreadr KyleHatesHiking on the podcast. He does similar videos, but focused on missing, uh, hikers.

  • @williamraleigh7546

    @williamraleigh7546

    5 күн бұрын

    ​@CandiceLemonShahe besmirches the names of those who were lost on the trails. Better if he stays off. rks

  • @tomeeshahaller4226

    @tomeeshahaller4226

    5 күн бұрын

    @williamraleigh7546 How does he besmirch their names?

  • @sandrafreeman515

    @sandrafreeman515

    4 күн бұрын

    Black widows have a very dangerous bite that is very toxic to humans, especially children. Their toxin can cause seizures in children which usually occur just before death. Since he was only 3, a black widow bite could have caused his death especially since he was in a hollow log which is a favorite living place for black widows as well as snakes.

  • @Trivial_Whim
    @Trivial_Whim5 күн бұрын

    The “my shot killed him” thing is psychologically. It’s a guilty thing, not a logic one.

  • @njunderground82
    @njunderground825 күн бұрын

    "We have plenty of cases to cover, do not make more" 😂🤣

  • @mellowyello9797
    @mellowyello97975 күн бұрын

    Live on the same Reservation as Sully’s Hill, ND, Now known as White Horse Hill. There’s a lot of ongoing missing person cases in our community that I think would interest you. Your indigenous history sections surprised me, when I first started watching your channel. Have been an avid viewer for months, never left a comment. Thank you for keeping up you and your team’s amazing work.

  • @thatgoblin5739
    @thatgoblin57392 күн бұрын

    When you start out liking 411, but then slowly turn into it's archenemy. Best villain origin story ever.

  • @EJRWatkins
    @EJRWatkins5 күн бұрын

    That opening line is gold.

  • @reedtassell4847
    @reedtassell48475 күн бұрын

    5:06 pronounced mack-in-aw. Sincerely, somebody from Michigan. (The city is spelled correctly, idk what happened when they named the island)

  • @waywornwyrm8135
    @waywornwyrm81355 күн бұрын

    That pronunciation of Mackinac. It is much closer to Mack-in-awe

  • @Felicat82

    @Felicat82

    5 күн бұрын

    It is, my dad is from Michigan and I visited my grandmother there as a young child.

  • @forgingluck
    @forgingluck5 күн бұрын

    Snake is more likely than spider imo. Great video

  • @NicoleB-ev9vc

    @NicoleB-ev9vc

    5 күн бұрын

    Was going to say Timber Rattler or Copperhead more likely. It could also explain the dogs behavior...the dog might have also gotten bit.

  • @TheBeardedAssassin-bd7yt
    @TheBeardedAssassin-bd7yt5 күн бұрын

    As a Michigander hearing mackinack hurts.

  • @CodyHomes

    @CodyHomes

    5 күн бұрын

    So, how is pronounced? I also experience pain as an Oregonian with a silent e when certain words are mispronounced.

  • @SixtusFlorentinus

    @SixtusFlorentinus

    5 күн бұрын

    @@CodyHomes Macinaw (as in gnaw)

  • @soulnom7968

    @soulnom7968

    5 күн бұрын

    As a Wisconsinite, i cringed as soon as I heard that.

  • @teabroncfan

    @teabroncfan

    4 күн бұрын

    As a Texan who's been to Mackinac Island Island a couple of times I cringed too. Lol. We watched another guy. Nukes Top 5 and swear he screws names up on purpose so people like us come to the comments and comment. Lol

  • @Corny_Andy

    @Corny_Andy

    3 күн бұрын

    Me too I can't stop cringing over it😅

  • @user-so9qk1nf4t
    @user-so9qk1nf4t4 күн бұрын

    "The toddler put on his coat, leaving around three." So, a toddler just walks out of the house, like he is a college kid, and adults don't know. OK. .....Neglect is so often behind the missing kids cases.

  • @Paradox_Incognito
    @Paradox_Incognito5 күн бұрын

    The fr*nch naming conventions strike back in today's episode's Michigan lore mention

  • @scallopohare9431

    @scallopohare9431

    5 күн бұрын

    Greeting from Grand Ledge, MI. The Grand River is down the hill from my house. We pronounce the county seat as "Shar LOT," not the more Southern "SHAW lut."

  • @ainebooth9528

    @ainebooth9528

    5 күн бұрын

    greetings from lansing michigan, not far from grand ledge- i always love telling ppl about the small town of pompeii, which is unfortunately pronounced locally as "pompy-eye"

  • @thenegoti8r989

    @thenegoti8r989

    5 күн бұрын

    Greetings from Zeeland Michigan. What’s up? All the old Dutch people in Michigan live around here.

  • @YoungLiam74

    @YoungLiam74

    5 күн бұрын

    got a chuckle out of that as a yooper

  • @kmcp19

    @kmcp19

    4 күн бұрын

    The collective Michigander eye twitch at "Mack-in-ack"...

  • @HarrowsThoms
    @HarrowsThoms5 күн бұрын

    Aiden: please don't make more cases Me, already covered in barbecue sauce and lounging in front of a bear den: oh, *now* you say something?

  • @faiyoake
    @faiyoake5 күн бұрын

    Even if the older stories have little evidence or documentation it’s still fun to hear them deconstructed

  • @windangel7720
    @windangel77205 күн бұрын

    You ought to write your own book on these disappearances with the info you discovered. Poor little Abe. 😢 Every article I've read and video I have watched on Trenny mentioned Simpson, even going so far as to say that Trenny's comb, that she carried everywhere, was found in his car. Also, I found out that star sapphire ring and matching pendant were gifts (from her parents?) and were found to be in the possession of a female classmate who never returned them to her parents. Trenny's case has left me completely confused by the contradictory information to the point that now I am wondering if she even existed at all.

  • @scallopohare9431
    @scallopohare94315 күн бұрын

    Stock car racing began with running moonshine. 😂.

  • @khaychi
    @khaychi5 күн бұрын

    B-But muh Bigfoot! *-David Paulides, probably*

  • @JuliusSqueezer110
    @JuliusSqueezer1105 күн бұрын

    Took the Feds six years to find Eric rudolf

  • @georgiafan775

    @georgiafan775

    5 күн бұрын

    America's hide and seek champion

  • @JuliusSqueezer110

    @JuliusSqueezer110

    5 күн бұрын

    lol Easy now to find him in ADX Florence 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @gern7535

    @gern7535

    5 күн бұрын

    Feds didn't catch him. Local cop did.

  • @michaelhowell2326

    @michaelhowell2326

    3 күн бұрын

    ​@@gern7535I was going to say the same thing, and that was totally on accident.

  • @b00gdabear65
    @b00gdabear655 күн бұрын

    I don't believe that Lore Daddy Attis really hates David Paulidis all that much. I feel like you just gets frustrated that he did a little bit of digging but then didn't verify what he dug up and is trying to show that with a little bit of extra time you can verify what could be truth and what could be false claims

  • @rogerray7820
    @rogerray78204 күн бұрын

    I grew up in the Smokies so far back in the woods we didn't get the Saturday Night Grand Ole Opry until Tuesday morning. Your break down was great with the exception of the spider bite. Most likely a snake bite. March sees snakes out sunning themselves during the day and will find a warm spot(hollow log) in the evening and night. In my 70 years in these hills I've never seen a spider of any kind that could kill even a small rodent much less a healthy 3 year old. Keep up the good work, I really enjoy your vids.

  • @KharonDeLune_vtb
    @KharonDeLune_vtb3 күн бұрын

    I feel like this format - giving the David Paulides (sp?) version of the story before going and dissecting it - actually suits the topic quite well. It starts with how the story was presented as a Missing 411 case, what got it presented in that way, then discusses whether it does or does not truly belong

  • @deerichardz

    @deerichardz

    3 күн бұрын

    You'd like Zealous Beast as well. That's exactly what he does.

  • @KharonDeLune_vtb

    @KharonDeLune_vtb

    3 күн бұрын

    @@deerichardz Thanks for the recommendation!

  • @martialarborist7918
    @martialarborist79185 күн бұрын

    Pro tip: if you want authentic moonshine, don't buy the stuff in mason jars at the liquor store, buy everclear.

  • @crazymorales9170

    @crazymorales9170

    5 күн бұрын

    Wrong but to each their own real moonshine taste way better than store bought liquor depending on who makes it Even if they slap the name moonshine on it don't make it moonshine and ever clear is why to strong of a proof for normal drinkers most people like their shine around 100proof of 50%abv and once you drink real and good moonshine you won't bother wasting money on gov liquor that kills more people then real moonshine

  • @BillMcGirr

    @BillMcGirr

    4 күн бұрын

    🤣🤣🤣🤣 If you want authentic moon shine buy a moonshine still. Everclear.🙄🤯

  • @crazymorales9170

    @crazymorales9170

    2 күн бұрын

    @@BillMcGirr correct

  • @letsdothis9063

    @letsdothis9063

    2 күн бұрын

    ​@@BillMcGirrever clear is technically legal "money liquor". (Contradictory to the newer trend of specialty runs (frog juice, apple pie, ECT) making the the shiner more money. "Money liquor" is traditionally high proof shine made out of the cheapest ingredients (corn and grain). The proof is the selling point, and it's typically a bulk run type of scenario. 90 percent of the shine that you will run across on the black market is going to be this bulk run stuff, and it's the same thing as ever clear. The "Moonshiners" TV show has skewed the public perception of what is actually going on.

  • @magiccookie22
    @magiccookie222 күн бұрын

    I participated in a field research class in the Cosby area of Tennessee so from an ecology perspective I can offer a bit of context. Venomous spiders in this region are way more rare than people think-- especially in March. March can get very cold, and most cold-blooded animals in this climate overwinter one way or another. Spiders seek warmth in places like sheds so you're much more likely to face them on a homestead than out in the wilderness at this time. There is the case for venomous snakes like diamond backs, but they are likewise going to brumate unless its an especially warm March. They recommend inexperienced hikers of the smokies come at latest mid May because that is when venomous snakes start to emerge from brumation. That isn't to say spiders and snakes don't exist in March they most definitely do, but they're going to be sluggish. A noisy three year old is not likely to catch any of these animals by surprise nor are they likely to capture the animal in much a situation where biting is its first response. Its still very possible, especially since he was found in a log where these critters might be hiding. But losing little Abe to exposure is significantly more likely.

  • @doopy85
    @doopy853 күн бұрын

    First off, shiners are mostly good people and wouldn't kill a small child for just seeing anything. They'd run or discredit the kid as being just a child. Mighty reach here internet.

  • @jamieryman
    @jamieryman5 күн бұрын

    I'm with you on DP & going from impressed to suspect 🤔

  • @TimFaulkner-qb5kl
    @TimFaulkner-qb5kl5 күн бұрын

    I fail to believe moonshiners would hurt a 3year old local boy. The dog under the porch leads me to believe a animal is responsible for this disappearance

  • @athanksgivingbaby570

    @athanksgivingbaby570

    4 күн бұрын

    @timfaulkner- Me too. Especially since a 3 yr old can't give evidence even if he recognized what he saw and the Feds weren't really involved in the search. It's highly likely that most of the locals benefited, in one way or another, from the moonshine trade and would likely just tell the boy to hush if he did say anything. No need for murder.

  • @chadro_g1145
    @chadro_g11452 күн бұрын

    As a local to the area I can say this… contact the Sevier and/or Cocke county library. Sevier county’s has a lot of online resources and are always willing to help. Try the Mountain Press, Sevier county’s newspaper or the Knoxville News Sentinel which is the largest in the area and based out of Knox county. The Knox county library may have papers older than the sentinel. Lastly, the area of Cosby could swallow half the world today and people would never be found. Back then it would be far worse, but the people, even kids, would have been FAR more capable than 99.9% of people are today when it comes to survival and navigating the land.

  • @millierae8432
    @millierae84329 сағат бұрын

    My grandmother grew up in Tennessee on a mountain, and she told me about FBI (?) agents going into the mountains and never coming out. She once spoke of one agent who'd been shot by a moonshiner, having to use said moonshine to rinse his guts/wound. That's an image that's always stuck with me. Great video, as always, you guys.

  • @Y2KNW
    @Y2KNW5 күн бұрын

    I found out after my dad's funeral that grandpa had been a moonshiner, his grandfather before that, and that some of my aunts, uncles, and cousins took up the family hobby. Seems like maybe I missed out on a grand tradition.

  • @daisyjoy242

    @daisyjoy242

    Күн бұрын

    Theirs still time

  • @dartmart9263
    @dartmart92633 күн бұрын

    Putting parks under the jurisdiction of the Department of Agriculture doesn’t make much sense today. But, back then when there were so few few parks, it probably prevented duplication of early environmental studies, such as hydrology, soil composition and other analyses.

  • @amrielbang
    @amrielbang3 күн бұрын

    I feel like David probably vets his sources when they don't say anything that helps fit his narrative and then let's it slide when sketchy sources do say things to fit his narrative. He seems like that kind of dude. Anyways, great video as always. ❤

  • @fabamb9801
    @fabamb98014 күн бұрын

    congrats yall finally got to 500k subs sooo happy for u guys ....keep up the awesome work

  • @pablowentscobar
    @pablowentscobar5 күн бұрын

    You should name your line of Bunker Branding "Debunker Branding"

  • @LunaAMorticia
    @LunaAMorticia5 күн бұрын

    We're currently staying in The Cairngorms National Park in Scotland, and I've been really enjoying listening to these videos while getting ready/winding down for the day. Glad I came across the channel! 😄

  • @charissimpson235

    @charissimpson235

    5 күн бұрын

    Hope you’re enjoying it! The cairngorms I believe are also originally part of the same mountain complex that the appalchians were before continental shift! We actually have some similar stories in areas like the Cairngorms (I think the grey man of macdui specifically in the cairngorms)

  • @LunaAMorticia

    @LunaAMorticia

    5 күн бұрын

    ​@@charissimpson235 Ah yeah, the Great Grey Man! We're hoping to get up Ben Macdui, if the weather allows 😄

  • @unwillingfurry9452
    @unwillingfurry9452Күн бұрын

    Aiden, your cold opens always get the exact same reaction out of me, every time I purse my lips, smirk, and pull my chin to the left xD

  • @doopy85
    @doopy853 күн бұрын

    Thank you very much for all the hard work you do! Keep goin man.

  • @thespider7898
    @thespider789814 сағат бұрын

    Shine can be good or it can be bad, it also depends what you're trying to make. A lot of people are essentially making everclear, which has no character. Homemade doesn't mean bad.

  • @VeryDryBones
    @VeryDryBones3 күн бұрын

    Very interesting that this video has some sources listed and not a lot of older videos.

  • @CPC941
    @CPC9415 күн бұрын

    I personally liked the format. I have only recently discovered your channel and find your story telling extremely fascinating. you do an amazing job breaking down each case and your attention to detail is spot on. FYI going into the "history lessons" is one of the best parts of your story telling.

  • @larrynorris9450
    @larrynorris94505 күн бұрын

    Raw boned is a phrase meaning gaunt

  • @rebeccamichelle5500
    @rebeccamichelle55003 күн бұрын

    Cosby native here! Crazy to see our little town on your page!!

  • @TristanandtheMinions
    @TristanandtheMinions4 күн бұрын

    Glad to see the history segment return

  • @kittiesavage2366
    @kittiesavage23665 күн бұрын

    Mackinac is pronounced as gnaw not knack.

  • @michaelp4834
    @michaelp48345 күн бұрын

    Great work, as always, gentlemen!

  • @ventusvindictus
    @ventusvindictus5 күн бұрын

    Love y'all's work! It is exciting to see how the channel has grown over the years.

  • @sandrafreeman515
    @sandrafreeman5154 күн бұрын

    Well, he could have gotten stuck in the log and suffocated or a snake could have bitten him. Fallen logs, hollow or otherwise, are places that snakes like to congregate around.

  • @michaelcarmichiel5804
    @michaelcarmichiel58045 күн бұрын

    Very interesting as always gentlemen. Please continue these as the information you share is so important. Was not expecting to hear a possible relative mentioned - maternal great grandmother was named Christie and originally from Appalachian area. Lol. Thanks again.

  • @estherjamack7717
    @estherjamack77174 күн бұрын

    Thank you for your research. I’m always skeptical when someone repeats a Paulides story. He seems to omit a lot of information in his story telling.

  • @bretwill9417
    @bretwill94174 күн бұрын

    A sal with cubs is not afraid of dogs or people and will fight aggressively

  • @ClintonBeaver-dc4mj

    @ClintonBeaver-dc4mj

    3 күн бұрын

    It happened in March so that gives reasonable cause. January the Cubs are born around March or April sow and cubs would be outside.A three year old might just walk right up to a cub.

  • @kennethmay9002
    @kennethmay90022 сағат бұрын

    From the dog's condition and behavior of hiding, it might have been a mountain lion.

  • @jcdenton6074
    @jcdenton60744 күн бұрын

    I agree with you about Paulides, he doesn't invent evidence but he frequently hyperfocuses on specific points which he is clearly using to misdirect readers. That's as good as lying, in my book. The way he interfered with the DeOrr Kunz case is especially evil.

  • @KnitWitch
    @KnitWitch5 күн бұрын

    Love today's format!

  • @HollyAnnaDavidson
    @HollyAnnaDavidson5 күн бұрын

    Thank you for the great content!

  • @kintustis
    @kintustis3 күн бұрын

    the history segment is basically why i watch

  • @Black_Heart_Defense
    @Black_Heart_Defense5 күн бұрын

    Great video guys, keep up the hard work!

  • @Black_Heart_Defense

    @Black_Heart_Defense

    5 күн бұрын

    Wait you said June 14th and then July😂

  • @kieran2221
    @kieran22215 күн бұрын

    Honestly, I was wondering where the history segments of the videos had gone - I'm very glad they have made a triumphant return!

  • @Ryo7_7
    @Ryo7_75 күн бұрын

    Your research and breakdown is awesome. Dig the music too. 👍

  • @gottabe884
    @gottabe8844 күн бұрын

    My great grandpa and some of his friends moonshined a few summers up in the Sioux City area. They decided it was too much work after like the fourth summer and quit.

  • @jlhanes
    @jlhanes4 күн бұрын

    I absolutely love the history segment!

  • @jlhanes

    @jlhanes

    4 күн бұрын

    ...In all your videos, not just this one.

  • @junkyardsearcher6407
    @junkyardsearcher640718 сағат бұрын

    This video was great, thank you for all of the information!

  • @armphidiic2609
    @armphidiic26095 күн бұрын

    Good coverage on this story; it's not one that I've heard before. Thank you! I also enjoyed the history section.

  • @AbigailG24
    @AbigailG245 күн бұрын

    love when you rip apart bad research! so relieved to have the history section back! so sad for Abe

  • @mrspriss09
    @mrspriss094 күн бұрын

    I love you and these videos! Can’t wait for the merch. Im an amateur research sleuth myself and spend my days researching unsolved murders. It’s my passion :) and these videos are like crack for me ha ha

  • @sandrafreeman515
    @sandrafreeman5154 күн бұрын

    Well, it has been my experience that dogs are afraid of larger predators such as bears. However, again, from personal experience, dogs are terrified of large cats even the smallest of the wild cats in this area (bobcats).

  • @KonwTheTrut
    @KonwTheTrut5 күн бұрын

    Loving your content brother.

  • @stormcat3648
    @stormcat36485 күн бұрын

    This has to be one of the best lore lodge intros LOL

  • @colleenzeltner3427
    @colleenzeltner34275 күн бұрын

    Keep up the great work ✌🏻... Philly love

  • @jeffbybee5207
    @jeffbybee52075 күн бұрын

    I find the idea of moonshiner's firing at a sound very strange. Know your target and dont waste a shot

  • @Brianfailedgot2keepontruckin
    @Brianfailedgot2keepontruckin5 күн бұрын

    I have come to really look forward to new Lore Lodge videos. I'm tired of rewatching all the old one 😂

  • @devinjones1527
    @devinjones15275 күн бұрын

    Lol. I grew up in northwestern NC... have you ever eaten the cherries out of the bottom of the jar? White Lightning was my preferred growing up, apple pie was alright but I don't care much for brown liquor. Also a friend got in the bed of my pickup one time when we picked her up with a plastic cup of just straight mash (or at least I think it was bc we didn't "drink" it, so much as chewed it. It was kind of like grainy soup and yes it was fairly potent). Best I ever got was from an arms dealer in Winston Salem, that stuff was smoooooth and he'd pass around a little plastic Dixie cup for the group and by the second rotation you would already be feeling it lmao and I don't like Arizona tea anymore because that was my chaser while I worked through a quart bc plans fell through and now I have this quart of shine so what am I supposed to do with this. I don't remember a lot of that night after a certain point but I do remember the taste when it came back up 😂

  • @msrosiethegeek

    @msrosiethegeek

    5 күн бұрын

    I grew up in Winston, and I distinctly remember my brother's getting shine and not wanting to tell me where it came from. They always laughed and gave me a cherry though 😂

  • @BoogieBodine
    @BoogieBodine4 күн бұрын

    “Them thar hills” was outta pocket

  • @Kepesk
    @KepeskКүн бұрын

    This series has become "Fact checking David Paulides." And I'm here for it.

  • @LordPhoton-rl4ot
    @LordPhoton-rl4ot5 күн бұрын

    Funny how some one who got into this out of pure curiosity seems to do way more vetting of the facts than an ex cop/detective. I forget if he was detective or just a normal beat cop but either way. You'd think he'd know how important checking up on sources and running everything down either way. So honestly the reason I got into your content so much is because you do some of the most in depth source checking out of pretty much any one else on youtube. Same reason I stopped watching Nerdrotic's woo woo content because they literally do zero fact checking. So good on you brother keep it up, hard work yields the best results.

  • @ryanbrown4053

    @ryanbrown4053

    2 күн бұрын

    Definitely makes me question Paulides' detective career if he was a detective. How many innocent people are in jail or criminals walked free because he sucks at his job

  • @user-hb1yo5ep9y
    @user-hb1yo5ep9y5 күн бұрын

    I don't wanna SHOCK anyone, but I just realized that I have NEVER seen BILL NYE whenever SLENDERMAN was close😮😮😮😮 Mr KENT had a better secret identity

  • @corning1
    @corning13 күн бұрын

    I don’t really watch you anymore but congrats on 500k! Insane.

  • @TheUncleRuckus
    @TheUncleRuckus5 күн бұрын

    What?! David Paulides adding or leaving out information nooooooooooo you must me mistaken 🤣🤣

  • @hawkfalconbirdman3804
    @hawkfalconbirdman38044 күн бұрын

    I did, in fact, want to see the history segment

  • @tater82
    @tater825 күн бұрын

    A guy in Gatlinburg looked just like you this week!!! Oh wow didn’t expect the story to be about Tennessee, I had my message typed before you started.

  • @CGingRun
    @CGingRun5 күн бұрын

    Mak-ah-naw Ojibwe meaning Great Turtle. Beautiful place. I'd consider it the top 50 must travel destinations in The United States

  • @parallellynx7296

    @parallellynx7296

    5 күн бұрын

    Thank you so much for this. As soon as he said that I paused and had to see if anyone else had corrected the pronunciation yet.

  • @CGingRun

    @CGingRun

    5 күн бұрын

    @@parallellynx7296 I didn't even check I paused the video the second he said it and wrote the comment

  • @HotaruTenshi

    @HotaruTenshi

    5 күн бұрын

    I heard him say it and my ears bled a little. Lol.

  • @SessaV

    @SessaV

    5 күн бұрын

    Shhh, don't tell people to visit. Too many tourists lol

  • @xSwordLilyx

    @xSwordLilyx

    5 күн бұрын

    ​@@SessaVdid not experience that myself and it's quite a deliberate journey to make so no real risk of that, also I am sure many businesses rely on visitors. Come visit!

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