MISC Reliant Tana Review | A Star Citizen's Buyer's Guide | Alpha 3.9
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MISC Reliant Tana Review - Welcome to another installment of #AStarCitizensBuyersGuide What's up Citizens, this is SubliminaL here, and today we will be discussing the features, functions, and benefits of the #MISCReliantTana with a comparison of how those features rank among competing ships. So you can make an informed buying decision. Let me know what ship you'd like to see in the next episode down in the comments.#StarCitizen
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Updated Load-out ► subliminal.gg/misc-reliant-tana-loadout/ I pronounced every ship in this review with 100% Accuracy... prove me wrong... 🚀🚀PLEASE READ🚀🚀 🚀🚀The Tana's Default Turrets don't have remote access. However once you add the Kore's turrets your co-pilot will gain remote access. 😃🚀🚀 🚀🚀Toshima Turrets can be purchased Area18 Dumpers Depot.🚀🚀 🚀🚀I pronounced every ship in this review with 100% Accuracy... prove me wrong...🚀🚀 🆓🆓FREE LOCATIONS OF STANTON MOBILE WALLPAPERS🆓🆓 link.subliminalschannel.tv/Imgur According to Erkul.Games the Kore's mounts can be purchased at Area18 Dumpers Depot. 🕐🕑TIMESTAMPS🕐🕑 Subscriber Time Stamp ► 0:01:11 Skip Tour Time Stamp ► 0:05:11
@Baleur
4 жыл бұрын
Could just look it up, takes 1min and lets you learn it for the rest of your life. Thats how life is my man, learning something we didnt know. =) Edit: i didnt hear anything wrong.
@FreakishWizardthegamingwizard
4 жыл бұрын
Koren
@SithLandlord
4 жыл бұрын
I still think the Kore version is pronounced same way you say "Core" where the E is silent.
@pocketheart1450
4 жыл бұрын
Xi'an is pronounced "She-on" I believe.
@alvatoredimarco
4 жыл бұрын
@@SithLandlord Well no, but actually no. It's "Co-Ray". CIG says it this way too. Co-Ray, Tah-Nah, Sen, Mah-Ko. It's a Japanese-descended corporation; you'd use Japanese pronunciations.
Beauty is subjective, I think this ship is gorgeous. You don't need to be fast when whatever you're fighting is dead the moment it enters weapons range. It's only the broadside of a barn if you screw up, this ship is going to teach effective maneuvering in a fight far more effectively than most others would. It sure as hell isn't useless anymore.
@SkyForceOne2
3 жыл бұрын
what i always had a problem with was that its transformation and shape is kinda pointless
@MiteBytes
3 жыл бұрын
@@SkyForceOne2 Impratical, yeah. But cool, absolutely.
@SkyForceOne2
3 жыл бұрын
@@MiteBytes practical and "cool" are not mutually exclusive things. also, a game that claims to be "realistic", yet builds upon such cheap measures to fit a 12-year-old's definition of "cool"?
@MiteBytes
3 жыл бұрын
@@SkyForceOne2 Perhaps we both should keep eachother's comments to ourselves with that attitude.
@kevinli5479
3 жыл бұрын
@@SkyForceOne2 says the one with braum profile photo lmao. What do you think is cool? Flashy toy-like ships?
I really like how you've improved over the last few months. I really enjoy These Reviews. Thank you for making them ^^
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
This is why I'm subbed. I've watched 5 other reviews since 3.9 and literally NOBODY mentioned the missiles except you, while it's the Tana's main feature! Also for any new players, be aware that you can box up your personal inventory (i.e. mined ore) in a cargo box, allowing you to stay longer between trips to go sell ore, BUT you can ONLY do this if you have an actual cargo grid you can stand on. The 1SCU cargo grid may seem tiny, and it is for hauling cargo, but remember that it is a grid and you can stand on it. Thus, it's all you need to do FPS mining. This makes it unique among light fighter ships as the 325a, Arrow, Gladius, and most other light fighters have no cargo grid. Even the 325a's cargo area doesn't count as a grid. In short, the Tana is much more multipurpose than other fighters because of that measly little 1SCU grid.
@polla2256
4 жыл бұрын
Hi been playing a few weeks and haven't noticed this cargo boxing. Can you explain in more detail ?
@vttoc
4 жыл бұрын
@@polla2256 When doing fps mineables and putting rocks in your backpack you will eventually run out of space. However! You can box up everything in your inventory into a box like the delivery mission ones and put it on a cargo grid and sell it like you would when selling stuff out your backpack usally
Wow! Thank you for helping me understand my Tana more. First time watching one of your videos, this is REALLY well made, keep it up :D
You can acquire all the parts recommended by Subliminal with three shopping trips: - Levski Dumpers Depot for the Voyage QT drive - Area 18 Dumpers Depot for the gimbals and - New Babbage (Omega Pro and Center Mass) for everything else Love the video's Subliminal, please keep up the great work... amazing production quality and more importantly, the right/best information. Subscribed.
@jonevans8498
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this info ... I've been flying half across the universe looking for these pieces ... I was told I could get them at CRUs and Hurston ... found the gimbals ... but can't find the coolers / guns / shields. Looks like I'm off to NB tomorrow. :)
@dhaara1
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe u can help with the Voyager QT ? I cant find at NB.
@rchandler6027
4 жыл бұрын
@@dhaara1 Updated my original post You can find the Voyage QT drive at Dumpers Depot in Levski
@dhaara1
4 жыл бұрын
@@rchandler6027 aj ty, sorry i did nôt Saw IT
I was so impressed I subscribed subliminal to your chanal. The information lay outs where even the perfect size to read by phone screen. You are now my go to guy for wepon load outs and ship component upgrades. Looking forward to more content.
oh man you killed me when you dropped that censored word about how slow the ship is. your reviews are the best. entertaining and informative. always love watching. cheers, homie!
Thank you Subliminal for all your good content has helped me pick several ships
Really good, comprehensive overview, with a high production quality :) Thank you particularly for confirming what size hardpoints (with/without gimbals) the wingtips can mount, as well as the 1SCU (not zero, like most of the websites say) of cargo.
@SubliminaLstv
3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
It's been a hot minute since I've watch a video of yours. Wow, upping that game hardcore. Love. It. I love the different verbs you come up with during the stats section. And the graphics you use are just amazing.
Sublime in how comprehensive this is. Love the editing. Very good video!
wow these new layouts you did on the videos these days are great! thank you
your ship presentations are the best! I love it
@SubliminaLstv
3 жыл бұрын
Try! 😁
This good boi is still available in the pledge store so this video comes just right!
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
I tried to get it out sooner but had a lot of bugs in the verse.
Great review, I think you covered everything nicely. I’ve always loved the reliant series and the Tana fits my play style best. I was dissatisfied with it when it was first released because it had no hp. Hopefully it is much better now.
This is a very well produced video, thank you!
Bro been here for a year now and your content has gotten so good. Keep it going man
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
Thanks, your videos are beautifully constructed, fun to watch and a great resource !
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
Really good production - well done!
This has now become my favourite ship. I CCU'd from a 325 to it and haven't looked back (I still have a 325 loaner that came with my 600 that I haven't been in since getting the Tana) The Gilroy gimbals are in a weird place at the moment. there is absolutely no reason to keep them as they are. Hopefully that means a change is coming for those soon (2 size 3's or one size 4 perhaps??) I run a full energy load out, in fact a full Neutron loadout with NN-14 Canons on the turrets And repeaters under the wings. This has allowed me to successfully (although not quickly) take out a Caterpillar. 20 Rattler II missiles just sweetens the deal. The only thing missing to my eye (apart from a few quality of life tweaks) is food prep. but that is missing across the entire Reliant line. I love the Tqna, Tana is good, Tana is life. (This from someone who has a Freelancer MIS and a 600 Explorer)
Tnx for your videos Subliminal, they are different from the others extremely clear and well organized and you do something no one do, swapping documentations! Tnx to your videos i had purchased 3 new ships and im about to purchase the 4th one haha Man you are goinf to broke my wallet lol, im recommending your videos in the game, hope it helps increase your views and subs ^.^
A prisoner pod would be so cool in the Tana
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@jde-jj1lu
4 жыл бұрын
I've been saying this since day 1!
IIRC, Tana's "turrets" are actually high-articulation gimbals. Co-Pilot controls them like a pilot controls standard gimbals, with no remote camera. I think the Toshimas (the twin-gun ones found on the Kore) are real remote turrets with a remote camera. That's likely why you can't enter a remote camera on the Tana gimbals.
@CoreZer0
4 жыл бұрын
Can confirm, with the replace oof those two turrets the copilot can utilize the camera on the turret. I have replaced both turrets and put 2x 215s on each wing. You can choose which wing to view from, but still fire from both as the co pilot.
Quality content my man. Really interesting to watch! I haven’t even played the game. In my opinion the ship looks really cool especially the horizontal to vertical wing change
Just picked this ship up and I LOVE it! I've really struggled with ship combat in Star Citizen and this is the first ship I've flown that works for me.
This ship reminds me of the b-wing from star wars.
@AmorphisBob
4 жыл бұрын
It reminds me of the Piranha from Freelancer
@Admiral_Grufus
3 жыл бұрын
That was the first thing I thought of when I first saw this thing
@Caennuck
3 жыл бұрын
I remember reading somewhere early on in development that the Reliant series used the B Wing as a reference point in concept
@Monody512
3 жыл бұрын
From the front it looks like two B-Wings fused at the cockpit. But the Reliant was also copied AHEM I mean it was the inspiration for a lot of the Korvax ship designs in No Man's Sky.
@Caennuck
3 жыл бұрын
Monody I would have to double check but I am fairly certain that the Reliant series was designed before No Man’s Sky was even released.
this was really well done, dude. It's rare to actually get facts and numbers in a Star Citizen video. Props.
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
Loved this review! You definitely earned a sub, keep up this format
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
I realy like how you layout they way in witch one can up grade the Tana. It lets a new player like myself see the possibility's in it. Thanks for the review.
Greaty review, thank. I agree with your summation on the ship and hastily scribbled down your point on the turrets. That'll be my next upgrade. As someone that usually blats around in a 600i, the Tana is the first ship I've taken out and enjoyed dogfighting with NPCs. It's just fun to fly. I had a 325A a while back but didn't understand the mechanics of the game as well as I do now so a revisit to Origin could also be on the cards. Thanks for great content! Cheers
First video I saw of your channel, and I've already subscribed. Nice shots, cool editing, good info, lovely voice and intonation. And your After Effects skills are worth of notice. Nice.
@SubliminaLstv
3 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
Great stuff dude! I got mine yesterday and dam its so hot! But i wonder that no one talks about bugs? So i was freakinly excited to jump in and then it has a bug where i cant enter the cockpit. Just prone works, but to get out with prone is horror.. Next thing is that i cant claim it anymore..
I loved this ship for it's middle payload, it was a great ship even before. I dropped it from my fleet for only one reason. If you loose a wing your total payload is halved and your ability to maneuver is shot. It's a good ship but I agree, needs big shields. Thanks for the great content and I look forward to your next one!
Love the tana now had to pick one up for the buy back list at least. Will buy one outright when I have some cash
LOVE it! Keep 'em coming
I just purchased the Reliant Tana today, I've been eyeing that ship for a very long time. It's incredibility fun to fly, and can't wait to finish more missions to get more in-game money so I can make some needed improvements to it. Due to the changes in ballistics, I've opted for a full set of Attrition s.
the next time one crosses my way i wont smiling ..neither will you ... weellll ... i fly the vanguard Sentinel .... :D have just found youre chanel ... youre content is awsome !! thanks
Great review with matching video footage! While not perfect (Kore still needs a little more scu) CIG did pretty good buffing the Reliant series. It used to be a useless craft, now the advanced starter category has a few extra ships to consider. Personally i don't have much use for it but still got one for its quirkiness :)
great video like the way you presented your review. really need to see you fly it
Just bought the full set you made on Displate. Was JUST talking to the Mrs about something like that for the office. Great content as always. Both video and artwork
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you! When the come in and you get them set up tweet a photo at me!
@singulant
4 жыл бұрын
@@SubliminaLstv Will do. The house is being built but they have a nice temp spot lined up 👍
Crisp review series man.
Lol I love how my comment about the Pisces being the cutest ship in the game is in every video now :D
You make amazing videos!
Excellent review! 👍🏽
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 👍
As usual, fantastic video.
Bro this is great stuff, thank you.
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Np 😊
Subliminal over here with the new cool editing. Good informative video, love the new visuals.
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Sharing is caring!
My setup for the tana is very similar to yours, but I changed out the size 1 guns with fixed size 2 dominance scatterguns. It's slightly less good against small ships, but against anything cutlass size and up it's a big decrease to the ttk. It also means you can still keep on fighting even after running out of ammo and missiles.
I was so close to get me a Reliant but then I decided to go with the Cutlass Black. Still, the Reliant is one of the most beautiful ships in the game. I just love to see how it changes flight modes. And that "It drops bombs like Hiroshima" came totally unexpected. That's exactly my type of humor! :D
Oh my God! This was one of the best review that I saw, not only because it was from Star Citizen, but the content that you made was amazing! Congratulation for the amazing work!
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@borgotchongo
4 жыл бұрын
@@SubliminaLstv How did you do those effect where the label follow the item inside the video? It was very cool. Could you give me just the name, please? Than I can make a search. I have a KZread Channel too that talks about Star Citizen. But I'm brazilian, so I do content just in Portuguese. Anyway, thanks for the awesome content!
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the late reply. I used Affter Effects 3D Camera Tracker. Make sure you say a prayer for your CPU!
@borgotchongo
4 жыл бұрын
@@SubliminaLstv Thanks for the help!
That old thick commercial was hilarious.
Dude, I think the Reliants look AWESOME! But, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder
IMPORTANT information: Reliant bug with beds. If you log out from bed, when you log back in, the ship is in flight configuration with the vertical wing so you can’t access the cockpit!!... (In 3.9 it will probably change but when?) So beds unusable! Didn’t know that before buying the Sen and it’s quite frustrating... But the ship is a joy to fly, incredible view, smooth... And the design is unique... Thank you @Subliminal for your videos always a pleasure to watch!
What an interesting ship. I just might need to try this one out.
You have a great channel!
By far my favorite ship 😍
Bought it and despite it's drawbacks I love it. Just need to fix that rear access problem when in verticle mode and that logout glitch when the ship goes verticle when you log back in. Fix that and the Tana and the Sen will be my main ships from now on.
Really good job, its basically everything i want to see in a SC video when looking at ships. Did you forget to say the price in Ig credits ?
I love my Tana, it's my go to mission ship.
The Reliant is not ugly!! 😁😍
One major draw for this ship that I learned from my fleet mates: The Tana is the STEALTHIEST SHIP in SC currently. You heard that right. With the right loadout, it has the lowest EM signature of any ship in the verse. So when she's being stealthy, she's almost impossible to find on radar, and when you find her... well it's too late as she's already got you locked and sent a huge payload your way.
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
If that's true, that's excellent.
@GarikDuvall
4 жыл бұрын
Equipped with a Snowblind and a Slipstream (with weapons, shields, & Q drive off), this ship has an EM sig of just 128. That with 6 Scorpions, 20 S2 missiles, and an enemy having little notice before being on the receiving end of those... equals a formidable lil fighter. For comparison, with the same systems the other ships signatures are as follows: Tana: 128 Tracker: 212 Ghost: 214 Gladiator: 224 Sabre : 249 Eclipse: 249 Razor EX: 300 Raven: 1,552
I really want this ship but currently I have no ship to carry my bike lol. Probably gonna get a cutlass but I'd still love this, could always purchase in game
Now you need to do a review on the Mustang Delta. Doesn't seem like anyone has touched it in a long time🤞
Nice review :)
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
Just got this ship last night and I'm super happy with it. Let a buddy of mine fly it last night as well and now he wants one. Has that B-Wing feeling from Star Wars.
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@loneleo09
4 жыл бұрын
@@SubliminaLstv Already upgrading components exactly like you recommended. Your video really helped me in doing this as the ship component system is very confusing and overwhelming.
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
No problem, thanks for watching!
Little mistake at 13:20. You said that if it has it's landing gear down. Thats wrong. You mean up. But again very nice review. I really like the Tana. Just changed my 325 to the Tana. I like the look of the ship. I like that is has bed, shower & toilet. It has a litte bit space for cargo and an easy to acess entry. (my 325 was sometimes bugged when i tried to enter) The Tana has a great view. And if upgraded it has an amazing firepower. (Outfitted mine with 6 laser repeaters) The ship has three major problems. One was mentioned, the problem with no chance to leave the seat as long as the landing gear is up. Next is a bugged bed. You can't use the log in function. Third is shield holes. It can loose the wings even with shields up. (and maybe the truster) Hope they will fix these issues soon. And it could have a litte bit more thruster power. Or be a bit more nimble. But even with the problems it's my favourite ship in SC. I really enjoy it.
Just to start... I love your videos about ship loadouts and reviews on how they perform in game. So I have been playing a long time in SC, I wrote off the reliant as kind of a ugly duckling. I always kind of assumed "hey, if you like it there's nothing wrong with that... but its not for me" when you did this review you could not get it in game, but now you can and its not expensive. Soo I picked it up after a friend mentioned it being pretty solid and.... let me tell you. compared to a lot of ships the reliant tana almost feels overpowered. my loadout is close to yours but I swapped gatlings for the FL-22 guns. either 4 FL-22 with 2 FL-11 or just do all 6 FL-22 and have 2 of them fixed. either way seems solid. For PVE doing bounties this ship is a absolute beast. I can jump in and in 20-40min of gameplay I can make 200-400k if not more if I am skilled... and the star map doesn't slow me down. does it handle badly... sure but its only really bad when you compare it to a gladius or arrow. but their damage potential is laughably bad by comparison. I play using gimballed assist with a joystick, so if you have all guns set to gimbals the reliant tana blows nearly all other ships away. and if you toss in a all strike force 2 loadout for missiles it seriously starts making no sense why this has not been nerfed. I used to fly a hornet with fixed and gimballed loadouts... and I took more damage and died more often I used to fly a arrow with fixed setups, and its fun... dont get me wrong. but my time to kill is still hilariously good in the reliant. I used to fly the bucc which is cool cause I can land it in my carrack........... but having all the same gun does make the reliant a bit better. -> that said though I did have a hilarious session once where I damaged my bucc to the point where it was just a cockpit with the 2 s3 fixed guns and the 1s4. you only have maneuvering thrusters at this point.... but i still managed to jump around and kill HRT and VHRT bounties... which was silly. I love the looks of the sabre and the gladius... in the cool compeition they win every day of the week. but its real hard to argue with the output of the reliant tana... AND IT HAS BEDS and room for boxes... you can do box missions and bounties, and log out... all of this for only around 1mil aUEC to buy and outfit with top of the line stuff. like i said up top... I wrote this ship off... but wow was I wrong. I currently could fly, a vanguard sentinel, cutlass black, bucc, and a hornet... all of which are fully kitted out... but i still fly the reliant for PVE. LONG post I know but I thought you might find it interesting.
Contentious ship though I love it. And own one. Great work sup keep it up.
Love your videos. What video editing software do you use.
I wanted the Sen as an intro level science ship.... that said, finding yourself fighting pirates is still an issue that will occur, this helped me understand how to equip my Sen so she can keep herself alive to collect the data she needs and get home safely.
Could you do an updated Cutlass Black video that goes over good weapon and component upgrades like your more recent videos?
This is from the ship page on the website. I found it interesting considering the current power output. (I really want a Reliant.) "Easy to maintain with a rugged construction, the Reliant Tana makes for an ideal choice for frontier and outpost defense thanks to its custom high-yield power plant, stronger shields and additional weapon mounts."
I just took on a Hornet with a pilot and co-pilot in a dogfight. Shredded them in seconds with my full gatling load-out. Needs the prisoner holding cell instead of the scu though!
@2muchofyou
4 жыл бұрын
Na both
ty for your video. May i ask what gaming specs you use?
I've wanted reasons to keep the Tana since they concepted it but it was always lacking, good job 3.9 (upgraded a spare pisces CCU token to one) :)
thanks for guide. like it. i can't find wing gimbal. where can i buy it ? thanks.
This ship is my main at the moment! I will say though that both of the gimbaled weapons can be independently aimed / controlled by the co-pilot while the pilot flies, so it doesn't actually need remote turret access like on the Kore. It's not a bug ^-^
I have said it before this is a great support ship for the faster fighters and having one to back you up.
I wanted to buy the tana standalone but there are no buying options listed for any of the reliant series except kore. help?
I was choking when u said it drops bombs like Hiroshima
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
: )
@user-bg7us5bv6n
4 жыл бұрын
so, it gets nuked? hiroshima is known for having a bomb dropped on it, not for bombs it dropped. wut u thinkin subliminal?
@Eneov
4 жыл бұрын
Damn, I want one now.
@burningblackknight8237
4 жыл бұрын
@@user-bg7us5bv6n woosh
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
I think obie trice dropped a line like that on Eminem LP and every time I hear drops bombs like... I think of that.
Like the prisioner pod idea. The Tana could be a pretty decent advocacy ship.
Load out for tana ( try this) bulldog/badger mix. It shreds. looking for a stronger cooling pair up 10 second over heat is the downside( overclock)
Traded in my Avenger Titan for one of these since I never fly it any more. Was thinking of the exact loadout you suggest, but due to bugs in 3.9 I lost pretty much all my cash at a Dumpers Depot terminal and it keeps crashing when I try to earn more. I hope to get a chance to actually fly the ship once 3.9.1 comes out.
I think it's a wonderful fleet ship. A Tana supporting a pirate gank or escorting a trade ship seems like a great place for it. Also a decent mission runner. Finally, if you're bad at the game like me, that many missiles can carry you through dogfighting a bit, with the health pool to survive some oopsies.
I am having trouble understanding the turrets on this ship. is there even a rmeote turret or do you need to buy one
I really like your reviews. Do you plan to do a review or comparison video for hawk?
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!, I will eventually, not sure how soon though.
I plan this to be my light personal transport... With those weapons I can easily defend myself and with those amenities long travels will be so much easier.
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
agreed!
Where can i found grey shop? Tell me please the link
Are the Toshima turrets available in any store in the game as of right now ?
The Tana makes a really nice fighter for a new player now. It's durable, can have good firepower, and with the space for a box or two, beds to logout in, I think it's finally in a good place. If they fix the rotation during quantum so you can get up and square away the co-pilot capabilities, this could be a really great starter fighter.
if i didnt already have a 325a, i would get one, i like the reliant style. i think i will get myself a Zen once its gameplay gets implemented.
@SubliminaLstv
4 жыл бұрын
325a is bettor for sure.
only thing i want different is for the 2 size one guns to be located on the top and bottom of the cockpit in the center, right now it has an awkward firing angle problem when in vertical flight mode and it would make the ship more symmetrical that way to.
if i wanted to go full laser build could i stay with these comps and change the guns? and if so what repeaters would i go with?
Wait were you flying in vertical flight mode when in Atmosphere when doing the testing?, because if you were the drag would cause the ship to fly much slower in Atmosphere if you weren't using the Horizontal flight mode.
I really love the tana so much I drive it everyday even though I have way more ships but I hate the fact that it’s been 2 years and we barely have seen any upgrades or rework on this ship like the dejectable cockpit or the bedlogging problems or the fact that it has some weird turbulence sometimes I really hope the tana gets reworked on soon so I can log out cause it’s my daily driver and I would love to be able to sleep in it properly
Hi through all the personal armor types, and where how to obtain them
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This sounds like a great little fighter. Smallest heavy fighter :)
I was able to access the turrets from the co-pilot seat. I think you either had gimbals installed, or just had trouble finding the right place for the mouse courser. I also prefer the Atlas to the Voyage. It can make the trip from ARC L5 to microtech at 72 MKm, the longest trip currently in game. It only adds 5 seconds to the PO to Microtech jump over the Voyage.