Was your mind blown?!? If you want Dorian to teach a course on shading let us know in the comments.

@danielport4771

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve just started my a-levels, your videos are helping me get started with the fundamentals properly

@alphinart

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! 🤯 Extremely useful info! That’s why my last couple portraits didn’t look right! (My lights were too dark)

@fkhan2006

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! This video was so helpful! I would love a full shading course so much

@ishigod5094

3 жыл бұрын

YES YES YES YES

@manubiondo5713

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, please

"The closer we get to shadow, the faster it darkens" sounds like a principle for life.

@gaivsvalerivs5818

3 жыл бұрын

Darkness within darkness

@ryanmeyer3268

3 жыл бұрын

That's kinda dark ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

@FrenchToast663

3 жыл бұрын

life imitates art

@bethleblanc656

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@med-2014

3 жыл бұрын

@@emj850 that’s true!

I learned something new today! Identify the Terminator right away so he doesn’t destroy my drawing! ✍️

@NixisI

3 жыл бұрын

just trust me

This is really an eyeopener .. thanks Proko & Dorian I'd really want Dorian to teach a course on shading

@icemarle

3 жыл бұрын

He does! Dorian has a whole course on his website. www.theshadingcourse.com/

First Time I have read the word "mind blowing" in a title of video that actually managed to blow my mind!

@yeshnavale

3 жыл бұрын

*****NOT CLICKBAIT******

@celconviction451

3 жыл бұрын

right???

@jeturpo

3 жыл бұрын

So true

Dorian was my teacher at the Barcelona Academy of Art :p. The first time he taught us this, it was indeed mind blowing!!!!!!

@rockymegaman8496

3 жыл бұрын

Lucky! That must have been awesome having a teacher like him!

This was so fun to work on, thanks Proko & team! 🙌🙌

@mohamedaslam7809

2 жыл бұрын

Your explanation was great Thanks man ❤️

@henseltbrumbleburg3752

2 жыл бұрын

You really opened my mind on this one. Great insight. Thanks for providing this.

@Leabruh

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us 🙏

@julianmancipeacuna7314

Жыл бұрын

Sir, I really hope you teach a shading course somewhere sometime soon. This was amazing!

@DorianIten

Жыл бұрын

@@julianmancipeacuna7314 the Shading Course is live at www.theshadingcourse.com and www.proko.com/course/the-shading-course :)

A full course in Proko? Hell yes! (And the Marshall's Course of perspective)

@hervethibert-hamilton5424

3 жыл бұрын

Marshal's course too! YES!!!

@acxe212

3 жыл бұрын

WE NEED THAT

@marikothecheetah9342

3 жыл бұрын

Where can I see at least the peek of Marshall's perspective course?

@casperado666

3 жыл бұрын

@@marikothecheetah9342 i second that question

@kaizoku4483

3 жыл бұрын

@@marikothecheetah9342 kzread.info/dash/bejne/hGpkx5uYn8m8Zps.html

It's almost as if he knows all of the art problems I've been dealing with this month O.O

@thiagovieira1791

3 жыл бұрын

That's true

@JmmanuelKondo

3 жыл бұрын

right lol

@rottenpizza8800

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr

Dorian shows works from his student days wtf, I need another lifetime.

@futurestoryteller

3 жыл бұрын

My drawings were praised for most of my life, but I never got formal training, and I stopped drawing for a long while. I don't think anything I do is of professional quality. In some ways there's nothing more infuriating than seeing what Sargent could do at 19. It makes you feel like if you were ever any good you should be there by now. But who knows, negative outlooks aren't conducive to positive results.

@izagen_

3 жыл бұрын

@@futurestoryteller Don't compare yourself with other people. Other people have other problems and other lives.

@vashdesigns1556

3 жыл бұрын

A friend and my great teacher Burne Hogarth once told me that I would never draw the way he did, but would draw the way I do.

I've been an artist for 12 years and this is by far the most mind-blowing concept i have learned in those years. Literally took time out to observe every object in my studio after watching this video and it felt like a veil was lifted from my eyes! Absolutely incredible!

This was really interesting, and I certainly feel like it will help a lot of students! But, I feel like there is one pretty huge thing to remember about this lesson, which is Local Value! This Lambert Scale works great for very lightly colored objects, but remember if you are shading a dark object, you won't be able to have such a dramatic difference between the light and shadow family of values. When you have an object or model with a naturally dark local value, the value structure will have to be shifted. That being said, the Lambert Scale can still be used for shading the light family, but a tonal shift will need to accompany it to accommodate for dark local values.

@Ellionart

3 жыл бұрын

Also it only works for spotlight, not diffused light

@Gondohar

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ellionart - I think it could work for other lighting conditions, but it would be MUCH more complex. For diffused lighting, it seems like you would just need to consider the fact that a lightly colored object would be very bright and you would only see ambient occlusion.

@McKurdi

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gondohar glad I’m not the only one here noticing this. I have not even once done a drawing where I can go from light to dark so fast, if I do that it becomes flat and ruins my drawings. And I do a lot of realism so my job is 80% shading, even with my tattoos since I’m a tattoo artist as well. This lambert value scale don’t make sense at all. The more values, especially the mid to darker tones I give my drawings, the more depth they get.

@McKurdi

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gondohar even the drawings he shows in the video doesn’t follow the lambert scale lol. They all have a very smooth transition, as it is supposed to be of course

@zerosenpai4324

3 жыл бұрын

it works with an object with one light source and turning off the bounce light because bounce light is just another light source but so much weaker. If you apply the law to every light ray. It will look realistic. This law is how we identify form.

My God...I have been living in the dark all this time!!

@EliteprosoldierMW3

3 жыл бұрын

Nice joke really set the tone ;)

@McMcEnio

3 жыл бұрын

@@EliteprosoldierMW3 overall it' a value-able lesson :)

@mikeames8339

3 жыл бұрын

Well, now you have seen the light. ; )

@adventuresinartfromthesute1046

3 жыл бұрын

But not as dark as you thought.

@paulkothgasser6623

3 жыл бұрын

You just gotta keep your head up. Around 10 degrees up

When Proko says you'll be mind-blown, you will definitely be mind-blown.

I drew two eggs, and they’re the most realistic looking eggs I’ve ever drawn. Drawing along YT videos is really a game changer.

I've worked in 3d graphics and shader programming a little bit, and I was a kinda surprised how the description of using planes at the beginning was basically the same as the math behind basic 3d shading. It's all derived from the same basic logic, in the end

My mind was totally blown, I would love to see a full-on shading course. Thanks for the great content.

This immediately improved my art. I can't stress enough how life changing this information is. If you're an artist, I IMPLORE you to try and grasp this concept. Great work, Proko. 👌👍

I'd def be down for a full shading course with even more Terminator references.

Thank you so much, for explaining " the lightest dark is Darker than the darkest light". Before some days ago, I read a ebook 'reilly method of use of tone in figure drawing ' , and there was a paragraph, written down about *the munsell color notation system* they had similar tagline, that is " the Darkest dark of a light are shouldn't be darker than light. { Light, gray and light gray) ❤❤❤

This is definitely new to me. Also, the amount of work he put into shading that egg gave me a new level of appreciation to fine artists 👌

I’ve never seen light explained quite this way before, this was brilliant!

Oh, I definitely would love to see Doran teaching a full shading course. This single video is fantastic btw!!

@DorianIten

Жыл бұрын

the Shading Course is live at www.theshadingcourse.com and www.proko.com/course/the-shading-course :)

That really did blow my mind. Wowww. I sort of knew the tones near the terminator should be a bit darker so that there's a nice gradation from the light side to the shadow side, but I didn't know there was a science to it! And I also didn't know about "dirty" lights where you could mistakingly make the tones on the light side too dark. Thank you! Thank you for the step-by-step process as well. As an inexperienced artist, I always never know where to begin. I just fumble my way through until it looks right. But having a process will help do things faster and confidently.

This was really helpful. I noticed when I took my drawing class at school that Shading was one of my weakest points to tackle. I so would love for Dorian to do a shading course. :) Also thanks Stan for introducing me to these lovely artists the past decade i've been following ya.

ive watched this video 3 times and studied every single minute of it in my sketchbook. your passion for teaching stan and featuring skilled artists is invaluable information and am indebted to you. thankyou

Yes, Dorian shading course please. I love things like this, full physics explaination before the tips and tricks. Stan blew by mind a year ago with lightest dark/darkest light but the way Dorian got there really made achieving that effect click.

I have taken computer graphics classes that discussed lambert's law as an engineer and I can't believe I didn't remember it at all while learning to draw and shade. This was an amazing video, thanks so much!

Oh woooow, now I’ve truly seen the light! 🤩 Mindblowing, indeed! 😄💪

Yes, we want Dorian to teach a course on shading please! Thanks a million for this colaboration and sharing! I'm reposting all of your content on My media Proko! Greetings from Mexico City!

I really thought I understood this concept until today. This was life changing as far as art goes, I've been using the linear concept, and now I see why my art looked off. The most helpful thing in this video, and something that I loved, was the fact that you used visuals and graphics in unison as Dorian spoke, this really drove the message home for me. I've gone to class and had multiple instructors say this very thing to me, but because there was no visual illustration as it was being explained, I didn't learn this concept, and it's hurt my art for years. Thank you guys for this video, it's wonderful to wake up and learn something new!

What I love about this video is that he explains a principle of science and light, then he shows how to apply it to a medium like drawing. Some teachers do one or the other, but not both in the same video. Thanks!

I've never been this early. Edit: This is very useful to me! When I shade my drawings look so dark, now I know why

@parallelpalmtrees

3 жыл бұрын

early gang rise up!

@watermelonfelon2777

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@Radio..

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@manubiondo5713

3 жыл бұрын

Totally

@abdelrahimm.mahjob3404

3 жыл бұрын

Same

"Yeah, whatever. I bet I'm not going to learn anything new" Then my mind was blown! Thank you for the great information. Loved the little cartoon clips in this too

This is so well done Dorian! Yes, a full-blown shading course would be great for those of us who learn from both the academic and the technical.

I find this guy's explanation very valuable. Please invite him to do more.

I’m going to need to start saving for his courses. I’m saying yes to a course on Proko.

The sharpness of his pencil gives me anxiety

@AblackGenie

3 жыл бұрын

💀💀💀

@etienneh357

3 жыл бұрын

Came here to say the same 😂 !!! Ahahaha

@unorthodoxbox

3 жыл бұрын

You should see my clutch pencils, love those things. The sharpener makes them super sharp I could class it as a weapon.

@thomasbuysse3159

3 жыл бұрын

@@unorthodoxbox Well, now I wanna see them😅

@unorthodoxbox

3 жыл бұрын

Thomas Buysse rpsrally.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Staedtler-502-2mm-Lead-Pointer-Tub_data1.jpg this is an example but this image doesn’t lie, it’s that sharp! I have accidentally stabbed my self in the leg with it once and certainly felt it!

It explains so much! The reason art looks realistic in shading isn't because there's more shade than light it's because it's the exact opposite, one angle greatly increases the percentage, so basically if you want realistic shading don't go all out instead work it up slowly until the light highlights the drawing. It's either light or no light!

I am so grateful that these artists share their knowledge

dorian makes it very interactive with his 3d stuff.

wow this was extremely helpful

what an EGGcelent lesson! I really struggled with the darkest halftones being either too dark or not dark enough and now my eyes are opened!!

The best shading lesson I ever had. especially the Lambert scale and cosine function, I will never forget the rule. Thanks Dorian and Proko ❤️

*THROWS ALL OF MY MONEY AT THE FULL SHADING COURSE!*

This is why teachers says that math is every where

@marikothecheetah9342

3 жыл бұрын

Too bad maths teachers actually don't teach it. :D You have exercises like this: Tom bought 200 bananas (who does that?) He gave 2/3 to his friends (lost a bet or something? Or is he friends with gorillas? I don't mind, just curious) Half of what he had left he gave to grandma (awww, what a good boy...) and was left with four bananas. (what?) How many bananas did he gave to his friends and to his grandma? - now, motivation for something like this is definitely high :D I already got lost at 200 bananas. I mean - WHY? :D

@djfunkychicken

3 жыл бұрын

and yet most math teachers can't draw

@nguyentranminhthoi8962

Жыл бұрын

@@marikothecheetah9342 The answer is Tom broke.

@marikothecheetah9342

Жыл бұрын

@@nguyentranminhthoi8962 The only one that comes to my mind. Thank you :)

This video changed my art forever.

For sure, bring Dorian on

@3:30 i did calculation and got 17.36% of brightness after 80 degree rotation mathematically

@wakabaloola

3 жыл бұрын

exactly

@ronfrancis6012

3 жыл бұрын

@@wakabaloola He converts from radiance to brightness. Seemingly with a gamma correction formula.

I would love to get a course from Dorian.

This is what i wanted to learn and study in art school. Unfortunately, many of my tutors held a standing of; if you’re here, then your craft is adequate, so let’s focus on expression and ideas... which is fine i guess, but having attended that university’s night classes from the age of 8, the degree course at 18 is far from what i expected of the degree course... In the end i dropped out and continued to learn from books and my own observations. Thank you guys so much for producing these videos and exposing us to the thoughts and lessons from these artists! It’s too often a rarity that we get to see the utility of the internet actually purposed so effectively! Thanks a bunch!

Wow, its crazy how much more info can be conveyed with just a little bit of added shadows along the curve. When the gradient was smoothed i was like whoa. Def. mind blown

I think there's a mistake. Considering lambert cosine law at an angle of 80° you should get 17% of the light. A 45% is more to a 55° angle. Or am I wrong on lambert law?

@AdmiralSamStarcraft

3 жыл бұрын

That is correct for the radiance, but I think he also takes into account our nonlinear perception of brightness. When a surface is reflecting 50% of the light, we interpret it as 75% brightness. So the “linear” scale he showed was actually nonlinear in brightness but linear in perceived brightness.

@___9136

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdmiralSamStarcraft That explains why it reminded me of sRGB vs linear RGB luminance diagrams. It looks like the equation is something like cos(n) ** 0.4545 then (results: [1.00, 0.99, 0.97, 0.94, 0.89, 0.82, 0.73, 0.61, 0.45, 0.00]) .4545 or (1/2.2) is an approximation of the standard sRGB gamma curve. so.. I THINK that the values shown are specified in sRGB space, but as a percentage. That has some problems, mainly that it really only works for that particular color -- you can't just scale the values to get the correct curve for mid-grey, for example. You have to calculate where the color you want is in linear scale, remove the gamma correction from the curve, scale the curve, and re-apply the gamma correction. Well.. my conclusion is that supplying the values in the particular format he has, is much less useful than it looks. Working in linear color in your paint program would be a more solid way to address this.

@morebagful

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdmiralSamStarcraft So the explanation is only partly to do with physics/optics and the explanation for the rest is to do with how perception works?

@teinili

3 жыл бұрын

I dont know anything ablout gamma correction or whatever but If you simulate the Situation with blender and select sRGB as a Display Device you get the scale he shows in the Video. But if you switch to "None" the values are the actual cosine values. Not sure what I can conclude from that though :D *Edit: Just realized the values didnt match for the lighter areas so I am very confused now

@morebagful

3 жыл бұрын

@@teinili I don't doubt that the overall conclusion is pretty much right, and think that the lesson is very valuable; it's certainly a trap I've fallen into. It's just that the explanation is a bit off.

I love your videos I am from India 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

Thank you for this, I was just finished getting a refresher on Tones reading my Loomis book and this video perfectly compliments it, I had no idea about the Lambert Value Scale and I will use it with my tone studies.

Thanks you! I've been painting and drawing for a million years, and the Lambert scale is a revelation!

ah yes, a swiss fellow.. "but i'm not good at math.." HOW DARE YOU SIR! ***CLOSES VIDEO IN DISGUST***

I don’t understand where Dorian is getting his numbers from (?); doesn’t Lambert’s cosine law give: cos(80 degrees) = 17% rather than (3:09) 45% and cos(10 degrees) = 98% rather than (3:58) 99% ?

@iadtag1853

3 жыл бұрын

Talk about staying on your lane. He tried explaining the physics of it, man. But failed in some ways. The incidence angle part is also cringeworthy but you just have to understand to understand I guess.

@wakabaloola

3 жыл бұрын

iadtag look. Dorian supposes that all artists have got shading wrong in a subtle way, and then goes on to explain the correct way. the concepts are nicely explained, the first 8 min are all about Lambert’s cosine law. However, all numbers and tables quoted are wrong (the first 8 min), so i’m slightly surprised that (a) proko didn’t realise this; (b) that Dorian didn’t realise this. In particular, in addition to the mistakes i mentioned above, all numbers in the table at 4:11 are wrong, the correct values (to two significant figures) being, 10 -> 98% 20 -> 93% 30 -> 86% 40 -> 76% 50 -> 64% 60 -> 50% 70 -> 34% 80 -> 17% 90 -> 0% the so-called Lambert value scale at 4:52 is consequently wrong also, because it it based on the table the sphere shading at 5:07 also looks wrong (it transitions too sharply to darks), again because it is based on the. wrong scale the cosine function diagram at 5:48 doesn’t look like a cosine everything after the Lambert scale discussion, after 8:10, is excellent imho, although that was meant to be an add on.

@ronfrancis6012

3 жыл бұрын

@@wakabaloola The cosine law gives the radiance, but he is also converting radiance to brightness. I think he's using a simple gamma correction formula used in sRGB because the more accurate formulas make the values a little lighter that he states.

@wakabaloola

3 жыл бұрын

@RonFrancis thanks for your input, it’s appreciated. what is the relation between radiance and brightness? can you point to a reference? Dorian mentioned a cosine dependence, and if the said conversion you mention involves the angle it won’t be a cosine anymore.

Awesome! Thank you

This was awesome ! Thank you for having him and I would love to have more lessons from him.

Never came so early Thats what she said

@futurestoryteller

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but... who to?

This guy is really shady.

@Indianpainters

Ай бұрын

Y

@Xenotango364

Ай бұрын

Crazily underrated take my like

This was amazing! 🤗So helpful! Thanks Proko and Dorian! I would love to see more of Dorian's shading tutorials, I am especially interested how to apply this with color🌈

Dorian throws some shade on shading! A full course would be great!

So this is why i get irked when im looking at my shading.

isn't cos(80°) = 0.174 not 0.45.

@user-kq4ry4jj1x

3 жыл бұрын

well, there is a hidden factor.. 'lightness' and 'luminance' is different. lightness = L*(cos 80) = L*(0.174) = 0.45. author didnt explain in this video.

@lantzusn

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-kq4ry4jj1x OMG thank you. Finally, an answer.

@theonetribble5867

3 жыл бұрын

But then cos(0) isn't 1 any more. Is L dependent on the angle as well?

@user-kq4ry4jj1x

3 жыл бұрын

@@theonetribble5867 no. '*' is not 'X(multiply)'. 'L*' is L star'. more information about this 'CIELAB' in wikipedia.

@ronfrancis6012

3 жыл бұрын

@@theonetribble5867 ?? cos(0) = 1. L is a formula for converting radiance to brightness. In the video, it was a simple gamma scalar which is fairly close to more realistic formulas.

This is AMAZING. Never seen such a formulaic approach towards values. Brilliant!

I have read all the Dorien's articles few years back. All of them were really helpful and dirty halftones in particular stuck in my mind and I always try to bare this rule in mind while creating. Another thing for me was penumbra, accuracy training and memory training (with two papers - either one in different room). I will definitely have round two with those articles...

I don't know why, but this vid makes me yell.

@kmac7284

3 жыл бұрын

Same reaction!! But I know the reason, I kind of knew this going-dark-too-early deep in my subconscious but here Dorian articulated it and now it is more clear to me how "perceived brightness was interfering with use of the linear greyscale tool!

I am first and no one cares

@catchannelMF

3 жыл бұрын

i do

@adammasterx5854

3 жыл бұрын

hatsumaki ↁ_ↁ cool

@crystalbautista4339

3 жыл бұрын

I do too (σ´∀`)σ

@joshlabadie14

3 жыл бұрын

Me too buddy I’m happy you’re happy.

@adammasterx5854

3 жыл бұрын

Josh Labadie thanks, I guess

Marshall's perspective and Dorian's shading course will probably be the most important courses for beginners. I am really excited about this.

I think its the best Art lessons, tips and Arts concepts channel in the whole web, cuz besides the proko didactics and very clever precise lessons, here we find a lot of professionalism, a very accurate sense of artworks and drawing knowledge and a lot of interesting issues brought by very nice artists that really love to draw. Thank you very much, mr. Proko, you really make a great difference in our fantastic world of Arts. Im very glad that there still good artists in this world like you and all the people you brought to your channel interested purelly in their love for their professions. 😁

MIND SO BLOWN. WHAT GOOD WAS ART SCHOOL. I LOVE DORIAN AND PROKO

A full course on shading and lighting? Yes, please! I'm currently learning about the fundamentals, and this would be sooo helpful :O

I 100% love Dorian and would LOVE to see him teach a course on Proko. He's genuinely funny and charming and this lesson was really helpful. Totally mind-blowing. At first with the math stuff I was pretty unsure of how helpful this would be but by the end, because of the prior part, his step-by-step made a LOT of sense and I think it will totally transform the way I approach shading and light in my art and I'm excited to try it out. Also for the sake of posterity, I consider myself a pretty advanced artist. Not a master, but I am a pro.

oh wow!!! I'll definitely try and put this into my artwork, and hopefully my shading will improve

This is the thing I've been looking for throughout the internet. This is like imo the most important fundamental to define form. With this law you can literally define any form imagineable.

Thanks Dorian that was beautifully presented. I’d love to see more!

A full shading course by Dorian would be awesome! This vid seriously changed my life, I was going about shading all wrong! Mind blown!!

I actually found my way into following that fall off naturally from doing studies, but even then this vid still blew my mind and made me realize why my shading was effective!

Yes I want Dorian to teach as much as he can about drawing.

I believe the easiest way to learn something is to write down what to do step by step, show how you do it and then have the student practice it. this is the first time I've seen someone teach correctly. every single art teacher i have ever had has never ever broken down their process into steps.

Knowing about the percentages instinctively is one thing but to have it explained so succinctly and clearly was revelatory. I know this will immediately improve my failure rate.

Wow I've been teaching a simplified version of this to beginners for years. Didn't know anyone else did something like this since I've never seen it in books (at least not close to how I do it). It a total game changer for beginners.

This was SO HELPFUL! I never thought a 12 min video could help so much someone who’s been drawing/painting for over 15 years!!! How dis nobody teach me this in art school?????

This is super helpful, thanks a lot Dorian for sharing these and Proko team for getting it out, you guys are the best!

Bring it on! Full course on shading by Dorian..!

This actually solve the question that keeps in my mind for years!!!

Yes... I would like to see this as a full on course. This is vital information broken down to elegant explanation. Top notch, sir... as always.

Ive been waiting for a eureka moment in my shading and ive finally found it!!! Just drew my egg and it was so much clearer in my mind as i drew it. thanks for the vid, really helped!

Absolutely! Bring him on the channel!

Great video, a real eye opener! I think you should add that Lambert's law holds for Lambertian surfaces only, where perceived value does not depend on the viewing angle...

This is by far the most instructive class of draw i had ever seen on my life. Thank you very much Dorian, and Proko of course, you are a wonderful teacher. I'll be lurking of your channel and instagram from now on ;). See ya

Mind blown! Fabulous lesson. Thank you Proko and Dorian.

a full-on shading course would be awesome. Love your material and yes my mind was completely and totally blown. This is my second time reviewing the material.

This was something I’ve noticed but never explained to me, not even in photography. Blown away!

This was aaaawsome, helped alot, and cannot wait for all that's to come on proko, you're a rock Stan! :)

Omg thank you so much! I never understood why I couldn't draw realistic shadows on simple spheres. This explains so much!

It is almost magic seeing the drawing evolve.

As with all "mind-blowing" videos, my mind remains fully un-blown.