"Optional" = Has to be disabled in multiple obscure places hidden throughout the OS. And it keeps getting turned on again every update.

@LaugeHeiberg

Ай бұрын

Just like the totally optional microsoft account...

@notplancha131

Ай бұрын

It shows when creating a user on those pcs with a toggle, plus you can disable it at any time in the task bar

@Kurandur

Ай бұрын

And it randomly starts indexing while playing games and your whole machine just dies.

@brunopanizzi

Ай бұрын

@@notplancha131 the button is there, it doesn't mean it works as expected

@hanswoast7

Ай бұрын

And will be silently switched from opt-in to opt-out at some time.

Backdoor? This is a front door.

@KCKingcollin

Ай бұрын

So fucking true

@ihateorangecat

Ай бұрын

No. It's a window! 😂

@jamesclark2663

Ай бұрын

We wont have to worry about what Backdoor Wang is doing on the database when Frontdoor Willie is crashing in to recall it all.

@friedpizza262

Ай бұрын

@@ihateorangecat front window

@pluto8404

Ай бұрын

a door implies you can close it. This is your moms...

Microsoft in a few months: "Hey guys, all these Recall captures are weighting a little on your PC, why don't you just put them on the cloud?"

@mcechss

Ай бұрын

"It's completely optional, though"

@Kane0123

Ай бұрын

Don’t you want to be able to do recall searches across devices bro? Just throw it in Onedrive and bam, maximum efficiency.

@normalmighty

Ай бұрын

@@mcechss "But we're doing it by default, so non-tech savvy people don't get confused"

@logicaestrex2278

Ай бұрын

​@@normalmighty "and we also hid the setting to disable it 17 menus deep in a crappy windows xp ui that requires you turn on permissions in a separate place 20 menus deep. Godspeed!"

@Papierkorb2292

Ай бұрын

"Hey, good news: Those recall captures that took up so much space? Yeah, we managed to compress that down a lot, so they're barely noticeable anymore. It's as if they aren't even on your device anymore! Isn't that great?"

"That's a slippery slope fallacy" My guy, that slope is a minimum of 60 degrees and absolutely covered in dish soap.

@complexity5545

Ай бұрын

Ha

@user-fc8xw4fi5v

Ай бұрын

It's just a straight up cliff

@NotAFanMan88

Ай бұрын

Everyone says slippery slope is a fallacy, in the past 10 years seems more like a reality.

@carsoncary105

Ай бұрын

And we were already pushed down the slope 10 years ago.

@sapphicgaze

Ай бұрын

yea it is actually not accurate to call it a slippery slope fallacy in this case, slippery slope is only a fallacy when one suggests a chain reaction based on the initial action based on little to no evidence, however microsoft’s actions in the past decade has been evident enough for this to not be a fallacy but a reality

Microsoft can’t figure out local search for decades, and now they are promising “recall” functionality.

@LaugeHeiberg

Ай бұрын

they did this out of spite purely just so they didn't have to fix search

@complexity5545

Ай бұрын

@@LaugeHeiberg Exactly. People don't know but M1cr050ft purposely cripples everything, so they can offer a higher tier service or expert consulting. I wonder how they're going to sabotage recording everything, and what higher tier service will they offer? This whole situation is like a "dream haven" for hackers: all that privacy information getting dumped on the black market is going to be wild!!!

@Toddy15

Ай бұрын

Just slap ai on anything and it suddenly is the best thing ever, I guess xD

@anon1963

Ай бұрын

search worked perfectly for me for the past 12 or so years

@Kane0123

Ай бұрын

Our search is so bad, use our new search.

2014 Microsoft: Fighting spyware with Microsoft Defender 2024 Microsoft: Installing spyware with Microsoft Recall

@RenanGreca

Ай бұрын

tbh who needs malware when MS defender casually uses 30% of your CPU.

@depafrom5277

Ай бұрын

I love Windows, there is no real alternative accept Mac OS.

@evangaming7447

Ай бұрын

@@depafrom5277 linux

@_superintendent

Ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@depafrom5277 remember to use protection when meatriding

@do0nv

Ай бұрын

​@@depafrom5277Linux isn't a real alternative?

I've never been more motivated to go full Linux

@haroldcruz8550

Ай бұрын

My main problem with it is with the corporate environment, it basically allows your company to spy on you with ease. Granted you shouldn't be using your company PC for personal things but most lay people do, like reading their personal emails. Or how about retail stores or service companies that takes info from you, most of these companies use Windows as their OS.

@PixelThorn

Ай бұрын

So? How is that stopping you to switch full Linux?

@starmechlx

Ай бұрын

Did a year ago and have been incredibly happy with the change. Seeing this now just lets me know I made the right decision. There are some compromises I had to make, but now that I am used to Linux and some of the things that it offers, making a move to Windows would also be full of compromises. I'm happy to be on Linux.

@oamost

Ай бұрын

@@haroldcruz8550 containerize your corporate stuff into a virtual machine, problem solved

@adam7802

Ай бұрын

@@PixelThorn It's a big change for alot of people to be fair, and if the software they need isn't available then yeah... it's great if it fits your needs.

Spying on Linux -> it's a bug. Spying on Windows -> it's a feature.

@MarquisDeSang

Ай бұрын

Spying on Linux -> it's Ubuntu

@ChrisWijtmans

Ай бұрын

kde plasma is full of telemetry.

@MarquisDeSang

Ай бұрын

@@ChrisWijtmans Most distro come with Firefox and Firefox is now the official most spying browswer with their new search telemetry collecting.

@ok-tr1nw

Ай бұрын

​@@ChrisWijtmans look up what it actually sends to kde's team, all the data is anonymous and contains only error logs

@ntwestbrook

Ай бұрын

You are the feature

Here's something to think about: Imagine you're using Linux to avoid this, and then you have a meeting with someone who uses this functionality. Even though you tried to prevent this with your OS of choice, everything you do or say during that meeting will still be recorded on the other person's PC.

@andrewyork3869

Ай бұрын

That's fucking terrifying....

@hanswoast7

Ай бұрын

Yep. Like trying to avoid giving your address book to WhatsApp. It's evil by design

@XDarkGreyX

Ай бұрын

Like never putting a pic of yourself online but by getting caught in photos of other people your face appears online more than enough...

@complexity5545

Ай бұрын

All types of laws are broken, and then its federal if it goes across state lines. Good point. Who do you sue?

@francescofinucci

Ай бұрын

and here's the interesting fact: you don't spy in people. You use people to spy on each other. From the panopticon to peer-to-peer surveillance?

Recall is a wet dream of a corpo micromanager. Poor users of company devices…

@OscarGonzalez-ld4np

Ай бұрын

That would turn corpo micromanagers into the dream of cybercriminals

@ciprianparaschiv7591

Ай бұрын

There already are pieces of software like that, though.

@OscarGonzalez-ld4np

Ай бұрын

@@ciprianparaschiv7591 But they aren't as widespread as this one will be. It'll just take some work to figure out how to exploit it and once that's done you effectively have half of your spyware already installed in every single Windows PC.

@hanswoast7

Ай бұрын

And all other forms of surveillance profiteers like spy agencies.

@taylrthegreat

Ай бұрын

Thankfully at my job they won't buy the hardware that will run it because they're cheap

“Hey copilot I forgot that username and password I use to login to this sensitive server can you recall my login info” - legitimate user probably

@complexity5545

Ай бұрын

That is what they want. So much precious (private) data. The number of black market dumps is about to be insane!

@ChrisWijtmans

Ай бұрын

windows 10 already came with a keylogger so they already have it. windows 11 will be able to contextualize it better.

@javierflores09

Ай бұрын

@@complexity5545 now that's just creating paranoia in people for no reason. We don't know if this thing is going to be capable of saving passwords inputs even if it can capture the state it was in, nor if the states themselves are going to be encrypted in some way to avoid malicious apps from abusing the data. There's plenty of things Microsoft can do in order to make this more secure and they will since they definitely do not want private data being collected by malicious actors

@carpybaraba

29 күн бұрын

@@ChrisWijtmans i did not know that

@CoolTebza-eh7ig

23 күн бұрын

Like for real anyone can get all your information your cheating you social media handles , 😅 you ponytail Lol 😂😆 haha did watch ⌚ anything boom search the date and time and content Lol 😂😆 it's going down 👇👎

It is like Microsoft wants to use OUR computer power to record OUR data to feed it into new version of ChatGPT

@pluto8404

Ай бұрын

you wouldnt have that problem with a -V8- arch linux install

@kehindeakiode2865

29 күн бұрын

😮

@FlamespeedyAMV

25 күн бұрын

its actually a bit more evil and creepy than just this

Windows: search doesnt work for years Also windows: look you guys, you can trust us to make everything searchable

@no_name4796

Ай бұрын

Microsoft can definitely search. It's just you are the subject, not the use of that search ;-) I use linux, btw

@user-tc2ky6fg2o

Ай бұрын

What about the Indexing service? Does it still eat CPU time?

@haroldcruz8550

Ай бұрын

When will the public ever realize that Windows users are not Microsoft's customers, you are the exploited resource and your data is their product, Microsoft's real customers are the companies and government agencies that will use your data.

@szabolcsmate5254

Ай бұрын

Their search works. For them, not for you. Like your PC running windows. It does what MS wants, not what you want.

@LiveType

Ай бұрын

​@@user-tc2ky6fg2oFrom my knowledge a lot of the low level windows tools are unchanged since the 1990s, early 2000s. Microsoft has an issue where they guarantee backwards compatibility when the overwhelming majority don't need it so they can't update/change a lot of things. So yes, indexing is still slow, very resource hungry, and breaks constantly. Look at windows 11 requiring tpm. That's a backwards compatibility break. Lots of unhappy people who can't run it just because their hardware is a touch too old. Now you can still disable that requirement but trust me pretty soon disabling it won't be an option. Classic Microsoft. Somehow my respect for Facebook increases as time goes on.

I love how the answer to making user experiences better is just storing more data and removing square borders, and whenever users say "hold up we don't want that" they just make it an option till you don't have a choice.

@Alfred-Neuman

Ай бұрын

It's basically like streaming your screen 24/7 directly to Microsoft... I don't understand why someone would enable this "option". I guess people are so used now about giving their data to everybody that they don't even care anymore about what is the data that is being shared.

@RealGrandFail

Ай бұрын

@@Alfred-Neuman Outside the west, most people don't care. You can ask and they will give you most data for free.

@rickymort135

Ай бұрын

​@@Alfred-Neuman enabling won't be required, because it'll be enabled by default. You'll have to navigate complicated ever changing menus to disable it. And even if you do it'll slip out through the back door

@Alfred-Neuman

Ай бұрын

@@rickymort135 I remember an old Linksys router I'm still having, the WAG200G. It had a backdoor on port 32764, basically in plain sight... Anybody could use a script to connect to this port and send any commands they want and hack these routers. Of course you could configure the router to block this port or update the firmware but 99.99% of owners probably never heard about this problem so they were very easy to hack... I don't know how these corporations are able to do this without being sued to oblivion.

@gezenews

Ай бұрын

This is what the world looks like when every woman and underprivileged undergrad instantly gets hired at FAANG without trying.

Don't worry guysssss, it's totally 100% local on your machine! They totally won't have access to that data!! /s

@unkown34x33

Ай бұрын

don't count on that

@carpybaraba

29 күн бұрын

@@unkown34x33 sarcasm

@FlamespeedyAMV

25 күн бұрын

in 10 years when they have a data breech (which will be an inside job) we will all find out how untrue this all is.

@ogx-rz4jr

24 күн бұрын

Every time I see some idiot crying about MS "spying" they're an iPhone or Android user who have no problems with Apple and Google recording every word they say, face scanning every photo they take, and scanning every document on their phone to upload to iCloud and GoogleDrive. Hypocritical idiots pretending to care about privacy, when in reality they're just manchildren fanboys hating on their chosen enemy corporation while taking it up the ass from their favored corporation. 1984 already happened 10 years ago on iOS and android, and these fanboys were completely silent for that entire time, but as soon as MS does it, they flip out. Clown world.

@ZphyZphyer

24 күн бұрын

​@@carpybarabapretty sure they were kidding too

Coming to a future near you: You: "Recall, give me that series I was watching on Netflix yesterday." Recall: "I can't do that, Dave. It's DRM."

A few takeaways. 1) There are plenty of companies that _say_ that everything is on-device, but actually send everything to the cloud. 2) Even if it is "on-device only" at release, they can easily push an update that changes it to 100% cloud based. 3) You can bet hackers will find a way to grab the snapshots and mine it for data to their heart's content. 4) What's the likelihood that the NSA or similar won't have a back door eventually. 5) You can bet that if they think they can get away with it then the tracking will be enabled by default and you will have to manually opt out of every app (which 90% of users won't bother with) 6) This remembers _everything_ so it conceivably "might just happen to" remember passwords. 7) The potential for industrial espionage is also lovely Honestly, these days every time Microsoft releases some new AI / data-harvesting / advertising feature for windows it makes me seriously consider moving to Linux. Most of what I do on the computer is in the browser anyway (or could be) so why the hell not?

@HiddenHeathen

Ай бұрын

All valid points. Now, switch to Linux. It's great.

@isodoubIet

Ай бұрын

@@HiddenHeathen Unfortunately linux isn't even where windows was 20 years ago as far as the desktop is concerned. If people want to make "the year of the linux desktop" happen, they seriously need to put the work into usability.

@anon1963

Ай бұрын

​@@HiddenHeathenyou're insane if you think that Linux desktop is ,"great". it's good for servers only

@FutanariNeko417

Ай бұрын

​​@@isodoubIetwhat exactly is it lacking in comparison to windows? Most problems I encountered was with software that only runs on windows/mac without a viable linux alternative which is imo the biggest reason not to switch. In my case I just use VMs but for the average user that's quite inconvenient and in most cases a dealbreaker. But apart from that I'm curious what reasons others have

@lboston4660

Ай бұрын

"why the hell not?" you tell me, blud, what's holding you back? I left for penguin land ages ago, long before this AI bullshit

The more Windows users that move the Linux the more developer support Linux will get and the better Linux will become...

@jernaugurgeh451

Ай бұрын

… and the more corporate and controlled Linux will become, and the more chance of kernel level backdoors having to be included by law 😉

@oserodal2702

Ай бұрын

Sadly, Linux Foundation doesn't care about Linux Desktop.

@brunopena3710

Ай бұрын

​@@jernaugurgeh451 open source makes any sort of kernel level backdoor ineffective. No one owns linux

@gdwe1831

Ай бұрын

Linux already had FAR better developer support, corporate just forces windows on us

@thewhitefalcon8539

Ай бұрын

Too many cooks spoil the broth. Look at Wayland.

"Fully local, local only" yeah just like your user account eh? Oh wait

@ogx-rz4jr

24 күн бұрын

Every time I see some idiot crying about MS "spying" they're an iPhone or Android user who have no problems with Apple and Google recording every word they say, face scanning every photo they take, and scanning every document on their phone to upload to iCloud and GoogleDrive. Hypocritical idiots pretending to care about privacy, when in reality they're just manchildren fanboys hating on their chosen enemy corporation while taking it up the ass from their favored corporation. 1984 already happened 10 years ago on iOS and android, and these fanboys were completely silent for that entire time, but as soon as MS does it, they flip out. Clown world.

Judge: Here's a warrant. Go seize X's PC and take the recording with everything they did in the last # months. Customs officer: Put your password in if you want to pass. Then I'm going to take this PC in the next room and image it, capturing everything you've done on your PC in the last # months. No warrant. No rights. You're at customs and you're not a US citizen (and even if you are, we can harass you to the same outcome). Brought to you by putrid Microsoft's idea of total surveillance. Windows is way overdue to be killed off and Microsoft is WAY overdue from being booted out of the OS business.

@leftjabrighthook

Ай бұрын

Never happen. Too many gates messiah worshippers.

@ficolas2

Ай бұрын

My wet dream, but it's not gonna happen.

@DxBlack

Ай бұрын

Send Apple along with them, and slap Linux bros into making top-notch software instead of usually outdated, feature-lacking, shoe-string budget glorified tools.

@z_0968

Ай бұрын

Unless Google starts investing the big bucks back into ChromeOS I don't see that happening anytime soon. And yes Google is equally bad, however ChromeOS is Linux based and that might give other companies some ideas. Say Steam commercialising their OS outside the Steam Deck.

@monad_tcp

Ай бұрын

What are you even doing if you bring any device that's not completely clean into customs ? are you insane.

That is just like that one Black Mirror episode where, at an interview, they ask the dude to show them what he has done in the past week.

Prime, this is not a drill: A modern and friendly "Linux Ubuntu for Windows Users Tutorial" video series is in need. We need you to save the Windows plebs from this abomination and make them understand Linux is not hard nowadays.

@haroldcruz8550

Ай бұрын

Ubuntu is just a few steps away from Windows, don't expect billion dollar corporations to act for your best interest.

@user-zj4tl

Ай бұрын

linux mint*

@jernaugurgeh451

Ай бұрын

@@user-zj4tl Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu… they offer a Debian-based version though, *just in case*, and many are hoping that will become the default.

@smoked-old-fashioned-hh7lo

Ай бұрын

pop os

@mangodude-nq6su

Ай бұрын

Yeah, Mint is probably better

Wait for the Recall dumps to be uploaded to the internet for all to see. What a train wreck!

@ianmiles2505

29 күн бұрын

G@D will use it on judgement day.

Sam: Can we record your voice to use it for the AI Scarlet: No that's creepy Sam: Thanks, you've said enough

@complexity5545

Ай бұрын

Please repeat, " Eh, Ee, I , oh, you, duh, dad, kite, zebra, don quixote marmalade yogi fruit fap party pink"....

@carpybaraba

29 күн бұрын

@@complexity5545 nuh uh

To the people who say that it's fine because it never leaves the device. 1. Are you sure the data never leaves the device? Have you looked at the code? 2. Are you sure it will stay like that forever? 3. In the past hackers, the NSA, etc, would have to make their own stuff to monitor you if they wanted. Now they can just grab the data that is already there. Now funny game's shared over Discord won't just grab your saved logins from your browser, it will also grab any password, key, etc, that was shown on screen.

@theParticleGod

19 күн бұрын

The data doesn't need to leave your device, they can simply ask the AI on your device questions about your data once it has been digested.

"optional" : lie. defined as all aspects run all data collected, but the benefit isn't given to you until you agree

@hanswoast7

Ай бұрын

Dont worry, later we will have a patch that switches it from opt-in to opt-out :)

@complexity5545

Ай бұрын

@@hanswoast7 And "opt-out" will cost $15.99 to scrub your information. But they really don't erase it.

Imagine someone carrying a camera following you around irl recording everything you do. And they promise the video never leaves the camera. This is pretty much that.

@DxBlack

Ай бұрын

Can't: you'd MOST CERTAINLY get shot doing that here.

In the Star Wars books (the good ones), Grand Admiral Thrawn always knew what the politicians were up to because the entire senate building was decorated with beautiful plants that displayed waves of colors like cuttlefish skin when people spoke. The plants were sensitive to sound, and so while everyone thought they were there to be pretty, they were in fact hooked up to transducers and the Emperor (before Darth Vader killed him) had an entire wing of his secret service monitoring all the conversations in the senate halls, at all times. This is high-level espionage, just for people who aren't nearly interesting enough to listen to.

An open source copy would be quite nice

@lefuturiste27

Ай бұрын

no

@content_ai_

Ай бұрын

Microsoft: We store screenshots of your screen, and you can search them with semantic search. Hackers: ❤ Microsoft

@complexity5545

Ай бұрын

@@content_ai_ There's going to be so many exploits and new CVEs coming up. That feature/process is going to get fuzzed like a sheep on hair cut day.

@mateowoetam

Ай бұрын

ReactOS but it's closer to windows xp

@Oler-yx7xj

Ай бұрын

Jia Tan and the Signal people would also like that

Its optional until it isn't

@delta3244

Ай бұрын

Or it's optional in the sense that you can opt-out of benifiting from the collected data

@hanswoast7

Ай бұрын

Optional-nt

@dvhh

Ай бұрын

Same with the data being local, then it will be mostly local and finally "what is local?"

@TheHighborn

Ай бұрын

It's optional as in you click no, but in reality it's yes, and you can't do anything about it.

This is why I started switching to Linux, using programs like Lutris I can get basically 100% of my game library running on it. Even Windows Only games like GTA V run great on Linux now. Community support is pretty good too. Currently using Linux Mint.

@hanswoast7

Ай бұрын

Steam with build-in Proton is a blessing.

@arcadeportal32

Ай бұрын

@hanswoast7 It really is, Proton and just Valve in general has made gaming on linux an even better gaming experience than you would even get on Mac. I would have never thought that just even 2 years ago.

@ChrisWijtmans

Ай бұрын

dont run games on your work machine. never know what spyware it contains.

@TheHighborn

Ай бұрын

​@@ChrisWijtmanswe have mandatory spyware on our work machines. I don't even log into my email. It's a work machine. I can use the phone if needed.

@revenevan11

Ай бұрын

Yep, the only things not working ime are games that require kernel level / ring-0 anticheat, which needs to die anyways. Off topic a bit, but these huge game studios need to find other ways to prevent/catch hackers, like smarter analysis of gameplay or a functional reporting/moderation system, instead of just backdooring all our machines, still missing cheaters somehow, and then using a shitty "AI" to ban people for typing a single curse word 🤦‍♂. I can't afford a 2nd PC just to play Apex or Valorant, so I just don't anymore. Edit: Oh, and Roblox. That doesn't work on Linux either. I play that with my nephews sometimes but at least it isn't ring-0 bullshit, so I can just dualboot or run a VM for it.

The problem with the claim "it stays local to your pc" is that it doesn't take into account OTHER programs that will mine this data and transmit it seperate to Recall.

@complexity5545

Ай бұрын

Its basically an operating system cookie. So many people are going to get screwed.

@javierflores09

Ай бұрын

I wonder if they're gonna encrypt it in some shape to avoid this kind of thing

@complexity5545

Ай бұрын

@@javierflores09 Knowing what I know about Microsoft and their 1st generation databases, is that encryption will only be applied to the socket connecting to Microsoft. The data will probably be some naked container file/directory XML thingy with embedded jpg pictures, so they can sell the data easier/quicker to businesses. The government will be able to scrape it easier that way.

Linux Mint is super easy to install and transition to. It also requires 1/4 amount of hardware resources compared to W11. M$ must die!

@usr01

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately Easy Anti Cheat and Battle Eye don’t work on Linux. Only thing holding me back.

@NotTheGaslighter

Ай бұрын

​@@usr01 Easy Anti-Cheat does work in Linux, I have Elden Ring and MCC installed rn!

@Jacob6853

Ай бұрын

@@NotTheGaslighter Some versions of easy-anti cheat don't run on Linux. Depends what the version devs use. For example a MMO called Black Desert online didn't run till they replaced easy anti-cheat with xigncode3 a few months back

@NotTheGaslighter

Ай бұрын

@@Jacob6853 and Fortnite doesn't run either. this is all the developer's fault, and most who do use EAC make sure to at least try enabling it for Steam Deck compatibillity. this is a solved issue, as far as i care

@TechnoMinded-qp5in

Ай бұрын

@@usr01 Fuck Anti Cheat grow a fucking spine.

holy fuck the entire rant about "slippery slope fallacy" was so on point I fucking hate people bringing up that shit

@delta3244

Ай бұрын

The slippery slope fallacy is a fallacy because the argument "X will happen" does not defeat the statement that "if X does not happen, Y is good." It has no relation to the statement. If on the other hand, someone argues - X will not happen - X will not happen → we should do Y ∴ we should do Y, then "X will happen" is a valid counterargument to doing Y because it attacks a premise which could prove we should do Y.

@delta3244

Ай бұрын

On further thought, my first reply may not have been entirely correct. The SSF might deacribe another kind of counterargument, which asserts "X will happen" without arguing why X will (where the person making the original argument got to "X won't happen" properly). If so, then a good way to rephrase the slippery slope fallacy might be to say "if you're arguing that there is a slippery slope, you must prove it exists. You cannot assume it."

@complexity5545

Ай бұрын

@@delta3244 You sir, just reeled me back in, and reminded me, that this is a nerd channel. LoL I actually read your comment twice, just to follow the logic.

@hebozhe

Ай бұрын

​@@delta3244Bertrand Russell enters the chat.

@numeritos1799

Ай бұрын

Idk, I get his point, but even then, it's a real thing. Sometimes people will argue too much about "what if X happens", when in reality the chances of X happening are close to 0. I do agree however this isn't a good example

I literally clapped when you responded to the person attempting to label your argument "a slipper slope fallacy". BEAUTIFUL.

There are going to be calls for it to "detect and report illegal content" within a year of release.

@MattThomson

Ай бұрын

It's nothing. It's just a cheeky minority report

@storage9578

29 күн бұрын

They already do that and its not limited to illegal. Included in their cloud storage ToS that they can go through your files with ai for things they dont like.

"Enhancing the user experience" (Apple when caught uploading user data) weird how those deleted photos reappeared after an update... Cloud is forever.

Can't wait for my computer to start insisting that I've always loved Vista.

This is genuinely hilarious. Well done. omg even your chat users are hilarious. I'm truly amazed. I usually hate setups like these with the face on screen and chatroll and commentary, but this is excellent work, sir.

They are totally going to use this to train LLMs and LAMs. Once models can do constant learning, I can picture the data being used to literally put your computer into autopilot to work for you.

@nuvotion-live

Ай бұрын

Think about it “all your personal data never leaves your device” but the model weights on the other hand… it will be the same way corporations got away with training on copyrighted internet data. This legal grey area

One would wonder why people mostly stick to Win 10 instead of Win 11... 69% vs 26.7% market share and dropping.

@gdwe1831

Ай бұрын

Corporate

What's awful is how AI is making so many people feel they don't need to try creating a good tool, and instead have AI fuzzy search everything for them. People don't want to use their brains.

@Zipperheaddttl

Ай бұрын

Buddy you are thinking about this all wrong. Your skills are gonna become valuable again. You know like a bunch of gen A doesn't know how to use computers because all they have used is phones and tablets.

AI Explorer is not named after IE. It's named after the OG Explorer, File Explorer. Even so, this absolutely WILL be used for employee monitoring. Microsoft Office already is.

I do like anime catgirls. Unfortunately, Microsoft is already aware because of my chatGPT history

@XDarkGreyX

Ай бұрын

Uhm.... what business does your interest have in the cgpt input box...?

@leshommesdupilly

Ай бұрын

@@XDarkGreyX I want you to act as an Uwuntu Linux terminal as if the entire os was written by a cute furry anime catgirl.I will type commands and you will reply, in a unique code block, with what the linux terminal should show. But there is a twist: you will translate each linux output into uwu, in a cute catgirl UwU voice. You should replace the letter "r" and "l" with "w" (Example: "pwd" -> "Nyaaa~ Cuwwent diwectowy :3: /home/uwu") My first command is pwd

@cozzy124

28 күн бұрын

what the hell

I remember when Windows introduced a feature to open again tasks that you were working on before. I never opted out from a feature so fast.

@ivanjermakov

Ай бұрын

You can only hope that opt out means not recording data, not just hiding the button to use it :^)

13:04 It's not a fallacy if the slope really is slippery

@tablettablete186

Ай бұрын

There is article from MS saying the same as you 😂😂😂 You can't make this up 😂 October 13, 2023 - Understanding (and avoiding) slippery slope fallacies

@TheDjarto

Ай бұрын

@@tablettablete186wtf lmao, I found the article and have no words

@tablettablete186

Ай бұрын

@@TheDjarto Crazy right? From MS itself 😆🤣🤣🤣

bro i just came across your channel and your vibe is funny asf , subbed fr reminds me of like dr disrespect ahha goated

Time to start racking up my social credits.

Worst part is, Windows users are still gullible to defend their beloved OS.

@cozzy124

28 күн бұрын

ill admit i like windows cuz its alot more convenient compared to something like linux but at the same time im kinda considering switching cuz of all the privacy stuff going on i have w10 right now and im never installing w11 but i mean its still spyware soo-

@AgrimarYT

18 күн бұрын

@@cozzy124 I just have what I don't want/need turned off and/or removed on W11, with like, three OS mods installed; have it the way I want it and it looks and functions nicely. People tend to say every version of Windows ever is spyware (which as a developer, telemetry is not automatically bad), so if somebody can actually provide to me in depth researched data of such, I'd like to see which components and where could possibly be streaming data out.

@cozzy124

18 күн бұрын

@@AgrimarYT i have most of my privacy settings set to pretty strict on windows, but what bothers me really is just the fact theres so much garage i cant uninstall. i dont have an ssd so, even uninstalling everything that i dont need that i actually *can* uninstall, you can imagine how much it weighs down my drive :c

@AgrimarYT

18 күн бұрын

@@cozzy124 There's some third-party utilities and even a couple of custom ISOs that strip down Windows, though when I reinstalled to resolve some issues, I decided with uninstalling over installing a custom cleaned out ISO; I went with "AtlasOS" via the AME Wizard for my current install, which I had also modified for my own needs as I do actually use things like Microsoft accounts and the Microsoft Store, the scripts are open source.

Version 2 is cloud-based and it's called Total Recall ™

Microsoft ushering in the age of the linux desktop. I already switched my work laptop but I’ll switch my pc too when this rolls out.

@Arch-Propagandist-Sage

Ай бұрын

Microsoft loves Linux 💕

It takes a screenshot every 2 minutes, so all you need is a script which flashes up a picture of a cat girl on the same schedule, and the fbi will never know you've been researching novel uses for fertilizer.

Fancy naming it Recall! They do know what happened at Recall in "Totall Recall" don't they? Do you want your PC sleazy or demure?

@theParticleGod

19 күн бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/nnp10pNsksW1drQ.htmlsi=bacE4Gut2TuMN27D&t=41

They want them crypto keys boys

I am reminded of Person of Interest TV show. Where the AI would go back in time to look at events that took place as a flashback mechanism, and it had a visual timeline with grids of vids all over the place in chronological order.

Win10 end of life is October 2025. Win11 is atrocious. 2026 is finally the year of the linux desktop computer :)

the statement that "you cant see 100 ms latency" is crazier than microsofts announcement what in the absolute fuck are you saying?

@delta3244

Ай бұрын

This sort of thing makes me think seconds are slightly too large a unit for measuring ordinary time. Seconds last a while, and tenths are _absolutely_ easy to notice.

@andrewyork3869

Ай бұрын

​@delta3244 Also the actual bulk of data, I don't see editing video on the cloud as a timely experience.

@delta3244

Ай бұрын

@@someguy9175 I can feel the difference between zero and one frame of lag (60fps) from pressing jump to jumping in a platformer. 1 frame isn't consistently "noticable" per se despite that it can be felt, but 6 frames certainly is (2 probably is, 3 definitely). I speak as someone who has tested this to see if having a frame or two of startup on a jump animation is viable at all, which it isn't (in the context I was testing for). Speaking as someone who plays piano, 1 second is an incredibly long time. 60BPM is slow enough that it is slightly difficult to count without mechanical aid because the distance between beats is so long. Playing 10 notes per second roughly equates to sixteenth notes at a quarter note = 152BPM, which is somewhat fast, but far from extreme.¹ It's slow enough that one can easily verify that one is keeping a consistent tempo while playing by checking how far apart each individual pair of notes is as one reacts to hearing them. It's slow enough that unevenly spaced notes are quite noticible. A tenth of a second is short, but it's nowhere near as short as it sounds. ¹For context, the RC 2015 level 7 book (out of 10 levels) has a section which is 32ⁿᵈ notes at a quarter note = 100-108 BPM. _That_ is extreme. I'd set the lowest edge of extreme at L'oscurita dell'Ignoto's intro's speed, sixteenths at ¼ = 172, where it only qualifies as extreme because that intro is reasonably long and intricate, and _even then_ I'd accept as reasonable someone who rejects calling it extreme.

@delta3244

Ай бұрын

@@someguy9175 I won't reiterate my reply from the other thread, but for the sake of this one, I'll say that some of us _know_ we can from direct experience. By "some," I'm pretty sure I mean "any of us who has ever internalized how long a second is."

@sneed1208

Ай бұрын

@@someguy9175 gamers would disagree

i never thought id quit gaming and using windows in the same year lol

In b4 big brother is for real watching you now, out in the open. You'll use it and you'll love it!

Dude, you already described my Chromebook ... I do development online, office work online, everything in the browser ... Linux and Windows are only needed to get to the browser.

this is an actual nightmare

i was on the fence, not doing linux cos of the time sink. well i gess now is the time

They say the images won't go off your device, but they don't appear to mention information extracted from those images, which is just as important (whether used for training or not).

Microsoft: Recall on your computer User: I Recall Linux as an option.

i do wanna say, the snapdragon chips are pretty cool and hopefully there are some distros able to support it out of box or one made for it already. just a competition to apple silicon is something to be excited for.

I think the question of "should we keep making things endlessly backwards compatible" is quite an interesting philosophical problem. Because it goes into that idea that we need to basically keep a digital copy of everything which big tech LOVES and HATES. They love data because they can sell it, but they hate data that keep track of THEM. Because if they do something shady, it's documented. If they did something sketchy with Windows 12, someone snooping the discontinued digital copy will find something that incriminates them for billions.

Me: "what did I watch yesterday?" Recall: "a video about how excited Prime is for Recall"

Imagine your company enabling this HRecall feature in your work computer for your only safety.

bro if windows 12 has a subscription im fully switching to linux. I'm already thinking about it now. just gotta figure out the best flavor

19:20 "It's only going to get better". I hope we break the limit on the speed of light as well.

What phone do you use? Interested on the device you had on your hand

I've been putting off going back to Linux for years due to gaming but this is definitely pushing me over the edge

@revenevan11

Ай бұрын

Gaming is really quite doable on Linux these days! Proton is built into steam, so most things "just work"™and for popular games that don't officially support running through Steam's tooling, there're fairly easy setups to get them running even when they're officially "Windows Only" (GTA, for example). Only stuff that doesn't work and can't just be run in a VM (afaik) is ring-0 kernel level anticheat bullshit like Apex and Valorant. So I just don't play those anymore even though I've got windows 10 installed rn, because that anticheat needs to die lol. Not backdooring my PC for that shit and can't afford to buy a 2nd one just for it cuz I'm not an Esports pro 😅. Still plenty of cheaters in those games too, so wtf is the point? I guess it's cheaper than actual moderation.

@NateTheNarrator

Ай бұрын

Over the Microsoft Edge.

just use Linux

Its true sometimes I struggle in browser history, to recall some older videos I liked a lot ... not really sure if its worth xD

The last minute of this video is golden

My main takeaway is that NPUs are going to be a thing now. Not sure what they're going to do about the ram situation loading models tho. Like are these things going to have like 90gb of ram?

Windows is a malware confirmed (???)

Thank you regarding the slippery slope fallacy bit, I've been saying that for years! Lmao

In the "The Expanse" Books series, the device they use like a phone/tablet sort of device combo is like you described, they don't have nothing to do if the whole network is down, since they are only a video device connected to all the services available in the network they are connected to.

The slippery slope is not a fallacy: its a prediction.

Imagine how useful this is for social engineering. A bunch of data on everything you do on your PC. Your voice, your speech patterns, a lot of private info, etc. If it's fully local it means that once your PC is compromised, you're essentially fucked. And until now disk encryption wasn't enabled by default (will be soon) meaning you might be able to fuck with people just because a drive wasn't properly wiped.

actually this idea has been implemented but more basic form. In windows 10 it is called windows activity history. microsoft have been testing and improving this feature.

The way I like to think about the slippery slope logical fallacy, is that it is a logical fallacy but not a practical fallacy. Yes it’s true that, logically, because someone does one thing doesn’t mean they will 100% do another thing, but that’s in the land of pure logic. practically one can infer things, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to prepare for anything. Someone obsessed with the slippery slope fallacy might argue against building buildings with earthquake protection. They could argue “just because there’s a fault line and there has been an earthquake before doesn’t mean that there for sure will be un earthquake in the future therefore, we shouldn’t prepare our buildings expecting one.” Well technically true that we can’t 100% be certain that there will be an earthquake in the future, we can still, using statistics, infer that there is a high chance of one happening. I think the slippery slope logical fallacy prevents people from assuming things in proofs, but not in predictions, which are just as useful as proofs, if not more, in modern life.

@delta3244

Ай бұрын

In the case of the person who argues against earthquake prevention on that basis, they are sort of correct. Ironically, they fall into the fallacy fallacy when they say "therefore...," but before that point, they are correct. It is invalid to say "we should install earthquake prevention because if we don't and there's an earthquake, it will be bad." It is valid, however, to say "There will be an earthquake. We should install earthquake prevention, because if we don't and there is an earthquake, it will be bad." Perhaps a good way to phrase the SSF is this? "If your argument requires a slippery slope exists, you must prove it. Assuming it is invalid." In conversations like the one in this video or the one about earthquake prevention, that the slippery slope exists is so well-known, we can assume it, and our statements become "fallacious" in light of the ommision. We can do that because the problem is trivial to fix.

I work in infosec. I know several colleagues have that Mac one installed on their machines. 🙃

@delta3244

Ай бұрын

_why?_

@littlered6340

Ай бұрын

@@delta3244 I cannot comprehend it either. They say it's easier than taking notes but??? I have adhd and I've never been that desperate for notes.

I agree with the devices being thin clients. I've been trying that, and it hasn't been half-bad. I had for a week a remote dev environment in GCP, and it did work. There are several constraints that we have to fix first, especially when you're in spotty connections and are moving a lot. But I can see a future in which we're heading there.

I've often been told to stay away from Windows, especially during thunderstorms. Fortunately, I mostly use Linux.

People hate people.

@_Safety_Third_

Ай бұрын

Fax.

@cozzy124

28 күн бұрын

humanity lore basically

I think this is a case of Prime going off on one of his bad takes for too long in an otherwise good video. We can certainly notice 100ms differences, it isn’t even up for debate. We do all the time. Can you tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps? Congrats, you can tell the difference between 33ms and 16ms. Sure you might not be able to notice if it happens once or twice. But the same can be applied to latency. It needs to be consistent and I don’t have faith in it staying consistent enough that we can have sharp, clear and no latency devices rendering video so well for all of us. It’s just a cloud nightmare.

Latency isn't something that can be solved any time soon, it will get better, but it still is a huge problem and will continue to be for some time. It's not only a problem of reaction times, but also of _consistent_ reaction times. Latency varying between 30-100ms absolutely kills gaming. Your favourite game has a 250ms i-frames window during dodge rolling? Well suck it, you only get between 150-220ms now.

“The cloud is somebody’s else computer” SPOT ON!

wintoddlers are still going to continue using windows

So they named their AI spyware after their terrible product. The funny thing is Windows XP had alexa spyware and amazon called their spyware device alexa. Coincidence? They really seem adament to keep their spyware naming conventions.

I can't even imagine how badly it's probably getting implemented on their OS

I turned my old Surface Pro 4 into a "thin" device, had a VM with a GPU for more oomph and just streamed it to the Surface to work away from home. It worked quite nicely when I had a connection, but it was my _own_ server behind Wireguard. I'm actually surprised that this hasn't hit shelves yet, it's so obviously the (dystopian) future and the tech for it has existed for at least a decade at this point. I expected them to show up on shelves _before_ Nvidia streaming/GamePass/Stadia were a thing.

Why are the bot comments in italian

@Ian_Carolan

Ай бұрын

To avoid KZread filtering. I've seen the bots using German too. Best to report them.

"Heheeeey we know most laptops can't handle windows 11 just like that. Let's just dedicate a portion of the hardware to literally screen record everything and kinda, make your computer lag. I mean look, it's for your best 😊"

Explorer is literally the name of the binary that displays the desktop and start menu bro. It was before Internet Explorer.

This level of corporate intrusion should be ILLEGAL,

I have everything I have ever done recallable, it's called "memory"

@hanswoast7

Ай бұрын

Sir, have you heard about forgetting and misremembering, yet? Our memory system has built-in privacy features :D

@Scott_Stone

Ай бұрын

I don't. Still fuck this shit, I'd rather be forgetful as I am now.

The slippery slope fallacy gets thrown around so much. There is a line between thinking of possibilities and the actual fallacy, but the line isn't always clear. Arguments against Same Sex Marriage where "if we legalize this, people will be marrying toasters" is a classic example of the fallacy. Saying "I'm worried a tech company is gonna tech company" isn't a slippery slope.

@ShootingUtah

Ай бұрын

We're literally one step away from people marrying toasters!

@riftey3044

Ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure 'slippery slope' arguments in and of themselves aren't fallacies. Just like an 'appeal to authority' isn't always a fallacy if the called upon authority is an actual expert, and the experts claims themselves aren't being disputed. You have to demonstrate how the slippery slope argument is unreasonable, otherwise you are just making a fallacious appeal to a fallacy.

@Leonhart_93

Ай бұрын

The ironic part about your statement is that people DO take everything too far, like the whole "identifying as" thing 😂 Society always has some rules, otherwise it's just anarchy. And we don't even need to invent new ones. Was the world of 20-30y ago so bad? It was probably the golden age, and we just keep ruining it.

@watchdoge6464

Ай бұрын

people may not be marrying literal toasters, but they're marrying devices with Hatsune Miku in it lmao

@perfectloser

Ай бұрын

The difference is people were already doing that with devices and objects, but when talking about legal laws and things like that, it's not part of the discussion