The fact that an 18 year old S2000 continues to be reviewed against new products really says something about how special the S2000 is. It might not win every time, but it is a benchmark vehicle…and a damn good sports car!

@19hundoc47

8 күн бұрын

No, it’s becuase there’s no other similar low cost sports cars to compare these to

@dannyphamous

8 күн бұрын

Agreed, took 18+ years for the miata to try to catch up to it. Honda went full passion and engineering with every aspect of the S2000, no limit, high budget. Definitely a great vehicle if you find a good and cared for example. 2007 S2000 MRSP $34,250 ($51,728.37 in today's money) 2007 Miata MRSP $20,585 ($31,098.88 in today's money)

@fahmidnd2

8 күн бұрын

@@dannyphamous The miata was never trying to catch up to it. Thats was Mazdas best formula, not to look at others. The Miata will always be in its own, they still sell it! that being said id rather have a s2000 over my miata, because im a honda fan boy at heart. The miata just had the upgrades it neeeded to stick with modern times.

@fahmidnd2

8 күн бұрын

The s2000 was a Porsche boxter competitor, the miata and 86 has always been for the masses. Honda did a similar thing with the NSX.

@jrod1577

7 күн бұрын

The s2000 didnt hold up very well though. Its a fun car to drive still and i still love them but the miata was a budget sports car and the s2000 was a porsche boxter competitor in the 90s. The boxter eventually outpaced the s2000 before the s2000 even stopped production. The fact that a budget miata and BRZ/GR86 now outpaces it shows that the s2000 isnt worth its price anymore now that even cheap cars can keep up/outpace it now. Keep in mind that an S2000 sold today would be closer to the price of a porsche boxter(but likely less than one to be competetive) at around 60k-70k for it. Impressive for the Miata and BRZ to perform at a 60k car level, not really impressive for an S2000 to perform at a 25-32k car level.

S2000 is king.

S2000 25 year old technology. Came out in 1999. Still being used as benchmark and compared to cars today.

@MrNorotic

2 күн бұрын

When calculated in 2024 money, a new s2000 would be around 60k. Supra money.

@30hours51

Күн бұрын

It compared with Porsches and costed twice of a miata back then 😂😂😂😂

Love that tS! Disconnected the engine module, Borla S catback and short shifter and I’m in heaven on a back road

Great review and welcome to the club!

Bro I am 42 and daily an AP2. Its totally doable if you keep it (relatively) stock

@sdlausen1

8 күн бұрын

I daily drove my AP1 for 4 years. No issues!

@wrxtim09

6 күн бұрын

I'm 49 and daily drive my bone stock s2000 , every single day.

@z32luvr

21 сағат бұрын

He’s going to regret buying the ND3 instead of S2K.

@agr_

11 сағат бұрын

27 here, I daily my 08 to work

After owning many different cars from many different manufacturers, with many different engines, I've learned that the most enjoyment for me comes from the engine personality. I can't handle the soulless engine of the MX5, and would never choose one over an S2000.

@jubbalandcars

Күн бұрын

Completely fair and I know many who feel the same way

@z32luvr

21 сағат бұрын

Yeah it’s not even close. Plus the S2K looks 10x better 20 years later.

@WhiteEagle74

7 сағат бұрын

The miata isn't on the level of an S2K but to call it soulless is a bit harsh given that it revs a lot higher than most cars and can do a 0-60 in 5.8s. It's an extremely fun to drive roadster.

My dad has an S2K & its always a treat to drive when I get the chance.

@jubbalandcars

3 күн бұрын

special car for sure

Oh hell yes, watching this on my coffee break time. Excellent comparison 🎉

Good move.! The Honda S2000 was a truly great car in its day.! Reliable etc and the drive experience was par none. but it's 20 years old. And maintenance of age and wear and tear let alone any abuse from previous owners is going to come due. You are paying close to a new car price for the Subaru or Toyota or the Mazda your pick, I lean ND3 Break any of them in properly and you got something on the toy or Sube I would pull the pan and make sure the rtv wasn't overdone. Little labor to ease anxiety for engine on track days.. From a mechanic of 45 years

I think the S2000 is the best looking car plus it has that legendary status.

@z32luvr

21 сағат бұрын

I agree. These cars aren’t even in the same league.

If I were buying today it would be the base 86 with the performance package. You get the brakes and dampers for $32k msrp.

@LoveLikeaHurricane

8 күн бұрын

absolutely. It is the closest thing to a 90's/2000 car you can get this day and age. ND3 as well.

Great You're a video and mx5 how do you gas ???? Regular OR premium????

Congrats on the new ND3 Kevin!💪🏻 I did the same GR86 to this, and I'm more happy and still powerslides with aggressive turns trust me😂👌🏻

@jn4988

8 күн бұрын

Not even funny, I want a ND3 so, so, bad. I test drove one like foolish fool and now I want one. Dealership threw me the keys and gave me a 30 min limit. Went and drove it to is limits. Very surprised with how capable nd3 is from factory. Feels like a nb Miata cup car from 2001, not quite though. Maybe bad comparison.. How about it gives me AP2-cr vibes. (Drove a 170,000 mile 2008 black cr at a auto cross event, apparently the suspension was stock) Nd3 suspension Feels very good. That being said I’ve never driver in a ND1, ND2.

Something I noticed with the ND on stock suspension is that if you’re slightly more aggressive with your steering inputs than other sports cars it tends to set quite quickly in a satisfying way

Since the Toyota and Subaru twins come with Eyesight for model year 2024, try disabling pre-collision braking (PCB). If pre-collision braking is on, then my 2024 GR86 Trueno Edition dispays a bar graph for oil temperature. When PCB is turned off, I instead am presented with a numerical temperature display. Perhaps this works as well on the 2024+ BRZ.

15:00 spotted the Focus RS in the back. Cant wait for a review on that car.

@carphreak

6 күн бұрын

Good to hear, Nico Bremeau! Funny seeing you here, old chap!

I recognise that road. 😉 You might see me up there in the evenings in a silver modified NB2.

Fellow Club, BBR, ST, Soul Crystal Red Metallic owner here, but a 2023 model. What mods do you have planned? I have been very happy with the comfort level of my Xida coilovers with 12k / 6k springs and Karcepts bars. Once lowered, you can achieve strong negative camber w/o offset bushings or other mods. I'm at - 3.3° front, -2.5° rear, maxing the stock adjustment in the front.

Sounds like the S2000 is the one to buy

@z32luvr

21 сағат бұрын

He will realize that sooner or later.

Haha, I have an order for the exact same package as you. Mine is coming in a few weeks. I'm going to throw on coilovers (NOT Ohlins which will make it even less edgy and more cushioned) and a race exhaust

@edwinot

6 күн бұрын

Me too.... And they just announced that the 35th anniversary edition will be coming soon.

The miata is a decent bit of kit, it’s certainly up there now. Becoming quite a pest in the sprints and hill climb vs me in my old S2000.😂😠 Great honest review - I normally can’t stand this kind of video!

I’m torn between a gr86 and an nd2 rf. I’m getting one to learn track driving and have full intentions to modify the car heavily but slowly as I learn it. Ive owned a 2016 BRZ and loved the steering feel and gearshift but the reviews all suggest the new version is lacking in both these departments. Would love feedback from those who own these cars. Cheers!

So weird how the temps don’t show numerical level like the 86

Did you ever consider a Boxster or Cayman 987 or 981? They’re kind of in the same price range.

@Bodangers

2 күн бұрын

Cayman is a refined luxury version of the brz/gr86. The brz/gr86 feels more raw and you can have fun pushing it. With the cayman, you have to hold back. Cayman gets more attention even if you don't mod it. People would gravitate towards a stock Cayman over a modded brz/gr96 at meets. Source: I've driven both for a while. Modded and stock

The fact that 18 years later we have two cars that are competitive with the S2000 with modern safety and regulations, modern tech for half the inflation adjusted price (new to new, not new to used) is nuts. The MX5 is even much lighter!!! These two cars are the exception, not the rule. The trend has been heavier and less driver focused.

@dannyphamous

8 күн бұрын

Something that still blows my mind is they went from 4 lug wheels to 5 lugs with the NC then back to 4 lugs with the ND which probably helped their goal of replicating the 1989 2200-2300lb lightness.

@jrod1577

7 күн бұрын

The s2000 didnt hold up. The miata was a budget sports car and the s2000 was a porsche boxter competitor in the 90s. Later versions of the boxter outpaced the s2000 before the s2000 even stopped production. The fact that a budget miata and BRZ/GR86 now outpaces it shows that the s2000 has fallen so far back that even cheap cars can keep up/outpace it now.

@Democratsknowbidensucks

6 күн бұрын

s2000 is much more limited... the motors also dont rebuild well so a swap is almost needed after it goes boom.

@Democratsknowbidensucks

6 күн бұрын

@@jrod1577 Bro the s2000 was meant to compete against them both. Porsche people are delusional

@z32luvr

21 сағат бұрын

@@jrod1577you have no clue what you’re talking about. They still sell for way more than a Porsche boxster and hold their value better as well.

Unless you're not going to modify it, the Sport is the way to go for the Miata IMHO. Most of the things that need changing to make it a real canyon shredder are what you're paying extra for in the club and GT models, and are still not quite up to the task. A Sport, with a set of sway bars, an Ohlins or Koni set of shocks, a good set of springs, and an OS Giken diff really transform the car into a rocket, and you save yourself near 3000 bucks doing it all. Which you can spend on a cool set of light wheels and a Roadster Sport exhaust.

Oil temp is nice but oil pressure would be best.

Yet another GT for the MX-5. Loved this comparison, but damn. Can we get a Club SOMEWHERE on KZread? (There are some out there, I got it, but dealerships seem to only want these GTs circulated).

@jubbalandcars

Күн бұрын

I got one on order but agreed hard to find a club. Only able to custom order them. Dealers don’t stock them

I heard bbr 😮 220kit content in the future?

The S2000 would be a no brainer, even though they are pricey now, IF it had a hydraulic or unassisted steering. That EPS, at that time of EPS tech, is definitely at the lower end of the totem pole according to modern standards. And I really feel that the liveliness of that car has a lot to do with the sound of the car. That car is freaking loud, especially for an inline-4.

Forgot to ask in previous comment, what makes BRZ better to learn on than Miata? I own a 2023 BRZ and plan to get Miata in future, so far 6 track days on BRZ and I am slow learner.

@Bodangers

2 күн бұрын

The space! You can take out the backseats to remove 25lbs

@ruturaj47

2 күн бұрын

@@Bodangers and it's still 400lb heavier. The space doesn't make it better to learn my guess is less snappiness due to longer wheelbae.

Hey! Slow the hell down! Kidding, of course. Enjoy the ND. It’s my daily and it works. Those who don’t make it work aren’t versatile people.

@jubbalandcars

5 күн бұрын

I was going 12mph the whole time. It’s just AI and CGI

I’m getting Deja vu. Feel like I saw this video already. 🤔

@jubbalandcars

7 күн бұрын

😂

Wonderful car vs great car vs bucket of dogshit that you only buy if you need something more usable and can't have a separate usable car.

@epicurusgod

7 күн бұрын

boxer 🤢🤮🤮🤮

@z32luvr

21 сағат бұрын

I’m assuming the S2K is the wonderful car?

I would LOVE to own a Miata, but it’s completely impractical. I often have more than one passenger in my car, and I don’t want to own two cars at once, so the Miata (and the s2000) are off limits for me right now.

@jubbalandcars

6 күн бұрын

i have no friends so i never have more than 1 person with me

AP1>AP2>MX5>Toyota/Subaru twins.

@z32luvr

21 сағат бұрын

AP2>AP1

Why are all S2000 seat side bolster *completely* flat and destroyed? When people get into the car like this dude just did.

@z32luvr

21 сағат бұрын

A lot of them are unfortunately. Mine is perfect.

@sdlausen1

14 сағат бұрын

@@z32luvr my bolsters are perfect too! 193k miles and seats look like new! You're supposed to lift yourself in and out of the seat using the door sill and center console when getting in and out. The guy in the video is straight up just sitting on the side bolster. You should never do this to a sport seat.

One’s a new roadster with real analog gauges, fuel, hand brake, and real roadster platform. One’s not, and the other is old. Good but old. Mx5 34 years and still constant.

While BRZ is my 2nd car, I want to fit car seat just in case regular car breaks down as emergency back up. Currently inam deciding between having 2 and 3 cars in total, GLS 450 + BRZ vs prev gen Sequoia + Miata + (ioniq 5N /stinger).

will you be reviewing that focus rs?

@jubbalandcars

8 күн бұрын

Yes we filmed that too! Probably another month

Didn't show the review going the other way uphill, as it took twice as long with the combined tq of my Milwaukee impact wrench 🤣

@jubbalandcars

Сағат бұрын

😂

BRZ ts.

who will lose, not win?? is this some young people thing?

@jubbalandcars

2 күн бұрын

For the young whipper snappers

S2000/MX5 don't have solid rigidity. ND is 30% stiffer than an S2K. 86 is 3x stiffer than an ND. Body flex sucks. S2000 steering feel is simply poor. With a lot of body flex. The 86 chassis kills the other two compromised vanity drop tops. 86/K24 is the answer. Or even better? An MX5 ND coupe. A real one. How we never got one is beyond me....

Simping... 😵

In the BRZ, you're hearing a speaker, not the actual engine noise. Some claim the car is too quiet if you disconect this system, others can't stand that it even exists. 230 hp, not 184, which is the torque number.

@jubbalandcars

6 күн бұрын

It’s a combination of speaker and engine. When you unplug the sound module you appreciate the difference