Josh, you have no idea how much of a blessing you are. Thanks for your videos.

@ReadyToHarvest

Ай бұрын

I appreciate that! Thanks for taking the time to watch.

@FishermensCorner

Ай бұрын

​@@ReadyToHarvest couldn't agree more.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. (2Ti 4:3 NIV)

@garyhiggs9764

Ай бұрын

Amen. UMC is forgetting what the Bible teaches against accommodate people. That's dangerous.

@garythorington1600

Ай бұрын

@@garyhiggs9764 Amen as well. Forsake sin and follow Jesus

@protorhinocerator142

Ай бұрын

And we are in that time. We are experiencing the great Falling Away. When Jesus returns (Luke 18:8), will He find faith in the earth? That means we are in the Beginning of Sorrows phase (Matthew 24:7-8) that must take place before the Rapture. As the world descends into greater and greater sin, lift up your head because your redemption draws high (Luke 21:28). Jesus is coming back and soon. And His reward is with Him (Revelation 22:12-13).

@garyhiggs9764

Ай бұрын

@@protorhinocerator142 Paul said I the last days many will depart from the faith

@protorhinocerator142

Ай бұрын

@@garyhiggs9764 The key is to not be one of them. Hold on a little longer to your faith. Jesus is returning soon.

Dude, this is the kind and quality of journalism I wish I could see in all other domains of life in other channels and media networks. You are doing excellent reporting, sir! Keep up the good work!

@nunagoras

Ай бұрын

Yeah!... :)

@lindaodom1322

Ай бұрын

Indeed

Always love how calm and objective these videos are, especially on topics that are typically filled with people arguing from places of pure emotion and/or prejudice

@nunagoras

Ай бұрын

Sure! This video author is an absolute delight on the way he performs it and the other videos in his channel! And on the way he describes a so complex subject in a so small time framed video, coupled with a so visually appealing style! Congrats, because it is so rare to find someone who rightly does so! That said; I believe he is surely an Academic on this field and he knows very well what he's talking about!...

@ronniebattle1310

Ай бұрын

Jesus Encounter Ministries KZread channel

@orbitalair2103

5 күн бұрын

I argued from the Bible, and was told by a District Superintendent to only consider the words of Jesus. Sorry no, what a idiot. This was about money, the gays want the money and the land. They backed off and paused once they found out that most churches were deep in debt.

Methodists: Even though we are so inclusive and liberal we're still shrinking and aging! Episcopalians: First time?

@garythorington1600

Ай бұрын

They try to accept sin instead of sinners. Love the people but hate the sin. They have nothing to offer but hell

@mosessupposes2571

Ай бұрын

@@garythorington1600Exactly the same as the sins you commit each day. Or have you stopped sinning?

@jarlskuld7973

Ай бұрын

@@mosessupposes2571 no.

@jamestrotter3162

Ай бұрын

@@mosessupposes2571 Christ asks you the same thing.

@kriegjaeger

Ай бұрын

​@mosessupposes2571 If your sin doesn't greive you, are you sure you have the spirit?

My uncle was a great pastor in a UMC here in Brooke's Point, Palawan, Philippines. He left the church a few years ago because of this issue.

@parrotconservative

Ай бұрын

Did their church leave for a more conservative methodist church or convert?

@vynscenth8114

Ай бұрын

@@parrotconservative some of the members and my uncle now has a new church which he himself started right after he left UMC.

@20quid

Ай бұрын

That's a shame. Hopefully he chills out and stops hating on people for doing nothing except loving the people that they love.

@debbiemills4547

6 күн бұрын

What a blessing....he chose God and righteousness over political correctness ❤

@Lup3r

5 күн бұрын

@@20quid God was very clear. Anything else is the work of the devil. I hope you enjoy it bud!

A very very sad day.. I grew up in the UMChurch, married, children baptized and married there. This is the end of the United Methodist Church and the beginning of the end.

As a former UMC member I urge Methodists to join a Bible study group that is biblically sound. My former UMC church quit doing Bible studies many, many years ago and only did topical studies. My eyes were opened by the word of God. Thank you for this update, I am praying for the church to repent and return to God’s truth.

@ronniebattle1310

Ай бұрын

Jesus Encounter Ministries KZread channel

@MW-ty6zk

Ай бұрын

If the church goes against God's Word like this, they will usher His judgment on themselves! Look what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah!

@ChristianCatboy

Ай бұрын

Galatians 3:28 "There is no male or female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

@MW-ty6zk

Ай бұрын

@ChristianCatboy You are excluding part of the verse and taking its meaning out of context. The full verse is this: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus, Verse 29 continues, "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise." This statement is merely a statement about our equal value in the eyes of God. All followers of Christ, whether they are Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female, have equal value in God's eyes.

@ChristianCatboy

Ай бұрын

@@MW-ty6zk Convenient of you to interpret it that way. Is slavery an appropriate social division to maintain between believers? The gender binary is the same kind of division.

Wow, Josh, your research is astounding. I'm a United Methodist and have been following this issue for some time and have been trying to keep up with the GC. Still, Iearned from your video.

@ReadyToHarvest

Ай бұрын

Thank you Franklin!

@imalt8271

Ай бұрын

Get out while you can!

@spooderdoggy

Ай бұрын

Friend, I think it’s time to be a Methodist and not United Methodist. That “United” part has given up the ghost a long time ago. ✝️🙏🏻

@JohnPaul-ol5zl

14 сағат бұрын

If everything is seen as right, then nothing is wrong. Give it time and the the Specific portion/rebels of the United Methodist that have accepted/condoned the Act of homosexuality, will be condoning anything that enters their doors. Accepting of a repenting sinner is Love, condoning and promoting of the cardnal sin they carry on their shoulders is throwing a drowning man a chain tied to an anchor. You are not helping them a bit, but instead hurting them on another level. Oh, and the anchor has a 2nd chain attack with the other end attack to the bishop that threw the anchor to the drowning man.

@spooderdoggy

13 сағат бұрын

@@JohnPaul-ol5zl Your smearing and broad brushing a whole group of particular Christian, Methodists, based on the sins of some of them. How are your tactics any different as the those who cancel anyone who thinks different from them?

over the split i noticed every UM church in my town is no longer UM. proud of em

Those who claim to know Christ but deny the Spirit. Take heed. We will all be held accountable for our choices and most importantly those choices that impacted others causing them to stray further from the truth.

It’s a sad day when people blatantly throw out God’s word. I can’t imagine how strong the mental gymnastics must be to justify affirming what God is explicitly against.

@AdmiralBison

12 күн бұрын

"can't imagine how strong the mental gymnastics.." Sorry but this is Religion projecting It's Christians that do the mental gymnastics when confronted with reality, and though many here don't realize it, they are doing it so when more and more people are no longer buying the fantasy sold by Religions. As a former Catholic/Christian long time Athiest, many here simply haven't started their journey out of their Religion and removed the shackles of indoctrination put on them since childhood.... But it will be worthwhile to begin that journey now.

@terrymeadows1827

4 күн бұрын

It’s self-delusion from human pride. Can’t get past themselves. God is God and we are not.

@brandon9715

4 күн бұрын

@@AdmiralBisonI couldn’t disagree with you more. I am certain that God is real, that He came to Earth as Jesus, died as the punishment for my sin, and has reconciled me to Himself. I am not in any bondage whatsoever. I’ve never been more free. Jesus set me free from the bondage of sin.

@JohnPaul-ol5zl

14 сағат бұрын

​@@AdmiralBison removal of one shackle to put on another. Progress.

@JohnPaul-ol5zl

14 сағат бұрын

If everything is seen as right, then nothing is wrong. Give it time and the Methodist will be condoning anything that enters their doors. Accepting of a repenting sinner is Love, condoning and promoting of the cardnal sin they carry on their shoulders is throwing a drowning man a chain tied to an anchor. You are not helping them a bit, but instead hurting them on another level. Oh, and the anchor has a 2nd chain attack with the other end attack to the bishop that threw the anchor to the drowning man.

I went to a UMC college in the 1980s. I took religion classes taught by ordained UMC ministers. All those classes were just assembly lines to make atheists. Those men did everything they could to get people NOT to believe in God. They were successful in most instances. If I had not been a Christian for about 10 years and grounded in my faith, they might have been able to do me some harm. Instead, we had some heavy arguments. I was the only one in the class to disagree with them. I was not their favorite student.

@run4cmt

Ай бұрын

Bless you for standing up for your faith.

@GilmerJohn

Ай бұрын

Oh, if they couldn't convince the kids to become atheists, the fall back often was for them to formally become Muslims. Check out American University.

@CandiceGoddard

Ай бұрын

But your heavenly father was very proud of you.

@JasonTaylor-po5xc

Ай бұрын

Sounds like the old joke - "Seminaries are where the good men go to lose their faith"

@fhengal

Ай бұрын

@@JasonTaylor-po5xc I heard it phrased as "Seminary = Cemetery."

Keep on pleasing people Methodists, and you'll find out that Jesus will say to you: I don't know you. They have made a fool of themselves, denying the truth of the Bible to pursue confirmation of people.

@BlutoSan

6 күн бұрын

Yes, because Jesus constantly talked about hating gay people, no wait .....

@terrymeadows1827

6 күн бұрын

@@BlutoSan Shouldn't you be doing your pre-algebra homework?

@BlutoSan

6 күн бұрын

@@terrymeadows1827 I am 66, took pre-algebra in High School. Are you resorting to ad hominem because I am right and you have no argument?

@terrymeadows1827

6 күн бұрын

@@BlutoSan I just found your response to be juvenile.

@BlutoSan

5 күн бұрын

@@terrymeadows1827 How so? Aren't christians supposed to follow Jesus's words and actions. Instead they delve in to Leviticus to judge their neighbors, something their god told them explicitly not to do.

by the grace of God I left the UMC when the split first began and joined the Holy Catholic Church. pray for me as i will enter the dominican order soon

@maxellton

Ай бұрын

Welcome home. You are at the Church that Jesus established himself 2000 years ago.

@rubiks6

Ай бұрын

You've gone from bad to the worst.

@rubiks6

Ай бұрын

@@maxellton - You mean the church that Constantine established. Why do you think it's called "Roman"?

@maxellton

Ай бұрын

@@rubiks6 Read Church history, please. Did you know that there were 30 popes before Constantine was born? And when was your church established? 1960s? 1700?

@protorhinocerator142

Ай бұрын

Join a church where they preach the Bible. I have yet to meet a Catholic priest who understands the Bible.

Catholicism and orthodoxy is looking pretty good right now. I’m not a fan of a lot of divisions. In fact I wish there was one church.

@sueseelie

Ай бұрын

Thirty year Catholic convert here. We have our issues but the Church is still standing after 2000 years

@karengilmore3812

Ай бұрын

Good news! There is only one church. The bride of Christ. Made up of those who believe in the shed blood of our Savior, Jesus Christ. Our names are recorded in the Book of Life in Heaven. No denominations there!

@LuzianJ

19 күн бұрын

God also is not a fan of divisions. He intended us to be one in body and spirit. One faith, one baptism, one Church!

@debbiemills4547

6 күн бұрын

There IS only one remnant true church....this is just away for satan to get rid of churches...true Christians have God in their hearts.....they believe the eord.😢

When you abandon Christ, don’t expect to flourish.

@protorhinocerator142

Ай бұрын

Jesus is the Head of the Church. If Jesus isn't the head anymore, your "church" is not part of His Church.

@rainbowkrampus

Ай бұрын

So... every church in the US has abandoned Jesus? Cause they're all in a nosedive. Remember all the disaffiliated churches that were mentioned that have also closed?

@craftsmanctfl3493

Ай бұрын

Mainline Protestant churches (including the UMC) aren’t losing members because they are abandoning Christ. They’re losing members because they’re no longer relevant to most people in the generations under age 60. How many people want to get involved in an organization that’s constantly arguing over one issue after another? The less organized a religion is, the better.

@jameshill8498

Ай бұрын

​@@rainbowkrampus The Eastern Orthodox Church is growing in the US.

@seanautilis15

Ай бұрын

@@rainbowkrampus read your Bible. it will help you understand what is going on. you obviously don't

As an African American Episcopal Methodist (AMEC) and I’m saddened by this…But for those who are traditionalists, GOD BLESS YOU! God is the same Yesterday, today and forever…..stand on the Word of God.

@Christine-hl4rl

Ай бұрын

Aren’t the traditionalists your referring to now globalists? It’s so confusing.

@awildtannerwasfound5045

Ай бұрын

@@Christine-hl4rl There are still some of us left in the UMC.

@awildtannerwasfound5045

Ай бұрын

@@Christine-hl4rl Just now it’s in the name of Reconquista we go on.

@Christine-hl4rl

Ай бұрын

@@awildtannerwasfound5045 😊

@babybison2881

Ай бұрын

Why did you feel the need to state your race?

I was sitting in a Methodist Church back in 2018, and was stunned when the Pastor was defending gay marriage. It amazes me how some churches just blow off God's word.

@JMcKey21

Ай бұрын

It's a business and their traditionalist brand isn't selling well any longer.

@linjp2773

Ай бұрын

@@JMcKey21 Or maybe the church had been attempting to carry off a 'mix' which at best is spiritual schizophrenia. It doesn't work because God doesn't change.

@timotundy

Ай бұрын

@@JMcKey21a business? What money are they generating?

@JMcKey21

Ай бұрын

@@timotundyRoughly 134 million dollars pre-pandemic. Dropped quite a bit during the pandemic.

@youtubezcy

Ай бұрын

Yea are you shaving your face and getting tattoos? What is the difference??

my church disaffiliated last year, we created a new church and joined the GMC. our new church is absolutely thriving, while those who stayed are withering on the vine. obedience brings blessings

@20quid

Ай бұрын

Why would you side with the hateful churches instead of the loving churches?

@KnoxEmDown

Ай бұрын

@@20quid Hating sin is no vice, and loving it is no virtue. (Note that I said sin, not sinner; For if I hated sinners I would first and foremost be required to hate myself, which I do not, nor should I)

@geepayne2286

Ай бұрын

Good luck. We'll be watching.

@carlsny1023

Ай бұрын

@20quid it isnt loving to lie to people to protect their feelings. I would argue that the more loving thing to do would be to speak the truth and help steer them back to Christ. also.. the things we warned about happening if we gave a green light to changing the book of discipline are happening. theyve opened pandoras box, allowing all kinds of sacrilegious things now. the people who stayed who were only worried about hurting the feelings of that one gay relative are having to reap what they sowed and I expect a lot of them to leave now. I told them that what they were doing is church suicide and what do ya know.. its a sad thing to watch

@dpcrn

Ай бұрын

@@20quid I’m curious if you are referring to those who left as being hateful primarily on their stance on sexual issues or something that they did? I have multiple friends who are Methodist and have watched this with interest. I saw so many struggling with what they knew to be the Biblical stance versus what our overall society has convinced so many is correct. It was not an emotional decision because their emotions were torn. It was the exact opposite of heat. So I’m curious how you saw that so differently?

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” - 2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV The Christian church as a whole continues to rapidly deteriorate. We’re in the end days. Read your Bible. Pray. Ye must be born again. God bless.

@run4cmt

Ай бұрын

We have been in the end days since Jesus left this earth.

@onedaya_martian1238

Ай бұрын

Ahh, another crackpot beLIEving "the book" is to be worshipped ... and not the teaching of the person whose name is used to define the type of religion discussed here (ignoring the various sects' names being reproached). There are the same types of people holding up progress in society in Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc who think "If we all follow THIS BOOK OF OURS, the world would be a better place". That idea doesn't work there, any more than it does here. Please don't vote.

@josephcernansky1794

Ай бұрын

Do you think it is "deteriorating" or as I KNEW what had to happen since I was a young boy...."destroyed"..."crushed'..."persecuted"...."REFINED in The FIRE"

@garythorington1600

Ай бұрын

@@run4cmt Then we should act like it and if you love Jesus obey him. Act like he can come today

@MB-nx9tq

Ай бұрын

2nd Timothy is a forgery.

The UMC is no longer using the scriptures; rejecting God's Word will be their downfall.

@67L48

Ай бұрын

Correct. It's no longer a church. It's just a social club. Might as well be the local Elks club.

@craigbenz4835

Ай бұрын

@@67L48 Does anyone even remember when lodge membership was divisive?

@MrGus.1

Ай бұрын

Scripture came out of the Church. Once Luther separated scripture from the Church which gave it to us, it became lifeless and uninspired.

@slickbill9488

Ай бұрын

@@MrGus.1 uh no Scripture came to the Church not out of the Church.

@MrGus.1

Ай бұрын

@@slickbill9488 The Church, founded by Christ, existed more than 300 years before the Church gave us the Bible. The Church existed before the Bible and the Church decided what would be included/excluded from the Bible. Luther discarded the Church and encouraged the mindless, rudderless worship of scripture. Without the Church...the foundation of truth, to interpret it, scripture is without authority. Scripture becomes just words interpreted without authority to mean anything men want it to mean. Christ's body is one. Christ's Church is one. There are over 35,000 Protestant denominations which accept virtually any creed. The ONLY thing which unifies Prorestants is their rejection of the Church Christ founded. Protestants have replaced Christ with adulterated, truncated scripture and find themselves buiding the tower of bable. There is no salvation outside of Christ. He is THE way.

Thanks for the information. As a Free Methodist pastor, it deeply grieves me to hear about everything that has happened in the UMC.

@hometowngirl8062

Ай бұрын

I grew up in a small Free Methodist in PA. It closed years ago. I’m an Adult Sunday School teacher in the UMC. I use Wesley Pub House material. I’m sure it won’t be allowed now. Not sure what to do. Not many choices in my area. I’m heart sick.

@RR64434

Ай бұрын

Why? Because they are doing what Jesus asked of his followers. To love your neighbor as yourself? As a Christian you are to love the least of us; not condemn them.

@TheGatrGamr

Ай бұрын

@@RR64434 Just because you're called to love your neighbor doesn't mean you should allow them to live in their sin. As with any other sin they should repent and turn to Christ for forgiveness and not live in sin chasing after the idolatry of their hearts.

@RR64434

Ай бұрын

@@TheGatrGamr What sin did “Jesus” say about gay people? He spoke more about greed, lies and the powers that be mistreating the poor and the meek. Are you going arpund telling rich people about the sin they live in?

@TheGatrGamr

Ай бұрын

@@RR64434 there is a number of verses in the Bible saying homosexuality is a sin. Since the whole Bible is the Word of God these means that Jesus teaches it. My guess is you would respond to that saying it means pedophilic relationships in terms of Paul’s letters. This is in fact false and unless you’re about to learn Greek we’d be at an impasse. So I hope you have a blessed day and that the Lord would open your eyes to this grave sin.

I’m a descendant of a Methodist circuit rider. My dad loved his church so much and fought very hard for her up until his death in 1987. He would be horrified to see what has happened this past week. 😞

@chuckmoseley3771

Ай бұрын

My family also we're circuit riders going back to the days of Francis Asbury

@JasonTaylor-po5xc

Ай бұрын

The modern UMC is not the church of your father.

@garythorington1600

Ай бұрын

@@JasonTaylor-po5xc amen to that!!

@Malisti04

Ай бұрын

All churches have a LGBTQ problem these days.

@vitormenezesdemattos967

Ай бұрын

John Wesley himself would be rolling in his grave

Great video. Though I am not a Methodist, I grew up attending a Methodist church and have always been interested in what has been going on in the denomination. Thanks for catching us up on this!

I totally understand why conservative churches left. The liberal bishops and clergy would ignore the Book of Discipline, therefore conservative victories with keeping the rules unchanged and in sync with traditional Christianity was meaningless!

@Toetalwar

Ай бұрын

Conservatives know the theological liberals will not cease until they aren't bent over. All over the mainline the conservatives seem to have grown tired of the fight and would rather just start off shoots. Even tho the titles to those churches are rightfully theirs. The greatest shame is the usurper wins and gets to keep the name and history. While masquerading as the real faithful

@trilight3597

Ай бұрын

But they shouldn't separate. That only makes the liberals empowered. It's why society has soured. Christians keeps retreating and giving up territory.

@MarcillaSmith

Ай бұрын

Yeah, from a procedural standpoint, there's plenty of "do as I say... " for both sides, sorry to have to say it.

@garythorington1600

Ай бұрын

@@MarcillaSmith Apparently they need to preach on Romans 1 and sin in general!!

@kriegjaeger

Ай бұрын

Right I see some people complaining they left when they should have stayed on if they "won" in earlier votes, but were called to have nothing with those who claim to be in Christ while living in sin. If they are lawless, what are you to do but divorce and pray for them?

"A Man shall not sleep with a man as with a woman" What is so difficult to understand about that?

@jarrettesselman8144

Ай бұрын

Karl Marx

@turkeypedal

Ай бұрын

Because that Scripture is nowhere near that clear in the original Hebrew. It is something like "And with a male you shall lie down the lyings of a woman." And the term "lyings" is debated on exactly what it means. Also "shall lie down" is most often used in a non-sexual context. The whole thing is people reading a euphemism and assuming it means the same thing as in English. It doesn't use the word "know" like Hebrew usually does for sex. And similar things apply to other such Scriptures. Paul uses a completely new word that people assume means "homosexuality"--one that he seems to have made up, and not the usual word for the term. Bibles as early as the 1800s translated it as "pedophilia", well before the LGBT movement. I'm not saying the traditional interpretation is wrong. But it's not nearly as clear as people like to make it out to be today. Don't get me wrong: there are other scriptures that are hard to translate, but it's interesting how strong the beliefs are based on these scriptures.

@jarrettesselman8144

Ай бұрын

@@turkeypedal you live in the reality that is, exactly, created by the God of the Bible. There is no context within the Bible, which makes homosexuality ambiguous.

@jarrettesselman8144

Ай бұрын

The world is entrenched in a low IQ, antichrist representation of a Bolshevik revolution.

@RighteousCenturion

Ай бұрын

@@turkeypedalpeople seem to forget the simplicity that in the beginning God created a woman for and to complete a man. They were man and wife, and creation was perfected and considered good. Things are so simple. Homosexuality didn’t exist until after evil entered into the earth and men started to die 😂

My heart absolutely breaks for the legacy of John Wesley, George Whitefield, Francis Asbury, and more. For the generations of Circuit Riders who risked life and limb to proselytize our nation. For the move of God in the 18th century that is responsible for my faith even today. The United Methodist Church has officially decided to leave orthodoxy and has found fellowship among associate heretical traditions such as the Episcopal Church and the PCUSA. They've rejected God's plan for ministry, but even more appalling, for the sacrament of marriage. The Methodist's arose from the Church of England in the mid 1700's and found communion in a shared love for holiness and spiritual disciplines. This love for God spurred some of the greatest modern evangelistic work and is responsible for much of the Christian faith we see in our nation. May this be a chilling reminder that we're never too far from leaving the fold of the Good Shepherd. We must fix our attention on the face of God and become familiar with His Holy Spirit, so that we don't lose His heart or miss His movements.

@stnilus3294

Ай бұрын

The irony of the heterodox using terms like orthodox and heresy will never ceases to amuse me. I feel bad for y'all, though. The progressives will continue their long march through the institutions until only One, True. Holy and Apostolic faith remains, it seems.

@Aio-Project

Ай бұрын

Friendly reminder that those are your siblings in Christ in the Episcopal, PCUSA, and other liberal churches. It is your opinion that they are heretical but y'all are still Christian

@sandrahumes-benton3087

Ай бұрын

Amen 🙏🏽

The 3% in Alaska was only one church.

@ericwolford5685

Ай бұрын

There's a UMC congregation here in Dutch Harbor - although I know very few people who attend.

@michaelearlgrey

Ай бұрын

That's funny. I love all of Alaska's ubsurd "per capita" statistics.

I left a Methodist church 6 yrs ago when I saw this coming. But it is so much more than this. The denomination does not believe the Bible is infallible. The denomination doesn't see abortion as wrong. The final straw for me was when my Pastor told me the book of Ester in the Bible was made up. I grew up Baptist moved far away from my church and attended a Methodist church for 10 years. I now in an Evangelical free church. Thank Jesus

@onedaya_martian1238

Ай бұрын

A comment proving evangelical worship is of a *book* and its interpretations by men. Of what consequence ? The beautify philosophy of Yeshua ben Yousef is ignored !! Global sectarian strife over "beLIEving". It is almost guarantied religious people will have their own "special" place, outside and far away from Heaven.

@KingoftheJuice18

Ай бұрын

I'm a religious Jew and just want to weigh in for a minute on the Esther question, since you described it as the final straw. First, a piece of writing or speaking can be true without being literally true or historical. Do you believe that Jesus' parables literally happened? And yet I assume you think they express deep truths. The book of Esther speaks the truth about antisemitism and the condition of the Jewish people in exile. By the way, you know there are some radically different versions of the book, right? The Hebrew version and the Greek Septuagint version differ dramatically. Which one is true and "factual"? Assuming you're talking about the Hebrew version, it is a very strange biblical book in at least one major respect: God is not mentioned once. The book doesn't even claim to be related to God or to be inspired. Who wrote it? We have no idea. It is also difficult to align the specific events of the story with things known about Persian history. It sounds more like a kind of novel where we hear many juicy details about life in the Persian court (the Greek version has much more of this). Now, if your pastor simply said, "It's all made up," without giving any deeper explanation or interpretation of why it would be in the Bible, that is unfortunate. But I encourage you not to make truth or holiness or divine inspiration dependent on historical facts alone. I personally don't believe there was a literal Tower of Babel which explains-historically-the origins of all human languages on earth. But I consider the story to be an inspired teaching from God about many important religious ideas.

@KillerofGods

Ай бұрын

​@@KingoftheJuice18How does the Greek and Hebrew versions differ radically? The Greek just has extra passages iirc.

@KillerofGods

Ай бұрын

​@@KingoftheJuice18But yeah I pretty much agree with everything you said.

@KingoftheJuice18

Ай бұрын

@@KillerofGods The Greek version brings the text much more in alignment with other biblical texts. For example, Mordechai has a prophetic dream right at the start foreshadowing the events to come. Esther offers long, detailed, pious prayers to God before she goes in to see the king. On the other hand, the Greek also has a more Hellenistic tone with highly emotional, even romanticized descriptions of the people and their feelings. Looking at the Greek highlights just how unusual the Hebrew version is theologically as a piece of Scripture, but also how the Hebrew feels more biblical in style.

The IRD has done a number of articles on the UMC's bureaucracy openly rigging the voting process to get this outcome. They denied assistance to overseas conferences to get visas, resulting in the lowest percentage of foreign delegates ever. They screened lay delegates on a congregation by congregation basis to ensure that non-affirming lay delegates would not be sent. They declared this an extension of the 2020 conference instead of a new conference because US membership had shrunk by ~15% in that time period and would result in a lower percentage of delegates allotted to the US. And much, much, much more.

@joemerino3243

Ай бұрын

And they won, and now they get to take the Church property. If people had put a stop to their shenanigans it might have been different, but here we are. The people who focus on fighting to win beat the people who focus on losing nobly.

@marshsundeen

Ай бұрын

The IRD bought votes before. They speak about what reflects their own actions. They sow dissent and propagated the splits in all Mainline churches.

@frpgplayer

Ай бұрын

Curious how that works. I moved and started attending for years, and probably leaving,but the church was built many decades ago and was paid off long ago. The church was self owned. It joined the conference. I guess it's like marriage. It becomes jointly owned. Problem is, unlike divorce, one gets it all it seems.

@ericlefevre7741

Ай бұрын

@@frpgplayer There is a clause in the UMC's constitution that declares that all church and agency property is held in trust by the UMC. This clause has existed in every constitution of the UMC going back to 1784 and every church that is formed or joins the UMC must vote to adhere to the UMC constitution and Book of Discipline. Unlike the situation in the PCUSA and the Episcopal Church, where the trust clauses were added in the 1970s and 80s and without any affirmative vote by the congregations. The national bodies of those churches pretty much said, "We own your property now." This is why there has been so much litigation over churches leaving the PCUSA and TEC but any litigation over leaving the UMC is a lost cause.

@eveningprimrose3088

Ай бұрын

Playing fair would have been "extremely dangerous for their democracy."

I moved here 13 years ago. When I came, the local UMC church's parking lot was typically full on Sunday morning. Now it's half-full.

Good coverage sir! Thanks as always for giving unbiased, factual coverage of the religious organizations here in our country.

Praise God that the United Methodist Church has made it clear that they are not Christian. Clarity is many times more useful because you know exactly who you are fighting against.

@Griffologee

Ай бұрын

The catholics said the same thing about Protestants.

@Daedal71

Ай бұрын

@@Griffologee The Catholics have the same problem as the Methodists. Good point.

@davidjackson2690

Ай бұрын

​@@Griffologeeprotestants never celebrated perversion.

@reallysomebody

25 күн бұрын

LOL

@davidjackson2690

25 күн бұрын

@@reallysomebody nothing funny about any of this.

So very, very sad.... Separating the sheep from the goats, the Saints from the ain'ts, the wise virgins from the foolish....

Romans 1:24-25 Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor their bodies among themselves. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

@protorhinocerator142

Ай бұрын

Romans 1 shows the descent into evil. They start out knowing God but then decided not to glorify Him (Romans 1:21). Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. They continue down their dark path. Instead of following light to find more light, they follow darkness to find more darkness. By verse 28 God gives them over to a reprobate mind. That's where God washes His hands of you and stops trying to reach you. He stops sending the Holy Spirit to get you to believe in Jesus and be saved. You're pretty much doomed at that point. Every now and then one of these people finds Jesus but you have to wonder how many believers were praying for them? How many people loved them enough, even in the depth of their miserable sin, to witness the Gospel to them repeatedly? No matter how bad someone is, even the worst of the worst, we should be praying for them. After all, someone prayed for you when you were in the depths of your depravity.

@ronniebattle1310

Ай бұрын

Jesus Encounter Ministries KZread channel

@ChristianCatboy

Ай бұрын

Read Romans 2, though. "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. ..."

@protorhinocerator142

Ай бұрын

@@ChristianCatboy So you're saying Paul was wrong to "judge" all these people in Romans 1?

@tylermattingly1284

Ай бұрын

@@ChristianCatboyGod does not require Christians to condone immoral behavior

Thanks for this clear and sad report. I knew many people in the 1980s who left the UMC as individuals because of issues like this where the local church has to accept doctrines of the national church which move away from long-held Biblical values. It is a slippery slope which will continue.

Meanwhile Eastern orthodoxy and arch traditional catholic sects are seeing record growth in the US. 🤔🤔🤔

@HeatherFonseca

Ай бұрын

What’s an “arch traditional catholic sect”?

@AnAlbanyExpression

Ай бұрын

@@HeatherFonseca SSPX specifically.

@dubois2.024

Ай бұрын

That'd be like Latin Mass Catholics, among others. They stick closer to their roots basically.@@HeatherFonseca

@Himmiefan

Ай бұрын

Are they really because they seem to have no impact in society.

@italiansoldierfromww2460

Ай бұрын

Can't imagine they'll ever be all that prominent though

Had a progressive UMC church down the street two years ago. That congregation slowly died out as they tried to embrace every inclusive initiative they could. Building was bought by a traditional Global Methodist Church. Building is bursting at the seams on Sunday mornings with young families.

@20quid

Ай бұрын

That's totally something that actually happened.

@thestrongseminarian

Ай бұрын

@@20quid New Life Community Church in Summerside, Ohio, smarta$$

What I find immoral is preventing churches leaving, taking property, and then talking Jesus love. A car thief has more honor in admiting they stole it.

@mattperotti6433

16 күн бұрын

And it says a lot about the people who have taken over that they ignored the rules and bylaws of the denomination for years in support of the LGBTQ agenda, but, now, all those same leaders are sticklers for the rules when it comes to congregations leaving the denomination.

@JohnPaul-ol5zl

14 сағат бұрын

It's one of the major issues with organized religion. I'm religious but have a big issues with Conferences. Taking everything from a church that wants to split off is soo Immortal. Ok, the group that splits off can't use the denomination's name, that is ok. And maybe the Conference keeps the property/church/land. But any money the local group has collected is the group's. They worked for it, so they keep it. There are other major issues I have with Conferences, but this one is near the top.

@terrymeadows1827

13 сағат бұрын

I left the UMC in 1981, knowing back then where it was headed. Liberal Democrats playing church.

The changes took decades. So glad I am no longer associated with the UMC and their dirty tricks.

@jamestrotter3162

Ай бұрын

Jesus Christ isn't associated with it either.

@protorhinocerator142

Ай бұрын

@@jamestrotter3162 Matthew 7:21-23 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

@jaycordray3642

Ай бұрын

We call it the United Methodist Mafia after the way they treated our church during this controversy.

@Athair48

Ай бұрын

It would have been better to not be a yellowbelly. Why turn tail and run when the fighting gets tough? Scared of losing? We have Christ on our side! We will prevail! Win the fight from within. Its so typical to just run away, imagine if the diciples did this when they were persecuted or when they were shamed by the Pharasee. They could have just fled to somewhere else but no some of them still preached in Judea. The diciples were not cowards like those leaving the methodist church.

@protorhinocerator142

Ай бұрын

@@Athair48 But they did split up under persecution. The Church was mainly in Jerusalem. After being persecuted, the Church spread to Asia Minor and Greece. This was God's plan. It wasn't an accident.

Josh- Your reporting on church matters is a gift to us all. I'm amazed at how you take complex topics and give such detailed analysis that is easily understood in a semi-short video. Thx brother! Keep it up!

Thank you for this video Josh and all of your research! I grew up in the United Methodist Church, and my mom is still a UMC pastor. As someone who's no longer a Methodist (I joined a different denomination), but still connected to the church, it's been tough to see the division I saw as a kid continue to fester into what it how now. At the same time, being on the outside looking in, it's been hard to grasp the full picture. As always, you wonderfully summed up everything without lacking any necessary substance!

@majorlaff8682

Ай бұрын

Your mom is a UMC non-Biblical pastor.

God will not be mocked. His Word is crystal clear.

@kenim

Ай бұрын

Gen 15:16b “for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.” The falling away will be complete, then Judgement will come.

@JS-L90

Ай бұрын

And just so happens to support everything you say 100%. Smh. Says a bunch of different people about any given topic

@scottjames1401

Ай бұрын

​@JS-L90 Τί ἐστιν ἀλήθεια /Pontius Pilate has entered the chat/ To a follower of Y'shua, He is Truth. What we know of him is recorded in the 4 Gospels and the NT Canon. Homosexuality, adultery, fornication, polygamy- He warned against these things. Those who dispute His words, saying "did God really say" are disciples of the serpent. Your moral relativity's end is nihilism.

@ronniebattle1310

Ай бұрын

Jesus Encounter Ministries KZread channel

@stellingbanjodude

Ай бұрын

This is what happens when sin enters the camp.

Heretics are gonna heretic

@rubiks6

Ай бұрын

Sad but true.

@j.knight9335

Ай бұрын

That's the nature of Protestantism.

@fernandotemiquel4677

Ай бұрын

Im gonna say this respectfully. Protestants gonna Protest.

@robertbach9376

Ай бұрын

​@@fernandotemiquel4677classic Protestant heresy

@geordiewishart1683

Ай бұрын

I would still rather have a heretical church than mystery Babylon papacy

Needless to say all foretold in the scriptures about the end days. I for one see our lord returning sooner than later! Happy Days!

Watching this I'm reminded of how many Christian denominations split over slavery in the 1800s, very curious to see how history remembers this one.

@MrWill9894

Ай бұрын

I have a feeling that, as always happens, history will look favorably on the group trying to uphold the rights of a historically-oppressed minority group

@azaleagirl6275

Ай бұрын

@@MrWill9894I don’t think this is about rights. I think this is about following God’s Word and abstaining from sexual immorality.

@MrWill9894

Ай бұрын

It becomes about rights when religious folk use their beliefs to write bigoted laws that prevent, say, gay people getting married. If you want to keep your bigotry in the church- go for it, but understand that these kinds of beliefs push people away from religion. I live in a heavily catholic state and do you know what church is the most popular? The LGBT-accepting Methodist church

Good research Joshua!

Kinda easy when so many churches left before the conference and what, the entire continent of Africa couldn't vote?

@joer5627

Ай бұрын

UMC delayed sending Africans invitations which made it difficult to obtain visas. Churches left as disaffiliation end date was Dec 2023. If a congregation did not leave by that date they couldn’t. All were fed up with the lack of enforcement of the book of discipline. Tired of the gamesmanship and dirty tricks by liberal Bishops.

@jefferyharshman3319

Ай бұрын

@@joer5627 Why were any waiting around to leave? They should have left years ago. If the issue of homosexuality ever makes its way to a floor vote of a denomination, then that denomination as a Christian institution is over. If a denomination is uncertain about homosexuality, then it is time to leave it because it is not a difficult question. The homosexual lifestyle is clearly unbiblical and incompatible with a Christian life.

@ProfTricky3168

Ай бұрын

@@joer5627the part that makes me mad is due to bishops not enforcing disciplines, the traditionalist response was to give the entire church to the liberals.

@67L48

Ай бұрын

Mostly correct. Back in 2019, they tried to pass these same liberal ideas. But, the conservative US-based churches, along with a big African contingent, not only defeated them, but they enacted their own policies that included churches being able to leave the UMC *and* retain church property (most of which was owned centrally by the UMC). Between then and now, most of the conservative churches left + the UMC pulled some shenanigans to make it more difficult for the African churches to participate = liberal now have a strong majority. They basically eliminated any remnants of the church, so it's just a social club at this point.

@familydog

Ай бұрын

@67L48 I would describe most of Protestantism as a social club. I say this as a member of the GMC, wishing I had the option of an EO church.

I have a feeling a lot of "traditionalist" dissidents have been jumping ship for other streams of Evangelicalism entirely rather than trying to stay to save Methodism. A few UMC megachurches decided to disaffiliate and just carry on as generic non-denom megachurches rather than join the GMC. For those who are determined to have their infants baptized there is the Church of the Nazarene. I supsect many others have just gone to Assemblies of God, ARC churches, etc. I'll bet the GMC changes its name to drop the Methodist label within the next 15 years as well. It just doesn't carry the weight it used to.

@HolyKhaaaaan

Ай бұрын

Perhaps the time for Methodism has expired.

@KillerofGods

Ай бұрын

I'm not even sure what a Methodist Church is... If you want your baby baptized, the RCC and EOC is the way to go...

@katyasehryn8810

Ай бұрын

God didn't make denominations. That was never His intention. It is time for Christendom to stop following denominations that came as a result of a movement.

@charliesohm6572

Ай бұрын

I doubt that will happen. If anything GMC churches and schools are doubling down on Wesleyan classes and bands, digging deep into their DNA for the Methodist practices that had been lately abandoned.

@jsharp3165

Ай бұрын

I am a theologically conservative but politically very moderate Methodist. I was somewhat in favor of disaffiliation. But the GMC holds no appeal for me. Here in Alabama, it is typically a breeding ground of Trumpist white nationalism and that is just as bad as ultra-progressivism. However, going independent would have left our church bankrupt. It was a no-win scenario. I will faithfully teach the gospel in my Sunday School class made up of people my parents' age, nearly all over 70. Some almost 90. In short order, when either the church folds or my class have all died, my wife and I will probably move on to another church. Where, I don't know. Our community is 90% full of Baptist churches where Christian = MAGA and this is diligently enforced. We are too old to tolerate driving for hours each week to support a moderate Anglican Church 30 miles away. We'll see what happens.

Reminds me of when the US churches split over slavery in the 19th century, with the liberals creating their own churches based on progressive interpretations of the Bible and conservatives creating their own churches based on traditional interpretations.

Thank you for producing this faithful narration of events. As a 20+ year UMC pastor, it's difficult to find resources for my congregation that are both sufficient and succinct. I'll be happy to share this video with them. Well done.

@StonyKalango

Ай бұрын

Why have you guys not left what has become an apostate denomination

@Griffologee

Ай бұрын

@@StonyKalangowhat makes you an authority on it?

@StonyKalango

Ай бұрын

@@Griffologee ummm the word of God is the authority. Not me. The denomination is now gonna die a natural death anyway. It’s so sad because I used to be a part of it. When you throw away God and the authority of his word then people who truly love God are not gonna show up anyway, and just as every liberal denomination is dying completely, the Methodist will just follow suit. If you don’t teach the word of God, why should any true Christian bother showing up at church. Also the people who don’t really believe God anymore will probably spend the time in the bars than coming into a so-called church. Am sorry, thank God for your ministry of if you know what is best you will find a Bible believing denomination like the global Methodist or something else.

@StonyKalango

Ай бұрын

@@Griffologee I just said I am no authority. The Word of God is. If His word means nothing to you then I don’t know what you’re doing in ministry. You should go find another job doing something else. It’s as simple as that.

@Jshaw6614

19 күн бұрын

​@@StonyKalango To be frank, the word of God is interpreted differently by different people.

You might notice that in all the proclamations mentioned by Josh, absolutely none of them mentioned that they came about their conclusions from the Bible. Doesn't the Bible matter to these people?

@SpaceCadet4Jesus

Ай бұрын

What Bible? Whats that? Anybody seen a Bible lately?

@jfranklinlewis

Ай бұрын

I am now a former Methodist and we had a Conference employee call the Bible a stupid book during a sermon this year. Tells you where the UMC leadership stands. Sad to see them embrace the world.

@redj59

Ай бұрын

Nope.

@travismoore7938

Ай бұрын

A Methodist Pastor in our town said you had to go outside the Bible to other sources to get the full truth.

@redink71

Ай бұрын

lol. If they did they couldn't do any of this stuff. Its not about God ir what he wabts. Its about the Alphabet people and what they want.

I left the church in 1985, and never looked back. My life has done nothing but get better.

@ninjason57

Ай бұрын

Just realized that Jesus did not fail you, the flawed humans who you put your trust in failed you. Come back to Jesus. He is trustworthy

@graysonguinn1943

Ай бұрын

@@ninjason57pretty sure he means he left the UMC not Christianity

@ammsgod1764

Ай бұрын

Just for clarification, did you leave the United Methodist Church or the entire body of Christ?

@ammsgod1764

Ай бұрын

That’s what I figured but I think we should make sure

@balung

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I don't know what that actually means.

You're a blessing to the body of Christ. May God bless your endeavours. This was so informative

Y'know - It's really simple. You either accept the Word of God or you reject the Word of God. It's the same choice Adam had. This is nothing less than the apostasy of the last days. Yet, it would seem God has hardened their hearts, as he is known to do with those who wish to reject the Holy Spirit (the Author of the Word of God). In God's Word, we learn that God rained fire down on Sodom. To this day, He has not restored that city. Do you think maybe God was trying to make a point?

The story of the present-day UMC is so much more complex than the issues surrounding homosexuality. The theology of the progressive Methodist Churches is embarrassing. Jesus is just one of many paths to God. The virgin birth is considered a myth. The Bible is no longer the authoritative word of God. It goes on and on. Behind this are the seminaries that train UMC pastors. There will be no place to appoint conservative ministers. There is a very complicated back story to this soap opera. To focus only on the issue of sexuality takes away from the real problems of the UMC.

@DiamondKingStudios

Ай бұрын

Whenever theologians claim that Jesus is “one of many paths to God”, I wonder how they reconcile that with that passage in the New Testament where Jesus outright says that no one can go to the Father except through Him.

@iagoofdraiggwyn98

Ай бұрын

They ignore it. ​@@DiamondKingStudios

@DiamondKingStudios

Ай бұрын

@@iagoofdraiggwyn98 Of course.

@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana

Ай бұрын

@@DiamondKingStudios I mean... you could take that as literal. No one can physically go towards God's body or gain citizenship in Yahweh works.

@francismarion6400

Ай бұрын

Don't forget "Jesus was a Socialist".

As a Catholic, we frequently pray at Holy Mass for our separated brothers and sisters. May God grant you all the peace of Christ during this time of strife in your church. Amen.

@francismarion6400

Ай бұрын

Have you had the opportunity to attend an lgbt union at your church yet?

@derek4412

Ай бұрын

@@francismarion6400 No idea what a union is, but I had two gay roommates at my Catholic university. Does that count?

@francismarion6400

Ай бұрын

@@derek4412 Union = Marriage

@derek4412

Ай бұрын

​@@francismarion6400 The only marriages we have are between a man and woman who promise not to use contraception, open to life, freely consenting, and be exlusive with their bodies. Are you interested in learning more about Catholic teaching regarding Holy Matrimony and physical ethics? The Catechism of the Catholic Church has all teachings summarized between lines 1601 and 1666. I pray you find it spiritually edifying.

@francismarion6400

Ай бұрын

@derek4412 Then maybe you tell me what it means when Francis says to recognize same sex unions.

Leaving my church after 38 years. It makes me sad that I have to leave and not those trying to change the Word.

Was brought up in the Methodists Church! My stepfather and i left 5 years ago when our pastor informed us that the church was being hijacked by liberal thinkers.The bible clearly points out sins and to ignore homosexuality isnt going to get you into heaven. I go to a Baptist Church now that teaches the Bible.

i was Methodist at one point and left over this issue. it's really sad to see the church tearing itself apart.

@sufiameen6093

Ай бұрын

Same here. UMC is heretical leaving God's Word behind.

@thomasdalton1508

Ай бұрын

If they have fundamental differences in their beliefs, isn't it preferable that they split? A religious organisation is supposed to be a group of people with the same religious beliefs.

@geoffreyallen9314

Ай бұрын

The problem is they want to have a Church in Christs name but don’t follow HIM.

@polikuszka

Ай бұрын

@@thomasdalton1508the lack of debate seems to be the larger issue - ignoring other people’s feelings on the matter will always lead to tension and eventually separation. as an LGBT person myself i fear things like this cause people to falsely believe that LGBT people and christianity are somehow incompatible, leading to a further entrenchment of homophobia and prejudice. the UMC needs to take a step back and evaluate how they handled this.

@thomasdalton1508

Ай бұрын

@@polikuszka I wouldn't describe it as a lack of debate. It is just that the debate has already happened. Everyone already knows everyone else's views on the subject. It was time to just make a decision.

I knew it was in trouble when we had a female pastor who was on her third marriage and no one saw a problem with that.

@onedaya_martian1238

Ай бұрын

Sheeple, sadly clinging to any community that reinforces a myth pushed into them in childhood, or because they are lonely.

@John-fk2ky

Ай бұрын

@@onedaya_martian1238 You seem to be very much a sheep yourself. Why? If they were following a myth, they'd go where it is actually taught. Are you actually this ignorant?

@67L48

Ай бұрын

"I knew it was in trouble when we had a female pastor" you could have just stopped there. Once a church strays from scripture, it has sort of invented its own religion, anyway.

@professorquarter

Ай бұрын

@@67L48 If you weren't raised Weslyan, it's actually pretty common in the broader tradition to support female ministry. Even many of the more conservative Weslyan churches ordain women. That and the concomitant alcohol prohibitionist tendency were very characteristic in the past.

@protorhinocerator142

Ай бұрын

@@67L48 Yep. Female pastor? Bye.

I am right in the middle of this - and did you ever do a great job in giving context and getting the facts right. Fantastic work!

My mother lamented that her UMC in LA has been trying to leave for years and even have lawyers. If this is happening elsewhere, more exits are probably being delayed for whatever reason.

Anyone surprised about this should review the parable of the wheat and tares. I'm honestly fine with this. It's becoming easier to know who is aligned with Jesus now.

@weirdlanguageguy

Ай бұрын

Definitely! I for one am very glad that the UMC has put in the effort to align themselves closer to Jesus over the past few days.

GUESS it’s Ununited Methodist Church. Those that stand by the Bible as the Word of God and those that don’t stand by the Bible as the Word of God. The sheep/goat debate. The wheat/tare, saints/imitators.

@cathys465

Ай бұрын

Please don't blame all of them. Keep in mind that many congregations that would like to leave the UMC simply can't afford to pay the ransom to keep their real estate. It is really terrible when you realize that it was those same congregations that paid for their churches to begin with, but the conference bishop holds their deeds for who knows what evil purpose.

@josephcernansky1794

Ай бұрын

@@cathys465 "What will it profit a 'congregation' to gain the whole real estate only to LOSE its own SOUL?!" It's just stuff. It is NOT The Church

@garythorington1600

Ай бұрын

@@cathys465 Like I said above I never hear the saving grace and the rest of the Gospel of Christ in a church I went to over decades. Thankfully someone else told me about Jesus

@garyhiggs9764

Ай бұрын

Ungodly compromising

@mosessupposes2571

Ай бұрын

@@cathys465So their faith mission is a function of real estate holdings? Yep, that sounds like what Jesus would do.

This is a sad, sad thing - to watch a Christian denomination reject the Word of God and crumble to pieces. Truly the sheep are being separated from the goats.

@Dnttou0497

Ай бұрын

It should be illegal

@20quid

Ай бұрын

The Southern Baptists, an anti-LGBT denomination, is currently crumbling to pieces based on their own published membership data. I guess they must have rejected the word of God when they decides to hate others for the crime of feeling love.

I converted to the catholic church from methodism last year. I left the church after they had the kids singing “born this way” by lady gaga right after they sang “jesus loves the little children” what’s crazy is ive met a bunch of recent converts. 1 episcopal, 2 other methodists, and one non denom. The church is booming! People love traditional churches and none are more traditonal than ours.

@sueseelie

Ай бұрын

I saw a Methodist service where a couple of women sang the Disney song “Brave” on the “altar” or whatever they call the stage in front of the congregation. Very strange

@dylaneckstein2366

Ай бұрын

East Orthodox is more traditional but yeah they are both the oldest.

@sird2333

Ай бұрын

Primitive Baptist

@timboslice980

Ай бұрын

@@dylaneckstein2366 I like the orthodox, beards and glasses rock. They seem to hate me with an absolute passion and they come off as arrogant. Then when you have a good point they go all troll tactics. Probably just havent had the best experiences with them.

@dan-lansingmi9169

Ай бұрын

I am just curious. Why did you go to Roman Catholic Church and not an Orthodox Church

Your explanation of what is going on in the United Methodist Church and its most recent General Conference is more precise and thorough than that of any outside observer I have seen, and almost any inside source, as well. I admire and applaud your discipline in reporting the facts in a clear and concise manner. Unfortunately, in its quest for worldly approval and relevance, the UMC is giving up Biblical standards and truth. It is now contending for secular social and political goals rather than for the faith and the faithful.

@redink71

Ай бұрын

may as well be Unitarians.

@stevebrown8368

Ай бұрын

Another gay cooties fit.

And now a part of the order of social clubs.

There’s a fourth “R”. Relativism which is exactly what this is. It can’t be wrong 50 years ago and right now.

Thanks for the considered breakdown of the situation. The Methodists have come a long way from John Wesley rising up at four in the morning to pray for several hours and then spending the rest of the day peaching to most often hostile crowds. Yet his devotion to God basically saved England. This situation does not escape the notice of a Holy Creator.

As always, I commend you for being more informative than almost any other source on contemporary church issues while remaining objective. It is very very much appreciated!

There is one Church, and it’s not the one filled with heresy.

@RonJohn63

Ай бұрын

Is it filled with men who molest boys, and women who brutalize girls? I'm dubious.

@HeHasRisen.

Ай бұрын

The holy Catholic Church

@orborn3580

Ай бұрын

That’s catholic with a lower case c…

@polikuszka

Ай бұрын

heresy according to whom? according to the catholic church?

@g33k37

Ай бұрын

​@@HeHasRisen. Yes just not the Roman one

I grew up UMC but left the church in 2016. I’m now a Catholic.

I admire the objective presentation in this video. I sympathize with the Methodists and ex-Methodists who still believe in the gospel. And I am profoundly grateful for the authority Jesus Christ himself vested in his teaching Church, still present in the Magisterium of the Holy Catholic Church. Come and see.

Our local congregation went independent and is now a community church.

@RonJohn63

Ай бұрын

Out of curiosity, is the word "Methodist" in there, too?

@joefromravenna

Ай бұрын

@@RonJohn63 nope. The Methodist logo is off the side of the building, replaced with simple cross.

@joefromravenna

Ай бұрын

@@RonJohn63 and my understanding is that people from ours and neighboring town have voted with their feet. So that the neighboring congregation voted to stay with the denomination, and the people that disagreed with the decisions of the 2 churches have switched churches.

@RonJohn63

Ай бұрын

@@joefromravenna does "methodism" have a logo? Or are you conflating methodism with the UMC?

@joefromravenna

Ай бұрын

@@RonJohn63 sorry, my bad. The UMC symbol. Locally we also have a Free Methodist congregation, so i do know better.

As a UMC member for 57 years, with both parents having served in UMC ministry as til death took them, the words "appalled" do not scream loudly enough.

@someoneveryclever

Ай бұрын

The Global Methodist Church is the successor to the original UMC. Your parents today (as of May 2024) would probably be Global Methodists, not United Methodists.

Our former UMC congregation was among the first to leave in our state and quickly joined the GMC. We had been dealing with progressives for long enough to realize that they were going to turn the UMC into a denomination driven by pop culture theology. We have more than doubled in size since that decision, with people transferring from UMC churches that didn't disaffiliate. We have worked to reaffirm what is Biblical and Wesleyan. We lost only one adult member (and his three children) because of lour decision to leave. Our challenge has been assimilating, and finding a role in our ministries for everyone in our reconstructed congregation. We have already added two outreach ministries, as well as several new classes and groups. I expect that the decisions at this General Conference will shock many UMC members, and shake loose a few people that were previously loyal to the UMC name.

John Wesley and past congregations can be heard in mass rolling in their graves.

@thomasthellamas9886

Ай бұрын

Screaming from hell

@Schultz777

Ай бұрын

Entire sanctification becomes a lot easier when you declare that sins are no longer sins.

@FriarJoe66

Ай бұрын

It’s a good thing we don’t hold past leaders to be infallible and future-proof. Tradition is a valued component of the Wesleyan quadrilateral but it does not stand on its own.

@MarcillaSmith

Ай бұрын

Father John is presumably still being purgated of his anti-papistry. Father Charles may have received a suspended sentence to write some new material for the Heavenly choir.

@cathys465

Ай бұрын

@@thomasthellamas9886 Why would you say that John Wesley and earlier bible-believing Methodists are "screaming from hell"?

I can’t believe so many churches stayed and so little left.

@frzstat

Ай бұрын

In most Annual Conferences it was very expensive for a congregation to leave the UMC. In some it was near impossible. A congregation also needed a super-majority of members voting to leave, and the vote had to be approved by the Annual Conference, which blocked some congregations from leaving. Roughly 25% of congregations disaffiliated, but I think another 25% will just disappear.

@nunagoras

Ай бұрын

@@frzstat That's my prediction as well. The video is clear: Their average membership number is very small at this time. They'll simply to let those little conservative Churches to close down and sell the property. Most will close in the next few months as their members vote with their feet.

@theonlylolking

Ай бұрын

@@frzstat Right, so many of the churches there were not able to separate are going to be more vacant except in very liberal areas.

@joefranks4235

Ай бұрын

Money

@redink71

Ай бұрын

I think a bunch simply could not afford to leave. or were taking a wait and see approach. I don't think they expected to get stuck. Many that left did so only becasue they did not want to risk it.

The practice of homosexuality is inconsistent with Christian teaching. The Wesleys would be appalled with what just happened if they were alive today. No doubt they would have left the denomination. God can't truly bless any group condoning sin. So sad!

@redink71

Ай бұрын

they likely would have burned it to the ground.

@xyz5765

Ай бұрын

Sodom and Gomorrah! 🔥

@tomasrocha6139

Ай бұрын

Just like opposition to slavery

@jimpickard3760

Ай бұрын

In reality, they would have probably left long ago. I believe they would have been opposed to slavery as well.

Such a great video. Thank you so much!

Thank you for your video. I really appreciate it. I was actually waiting for this video to better understand the story behind all these things happening in the Methodist Church. I have a Methodist Minister, but in a much more Conservative and more rural area. He told me that things are much more traditional, but he told me his church would probably collapse if things changed to more liberal ideas.

The Bible is just a book of suggestions to some of these people, isn't it?

@theonlylolking

Ай бұрын

Yep, so many people do not even try to abstain from sins such as gluttony, homosexuality, adultery, lying, theft, coveting, dishonoring elders, idol worship, usury, and more that are all in the Holy Scriptures. It is one thing to try to abstain from sin. It is another thing to make a sin your identity.

@professorquarter

Ай бұрын

Yes. Many of these people reject even the most fundamental beliefs of Christianity (the resurrection, etc., even the very existence of Christ). Scripture as suggestion is frankly the central point of liberal theology. Their catechism is developed at the Democratic National Convention.

@tomasrocha6139

Ай бұрын

To all people. Christians today largely oppose slavery even though the bible condones it

It requires hubris to think you know better than 2,000 years of theology and go against what is not once affirmed in the Bible, but rather on the contrary numerous times. This is why I’m increasingly interested in the Catholic Church - strong Christian authority and theological tradition

@rubiks6

Ай бұрын

Are you kidding? Purgatory? Mary and idol worship? Salvation from a piece of bread? Unbiblical, unbiblical, unbiblical. Stick with the Bible. There's your solid tradition and foundation. There's a reason it's called "the Word of *God."*

@vexxshades2004

Ай бұрын

Orthodoxy welcomes you too! Neither Catholics nor Orthodox worship idols. There is nothing wrong with requesting the mother of Jesus to pray for us or to ask saints to pray for us, as it’s typical to ask other godly people to pray for us. Neither the orthodox or Catholics receive salvation from a piece of bread, rather it’s the body of Christ and that does not grant salvation alone.

@geordiewishart1683

Ай бұрын

You should not pray to dead people. That is necromancy.

@Kostas_Dikefalaios

Ай бұрын

​@@rubiks6Mary is the most holy mother of our Lord and deserves every veneration and honor, nobody worships her. The eucharist passage is literal and truly BIBLICAL, is an important part of salvation in every church with apostolic roots. Icons and statues arent idols. "Stick with the Bible" yeah we see what happens to the 1000s of denomination supposedly sticking to the Bible. Stick with the Church that gave you the Bible instead. Only 2 options, Orthodoxy or Catholicism and they are much closer theologically than any 2 Protestant churches. Stop these already and easily refuted Protestant arguments.

@charlesramirez587

Ай бұрын

​​@@rubiks6It's called the word of God by Tradition of the Church that has authority and wrote it. You abandon the mother Church at your own peril.

After 50 years in leadership roles, I was told "Fact do not matter." and "Your concerns are not important to this church." My concerns did not have anything to do with this issue, but to the failure of the pastor to tell the truth, the failure of the trustees to follow the law, and a total lack of consideration of my views by all church members. I left the church, and it was the best thing I ever did. This recent decision shows I was right. You should belong to a church that shares your values.

I left in 2022. It’s so sad. Most of my experience in the UMC was a warm hearted evangelicalism. It devolved into chaos.

@Icanya69

Ай бұрын

Yes, I grew up in a very different Methodist church than is represented today.

@eagletalons5333

Ай бұрын

Fine choice of words Pastor. Good on you.

@pamcollins2178

Ай бұрын

Same, here. Not the Methodist church I grew up in. Very sad.

@Turf-yj9ei

Ай бұрын

Sin will do that

@milkwalkerjones633

Ай бұрын

I truly think the leadership was infiltrated by atheists. I don't think this is an isolated incident either.

So, they are going full apostate and no longer service the Christ they proclaim. If you care for your soul, LEAVE.

@MohammedR-fk2ju

Ай бұрын

A Catholic would say that exact thing to a protestant lol

@Griffologee

Ай бұрын

If you think that I’m going to hell for daring to fall in love and dream of having a family, and I have to sit in your pew and be told what a wicked sinner I am for wanting love and peace… then I will gladly take brimstone.

"Rainbow" churches will fade and disappear since they have abandoned the clear teachings of the Gospel. I left the Episcopal Church when they abandoned the Gospel.

@robertbyrd2470

Ай бұрын

Sad to hear, sign of our times

@JS-L90

Ай бұрын

Keep telling yourself that, I guess. Doesn't change the fact that many people who leave church cite mistreatment of LGBTQ+ people as a reason

@johncasciani3296

Ай бұрын

It’s interesting Jesus never said a word about this disagreement.

@sbaker8971

Ай бұрын

@johncasciani3296. Jesus never mentioned that beastiality was wrong. I guess since He never mentioned it, it must be ok

@tomasrocha6139

Ай бұрын

Anti slavery churches will fade and disappear since they have abandoned the clear teachings of the bible

Satan has destroyed the Methodist Church.

@VictorianMaid99

Ай бұрын

Pretty much so. Now all that is left to do is rejoin Rome and kiss the POPE!

@robertbusuttil7848

5 күн бұрын

The Methodist, """church,"" destroyed itself by compromising with the world and its system. This is what happens when the holy bible is downplayed and ultimately reject by wicked clergy who become satans mouthpiece.. from pastor young Robert in Australia.

@cjextreme

Күн бұрын

Satan hasn't destroyed the church! Those that control how the religion operates have shown whom their true God is. This has actually been taught subtly for decades because the laymen kept following this evil. While most people ran away, they didn't run too far because the message has been watered down but remains mostly intact. Even those that started a break-off sect, still teach the same as before.

@VictorianMaid99

Күн бұрын

@@cjextreme people will leave the incorporated church and start their own fellowships.

@cjextreme

Күн бұрын

@@VictorianMaid99 but it's the same corrupt message! What's changing?

I grew up United Methodist and loved my upbringing in the church, but I did leave due to this issue. The writing was on the wall and I couldn’t stay any longer. I left for Orthodoxy and have not looked back since☦️

@franciscovasquez9417

Ай бұрын

Glorious Resurrection to you tonight, Christ is Risen ☦️

@patrick9876

Ай бұрын

@@franciscovasquez9417Thank you, Truly He is Risen!☦️

@thomasthellamas9886

Ай бұрын

Wonderful! Glad you are on your way to Rome

@kaylakincannon3458

Ай бұрын

Christ is risen from the grave Trampling down death by death And on those in the tombs bestowing life! ☦️ Blessed Pascha to all my brothers and sisters!

@KillerofGods

Ай бұрын

Hopefully everyone enjoys their Pascha.

Wondering where someone can find a copy of the new UMC Bible that was used at general conference. It should be much lighter with all the pages removed.

@namewitheld2568

Ай бұрын

Nice one

@hometowngirl8062

Ай бұрын

Agreed.

My church disaffiliated last year. Sadly some small churches in the area could not afford to The UMC may have won this battle but they will not last. Many members will walk away and then there are those that dont want to be identified as the United Methodis Church of Perversion

@kathy3178

Ай бұрын

I feel that in the next few years the UMC will find itself with a large amount of empty buildings and even smaller congregations. I don't see how they are going to survive embracing sin.

@Reub3

Ай бұрын

@@kathy3178 shhh... just let it happen. my church is in the market for a nice building with adequate parking lol.

Thank you for your even-handed, unbiased reporting! Very informative! And very well written and presented!

@ReadyToHarvest

Ай бұрын

Thank you, Sharon!

And to think, my Aunt and Uncle were declined a wedding ceremony back in 1948 as Uncle Harry was a Divorced man. My Aunt Jean and Dad, and family were Methodists from the early 1800s at least. They found another close-by church that would marry them...Baptist no less! Seems backwards doesn't it?🤔

@larrydewein

Ай бұрын

Matthew 19:9 = And I tell you this, that ANYONE WHO DIVORCES HIS WIFE, except for fornication, AND MARRIES ANOTHER COMMITS ADULTERY! (What Jesus said)

@garythorington1600

Ай бұрын

@@larrydewein Amen we are to follow Christ's teachings and if we love him we obey him

@LovelySoulofARiverRose

Ай бұрын

They were not in the right to get married. You’re more concerned about their want to be married than being correct about your position to do so in Gods word…That’s a people problem, believing they are the ones who dictate and bed rules God put in place.

Well, as far as I'm concerned, the UMC is now a completely apostate church.

Our church used to be called McKendree United Methodist Church. We struggled to get 40 people in the door on any given Sunday. Now it's simply called McKendree Church. Leaving the United Methodist mafia was the best thing our church ever did. Our church now regularly has around 100 people attending every week.

I used to be Methodist, however we left the church years before this all happened. The pastor at our church did not believe Jesus was the only way to heaven, and that there were multiple ways to heaven.

The Methodist Church is over.