No wonder why marika shaken when godwyn died, well he is the most normal of her child

@theobell2002

22 күн бұрын

You are assuming Godwyn was "normal" in life. I don't believe that since he was conceived during the Crucible. He is Marika's and Godfrey's child. Why would his twin brothers become omens yet Godwyn would not be affected? He wouldn't become an omen but the Crucible would still affect Godwyn in some way. I don't believe the fish tail we see on his corpse is part of some mutation or something. I believe he always had a fish tail. (Godwyn was a merman in life and nobody can tell me otherwise.)

@iqbaladi4481

22 күн бұрын

@@theobell2002 nahh blud just laying there being merman, we never know what he looked like when he still breathe, what we learned from the trailer godwyn body seems "normal to the eye" to me compare to other marika's child, maybe just like messmer he had hideous merman body or scale but didn't affect his appearance much, sadly marika seems care to her only good looking child

@alfalldoot6715

22 күн бұрын

​@@theobell2002We see Godwyn in the trailer and he looked completely normal

@theobell2002

22 күн бұрын

​@@alfalldoot6715 In every screenshot we see Godwyn in, his legs are completely obscured. If you look at the art of him getting assassinated by the Black Knives, his legs look really deflated like there's a fish tail there instead of legs.

@adamsirin7249

22 күн бұрын

I think Godwyn was a willing participant in becoming the Prince of Death. His personal guard are looking after his cadaver in the shadow realm

my posture after playing dlc 30 hours straight

@Sickamoree

22 күн бұрын

real😂

@TheChuffert

22 күн бұрын

Too real, bro 😂

@abereu8405

21 күн бұрын

Real

@GodFist215

Күн бұрын

😂😂😂

Messmer's eye not being a snake eye but Marika's rune was a good bait and switch from the trailers

@kayhaich

20 күн бұрын

Yeah, not dragon communion

@oliverlarosa8046

14 күн бұрын

Yeah, it got me pretty good

@yvngboygv

7 күн бұрын

Wait his eye a great rune ???

@oliverlarosa8046

7 күн бұрын

@@yvngboygv It's not a great rune itself, but the pupil is shaped like Marika's great rune. It's an artificial eye she implanted in him personally, so it makes sense that it would reflect her power in its design

@afrokid241

Күн бұрын

@@yvngboygva soreseal

Worst case of tapeworm I have ever seen.

@ELDniel-DW5pg

22 күн бұрын

abhorent beast, guardian ape and true monk have just as bad of a case

@MessmerPhase2

22 күн бұрын

⁠@@ELDniel-DW5pg which game is the abhorrent beast from

@jamesdgreyt1788

22 күн бұрын

​@@MessmerPhase2He's one of the bosses in Bloodborne's Chalice Dungeons

@tracemacmillan9718

22 күн бұрын

Rykard is actually worse. His is so bad, the role between tapeworm and person is sort of reversed

@joan803

22 күн бұрын

💀

One thing to note in his later forms: it looks like his body is absolutely infested with snakes. Even his exposed muscle is weird and snakelike. He's like a corpse being used as a puppet by snakes

@ItsYaBoiV

22 күн бұрын

Which continues the puppet theme of Elden Ring. Everything is being puppeteered by outer forces/gods.

@etinarcadiaego7424

22 күн бұрын

Spent too much time in the Forbidden Woods.

@quint3ssent1a

22 күн бұрын

Weird to see how we first saw his mockery, a "rotten duelist" who has snakes inside him too, and after two long years we finally saw who this image was meant to mock.

@ianwilliams2632

22 күн бұрын

​@@quint3ssent1a I thought nobody outside the Shadowlands knew he existed? It's a strange thing for all the crowds to mock someone they don't have any clue about. Maybe they understood it to be Rykard's serpent but the nobility/royalty knew otherwise. Pretty perverse.

@charalamboscharalambous165

22 күн бұрын

@@ianwilliams2632 the colosseums where active during Godfrey's time but became inactive after he became Elden lord to Marika meaning the hatred for snakes came before even the birth of Ricard and Messmer it is even stated in a piece of lore that Messmer's soldiers had great respect for him until the point which he revealed his serpentine features

I find it very funny how Messmer cracks open a Marika Rune and levels up right in front of us for phase 2.

@matt6231

22 күн бұрын

best comment right here

@EpicFroggz

22 күн бұрын

Underrated comment 😂

@deanod9543

22 күн бұрын

I’m pretty sure that’s a Marika’s soreseal

@Psychx_

22 күн бұрын

@@deanod9543 It was his own scarseal/soreseal. These talismans are literally just the eyes of those who posessed an obscene amount of grace.

@EpicFroggz

22 күн бұрын

@@Psychx_ I think it’s not incorrect to call it Marika’s Soreseal-“this legendary talisman is an eye engraved with an Elden Rune, said to be the seal of Queen Marika”-and she was the one who sealed the base serpent so, that’s pretty much what it is ye

One of the most tragic characters FromSoftware has ever created. Messmer became a monster just so that the denizens of the Shadow Realm could focus their hatred on him instead of his mother while she was busy creating a new order, but once she made it there was no place for him anymore because of the figure he became, and so she casted him away and erased every record of his existence from history. And so he embraced this "demon" figure people made him, not because he liked it (it's heavily implied he absolutely loathes his powers, his curse and overall himself) but because it was literally all that he had left.

@playboiy5678

19 күн бұрын

why did marika force messmer to go on a crusade to kill the impure in the shadow realm? why does messmer need to make the inhabitants hate him?

@icetide9411

18 күн бұрын

​@@playboiy5678Pretty sure it's because the Golden Order naturally conflicts with the Shadow Realm's worship of being an omen. Omens can't be revived through the Erdtree, and since the Erdtree is kind of represented as being a parasite (it gets fed the bodies of the dead, then revives their souls so that they can be fed to it infinitely), omens are a natural issue for that. My guess is that because of that Marika needed the omens wiped out, but she didn't want the omens to blame her, she needed a scapegoat, which is Messmer. I'm pretty sure it's the quote on Messmer's helmet where he's literally saying how he had to make them focus all of their hatred towards him.

@raezzlyr7137

18 күн бұрын

@@icetide9411Well, that and it’s heavily implied that the Hornsent Omens persecuted Marika’s people first, so it was also a genocide based on revenge as well.

@sedarium5307

18 күн бұрын

​​most likely Messmer did the massive genocide of the Shadow realm bc he wanted to do it for the sake of his mother bc how much he loved her, but once that finished and Messmer had his infamous status, Marika was forced to banish him from the Lands between since Messmer presence would affect negatively the Golden order and the Greater will. Marika is not a "bad mother" (atleast with Messmer), since Messmer loved her for a reason, and the items description says that Marika was actively caring for Messmer and trying to find a cure, until she crafted the eye that Messmer uses that serves more like a prevention than a cure, Marika didn't banish him bc he had a serpent curse, since Marika acknowledges childs like Malenia and Miquella, it's most likely bc of Messmer's infamous reputation of being a genocidal maniac, and Marika at that point was totally influenced by the Greater will.

@kairu_aname

17 күн бұрын

​@@icetide9411 Not sure what makes you think omens can't be revived. Morgot turns into a golden spirit when you return to face his dad. It's probably something else that's likely that omens are beings of the crucible's nature that they're shunned, and it seems more like a crusade of "join us or die" predilection, and anything that was worshipped was "removed"

Poor guy got that scoliosis real bad

@Staycoldyoung

22 күн бұрын

Makes sense with all them snakes living inside his body poor dude

@shermanwilliams9248

22 күн бұрын

Looks more like a case of Scaliosis to me

@RedHotChiliPepper31

21 күн бұрын

@@shermanwilliams9248ba tum tshhhh

@NuclearCactus1

19 күн бұрын

Makes sense with the massive red snake coming out of his spine

@ant3910

19 күн бұрын

@@Staycoldyoungalthough in second dlc trailer his posture looks normal, probably after siege he just sits his ass on the throne for years😂

Taking “would you love me if I was a worm” to a new level

@boxman7044

7 күн бұрын

“Would you love me if I was an abyssal serpent shorn of light?”

@kyor1806

7 күн бұрын

@@boxman7044”No.”

@sergiovergaramontemiranda2116

5 күн бұрын

​@@boxman7044 the twin moon knight: Baby say less ❤

@timwinterhalter5233

4 күн бұрын

​@@sergiovergaramontemiranda2116 rellana and tanith be like

I found interesting that some of his men show genuine care for Messmer some even praying begging Marika to embrace her child and some even ask when will the war end.

@VictorIV0310

21 күн бұрын

What’s also interesting is that despite his infamous reputation, Messmer inspires a surprising amount of loyalty from his troops, if certain item descriptions are to be believed. Commander Gaius is the leader of Messmer’s ground forces and even described to be his friend, possibly due to both being cursed in some way. They even served as older brother figures to Radahn since he and Gaius were friendly rivals in gravity sorcery. Rellana, a Carian princess and younger sister to Rennala, chose to forsake her royal status and sided with Messmer, perhaps out of pity for his curse, before becoming his loyal “Sword”. Many of his elite knights came from noble familes and joined his crusade, knowing that they’d be shunned at best and erased from history at worst. Even the lower grunt Lordsworn soldiers were described as penal troops pressed into his army for the crusade yet are shown to be difficult enemies with many tricks up their sleeve, implying a level of training and discipline higher than even some knights in the Lands Between. On top of all that, they have no real reason to stay in the Land of Shadow anymore. The Golden Order has collapsed, Queen Marika is imprisoned in the Erdtree and the Lands Between was ravaged in the Shattering, all before the Tarnished comes to kill any and all remaining demigods left. Messmer and his army could’ve deserted the Golden Order, splinter up and resort to banditry. Yet, even after all this time, Messmer’s army remained at their posts, unaware of the developments in the Lands Between, with no hint of any rebellion or mutiny aside from one black knight who abandoned Messmer after discovering his “serpentine nature” and was imprisoned for it.

@lafayecci5619

21 күн бұрын

​@@VictorIV0310 Carian Ladies simp hard, it seems

@genghiskhan6809

21 күн бұрын

@@lafayecci5619At least Ranni is lucky she fell for our tarnished. Have you seen how thirsty as a community we tend to be for her?

@VictorIV0310

20 күн бұрын

@@lafayecci5619For redheads, in particular.

@elbadaernu9902

20 күн бұрын

​@@VictorIV0310the carian siblings and their love for red head 😭

"The Impaler" Idk, man. He looks like he was the one impaled.

@IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII217

22 күн бұрын

the serpent came and saw

@dev4159

17 күн бұрын

That's pretty much the idea

@whitecreator905

9 күн бұрын

Hurt ppl hurt ppl

@redmijuara-un4ez

8 күн бұрын

Also the snake have wing for some reason as much as why is his left eye closed​@@IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII217

@World_XXI

8 күн бұрын

The first thing he impaled, was himself.

My man Messmer did NOT deserved what Marika did to him. Bro looks so gentle 😭😭😭

@deathangeleas2401

16 күн бұрын

well really what the base serpent did to him and marika. marika cared about him fr.

@corvo_und6

16 күн бұрын

@@deathangeleas2401 why would him curse Marika in the end? Also, Messmer is nowhere to be found in the base game, it seems like Marika tried to hide Messmer or something like that. The eye was probably to Marika's own gain, maybe Messmer could ruin her plans or something like that

@deathangeleas2401

16 күн бұрын

@@corvo_und6 He said that in lament apparently, according to lore people he was saying it in a way where he felt he was a curse upon her from the beginning and wished only to be her hero for the original sin which is also a big lore point. In regards to her hiding mesmer its actually not the case as apparently it was actually that she just couldn't return to the shadow realm. I guess because everything that happened after radagon appeared.

@dadevi

16 күн бұрын

@@corvo_und6 It's a blasphemous serpent. Serpents always devour Gods, just like Rykard's ate him. Marika tried her best to contain Messmer with the false eye. But Mesmer was always going to turn on her.

@quincykunz3481

16 күн бұрын

while he had a bad upbringing, he also committed war crimes on a massive, MASSIVE scale. They don't call him the Impaler for fun. Dude isn't a saint, he just so happened to be on the winning side of a war.

no wonder hes hunched over... bro is in PAIN

@sasaki999pro

19 күн бұрын

Max0r: _Arent we all?_

@Dominik0-0

15 күн бұрын

😞

@glorytoukraine5524

13 күн бұрын

@@sasaki999pro poor guy isn't even done with the base game yet, and now there's dlc to do as well

Miquella: Eternal Youth Malenia: Scarlet Rot Messmer: Serpentine Nature Melina: Kindling Maiden Four children, four curses

@xcalibur1944

22 күн бұрын

And Melina is eternal burning.

@MikeL-eo9lp

22 күн бұрын

@@xcalibur1944 true, but I didn’t include her because I feel the other three are more solidly siblings. I personally believe she is the fourth child of Marika and Radagon but other people think she’s Miquella or Ranni.

@l0y3lg45

22 күн бұрын

@@MikeL-eo9lp mesmer is cursed, as are the children of Radgon and Marika. It is very likely that he is a pure brother of Malenia and Miquella. In addition, it has already been confirmed that his mother is Marika. Added to the red hair that only Radagon's children have, the probabilities increase even more.

@MikeL-eo9lp

22 күн бұрын

@@l0y3lg45 ok? My comment was referring to Melina

@MikeL-eo9lp

22 күн бұрын

@OfficialPokezaeyeah. But Miquella, Malenia, and Messmer aren’t cursed in the same way Morrgot and Mogh are. Morrgot and Mogh are cursed by the crucible with the omen blood. The trio are cursed cause of their parents confusing courting.

One thing I love about the gods and demigods designs in this game is the just slightly too much proportions. The arms are a big too long for their rest of their body, they’re heads are too small, stuff like that. It really sells that fact that though they look vaguely human, they are anything but.

@greasemonk4576

11 күн бұрын

They did the same thing with Nightjars in Sekiro and the Yharnam denizens.

@raydhen8840

11 күн бұрын

Yeah I generally noticed that humanoid / "once-a-human" being Fromsoft character design in Souls series tends to looks a bit off, aside from just being bigger by default from players (partially for gameplay purpose), sometimes to sells the uncanny valley effect. Some like Yharnamites has in-lore explanation (transition to beasts), some just don't (Pthumerians)

@quoccuongtran724

4 күн бұрын

even the gorgeous Rennala gives off an uncanny body proportion too

@alfonshedstrom9859

4 күн бұрын

They usually have so much clothes and armor that you dont really see their real proportions, and it's only when you unclothe them you realise how weird they look. Mohg looks so goofy without his robes

"Direct thy maledictions, thine ire, and thy grief towards me alone."

@IronForce-ff2qx

22 күн бұрын

So, this implies that the whole: “Serpent is a traitor to the Erdtree” thing is a lie and Marika forced Messmer into becoming a scapegoat for her crimes, then branded him a traitor to avoid the ire of her subjects caused by the Crusade.

@Akrilloth

21 күн бұрын

@@IronForce-ff2qx To no-ones surprise, Marika is, and was, a complete morally bankrupt piece of shit. The Greater Will was kind of justified in nailing her to her own rune, lmao.

@zaloon148

21 күн бұрын

​@@IronForce-ff2qxnah Bru the god devouring serpent still exists and we know he evil

@IronForce-ff2qx

21 күн бұрын

@@zaloon148 I don’t think the Serpent deity was ever a part of the Golden Order for it to be referred as a “Traitor” and considering Rykard, this belief about serpents began while Godfrey was still Elden Lord.

@michaeljohnston8891

20 күн бұрын

@@IronForce-ff2qxthere is the matter of Messmer fleeing from the Erdtree, however. And, much like his sister, he bore a vision of flame. I think he’s the most likely culprit for the First Burning of the Erdtree, and he may have been sent in this crusade as a kind of penance

4:33 Messmer doesn't inherit his parents' cake, probably that's why Marika abandoned him

@Hain-Channel

22 күн бұрын

Con rắn hút hết chất dinh dưỡng r 🐧

@thanhvu2377

22 күн бұрын

💀

@lavishlyvice

22 күн бұрын

still would

@logarius2178

22 күн бұрын

Not the BBL Mesmer….

@Lardo137

22 күн бұрын

"18 inches of Messmer"

"I can fix him"

@kokocarillo9931

21 күн бұрын

😏

@Bipolaroid90

21 күн бұрын

I can make him worse

@ladonmccabe

21 күн бұрын

Are you a chiropractor?

@dzvw8840

21 күн бұрын

t. Rellana

@yamnbam4346

20 күн бұрын

@@dzvw8840I find it kind of sweet tbh

Alternate title: Messmer is undressed in phases with dramatic music

It's interesting how the snake goes from a red-ish color to almost completely white. It reminds me of how Marika's hair becomes red when Radagon takes hold

@EpicFroggz

22 күн бұрын

I think the white part is the snake shedding its skin because it grows in phase 2! which is fucked up cuz in doing that it’s tearing him apart 😭

@blakewhite3131

22 күн бұрын

​@@EpicFroggz yeah, it's thicker than before and translucent, so shedding is immediately what that evoked for me too

@gorb688

21 күн бұрын

@@EpicFroggz speaking of shedding snaked skin, outside the pot town in the main place of the DLC, near the o mother emote you can see shedded snake skin, but weirdly it doesn't fit the size and length of the base serpent, just wanted to point it out as I found it really strange and interesting

@superspeedbagel9288

21 күн бұрын

@@gorb688i’m glad somebody saw that snake skin too! i’m still wondering what’s up with it. i don’t remember it having an item or anything

@imannam

20 күн бұрын

reminds me of the alien leech guys that use finger sorcery near the hallowed ruins. they're also darkish and there's a different version that's shedding skin and looks white. maybe the nature of the base serpent is also alien to us. like the rot god

Rellana really said "damn that's hot." Didn't she?

@calebjones4952

22 күн бұрын

Carians have a thing for redheads, evidently.

@eldendynast

22 күн бұрын

Rellana has taste or she's moonscorched

@mselaf6301

22 күн бұрын

Actually that's hot... Would and will

@alguem5645

22 күн бұрын

Maybe liking redheads is a family thing.

@kokocarillo9931

21 күн бұрын

I also think he’s hot. I get her. 😏

Big reveal was that Mesmer is just the snakes in a trench coat enemy from bloodborne

@fromrawn9303

19 күн бұрын

Found it kinda disappointing to be honest. He is just another snake asset reuse boss. Like Rykard, Bloodborne and Sekiro.

@sebastianb.3978

18 күн бұрын

​@@fromrawn9303eexcept all of them have unique designs and movesets, so tf you yapping about? From used prominent serpent imagery since DS1

@fromrawn9303

18 күн бұрын

@@sebastianb.3978 his Phase 2 movesets are pulled straight from Shadows of Yharnam phase 2? Which were also used partially by Rhykard, so what are you yapping about? Elden Ring your first game yappy hahaha

@LatteSoul3603

18 күн бұрын

@@fromrawn9303 I played both, and can clearly say that aside from both using big snakes they are not the same. Different timings for dodges, different context, different patterns, hell even the sizes and textures are different. My best guess is you were too busy panic rolling in both fights to think or take a closer look at them dude…

@fromrawn9303

18 күн бұрын

@@LatteSoul3603 the cope is unreal. Brilliant none points made except the textures. Reusing assets is fine, just disappointing for this boss.

I’ve been speculating that Messmer’s role in the Land of Shadow was an overseer installed by Marika to keep its denizens in check both as a form of exile for his blasphemy and a duty that she foisted on him until he will be allowed back into her arms. Turns out I was half right; While I don’t know his exact feelings on the matter when he waged war against the land, he was indeed tasked with lording over the land as a dreaded “devil” figure for its denizens to focus their hatred on. Messmer also hated his fire powers and had a serpent within him that he tried to get rid of but to no avail. Marika plucked out one of his eyes and placed a seal of grace to keep the snake within before having him kept away in the Land of Shadow, presumbably erasing him from history. He also sounds quite weary in his boss introduction where he seems reluctant to fight us but accepts it as his duty nonethless and second phase cutscene where he looks at the Marika statue before ripping his eye out. For him to curse Marika in his dying breath, he must’ve carried such lifelong resentment towards her. Poor guy. Also, if I’m not mistaken “Base” could mean an old, archaic term for vile, lowly, contemptuous or even bastard, hence the other term “baseborn” which could also refer to a bastard born out of wedlock?

@maximdecimus2258

22 күн бұрын

The Base Serpent could also be a reference to Nidhogg, the serpent at the bottom of the world tree in Norse mythology

@abydosianchulac2

22 күн бұрын

Yeah, base as lowly/vilesome was the meaning I saw first.

@mrsgamer9218

22 күн бұрын

Good to know that i wasnt the only one that noticed how tired and lonely he sounded. I also think he had no desire to wage the war Marika put on him. Maybe, just maybe, he might've been one of the most chill guy out there (next to Radahn) but Marika made him into this 'bad guy' Gods, im starting to hate Marika more and more.

@chillax319

22 күн бұрын

@@mrsgamer9218 When it comes to the "current ruling family of Lands Between" almost every atrocity and bad thing can be traced back to Marikas intrigues.

@ashencometmom5291

22 күн бұрын

i'm really glad that my pre-release understanding of his trailer line was correct, in that he's not just dismissing your claim to lordship to be an asshole, but he's genuinely like "mother, the whole point of this crusade is to give you a world with nothing but grace, why am i still here if that's no longer the case"

wow he has long EYELASHES . . Base Serpent Messmer is, possibly, my most disastrous WOULD

@user-xt5bx1ko8c

20 күн бұрын

My reaction when reaching the second phase and seeing him without his helmet for the first time was actually being amazed by, even with all the shit going on, how beautiful his face was. Absolutely WOULD.

@XcessiveNinja17

20 күн бұрын

the snakes mean he can work more spots at the same time

@WadeAlma

19 күн бұрын

This comment section is down bad bro. I'm glad to see it.

@icetide9411

18 күн бұрын

You're all insane. Insanely deserving of my respect.

@mastersaskashi8654

18 күн бұрын

Rellana has competition.

Damn I thought the snakes where wrap around him not coming out of him.

@kakishisfriend1126

22 күн бұрын

Same! When the clothes came off, it was gruesome to see them coming from his chest and back 😢

@ProCoRat

16 күн бұрын

Yeah bro is not having a great time

@Dominik0-0

15 күн бұрын

@@ProCoRatdefinitely not😞Although isn’t he kind of…smiling? When we meet him? In the cutscene?

@ProCoRat

15 күн бұрын

@@Dominik0-0 You may be the first interesting thing he as encountered in hundreds of years. Dude is just waiting in the dark for his mother to welcome him back home.

Anyone else get a HEAVY Dark Souls vibe when Messmer gouged his own eye out, and then revealed the black and empty socket wreathed in flame, that looked rather intentionally like the Darksign that brands the undead?

@PierreLucSex

19 күн бұрын

Thought about the ouroboros as well

@aiellamori

19 күн бұрын

The entire dlc felt very dark souls coded. Base game elden ring is way more high fantasy, the dlc definitely brought back that dark fantasy vibe

@thegenzmindset7127

19 күн бұрын

@@aiellamoriagreed

@Dominik0-0

15 күн бұрын

@@aiellamoriAGREED! And that is why it should have been like the DLC all along. Messmer is a perfect character and boss, I also loved the dlc way more than the base game lol

GOOD GRIEF HE'S NAKED!

@gio-iu7ir

22 күн бұрын

hell yea😁

@L.K.48

22 күн бұрын

Explains the snake...

@DanteVerde-pt9zc

22 күн бұрын

If I have a nickel every time a child of Marika and Radagon is naked I'll have two nickels, which is not a lot but still weird it happened twice

@etinarcadiaego7424

22 күн бұрын

​@@DanteVerde-pt9zcwell, I mean their parents walk around (hang in Marika's case?) half naked so.

@WadeAlma

22 күн бұрын

Show me the front The snake censor bar is hilarious.

Completely stuck on this fight right now, but such an amazing character design. Superb voice acting too. Almost makes all the failed attempts on him less painful. 🤣

@mrsgamer9218

22 күн бұрын

Second phase is wild...

@Dev_Astral

20 күн бұрын

@@mrsgamer9218 yeah first phase is manageable for me now, except his freaking Yoda jump where his saltos all around and does a million stabs, goes too fast for me lol But the 2nd phase is madness. I have 9 scadutree levels and he absolutely shreds me in 2 hits lol

@mrsgamer9218

20 күн бұрын

@@Dev_Astral be sure to pick up the ultimate fire protection nearby first. Helps a lot.

BASED Serpent Messmer

@abereu8405

21 күн бұрын

He’s been training those lats fr🪽💪

That's some Elden Tape Worm you got there, Messmer.

I think it's really interesting how at first his eye looks like the yellow and slitted eye of a snake, but then for a moment before he picks it out it's revealed that it's marikas rune, it's a dead ringer for her scarseal/soreseal.

Messmer looks awesome and is the most interesting boss in the DLC, the design, cut scenes, the fight, dialog, 10/10

@Blackblade-NeX

22 күн бұрын

he is easily one of my two favorite bosses of all time. His lore is also sad as fuck

@cornpop838

20 күн бұрын

Dialog lmao? he has like two lines stop glazing so hard

@Blackblade-NeX

20 күн бұрын

@@cornpop838 I think he meant his lines and the delivery of those sentences

i was not expecting messmer to have a belly button

@mitsuri3096

22 күн бұрын

Yes very needed detail when fighting him

@animemanga5409

22 күн бұрын

@@mitsuri3096 Wdym you don't stare at the not visible belly button when you fight him? Isn't that why everyone's dying so much to him- myself included ofc... smh

@narutouzumaki-dk2mv

22 күн бұрын

Kinky

@pxxi

22 күн бұрын

@jessiesewell4076 that's why i was so surprised! looks like that's what they're implying.

@gyozapunk

21 күн бұрын

That fact is actually very emotional to me, and humanizes Marika a lot. Could you imagine being a first time mother, likely giving birth alone in a shack in your village, and your baby is born inexplicably deformed by snakes?

I feel really sorry for the guy

@supersamui.4423

22 күн бұрын

Yea he really got the short end of the stick

@Mycopoks

21 күн бұрын

​@@supersamui.4423but not the short dick😂

Messmer, wielder of the 18 feet impaler

@YEY0806

22 күн бұрын

"You won't last 3 minutes in this boss fight"

@somersaultinggiraffe1901

22 күн бұрын

18 inch? Bro that's 18 FEET

@Hekk.

21 күн бұрын

@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 and also he is the one being impaled

He's still cute

@lgscteam

12 күн бұрын

Smash

@Jesicaah

12 күн бұрын

@@lgscteam real

@mariapaula2137

6 күн бұрын

the biggest hear me out in this dlc

He really looks like his sister Malenia

@thegodofsoapkekcario1970

22 күн бұрын

He also looks very Slavic, Messmer Bosniak confirmed????

@SpacePirateLord

22 күн бұрын

Sister, or other half? St. Trina being revealed as the other half of Miquella via the Alchemical Rebis process opened up a WHOLE nother can of worms in the lore. Any of the Empyreans can have other halves now, much like how Marika had Radagon.

@uncleulysses2328

22 күн бұрын

@@SpacePirateLordthe fact not many people caught on to that in the first game was shocking. Mfs were always yelling what is marika and the divine rebis was all I could think of

@polskillz

22 күн бұрын

His sister isn’t Malenia, it’s Melina

@SpacePirateLord

22 күн бұрын

@uncleulysses2328 I figured this out in the base game as well, including all the weird fun bits like how the Tarnished's main purpose is to purify gold (removing the impurity of Radagon from Marika so a new golden age can begin, or Ranni's Silver Age) or that Gold Mask's ending is the one most beneficial to Marika. For some reason I didn't originally think the other Empyreans had undergone the process yet, but... I guess they had, as St. Trina is a figure famous enough to have had myths and legends. This can also explain Melina's origin, as there's not a single bit of lore about her.

My man got a bigass snake on his body and still manages to attack as fast as a mosquito

ok. this raises more questions than answers.

@nicolaslabra2225

21 күн бұрын

the whole DLC does

@gorb688

21 күн бұрын

@@nicolaslabra2225 yeah they kinda messed up by making a DLC with so many loose ends, they gonna need two more elden ring DLC's plus a shadow of the erdtree DLC DLC to wrap up the story

@PBart7

19 күн бұрын

They basically didnt address anything from the base game, which is honestly crazy to me. ​@gorb688

@camdogg

17 күн бұрын

the leaving more questions than answers is their whole thing in their souls games, they can do more linear storytelling tho based on their other games so very interested on how a souls game with an upfront storytelling would go

@_Potaro

16 күн бұрын

@@PBart7 they actually do. Keep searching you will find a lot from the base game.

"Those stripped of the grace of gold shall all meet death, in the embrance of Messmer's flame."

@SENTINEL641

22 күн бұрын

I definitely heard this line a few times during the million fights 🤣

@jamesnorman9160

22 күн бұрын

I appreciate that since flames/fire is generally linked to an Outer God or some other concept, that Messmer's Flame has it's own visual design: a dark orange, like a mix between light and dark. He sits somewhere in the middle, not leaning either which way.

@sourxpill

22 күн бұрын

I love how tired and bored he sounds when he delivers the line. It's been in my head for days.

@lalouwu6371

21 күн бұрын

​@@sourxpilljust like tired, depressed, reading all his item descriptions and how he was alone, with the snakes being his eternal Friends and him wanted to get rid of his own flame makes me fell sad for him

@softsounds8453

19 күн бұрын

@@sourxpill With the way some of the invaders repeat it, I wouldn't be surprised if that's was his war cry during the war. Dude is so tired of this shit he threw a slogan at you instead of saying something meaningful 💀

I need him carnally thank you for the peak drawing reference video

@EpicFroggz

22 күн бұрын

Literally the exact reason I sought out this video, saaaame

@Bipolaroid90

21 күн бұрын

Link to the drawing when you're done?? 👉👈 JUST for my own inspiration! Of course!

@hazy_v0id

21 күн бұрын

same here lol this boy need some love

@cassiopeiuh

20 күн бұрын

realest take ever 🙏 i thought it was just me

The only one of Marika kids who actually called her BS out loud... (unless I missed a line somewhere.)

@glorytoukraine5524

13 күн бұрын

We were hoping Miquella had it figured out, and he just pulled a Marika on everyone else.

Dude, you were so quick with this. As an artist, I thank you. Now, I don't have to analyze his cutscenes to get the details right!

Is the snake connected inside? Like, is it a one snake with two heads on opposite ends? I love the level of detail that never could be seen by the player without using outside tools. They really didn't have to fully model him down to the buttcrack, but they did. Also, smash.

@maximdecimus2258

22 күн бұрын

Looks like 1 snake body with 2 heads, like a double ouroboros

@spacenaves

22 күн бұрын

​@@maximdecimus2258I dig the mental picture. Ouroboros, the snake that kisses its own mouth.

@mrsgamer9218

22 күн бұрын

Definitly smash

@EpicFroggz

22 күн бұрын

They're referred to as plural, two snakes, but I think they wouldn't be able to support their own weight if they weren't connected, so I think yea one snake with two heads (I need to dissect his anatomy darnit 😂)

@kokocarillo9931

21 күн бұрын

Since day 1, I was like “I’ll smash that.” So this made me laugh XD

I think he needs to eat some more. I dont mind cooking him a lovely mommy dinner.

I'm surprised he's able to use his left arm at all, considering that his shoulder blade is likely in pieces.

The second we all saw this guy for the first time I just knew there was something off about him, and I don't mean just the fact he has snakes growing through his body. He just looks...off: like his arms and legs are way too long for the rest of his bodily proportions, and his torso is crooked too, because of the snakes threading through him. Also, does anyone else think the close up of the burning around his empty eye socket looks like the Darksign? A black void surrounded by fire? Possibly a reference there. And his base serpent form is suitable serpentine too: like Marika had good reason to have him sent away to the Land of Shadows because his appearence is outside of what the Golden Order would accept. Also, bless him to a certain extent: even ages later, he kept up his crusade in the Lands of Shadow because he never got the explicit order to stop, and he remained loyal to said mission...until he finally dies, and then he finally curses his mother.

@darthvaderbutwayshittier7054

21 күн бұрын

He's not dead. A Serpent Never Dies. And his helmet talks about him in future tense.

God I want him so bad and I'm not afraid to say it

My most unhinged WOULD and I'm not even ashamed, he's so fine😩

OMG- the snakes weren’t wrapped around him- they actually are THROUGH him! What is Messmer’s story?

@The_Warden

22 күн бұрын

I thought they were apart of him in game, getting a closer looks like this is sweet. :P

@SavicksterTheTrixter

22 күн бұрын

@@The_Warden when the monster preview came out, Mesmer was clothed, so I couldn’t tell. The word is he connected with Rykard through the snakes. Where is the evidence in this?

@heartstone44

22 күн бұрын

From what I gathered through item descriptions he's something of a similar case to Malenia. Only he wasn't born with a Scarlet Rot God inside him but a Serpent one, and the eye that he plucks out was placed there originally by Marika to suppress the influence of the snakes.

@animemanga5409

22 күн бұрын

THIS IS SPOILERS . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Remembrance of Messmer the Impaler, hewn into the Scadutree. The power of its namesake can be unlocked by the Finger Reader. Alternatively, it can be used to gain a great bounty of runes. A malevolent snake writhed within Messmer, and so his very mother plucked out his eye and put in its place a seal of grace. Yet, having done so, her fear compelled her to secret away her child within the realm of shadow. Hidden away-keeping company with the original sin, and a hatred that would not be confined." "Black armor of Messmer the Impaler. Draped with a red cloak bearing his crest embroidered. On his mother's wishes, Messmer made himself a symbol of fear, undertaking the cleansing crusade she desired. "Direct thy maledictions, thine ire, and thy grief towards me alone."" "The kindling that burned inside Messmer the Impaler. A dark thing, eaten away at by a wicked serpent. Burns the sealing tree said to be found at the old Rauh ruins. Messmer, much like his younger sister, bore a vision of fire." Melina "Black helm of Messmer the Impaler, crowned with two intertwined winged serpents. Slightly enhances incantations of Messmer's flame as well as Fire Knight skills. The winged snakes were Messmer's constant companions. They were there when the base serpent was sealed away behind his eye. They were there through his eternity of suffering. They will accompany him yet, in his hideous new form born when he destroyed the grace granted by his mother. They have accepted his fate as much as he."

@samuel.jpg.1080p

22 күн бұрын

@@heartstone44 are Mesmer's serpents the same serpent god as Rykard's?

Messmer:"You guys wanna pet my snake(s)?" 😀

He really is his father's/mother's son. I mean, look at him, He looks f-uped

A close up of all 18 inches of Messmer

Grant us eyes!

@jeremytitus9519

22 күн бұрын

Cleanse our beastly idiocy

@kaiserdetectivegolden2735

22 күн бұрын

*Sneks

@Eldenringdefender

22 күн бұрын

Er>> bb

@aliissam4176

21 күн бұрын

Bb>er ​@@Eldenringdefender

@Eldenringdefender

21 күн бұрын

@@aliissam4176 lil shadow of the erdtree is 95 while bb whole game is 92 lol

[SPOILERS FOR MESSMER'S STORY BELOW] Not the shaking feet lmao People going to go crazy 😂 THIS IS SPOILERS . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Remembrance of Messmer the Impaler, hewn into the Scadutree. The power of its namesake can be unlocked by the Finger Reader. Alternatively, it can be used to gain a great bounty of runes. A malevolent snake writhed within Messmer, and so his very mother plucked out his eye and put in its place a seal of grace. Yet, having done so, her fear compelled her to secret away her child within the realm of shadow. Hidden away-keeping company with the original sin, and a hatred that would not be confined." "Black armor of Messmer the Impaler. Draped with a red cloak bearing his crest embroidered. On his mother's wishes, Messmer made himself a symbol of fear, undertaking the cleansing crusade she desired. "Direct thy maledictions, thine ire, and thy grief towards me alone."" "The kindling that burned inside Messmer the Impaler. A dark thing, eaten away at by a wicked serpent. Burns the sealing tree said to be found at the old Rauh ruins. Messmer, much like his younger sister, bore a vision of fire." Melina "Black helm of Messmer the Impaler, crowned with two intertwined winged serpents. Slightly enhances incantations of Messmer's flame as well as Fire Knight skills. The winged snakes were Messmer's constant companions. They were there when the base serpent was sealed away behind his eye. They were there through his eternity of suffering. They will accompany him yet, in his hideous new form born when he destroyed the grace granted by his mother. They have accepted his fate as much as he."

@Eva-uw6uo

22 күн бұрын

This makes me think that Messmer's role in the god hierarchy is similar to Vlad the Impaler aka Dracula. IRL Vlad's father was part of the Order of the Dragon. Vlad would crusade on behalf of Pope Pius II and was known to be absurdly terrifying to the enemies of the church- to the point where if vampires were real they could definitely take some notes from him on the art of menace. Messmer also mirrors lots of fictional portrayals of Vlad, since he supposedly became a vampire after forsaking God as he was dying (the cause of death being up for some debate), and Messmer curses his mother's name as he dies. Given how much George R.R. Martin likes pulling from real world history in his writing, it wouldn't surprise me if these similarities were intentional. Plus, I mean, they do both have Impaler as their titles. edit: misspelled Pope Pius II's name

@gwyndolinds-en8yt

22 күн бұрын

He makes me think of the evil king Dahhak from Iranian mythology. He had 2 hungry serpents growing from his shoulders. To keep them satiated so that they didn’t eat his head, he need to sacrifice 2 people constantly Probably it’s just a coincidence, but it’s a cool association nonetheless

@spacenaves

22 күн бұрын

So the cute little winged serpents are there to ease his torment as opposed to making it worse. Good to know.

@Eva-uw6uo

22 күн бұрын

@@gwyndolinds-en8yt Honestly there may be some truth to that too, if not on Martin's side then likely from From Software's side.

@TheoJay615

22 күн бұрын

The Remembrance description has a lot of lore implications and I think it explains the story trailer more. In the trailer, we see Marika rip grace out of something before she attempts to ascend to godhood. I believe that she tore grace from a giant snake's eye and that this "Base Serpent" was considered divine (if not the the reigning god) in the age she was usurping. I believe that Messmer literally inherited the original sin that was committed by his mother. And now, he carries the base serpent she slayed within him. I also think it's clear that Marika loved her son at one point, but she ultimately chose to abandon him (the living embodiment of her sins) in the shadow realm along with all other inconvenient truths about her rise to power.

Think the base serpent had the gloam eyed queen as his consort - explains the snake features in the apostles - and Melina had the gloam eyed queen sealed in her eye just like Messmer had the base serpent sealed in his. Both are used as kindling so they're probably siblings.

I like how the snakes on Messmer's base form are shedding. Cool detail.

Thanks for this up close view! It’s really helpful for fanart 😊

HEAR ME OUT NOW-

@cassiopeiuh

20 күн бұрын

hearing you loud and clear 🙏

@dude_who_likes_3d_modeling

11 күн бұрын

To late, you’ve already been heard out a long time ago

@anatoliasmercenary.

5 күн бұрын

LOUD AND CLEAR ‼️‼️

Radagon’s gens

Man... he's so pretty!!!! 🙇‍♂️

@TryinaD

19 күн бұрын

He really is snaddy… snake daddy. Sorry Rykard! Lol

@The_Saatik

18 күн бұрын

Are u fr?

@starlost1003

18 күн бұрын

@@The_Saatik YES 🙇‍♂️

Born with a body full of snek, mum takes your eye out and stuffs a seal in instead because you're full of snek, then she sends you off to the shadow realm. That's rough, buddy.

Idk how I'm supposed to take him seriously when hes gotta cute little winged scale puppy over his shoulder

@boxman7044

7 күн бұрын

Probably when it’s revealed it’s A PART OF HIS BODY

Always crazy to me how fromsoft bosses all look like they're on the verge of death but are still crazy strong

Phase 2 mesmer feels like miyazaki wanting to get back at everyone for cheesing their way out of having to deal with the shadows of yarnam snake phase.

this is so helpful for artists and those who likes him including me so thank you 😁🙌 he has an interesting and cool design, i thought i’d be disturbed but no i actually like it

Messmer is NOT dead. Rykard points out you can never kill a serpent.

@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw

22 күн бұрын

this! he shouldve came back as the secret final boss after radahn+miquella.

@milokonna

22 күн бұрын

But would the serpent regrow Mesmer too? Or the snake itself would regenerate without the guy?

@pibombbb1175

22 күн бұрын

Isn't the immortal serpent just the one serpent that ate Rykard? Pretty sure other snakes are normal

@jporob

22 күн бұрын

@@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw bruh get over it.

@Kropothead

22 күн бұрын

@@pibombbb1175Quote, “a serpent never dies.” He’s speaking generally, IMO.

Fan artists everywhere thanking you kindly 🙏 ❤️

Fromsoft missed the chance to put the strongest snake between his leg

@tampham2421

21 күн бұрын

They knew we'd be stripping them 🤣

@sned_dunes

19 күн бұрын

Ayo

@malefantasy2493

18 күн бұрын

💀💀

@dbean5174

17 күн бұрын

Huh 🤨 📸

@albertstrauss8287

17 күн бұрын

Messmer the “Impaler”

You gotta feel bad for the guy. Born as cursed, tricked into massacring his own people by his mother and then abandoned by that same mother after doing her dirty-work…

@kokocarillo9931

21 күн бұрын

Wait, the horned people are his people?

@VictorIV0310

21 күн бұрын

Incorrect. The denizens of the Land of Shadow, mainly the Hornsent, are not related to him or Marika. However, certain item descriptions imply that Marika ordered Messmer to enact a brutal genocide on the Hornsent after they persecuted her and her people, if the Shaman Village in the Hinterlands is any indication. After the ethnic cleansing, Messmer was ordered to lord over the Land of Shadow, bearing the brunt of its people’s hate on him instead of Marika.

@quangkhaipham

21 күн бұрын

Poor guy,he born blind and must seeing through the snake,he must stay in the dark (Like his room) and just go out when night (his dialog proved it)

@abereu8405

21 күн бұрын

@@VictorIV0310are you guys making that assumption from the gold tree spell

@AerixI

21 күн бұрын

@@VictorIV0310just curious what you mean by the shaman village, was in that area today and didn’t notice many story clues there

Damn, some of their best design work

hes soo sexy

@murderycatdoll1380

22 күн бұрын

Lol i actually think he is 😇😇

@WadeAlma

22 күн бұрын

Based

@TryinaD

19 күн бұрын

HE ISSSS. Honestly I’m just here for him lol

@joot9184

18 күн бұрын

ummmm bro got scoliosis, anorexia, is probably blind and tapeworms 😭😭

He looks like a Yoshitaka Amano or Ayami Kojima character.

@maximdecimus2258

22 күн бұрын

Amano drew some art of Elric of Melnibone who the Targaryens are based off.

Messmer is so handsome

@Gohan-Bestia

20 күн бұрын

I feel down for the state he is in. But his face is beautiful.

would

@WadeAlma

22 күн бұрын

Ladies/Gentlemen of exquisite taste.

His theme song is so good.

I could not describe in words how perfect this boss is but to put it simply, by the end of the fight my mind was numb, every expectation I had was *shattered* beautifully

no wonder he never seems to be standing upright, i never considered he had scoliosis (wether caused by the serpent or not) i just thought he was hunched over the whole time to be more menacing

Melina's twin, everyone. Likely the oldest sibling too, if the fact his spears are found on the Mountaintop of the Giants.

@goroakechi6126

22 күн бұрын

While he is likely the oldest, as Miquella and Malenia coming last would make the most sense, definitely not that far. Marika was married to Godfrey after or during the Mountaintops war.

@datzfatz2368

22 күн бұрын

Malenia was married to Godfrey??

@Psychx_

22 күн бұрын

@@datzfatz2368 Marika*

@eldendynast

22 күн бұрын

@@datzfatz2368 Malenia was married to Godefroy

@Goblinboyo162

22 күн бұрын

@@eldendynast …what? Where/when does the game say that?

Love how his right "eye" keeps twitching as it's not really an eye but a seal

Man thanks for the detailed look into his model, it’s a great reference

Elden Ring reminds me a bit about Second Apocalypse (a book series by R. Scott Bakker) : there too "gods" are actually aliens, weird constructs exist to mimic humans (akin to mimic tears) and one important character is a dude who has seven snakes on his shoulders as a badge of office (he's a cult leader and every member of that cult wears a living snake around his neck as his proof of faith. The leader wears 7 of them.)

@pumpy2728

22 күн бұрын

aliens=white poeple

I’ve been trying to draw him without a decent reference photo for days now, this is so helpful Thank you

One cool detail about Messmer is that in the cutscene where he plucks out his eye, before the camera cuts to black you can see that his pupil isn't actually slitted like a snakes, but is actually shaped like the effigy of Marika/Radagon crucified on the Elden Ring.

Messmer is a smash ngl

Haven’t finished the dlc yet but getting there and Messmer is my favorite boss they’ve ever made. He felt like a dark souls 3 boss, he was extremely fair. He has enough combos to make it interesting but gives you plenty of time to deal damage in between them and during the combos. The combo that they made his weapon art was so fucking fun to dodge

It shocked me how they just gave this lanky snake infested man one of the most handsome faces I’ve seen a boss have in game.

Stand up straight, Messmer. STAND UP 🗣🗣

Messmer is like the face of a model when you think of one

0:22 the golden cuff looks like a rolly at first glance lmaoo dripped out messmer

Thank you!!! (Great references for fan art)

Fantastic video, cant't wait to see the rest of the bosses and Promised Consort Radahn!

Mr. Aura himself

Spoiler for those curious; the snakes are a good thing and not a curse, they're there to help ease his suffering and seal away something called the "base serpent", one helmet, the winged serpent helmet, even refers to the snakes as "wise friends"

@Crombells

21 күн бұрын

At the same time, that could just be Golden Order propaganda Like, Marika tried to seal the serpent stuff away as best she could, but when that red snake with wings still sprouted out of Messmer she just went "I know how this looks, but this snake is totally less evil than the regular ones"

@redmijuara-un4ez

8 күн бұрын

Golden Order Propaganda? Sound like something i familiar that be Elden Ring Abridged​@@Crombells

officialy my favorite video on youtube, I use it when making fanarts.

Excuse my French but I FUCKING LOVE THIS BOSS

It's insane to me how we didn't get an altered version of his armor piece

bless you for arte references its gonna be grandiose

The weird thing about my playthrough was I spent the most time in Messmer’s Castle just exploring and throughout my entire playthrough he was the only boss I genuinely enjoyed fighting and saddest to see gone.

No other game will ever top the art direction and boss design of fromsoftware. As an artist, their works are just pure bliss and inspiration.