MESA/Boogie Tone Summit - John Petrucci/Doug West - Dream Theater Guitar Tones History
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John Petrucci has been using Mesa amplification for over 30 years, and Mesa amplifiers have been featured on nearly every Dream Theater album made. During a Tone Summit on November 14, 2016, John joined Mesa R & D Director, Doug West at the Guitar Sanctuary Performance Hall in McKinney, Texas for a night of discussion about tone, John’s Mesa signature amp - the JP-2C - and the amps behind the tones of various Dream Theater songs over the years.
John and Doug discuss approaches to dialing in sounds and some of the history behind the JP2C signature project, while John shares tracks from his library of Dream Theater sounds and then plays those riffs through his JP-2C rig for comparison.
It was a great night of stories, helpful hints, and Tone. Our thanks to John and his tech Maddi Schieferstein for taking the time for this event. Also, big thanks to Clint Franzen and George Fuller from the Guitar Sanctuary for hosting.
The guitar for this event was recorded with John Petrucci’s Signature Ernie Ball Music Man JP 16 six and seven string guitars into stereo JP2C heads and two Rectifier 4x12 Traditional cabinets. Mic’d with a Sennheiser 421 and a Beyer Dynamic 160 on one side and a AER AR22 and an SM57 on the other cab with a stereo pair of Earthworks QTC-50 Room mics blended in at 10% of the final mix.
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Here are the other two videos which are part of the same Tone Summit: MESA/Boogie Tone Summit: John Petrucci, Doug West and the JP-2C kzread.info/dash/bejne/gICtrNF9nrutZ6w.html MESA/Boogie Tone Summit: Doug West & John Petrucci - The Mesa R & D Process kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWl3uKyNocbgo7Q.html Thanks for watching!
@EL34
6 жыл бұрын
MESA/Boogie I LOVE watching these series. John is an amazing teacher when it comes to EQ philosophy. Any chance there was a segment where he talked about his tone from SFAM? Or was that all MarkIV era?
@mesaboogie
6 жыл бұрын
Glad you dig, EL34. What was included in this video was all that was included from the discussions of the various songs and albums... so that didn't get covered, sorry to say. Rock on!
@Scrambles2112
6 жыл бұрын
Uhh thanks for watching? Thanks for posting!!!
@joshgreenoguitar5733
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Boogie!
@FedericoMK
3 жыл бұрын
@@mesaboogie is there any chance that you will release the whole summit in its entirety?
I could watch hours of JP just testing boogies with his engineers as well.
10:37 "that's fuckin crushing right?' - JP 2018.
I’ve watched this video more times than I’m willing to admit.
his playing always puts a smile on my face
3:07 Pull Me Under 3:25 Riff of Metropolis 4:47 5:21 Don't use any reverb or compression, just the pure sound (only Guitar, cable, and amp) 9:41 Riff 14:30 Top Riff 15:53 16:34 Great riff I think John is a very humble guy.
I got to see this in person! was an absolutely amazing night.
The noise the person in the audience made at 10:34 was the most genuine, visceral reaction to that tone that we've all had at some point
the nicest guitarist in the industry.
Right after Doug said, "that sounded so thin" sarcastically, I had to go back and listen cause it was so huge even through my phone.
Caught in a web is one of the best riffs he's made
"not tuned the same, but" proceeds to crush it without thinking
I could watch this all day.
Awesome video. Cool to see the JP-2C doing all the other Boogie tones and to hear some iso guitar tracks. What a massive tone.
this video will be clicked on often.... the guitar sounds excellent coming thru the speakers on the tv, computer, etc. this is quite the eargasm! thanks mesa and john!
John petrucci: i need a new amp. Mesa: How many?
Mesa rules: I still have and play my original 1991 mark4 amp. It's done thousands of gigs and still sounds incredible now . Everyone is buying the latest thing but a boogie is for life. Change configurations on it and you have a new amp. Never gets old
So happy to have found a deal on used JP-2C! This will be my amp forever. This video doesn’t show up but the clean is great too!
His tone on Suspended animation is actually his best ever. It beats his Ibanez days.
Dear Mesa Thank you. Thank you so much for everything you do. you are truly here for your fans. I know your mission is to inspire musicians to play their best and I have to say, you have done exactly that. Words cannot describe how much you have inspired me to do my favorite thing in the whole world, and that's to play guitar. Thank you again. I cannot wait until I can budget for a JP-2C. It is, by far, the most prefect thing to allow the guitar to sound it's absolute best. You're my hero's.
@mesaboogie
6 жыл бұрын
Wow, Nick - thank you so much! This is an amazing comment and compliment - the finest we can get, actually, when you're told that you inspire people to create and play music. Just... thank you. And keep on rockin'. :) Cheers!
I don't know why I'm watching this. I'm not even a guitarist, this vid makes me want to learn playing guitar.
@sladehorne3849
6 жыл бұрын
Reyhan Vivaldi go for it
@reyhanvivaldi9597
6 жыл бұрын
And now, I have a guitar :D
@carlocandelora547
6 жыл бұрын
+Reyhan Vivaldi great, now learn it
Super badass amp MESA...greetings from the east coast
I wish this session is longer, I could watch him play and discuss the history for hours
John P is literally one of my favorite guitarists. He has so much room to brag; yet he doesn’t. He is an amazing guitarist
What a beautiful looking venue.
Very nice, thank you for sharing!
I’m saving my money for this AMP and GUITAR! Thank you Mesa boogie and Mr Petrucci.
Awesome video. Thanks for it.
what a sick guitar sound! AWESOME
This is my second time watchin this video, love Boogie amps man! I got a Mark V a couple years back and I swear that thing sounds better everyday!
@mesaboogie
6 жыл бұрын
This is awesome, Michael Taylor. Thanks for the kind words and hope the amp continues to serve well!
SO awesome guys,,i love all my mesa amps,,new and old!keep up the good work my mkv 25 is signed by randall and i love it,,such great tones and crunch,i play it more than my mkv big brother...PURE BOOGIE!!!!!!!
Having owned two Mark IVs over the years, when you guys simulated one, but with the tightness of the IIC+........WOW.
Anybody noticed he's using a music sheet stand turned 90 degrees as a table? lol
Finally guys, I've been waiting for this for too long!!!
@STRATOHOLICRichman
6 жыл бұрын
I feel like there's still a lot more here... please make these regular uploads of possible!! In love with my Rectos and Mark amps, the best amps ever.
@mesaboogie
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words, Strat-o-holic! Here are the other two videos which are part of the same Tone Summit: MESA/Boogie Tone Summit: John Petrucci, Doug West and the JP-2C kzread.info/dash/bejne/gICtrNF9nrutZ6w.html MESA/Boogie Tone Summit: Doug West & John Petrucci - The Mesa R & D Process kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWl3uKyNocbgo7Q.html Thanks for watching!
@STRATOHOLICRichman
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I had seen the R&D portion of the event but not sure if I was able to find the other part. Maybe you guys will consider releasing it as a full feature at some point and/or doing more like this with John. On a side note I'd like to find a gig bag for my Mark V 25 head and was wondering if the TA-30 bag would fit.
@mesaboogie
6 жыл бұрын
Hey There - I don't think a TA-30 bag will fit the Mark Five: 25. Ultimately, we'd suggest you contact Studio Slips to have them make you something that fits the amp perfectly: studioslips.com Thanks again for watching! :)
We need another John Petrucci album!!!
@IanMustafa
6 жыл бұрын
mosquitobrainsrg no. We need more songs in wimpy version
Great video! Epic!
@mesaboogie
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Mick! :)
Very cool. Hope it's a mini-series that you guys will be adding to.
@mesaboogie
6 жыл бұрын
Here are the other two videos which are part of the same Tone Summit: MESA/Boogie Tone Summit: John Petrucci, Doug West and the JP-2C kzread.info/dash/bejne/gICtrNF9nrutZ6w.html MESA/Boogie Tone Summit: Doug West & John Petrucci - The Mesa R & D Process kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWl3uKyNocbgo7Q.html Thanks for watching!
Ive watched this about twenty times. There is now a JP2C in my living room. People dont give Mesa enough credit for this incredible work of art. And yes...It is a real 2C+.
@cunjoz
3 жыл бұрын
would you recommend it over a mark V?
@5150forevermore
3 жыл бұрын
@@cunjoz 100% . There's a reason there are so many Mark 5s available for resale. JP2C is a much better amp all around imo. I have a Mark IV Revision A and the JP2C nails that classic 2C+ tone just fine.
@cunjoz
3 жыл бұрын
@@5150forevermore thanks pal. well, i better start saving so i can buy it in 10 years lol
@lewismcnicholas2631
3 жыл бұрын
Just ordered mine this week after the same amount of views!
@DustyBilbo
3 жыл бұрын
@@lewismcnicholas2631 How are you liking it?
Is it me or while we grow old we like more the midranges than before...?
@irmasil3
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I used to scoop mids to death, nowadays a bit less (Still scooped enough I guess, still pretty metal). But, I still go back to my Triaxis and occasionally just put everything to 10 and mids/bass=0. And then, you can play Justice for All like a MAN....lol!!!
@onurdonmez8181
5 жыл бұрын
%100 true..especially after learning how to use Presence
I’m not a huge fan of DT, at all, but I think John Petrucci is a super cool dude in addition to being a virtuoso musician! Great personality.
@TastyChevelle
5 жыл бұрын
You should be a fan of Dream Theater! All of the members are just as skilled and creative musicians as John but they all work together cohesively. That is why their music is some of the fucking craziest ever written and basically only they could ever play it.
I would've genuinely liked him to go into the tones for each album.
@claudespeed13579
2 жыл бұрын
Who wouldn't
15:59 It's funny how it forced me to bop with you guys as soon as it started. The song and tone are just killer!
"Here's the wimpy version" - 16:24. Brilliant!
@kionihernandez356
5 жыл бұрын
dude that riff was nasty! what song is that? heavy as 5 piggybacked elephants
@denisclc
4 жыл бұрын
Kioni Hernandez song is Behind the Veil
I would love to see Hetfied demonstrate
@jsullivan2112
2 жыл бұрын
@@rockapartie Yeah, the bulk of his sound came from other people tweaking everything, not him. Especially Fleming, obv.
Straight respect, JP is an amazing guitarist and so is his signature Mesa Boogie Amp! JPII C+ vs Mark IV rev A or B it’s impossible to tell which is better.
Great sound!!! John Petrucci is a fantastic guitarist!!! Is the best!!!!!
Always loved his Mark IV Tones, so pleased I own one
I’m a drummer.... why am I watching this? Oh yeah, JP is f’n awesome!
Just bought a Mark V last year...now I want a second one to play stereo...this thing is insane. It’s versatile, fat, loud and most important, the soundquality of the individual channels are equal to eachother. A lot of amps out there never are good in all channels...
JP one of a kind Guitarist...love him!
These boogies rock!
amazing
JP's downtuned stuff is really tasteful, what a master. And that palm muting is incredible, that amp is a beast.
It chugs! 🤘
Wish I could have been there!..just picked up my first Boogie!..a mark v 25..incredible amp!
@NuZTheRockerOFFICIAL
6 жыл бұрын
I have it too.. I couldn't be happier with the tones I got from that little thing.
@deanmlshredder
4 жыл бұрын
Damn right. One lunchbox head to rule them all and I would happily dive into a volcano after it.
Tommorow im going and pick one up i cant wait.
@brendenrodgers7821
6 ай бұрын
Enjoy. It’s one of the greatest amps on the market. Tough to dial in but once it’s dialed holy is it insane
Such a nice guy
John is awesome
Best sounding amp i've heard in a while. Of course those amazing riffs by Mr Petrucci help a LOT.
This is actually better than a current DT full-band live show.
Best video!
John's majesty and mesa. so heavy
Would love a new JP solo album
Awesome
Nice.... The amp sounds awesome...
JP has sold a LOT of MB amps.
I keep coming back to watch this video again and again, and I can't tell if it's helping hold off the GAS for a JP-2C while I raise the money for one, or if it just makes me want it even more!
@mackmayhem9878
5 жыл бұрын
Im literally doing the same thing. Im trying to decide whether i should buy a Mark V, a JP2C or even an old Mark IV. Fuck.
Any chance you'd release the entire Tone Summit? I'm sure that others like myself would be willing to pay for that. Throw it all in - warts and all.
Petrucci is the man...
Now we just need Ernie Ball to release a JP signature guitar with the Picasso art that his old JPM100 had. As much as I love my Mystic JP6, the visual identity of the picasso art is a part of DT history!
@thesphericalguy9018
6 жыл бұрын
Or even better, John can switch to Ibanez again! It's time for a change haha. Love those old tones, much clearer.
@merqury5
6 жыл бұрын
Just even a tiny Picasso woulda been a super cool nod to where it started.
@xGshikamaru
6 жыл бұрын
TheSphericalGuy bring back the RG2027X and the piezo edge pro 7 😍
@Rick5150
3 ай бұрын
Id love that. I think they could do something similar but Ibanez owns that artwork as it's not an actual "Picasso" but rather just in the style. You probably knew that, but I've often felt the same way that another abstract art guitar would be great for Petrucci!
boogie real got this amp right all in,wow have to get one john and boogie hit this out of the park words don't do it its the best demo ever besides the meyer sound msl4 demo at namm there both epic
Just saw John for the first time last night
@theBloodwolf13
6 жыл бұрын
Peter Nichols he was good. He played with his blues band. They were pretty good. He's definitely not as showy and Joe and John but still a good set
great amp ! gosh
I need one of these
MY IDOL ETERNITY!
Turn on Captions at 7:59 [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] Even ghosts enjoy John's music!
What would be awesome is if he brought out the old Ibanez seven-string from the Awake era to do a compare and contrast.
@BigDaddy-nt6yc
4 жыл бұрын
Musicman for the landslide win.
Well I'm getting my Mark 5/25 tomorrow and I only hope that I can get close to that sound. It's f.....g amazing
@AlexTomasi
6 жыл бұрын
yes you can, i've the 35w , check on the jp page it use a 25 in backstage and you can see pictures of what are theyr settings ! ;)
5:57 Wowwwww❤❤
Doug West is a genius!
Doug said that the Mk IV can't sound like a IIC+/JP2C, but according to the manual of the IV there is a setting that literally says that it will sound like a IIC+...who do I believe?
@thechannelforeverything2170
3 жыл бұрын
He's saying that the Mark IV can't feel like the 2C+ due to the massive transformer that is in the JP2C.
@themaggot8
3 жыл бұрын
@@thechannelforeverything2170 he's literally saying that you can't mimic que sound of the IIC+/JP2C with the IV
Man I wish there were some tone settings available from this.
Why hasn’t the Mark III ever been reissued? The II has had bits and pieces in the IV, V and now the JP2C. I’d looooooove to see the III.
You know, I never noticed the difference in attack on the IV vs the IIC+ until they pointed it out. For the context of DT I always slightly preferred the EQ of the IV but the tone of the IIC+ is superior in general.
Hey Boogie, I am planning on getting the Mark V because I am in love with the chunck and definition of the Mark llc+. Does this amp replicate that tone well? I've heard it on youtube, but that comes thru to my Mackies and is miced from your source. The question better answered - Does the tone that John Petrucci get out of the Mark V in the video in 2010 accurate in a live application? IOW: Does the Mark V live sound resemble the tone he got in the video, Mark IIc+ish? I ask cause I can't afford the JP-2c. And I know he played a V a while back and got that killer bone shimmering tone. I play percussively and fairly fast. I actually love the Rectifier's Whining Grind about the same as the c+, but it's a little too wide of a dynamic range and alot of gritty for the speed. Thanx, Mesa, later, Jason
@mesaboogie
6 жыл бұрын
Great questions, Jason. The reason we did the 2010 Mark vs original C+ video was to show how close the two amps actually are to one another. We didn't get insanely scientific to make sure that the pot values were all matched by setting them with a meter instead of just looking at them... or changing tubes to make sure they were exactly the same, etc... Because... THE TONE IS LITERALLY IN THERE! :) There are lots of different versions of C+ out there, and there are plenty of things that can be different from one amp to the next, but you might ask yourself, who would be the most qualified to decide what parts and circuits need to be employed to be able to say this sound is a C+? And who has skin in the game to deliver on that call? The Mark V delivers a C+ sound that reflects THE C+ preamp and a Simul-Class power amp, and it does it in spades. THEN... you have eight other modes to explore and enjoy. The Mark V is an insane amp for those who are into an amp with that much to offer, it delivers on the tones and then offers up a bunch of other amazing stuff like a legit Mark I tone, Lone Star AND Mark style cleans, A killer Tweed mode, (which on 10 watts and gain cranked with humbeucker is an insane Indy rock sound). Killer Brit sounds in Edge and Crunch (play these modes LOUD). Anyway - JP2C is a BEAST of an amp. Mark V is slightly less beastly in terms of punch compared to the JP2C, but only because it's Simul-class power section and not pure Class A/B like the JP2C. Bottom line - Mark IIC+ mode in the Mark V is legit. And all the other stuff in a Mark V is gravy after that if you really want to have the C+ thing on hand. Let us know what you think and good luck in your search! :)
@L.J.S.P.
6 жыл бұрын
Gotcha, wonderful, I look forward to my purchase! Honestly, none of your amps have let me down with their tone! Thanx, man, Jason.
I wish i could like this more than once
Unbelievable......Petrucci is undoubtedly the best guitar player Ever👍
In this season,, JP looks a humble man ;)
@hectoreduardofuentealbapel7830
5 жыл бұрын
I've seen another videos and is humble! There was one at Sweetwater and man, was talking with a guitar tech like friends!
@davidcrawfordkeintjem3919
5 жыл бұрын
Héctor Eduardo Fuentealba Pelayo yeah... that's right...
16:00 That moment when everyone including yourself does it in synchronization
SCOOPED
Hey Mesa, Could you please say something about the Nunya preamp?
im sooo glad I found a mark 2C+ from 1984... sooo terribly lucky; brilliant amp... and who would pass on one with a road case for a measly $300!... I had to do several repairs starting with removing animal urine from the grill cloth; removing several decades of dust; a complete cap job (11 capacitors) and new set of sliders all bought from mesa... eventually, and hopefully M Bendinelli as his initials are all over it, the the folks at boogie will graciously revisit the amp , and go through the circuit for any and all components that are "out of spec"... according to them perhaps now less than $200 as I have done a lot of the typical "tune up" issues... best amp I own regardless of the price! jp
so the 2x12 cab? are lonestar with the JP2c+ limited " customization ? or are new cabs for the mark series?
@mesaboogie
6 жыл бұрын
Great question, Alex - That was indeed a Lone Star 2x12 with a matching stained maple front panel and inlaid Boogie panel to pair with a JP-2C limited head. Thanks for watching and good eye! :)
White amp+cabin looks great. Can you please give us the name of colors (cabinet, front panel, grille, piping, corners, handle) for custom white amp+cabin that is in the left. Thanks.
Doug rockin' the Cholo Jeans!
o melhor guitarrista do mundo John Petrucci incrível
When he plays the example of As I Am from Train of Thought, he adjusts settings on two amps. Question: Is JP using his JP2C, and then for each example also playing through a Rectifier, Roadking, actual Mark IIC+, Mark IV, and Mark V for comparison to his JP2C?
@mesaboogie
6 жыл бұрын
Hey Kevin - when playing in this video, he is only playing the JP2C. Thanks for watching. :)
@dera641
6 жыл бұрын
He is using 2 jp2c amps which are in stereo!
which cabs are being played thru...as in recto cab or ?
I've love one of these but $3700 for an amp head is crazy money. :(
Want this amp so bad but I’ve got a mark v 25 on the way. Close enough right? Mark series amps are just incredible.
@deanmlshredder
4 жыл бұрын
How do you like it? I've never had owned an amp that did everything I needed it to without help. The 5:25 is my holy grail. I run it through a 4x12 and it murders my 100w Blackstar and 200w Randall. Just wish it had separate clean and crunch. Gonna need a jp2c I suppose. Time to sell my harley.
@ironwolg
4 жыл бұрын
Vinnie Conklin I’m actually in the same boat haha the 5:25 does everything I need on its own except have a third channel for leads/crunch.