After decades of 'The FIA has inspected the FIA and found the FIA is not at fault', I think we need a new external judicial body to oversee the FIA on these matters such as these.

@groundedgaming

10 ай бұрын

That's the maFIA!

@christiansimmons630

10 ай бұрын

Isn’t that what the World Motorsport Council is for?

@Kraken-hz7cx

10 ай бұрын

@@christiansimmons630 the world motorsport council is a group the creates the rules and regulations for motorsports. it doesnt intervene in legal matters

@therealf.b.i9468

10 ай бұрын

They won't allow that due to corruption inside the FiA it self

@madeovstarstuff

10 ай бұрын

​@@groundedgamingAD21😢

It’s pretty ironic that those “terrible” Pirelli tires were what made the seasons in 2011, 2012, and the first half of 2013 so much more exciting than in recent years. There were a large variety of strategies throughout the teams due to the unpredictability of those tires, and there were some proper racing from the front to the back.

@daarom3472

10 ай бұрын

there is proper racing now as well from front to back. It's just Max that is the anomaly atm. That being said I would like there to be some more rules around forced pit stops, maybe force teams to run every compound every race or something!

@trappenweisseguy27

10 ай бұрын

Pirelli were making tires with wear rates that the FIA were asking for and getting pilloried for doing so 🤷‍♂️. I felt sorry for them back then was waiting for them to quit the sport as they were getting literally nothing out of F1.

@ruubvanhulst7309

10 ай бұрын

And remember the awesome 2012 season where the first 7 races got 7 different winners. We could only dream of that!

@someoneunseen5168

10 ай бұрын

I want to see racing. Not a tyre management championship.

@JustSomeDinosaurPerson

10 ай бұрын

It didn't just have to do with the Pirelli tyres though. Multiple teams produced competitive cars in the V8 era. The turbo hybrid era has just been a one team swan song for the most part.

Having a contract that says "each competitor... shall be invited" and inviting only one team seems like some BS to me. Since it says "up to 1000km ... at the provider's request" later on there probably is room to lawyer around it, but it still seems like there's a clear intent of relatively fair access to additional testing (that does seem like it screws over a new team). Either the test needed to have more teams and share more stuff, or the run plan should have required older cars.

@brandonstevens4513

10 ай бұрын

Only letting some teams participate in the test, but not all... sounds familiar, no? Oh wait that's right. The rule in Abu Dhabi where Masi let only some cars through, but not all. I wonder if that day the FIA, was like, let's make up for screwing this one up. Feels like the those making decisions on these sorts of things haven't improved in 10 years. Maybe the FIA should have someone who's primary language is English discuss the implications of critical decisions before they're made so it's not an issue later?

@BType13X2

10 ай бұрын

@@brandonstevens4513 What does that have to do with the price of fish. Abu Dhabi has the benefit of taking place during an actual race with limited time to make a decision. This test had no ticking clock on it, there was plenty of time to go about it the correct way. Instead they went about it in the worst way possible. This wasn't some sort of effort to make right a wrong that happened a decade ago it is its own brand of stupidity. Being clear here I do not necessarily agree with Abu Dhabi but I am sick and tired of it being brought up when discussing completely unrelated matters.

@darrenjohn8524

10 ай бұрын

​@@BType13X2Cult Lh are permanently stuck in 2021🤣

@jeffsteyn7174

10 ай бұрын

Shall doesn't mean all 😂

@Slaeowulf

10 ай бұрын

@@darrenjohn8524 I mean everyone but Crashtappen fangirls agree it was rigged. And I say that as an Aussie.

A tyre test with current spec machinery, with no other team either invited, nor aware of the test even happening. This stank to high heaven of corrupt orchestration

@christiansimmons630

10 ай бұрын

None of which was on Mercedes though. I really can’t see how they’re at fault for any of this. Had it been Ferrari or Red Bull the situation would’ve been exactly the same This just shows massive failings on behalf of the FIA and Pirelli

@andrewa9700

10 ай бұрын

@@christiansimmons630 You're right it wasn't a current spec, it was a version of the car that was being brought to race later that season which is even more suspect.

@christiansimmons630

10 ай бұрын

@@andrewa9700 again, that’s a problem for the FIA who cleared the cad for use 🤷🏼‍♂️ every other team would’ve done the same - again against the spirit of sport but that doesn’t exist

@soltnpeppah2331

10 ай бұрын

its like being the only team who cheats the budget cap and gets away with it while claiming the were wronged LOL

@andrewa9700

10 ай бұрын

@@christiansimmons630 Oh really, they all would? Because the video literally mentioned that Ferrari ran an older spec car in a tire test that only they were doing... 8:30

Mercedes controversy for both engine and tires. Ferrari with the fuel sensor and RB with the budgetcap. People nowadays are quick to forget top teams literally will do anything to win. Thanks for this upload reminding everyone that all top teams do anything in their power to get an advantage

@andredanieldasilvaleite3672

10 ай бұрын

Problem is Ferrari got punished for it, Redbull too, to a certain degree

@thepolishnz

9 ай бұрын

@@andredanieldasilvaleite3672 and merc got the most dominant period in f1 history since him clark

@J.R377

9 ай бұрын

@@andredanieldasilvaleite3672you bring home the exact point of the original comment… every fkn team cheats, is busted and sometimes punished sometimes not, the mistreats level out over time. What pisses me off is the attitude sone teams and drivers bring to the grid positioning themselves as the truly deserving and always fair playing hailsbringer

This was a very pleasant watch. Something that’s never talked about but was huge at the time, especially that in 2013 Mercedes was a qualifying beast but race pace turtle, the rumours and controversy around all this was fantastic back then aha! Thanks for making a video about it. P.S: next video idea could be the Monaco 2014 (I think) GP when Rosberg “mistakenly” missed his braking point before the hairpin corner etc, fascinating stories imo

@kls2020

10 ай бұрын

From what I remember Mercedes cars were very hard on their tyres before this secret test but then after the test the new tyres worked perfect for Mercedes but now all of the other teams on the grid couldn't seem to get any heat in their new tyres.

They even use other race numbers on the cars. 😂 scandal 1000%!

@adsadsaddFQ

10 ай бұрын

😂

@Andrew-rd4ig

10 ай бұрын

😂

@andrewa9700

10 ай бұрын

Also wtf does security have to do with the decision to wear their normal painted helmet 😂

@JohanBuilds

10 ай бұрын

Maybe ask @wtf1 channel for a video on this 😂😂

@DoMw94

10 ай бұрын

Other? No, Mercedes ran #9 and #10 in 2013. This was before the permanent driver numbers were introduced

2013 could have been so more. Still doesn't takes away anything from Seb but would've been cool if Kimi with all his 2nd places and maybe one, two more victories could fight for the title. And ruin the Lotus-Renault team even more financially. The livery of these cars were awesome by the way

@ForzaPolska06

10 ай бұрын

It wouldn't have ruimed them anymore Kimi wasn't chasing that money they owed to him

@silviuandrei4207

10 ай бұрын

He couldn't get more money out of them, maybe he would have been awarded some of their assets in a trial

@potatogirlcultist19

10 ай бұрын

@@silviuandrei4207 Wait, so your saying in an alternate universe where Pirelli never changed the construction of the tyres, Kimi wins the World Championship and reforms ICE1 Racing from the ashes of Lotus to challenge for the championship in 2014?

This is exactly the kind of content I love and want more from you guys, history in general is so intriguing to me as a drive to survive baby, but add in some drama and its 10/10

I do remember the tyre blowouts and only vaguely remember this controversy. Thank you for this video on the topic with more detail than I think I ever got.

If Mercedes still had Ross Brawn in 2021 they would have walked away with that championship. He reads the rule book inside and out.

Great Summer break video. I had forgotten this thing happened. Probably explains well why it hasn’t happened since.

"Im sure developing an engine so early and secret testing of tires have done absolutely nothing to 2014 regulations change!!! Can't wait to see them struggle for points in the next era!!" ~noone, never

@matthewkenyon-wimbush6151

10 ай бұрын

Actually they barely had their engine ready by the start of the 2014 season look it up it was quite a shitshow

@bhargavpavuluri3118

10 ай бұрын

​@@matthewkenyon-wimbush6151Yeah they barely had the engine ready so that their customers jumped up the grid even with poor AERO

@troll_486

10 ай бұрын

reliability doesn't mean performance bro and even then, the rumour was they were cruising on Lean mix [1] for entire season

@Jay-nk6dm

10 ай бұрын

2011 all teams agreed to the new hybrid rules. 2011 all teams agreed to delay the new engines from 2013 to 2014. Mercedes decided to start the engine program early and divert resources from current gen cars. Any one else could have done this, but nobody had the foresight to do. thats not mercedes fault you clown

@bhargavpavuluri3118

10 ай бұрын

@@troll_486 Really. I didn't know. Explain to me How many DNFs Williams as in 2014 due to power unit problems. They finished 3rd with a chassis that wouldn't even be in top 5 with same power unit. How did you jump up from the bottom half to the top half? Once other Engines caught up by 2017 they were relegated once again to the bottom half. I commend the Mercedes foresight and commitment to develop a dominant PU package for a regulation change. But they always were shady especially when it comes to Pirelli.

GREAT piece of content, good job guys.

Merc fans are awfully quiet about this when they bring up the 400k catering bill.

@soltnpeppah2331

10 ай бұрын

1,8 million cheese burger bill because 1,8 million was used on car performance for super max who was so super he couldn't catch granpa hamilton with and downgraded w11. 8 consecutive title cope with it LOL

@CrusaderAce24

10 ай бұрын

I'm not sure what else should Merc have done considering they were inviting by Pirelli with approval from the FIA themselves. Red Bull fans are the funniest of the lot

@mikey380sx

10 ай бұрын

@@soltnpeppah2331you must be fun at parties

@vitreo1363

10 ай бұрын

I missed where the FIA gave Red Bull permission to spend 1.8m before the other teams…

@hectornecromancer5308

10 ай бұрын

@@vitreo1363 they got wind tunnel testing time reduced further more for breaking the cost cap tho

I think any testing should be done by the worst teams.

@Erfa02

10 ай бұрын

No caus that gives a bad reflection of the tiers, the better teams has better card for the most and can keep life in tyers better. Think how bad haas keep life in the tyers, Then pirelli Maybe think the tyers are bad. But in fact it was just the haas car

@dustindkaimilroy9724

10 ай бұрын

@@Erfa02 thats why it should be done with multiple teams front and back to give an accurate representation of the tiers

@yqzu

10 ай бұрын

@@dustindkaimilroy9724 exactly

@ihsanjayadi88

10 ай бұрын

@@dustindkaimilroy9724no, it would give a skewed result. The bad characteristic of backmarker cars should not be a part of the tyre construction.

This tyre test was just the cherry on top of Mercedes three year head start on hybrid PU development.

@rush8481

10 ай бұрын

Explain their 3 year head start and I'll happily unravel whatever you can come up with. Carry on...

@2005StangMan

10 ай бұрын

@@rush8481for real. That's such a nonsense line of thought. Everyone had the same insights as to which direction the FIA were going to go with new regs. Merc just tried a different design than everyone else and it worked very well. They tried the same with zero-pods and it didn't. There's no guarantee in motor racing design.

@Ruylopez778

9 ай бұрын

@@rush8481 Sam Bird stated on BBC Five Live that Merc were exclusively supplying sim data to the FIA in 2010, and could "steer the regulations to suit their powertrain". But I suspect you have excuse about what that doesn't count. It is commonly known that Merc had a working ICE cylinder on the dyno before the regulations were even finalised, isn't it? And that although they had to modify that design to comply with the regulations, it was actually an overall benefit in their development. And they also were continuously working with McLaren on the KERS system, and applied that data to the hybrid PU. I don't think Merc and HPP are as squeaky clean as they like to claim.

@-natsukashii2727

9 ай бұрын

@@rush8481 where the unraveling at?

@alexlacl8730

8 ай бұрын

​​@@Ruylopez778You just can blame Ferrari and Renault for bottling their veto about the PU hybrid development Mercedes legally started earlier than anyone on the I4 engine regulations and hybrid v6 aswell

This story sounds like something out of the 80s that would make an appearance on BBV10s. Great video Ed

Hewis Lamilton and Rico Nosberg

I remember this breaking at the time & I was stunned that Mercedes got away with this, clearly an advantage was gained by Mercedes.

@SantosOverlord

10 ай бұрын

likely, but it doesnt really look like it was their fault so they couldnt get punished, both FIA and Pirrelli screwed up

@christiansimmons630

10 ай бұрын

What advantage did they get? 🤔 the 2013 tyres they tested where withdrawn from use just a few of races later because they kept falling apart when a stiff breeze hit them Mercedes where banned from the young driver test that allowed them to evaluate the replacement tyres to be used for the rest of the season - so they were actually disadvantaged compared to every other team

@ChristopherBuenviaje

10 ай бұрын

@@christiansimmons630 That was 1000kms on the current spec car which in season was banned for years prior. That's always an advantage. However you spin in Mercedes cheated and the punishment they got was very weak.

@christiansimmons630

10 ай бұрын

@@ChristopherBuenviaje nope wrong. Pirelli asked for the 2013 car and the FIA gave the green light. You cannot blame them for that

@robfer5370

10 ай бұрын

"Mercedes got away with this" What are you on about it was PIRELLI running the test not Merc!! The ones at fault are the FIA and Pirelli!!! Merc were merely invited to take part in the test.

It’s bloody lucky 95% of Merc’s current fans weren’t watching F1 in 2013, otherwise they’d have been mortified.

@iamumair666

10 ай бұрын

By what?

@CCH5

10 ай бұрын

Were YOU watching in 2013?

@isaacm2374

10 ай бұрын

Seeing as most Mercedes fans are Lewis fans that have moved over from McLaren I think most have followed the sport a lot longer than other fanbases.

@soltnpeppah2331

10 ай бұрын

Source: trust me bro

@arnoldmbuthia2687

10 ай бұрын

don't be weird. this is a normal day at f1.

The person in the seat was actually the og stig from old top gear

Great story, well told.

Fascinating stuff. I have zero recollection of this going down at the time but it sounds like classic F1 through and through.

I saw the title and though "lol they've done it again!" only to realise it was a recap when I saw the thumbnail.

Great summary

Thanks for the content, as always !

@WeAreTheRace

10 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@joineralbert2493

10 ай бұрын

​​@@WeAreTheRacethere are loads of people thanking you , they get no reply , must be the €2...........

@bastiaanw

9 ай бұрын

@@joineralbert2493 Obviously it's the 2 euros. You want them to reply to every single comment? Imagine that.

gota love the drama behind the scenes at f1, always somthing new to talk about

I swear, some people saw the title and proceed to comment about their feelings and emotions to the whole world and didn't watch the whole video at all

A polite suggestion: I would consider using a de-esser on your next video. All S and T sound very harsh.

Maybe this created a special relationship between Pirelli and Mercedes that was the base of the in season 2021 tyrechange that benefitted Mercedes bigtime. Its also funny Ferrari and Mercedes are complaining that much about Redbulls penalty afer both having such a lenient punishment after this tyretest and the illigal fuelflow scandals.

@thepolishnz

9 ай бұрын

Fia always protects the income. That's why they always protect the top team and Ferrari. Mainly because they buckle when Ferrari threatens to leave if it doesn't get it's way. Like Ferrari would. They need f1 more than f1 needs them

@freds7790

9 ай бұрын

and how could they get a 3 year head start with the hybrid engine on the rest of the teams ? and what about the flexing front wing in 2020 ? etc etc

Omg let’s go! I love the race putting their resources and Ed’s voice to history projects like this

And merc fanboys cry about 200k spent by rb last year huhhh hypocrites

@Sam-te9sj

10 ай бұрын

Tell us you didn't watch the video without telling us you didn't watch the video lol

I was so confused, I thought I clicked on a link from 10 years ago.

I don't understand why they only would have run testing with one car. It seems they should have put out an all call and had testing done at the end of a race weekend with a car from each of the teams.

@MrWimbomahadi

10 ай бұрын

logistic, then the tires itself, make multiple tires for entire or half the grid need time. it already stated in the video, invite the entire teams would posponed the test by months

@Bananektdu

9 ай бұрын

Ok, so they have a 1000 kilometers per yer, this is about 6 to 8 hours of driving, depending on the track, for ONE car only. Do you see the issue now? Make it 10 cars, 1 for each team (or 11, or whatever the amount was in 2013, crazy year). That years spanish gp had 66 laps, 307.024 km (190.826 miles). If you allowed 10 cars to run, they would have like 20-25 mins each.

They even use other race numbers on the cars. scandal 1000%!. GREAT piece of content, good job guys..

The same compound tires, carried on until 2014 to 2016. IF I am NOT mistaken?

Another classic from Edd. The story telling from you lot is better than your race by race updated on race weekends.

love the story 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Oh, what a coincidence. This happened and then 2014... From 4th team to absolute domination

@Heathen.Deity.

10 ай бұрын

Except 2013-2014 were completely different specs, from a wholly different engine configuration outwards. Nice try though.

@guidopetruolo7524

10 ай бұрын

For sure! Then tire management did not matter in 2014 because of the hybrid engines?? Come on. Mercedes was an amazing team with extremely capable personel and significant resources to get those regulations perfectly. But they also had some nice advantages

@Heathen.Deity.

10 ай бұрын

@@guidopetruolo7524 they didn’t test any aspect of the 2014 car. It was a 2013 car, thus very different to the following year’s car. You’re grasping at straws.

@wikuskruger21

10 ай бұрын

I wanted to call it out also. So in 2014 Mercedes dominated. Surely some results and data where shared to have their 2014 car built around what they learned in those tests....

@unfortunately_fortunate2000

10 ай бұрын

Mercedes had played a rather pivotal role in helping to shape the turbo hybrid regs we saw from 2014-2016, one sketchy tire test does not make a championship dominating team.

That Ferrari quote is hilarious given what happened with their "oil drip" engine a few years later

@JacobFBG

10 ай бұрын

They weren't proved to have broken any rules though. They can't be punished for something they technically didn't do?

@dylanburston7453

10 ай бұрын

@@JacobFBG And they punished far more for something that couldnt be proved. The 2020 PU was down roughly 60 HP or so, and it completely screwed Ferraris concept up and destroyed Hass and Alfa in the process. The 2021 Ferrari was faster at most tracks despite the reduced downforce from the cut floor, the only team to do so, and it was the same chassis

@JacobFBG

10 ай бұрын

@@dylanburston7453 Well yeah in that way they were technically punished. The FIA implemented a new fuel flow sensor which made it impossible for Ferrari to continue without clearly breaking the rules. My points is that they weren't directly punished.

@enzoardente4474

10 ай бұрын

​@@JacobFBGAlthough the FIA didn't catch Ferrari doing anything explicitly wrong they were still very suspicious of Ferrari and had some idea of what Ferrari was doing. It's no coincidence that Ferrari immediately lost pace after the technical directive the FIA issued afterwards.

@JacobFBG

10 ай бұрын

@@enzoardente4474 They definitely knew what they were doing, they just weren't able to prove it.

What watch is he wearing at 0:30 ?

If it wasnt in bad faith then 1. Why did the drivers wear black helmet 2. Why the numbering on the car changed 3. Why didnt merc or pirelli disclose this to the team 4. Why was it kept under wraps And people cry when rb went 200k above budget. Hypocrisy

@isaacm2374

10 ай бұрын

Mercedes didn't gain any advantage from the testing. They were there to help Pirelli and the sport.

@dahorn100011

10 ай бұрын

Because red bull actually broke the cost cap rules...

@Neutralino

10 ай бұрын

@@isaacm2374They clearly did gain an advantage from the test.

@TMWT

10 ай бұрын

Comparing this insignificant tyre test to going over budget in a cost cap era, these DTS fan takes are funny

@Dave-qn9dj

10 ай бұрын

2.2mil

This is why Mercedes can't point the finger at Red Bull these days... this was the beginning of a dominant era for Mercedes. Ignorance does not imply innocence.

@micknaughty

9 ай бұрын

Yea a tyre test wasnt the start of that. It was adapting to the regs better. Clearly they could have had any time and still did what they did.

I like these videos looking back on events.

Good - more or less - indepth video/item. This was more or less put to the back of my head. But once halfway I recognized some stuff. A big issue back then.

But, but, but, cost cap breach!!!! -Merc Fans 😂

@deadmarch101

9 ай бұрын

Didn’t win them 3 championships😂

It’s been ten years? God, I feel old now. 😂

Maybe design for midfield cars to raise the grid up instead of picking the frontrunner to help them keep gaining on everyone else?

Great story, well told.. They even use other race numbers on the cars. scandal 1000%!.

Merc played politics and lobbied the FIA to selected the hybrid engine regulations which they already had a engine for. The last 2 years is what happens when merc doesnt get a 3 year head start on the regulations. Hopefully they can catch up so we can get some exciting races.

@alexlacl8730

8 ай бұрын

Lmao that's blatant lies. It was Renault group and Ferrari especially Di Montezemelo who pushed it

Horner looks so young, damn.

This is why mercedes is suddenly competitive in 2013

@alexlacl8730

8 ай бұрын

They were not. They were slower than Lotus and Ferrari

The start of the 2013 season was so promising, but screw ups by Pirelli wrecked the season and gave Red Bull a huge advantage.

@titancheat

10 ай бұрын

Vettel ☝️

@fix0the0spade

10 ай бұрын

F1 told Pirelli to make tyres that lasted no more than 1/3rd of the race, had heavier steel belts to aid traction (less likely to spin up under power) and have a higher optimal temperature so the compounds offered more grip and faster. Pirelli did all of those things, but also set minimum safe pressures and maximum safe camber angles, which the teams proceded to ignore completely. The end result was complete chaos and Pirelli rightly took a lot of heat for it, but I always thought the teams and FIA didn't take enough of the blame for the situation. Pirelli ultimately built the tyres they were asked to build, it was the teams that used them in a dangerous way and the FIA that didn't stop them. Since then Pirelli have been far more assertive in how the tyres were designed, built and used, to the point of minimum pressures and max camber angle being enforced in the rules now.

@MoptopTofer

10 ай бұрын

@@andrewa9700 Hardly, Pirelli were always updating the tire construction and Mercedes' domination was much more down to them nailing the regulations.

@soltnpeppah2331

10 ай бұрын

@@andrewa9700 becaues in case netflix didnt explain to you the following year were new regulation mostly about the engine where Mercedes excelled and redbull sucked because they re an energy drinks company who relied on renault

@andrewa9700

10 ай бұрын

​@@MoptopTofer 9:45 It's like you ignore the fact the merc got an engineering report from Pirelli on that tire test. Only them... A lot easier to nail it because you have data all the other teams don't. Also if you outspend everyone by miles you're gonna build a winner. The RB and Merc teams invented the cost cap era

WHAT??? Mercedes being shady?? They would never do anything like that

@Md.WasiHasan

10 ай бұрын

Bruh Mercedes was always shady

@justliech3948

10 ай бұрын

@@Md.WasiHasan mate, it was supposed to be irony

@soltnpeppah2331

10 ай бұрын

Kinda like redbull although mercedes doesnt claim they are being wronged due to British bias LOL

@TMWT

10 ай бұрын

Pirelli chose Mercedes, not the other way around lol

@garbage2882

10 ай бұрын

@@soltnpeppah2331 how is Redbull shady? Mercedes in 2020 intoduced DAS, no one even knew about it until they saw the onboards, isn't that shady?

The moment the lawyer said "we can take the position" tells me that they were talking about how can they spin this.

"It is somewhat perplexing to say the least to see that the guilty party can get away virtually scot free for having derived 'an unfair sporting advantage' " Ironic coming from Ferrari after 2019....

@unthenner5519

10 ай бұрын

That’s not how irony works

Meanwhile Mclaren, Williams, Alpine, Alphatauri, Haas and Aston Martin: 🍿🍿🍿🍿

I was in Spa on Tuesday after the race. I now that McLaren and Aston Martin where performing tire testing. But i also saw Mercedes running on the track. Does anybody know why they where running on track that day?

Y Mercedes y Hamilton dicen que ellos nunca hacen nada malo para ganar ventaja sobre los demas y que son unos santitos,.. La corrupcion de la FIA con Mercedes,...

Almost forgotten

It's amazing how in each teams Era of domince there some sort of illegal thing red bull over spend merc tires Ferrari team orders McLarens engine/drivers

I took a shot everytime he said test.. annd naow eye cann't stan up or tepe right!

This would be the last time in the history of F1 that confusion between “each” and “all” would lead to controversy.

Conveniently forgot to include in this video Lewis Hamilton's tweet saying he was at Disneyland..

Yeah, yeah, just another Mercedes x Pirelli inside deal, nothing new. Very likely not the only time Mercedes interpreted the rules in their own way or actually managed to change the rules in their favor.

I hate how everything in Formula 1 is about researching new technologies and ways but the tyres are made to fail at some point basically...

The tyres are still just joke because they *must* be designed to detoriate very rapidly. For example, the soft tyre has predefined endurace and it must detoriate no matter how cleanly the driver can drive. It would be much better if tyres could be as good as the manufacturer can make them.

Now do a video on the mercades influence over the turbo hybrid engines

I think we need more tire deg to make racing more competitive.

@BDeLuca4444

8 ай бұрын

I agree. I always like good tire deg for racing in all series. Maybe not to the extremes like a Richmond, but the recent race at Kansas, or Bristol showed a good balance of Tire Deg that can bring strategy and increase potential for passing opportunities. Big difference there compared to the likes of Pocono for example, since Pocono has very little tire wear and very little passing after restarts due to dirty air and little tire offset in current regs. For F1 I think two stop or more races tend to go better because this does indicate tires will wear regardless of compound, and it does lead to more strategy potential, maybe some teams go for 1 stop tire conservation strat, maybe 3 stop aggressive strat. Maybe the type of tires they use or the order they use is more diverse throughout the field. Considering it is still difficult to follow in the current regs, having good tire wear is another variable that is part of the race which can set drivers/cars apart. It's why we have battles between Merc, Ferrari and McLaren right now because while Ferrari and McLaren seem to have the qualifying edge, Merc has better tire life and will battle them in the races more often than not. I think as long as Pirelli doesn't have a repeat of Baku 2021, I think they have a good balance of tires right now and does lead to differing strategies, and does make up for the inability to follow in dirty air.

Ah yes the early 2010s. Also the era where the Ferrari International Assistance slowly became the MaFIA.

@swordsman1137

10 ай бұрын

Joking aside, FIA siding with Ferrari is weird take. Because 2003 and 2005 there are some rule change to stop Ferrari domination.

@theonlylolking

10 ай бұрын

I thought it was FIAMG?

@sandalphoncpu

10 ай бұрын

@@swordsman1137 With your logic, I guess maFIA is a weird take as well because the FIA also made rule changes in 2017, 2019, and 2021 to ban some components that made Mercedes so dominant. In actual facts, any team who’s very dominant will have rule changes specifically made to stop them. But what makes both Ferrari and Mercedes being a favorite from the FIA is that they either got benefited far more than other teams whenever the rules weren’t made against them, or they got away scot free whenever they’re punished. Like what the vid showed. Ferrari and the Ferrari drivers were known to have penalty immunity like the Mercedes of today. Earliest example was the illegal use of team orders in 2010. There are countless examples from the Schumacher-Ferrari days as well

Tyre testing should be done by the team that's last. Give them a little chance 😂

Imagine that they Run the 13 car bit with the 14 hybrid engine being the first to test it 😮

Lewis and Fernando's careers are covered by the dark cloud of the biggest controversy's of the sport but we only hear about AD21

@alifmohammadmagdy

8 ай бұрын

His first world title was a direct result of spygate but hey let’s not talk about that

It seems ridiculous that tyre performance is designed to be non optimal to then create competition between mismatched car performance. Everything else on the cars are designed for peak and consistent performance. Not so the tyres.

Is there a video on Mercedes getting the engine rules 2 years prior to everyone else giving a massive advantage at the start of V6 Turbo era?

@gauravmalltarlok5354

9 ай бұрын

Nope, cause all of that is fake. All the teams knew about the regulation changes five years before they came. Mercedes just came up with a design that dominated and the rest of the grid came up with excuses, one of which ended up being that they got the engine rules 2 year prior.

@soilentgreen7

9 ай бұрын

its not fake, seen your bias on here before @@gauravmalltarlok5354

Amazes me to this day that Mercedes got off with no penalty . (Not allowed to complete in young driver test is only a penalty to the Mercedes young drivers )

Man i wish I got as many "reprimands" at work as Perelli does without getting the boot

The 2012 tyres were harder than the current 2013 tyres at the time so Redbull could crank up back the downforce.

Mercedes is the one who's pot calls the kettle black!

So basically, it seems the issue here again is the FIA, not being clear in what is allowed/not allowed then punishing the parties involved when they act off the FIA “guidance”

@madeovstarstuff

10 ай бұрын

Teams never "understood" certain elements within the FIA rulebook.. it's funny as they have highly skilled and paid legal teams to sift through regulations and clauses

@Hammertime4404

10 ай бұрын

@@madeovstarstuff did you watch the video? They passed it through the FIA and the FIA said they thought it was ok… that’s all the due diligence the teams need to do

@soilentgreen7

9 ай бұрын

lol different if it was RB though eh LH fan@@Hammertime4404

As We Predicted 😂

Hard to believe this was already 10 years ago. At the time I was of the opinion that Mercedes got off lightly and I still hold that opinion. The fact that they struggled through the entire Pirelli era to that point to control rear tyre temps, and then immediately after that test they were having less problems told you all you needed to know. Red Bull just had a whinge for the sake of it because the change of construction of the tyres helped Red Bull, Mercedes (funny that!) and Sauber but massively nerfed Ferrari, Lotus and Force India. For me Pirelli didn't do anything wrong conducting the tyre test and if Mercedes wanted to do it should have been with a 2010-11 car. Or alternatively if Pirelli wanted a current car they could have gotten a backmarker from that year; Marussia, Caterham or Williams to do the test. Wouldn't have been anywhere near as controversial.

@2005StangMan

10 ай бұрын

Aim your frustrations at the FIA then, since they're responsible. And if the test is the advantage you claim it to be, the backmarkers would have leapfrogged the competition, and would have had a larger relative gain on their direct competitors.

Using a mid pack team would have been pointless how

End vids with “thanks for watching/listening.”

This proces the hadden agenda from Mercedes. Go into the History of Ross Brawn and you will more of these examples. Toto is member of the same family. It’s interesting to see what is going to happen with Volkswagen / Audio on board in the future.

@alexlacl8730

8 ай бұрын

Ferrari aswell

I was there watching in 13 it was rediculous. Merc had no right to test tires over other teams.

Surely it would have been better to have one day with Merc, one with Ferrari and one with Red Bull?

But but but ReD bUlL oVeR sPeNt

I wondered why Merc weren’t at the young driver test in 2013, 10 years later I know the answer 😂

What merc and hama did to the sport will take years to recover from, im very happy teams cannot just buy championships anymore

I stiil don't like the way Pirelli are always involved in decisions in F1 and treated like stars in the f1 media

Guilty as charged. Testing that years car on that years tyers and saying no advantage gained? Who are they kidding. Now come to think of it how Mercedes dominated with hybrid, perhaps they colluded on the engine as well. Just saying 🤷🏻‍♂️ On a side note, had a lot of respect for Ross brown with that brown gp, not anymore.

I Still Very Remember This One, Mainly How Terrible Was Pirelli At The 2011-2013 Seasons. 17/08/2023 13:30.

If you put this next to abu dhabi 2021 or budget cap 2022. Makes it clear. Mercedes gets away with stuff

This so not Mercedes problem that it's even weird they were involved in the proceedings.

Its Hamilton It was Hamilton the black fella in the black car 😂😂😂

SHAYYYYY-DEEEEE

skip to :45 to skip the introduction to the introduction

And? What's your point?