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Mercedes Benz Diesel EXTREME -20F Cold Start Winter W115
(Temp -19F)
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I only paid 300 dollars for it, the guy thought it had a blown engine, but it turned out the timing on the injector pump was way off. I ended up taking the injector pump off and putting it on the right teeth, and doing the drip test, and etc.
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You need to let the glow plugs go through a second 30-second cycle after the first one. See if that helps it start faster. At that temp, it's going to take some patience. The others are right about your starter too...you'll kill it with all that cranking.
Nice car, it is old, easy to repair and doesn't have any board-computer
Love the sound of those diesel's cranking and running, music to my ears! i have a 92' 190E and its usually parked in the garage with my 300E and my parents Vehicles. I am 17, but i love those mercedes ! The garage is heated but the 300 has a block heater which i had installed i have yet to do that to my 190. The New England weather gets brutal sometimes i use the block heater if i have to park outside in the cold. good luck with that diesel, should keep on going and going!
That dash is a piece of history. Gorgeous.
Why is there a Ford sign in the back?? -.-
I love the sound of old diesels! 38 sec to glow is too long. Clean the battery terminals and check if the charging is good enough. You can also check the voltage on the glow plugs, must be the same as on the battery. There is another way to make quicker glowing, you can purchase a fast glowplug set with relays, this will reduce glow time by about 50%. Best of luck :D
2:07 best sound ever
@zimone89
6 жыл бұрын
gneeeck
@stuartlamont5302
2 жыл бұрын
I’m not alone
If starts and dies only in the extreme cold, its because all the hot air that the glow plugs produce in the cylinders is pushed out the exhaust and it draws in cold air from the intake. Thats why I like grid heaters, they are a little better because it just warms the air as it flows into the intake and to all the cylinders. Otherwise you may be getting air in fuel lines or the injection system.
Greatest diesels ever made. I wish I'd never sold my 300sd.
I have an 85 300D turbo with no rust that's been my daily driver for 8 years. Paid $630 for it.
Beautiful car. Cherish every moment with her. Cars like these you barely get in diesel and the few that you get dont even swing coz they've been neglected for so long. #Thumbs up for the old cars
I think if you had of given it 1/8 to 1/4 throttle on the first attempt it would have stayed running when it initially fired off very strong. You lose pre-combustion chamber heat on these older heads pretty quickly after the cold ambient air starts rushing in.
@stephanestephane4291
5 жыл бұрын
Agree.
ahh please remove that Ford Sticker, no wonder the MB doesn`t start,
I was silently rooting for the car as you were trying to turn it over: come on baby...come onnnnnnnn...yes!
In Lithuania, when we have similar temperature, we simply do preheating not one, but for three cycles before cranking ;)
@mo1971fordcrew
10 жыл бұрын
That's an awesome idea
@unfound23
9 жыл бұрын
mo1971fordcrew I live in Austria central Europe it get´s down to minus 25°C here in Vienna, but in the countryside top temperature was -28°C last winter.. Same thing preheat it 3-4 times before you crank, and DON´T EVER STOP CRANKING!!!!! Keep cranking until it runs, and then give it enough gas to hold idle RPM until you have the feeling idling is smooth! Nice car btw., these things won´t die so soon :-P
@stephanestephane4291
5 жыл бұрын
Good idea !
The glow plugs continue to operate for about 30 seconds after the light goes out. So you can just wait a little longer.
Not only is the OM617 the greatest diesel ever made, it is also widely agreed that it is the greatest most reliable IC engine ever made. I would love to wack one into my Land Rover.
If its like the newer ones the glow plugs are operated off a timer, not any sort of sensor. It can help to glow them a second time before trying to start, as in glow, wait for the light, turn key off, glow again, then crank. From what I've experienced they don't appreciate added throttle, unlike polskaurbans comment, I don't like to have too much throttle on when I crank, just a little helps but its more like a half inch of throttle feed.
old mercs never die. the newer ones do.
@SaturdayCarFever
9 жыл бұрын
Will see about that my friend ;) I loooove my Merc and it seems to be perfection. You can see this baby S-Class on my channel.
@stephanestephane4291
5 жыл бұрын
Agree. The newer ones are not better than most other car brands
that is a classic, it runs on almost everything. it can run with no battery, and on friefat. when apocalypse is on, i will be driving a mercedes :)
I LOVE Mercedes Benz! Here in South Africa that is one of the best car's ever!!! Awesome!
one of the best cold start i ever seen
These engines are one of the best ever build! Only a few power but a lot of displacement and very quality made = longlife! If you want to start more easy at very cold temperatures, you can repeat the preglow without try to start a few times. It's never easy to start a diesel at these temperatures. If it's too hard to start use a preheater or simply a (heat) ventilation unit for little money. Good luck with the mercedes and look at the rust from time to time, thats the main problem =(
The Miller Tap is mint!! $300-?, Damn! Look at what good condition 83-85 300ds are on ebay, $10,000-25,000! Best cars ever made!
Glow plugs, if you run the old technology ones (original for this model, sort of a wire lope), then it is perfectly fine. If you fitted the newer type, it shouldn't take more than 20 seconds before you can start it.
@stephanestephane4291
5 жыл бұрын
You're right, I've counted 20 seconds exactly
@jono4823
2 жыл бұрын
Could you reference the newer type? Interested in what vehicle its from. Thanks
When it cranks just about able to get away from the starter that is a classic sign of air in the fuel on an old plunger type injector pump as fitted to this great old beast.
Thats correct, they start pretty well in cold weather. I had a cummins for a bit, sold it and bought a ford 7.3 non turbo and it hated the cold. Never gonna by a non turbo 7.3 again...
It never breaks. German engineering!
Hate leaving the starter on that long. Feels like you are going to burn it, but I guess the cold would stop that from happening.
@scdevon
8 жыл бұрын
+MrStrongmuscle You can roast a starter motor at these temperatures with no problem. They draw insane amounts of current when the engine oil is cold and thick like this.
What a lovely old mercedes.
Nice cold start :)
Hi there! Thanks! The black knob is the fast idle knob.
I realize that you've now sold the car, but that was actually really good considering the temperature. Your one mistake was after you failed to keep it running on the first start, you tried to crank it till it started without glowing again. This will run down the battery really fast. If you lose idle on the first try, you have to turn the key off and start again with a new glow cycle. In conditions like that, a block heater is your friend, as is bringing the battery inside to keep it warm.
Hey! I tried that out and it worked awesome! It started right up.
Back in the days when cars still had a knob to adjust the idle....good old days....
@mo1971fordcrew
3 жыл бұрын
For real! My 1980 wagon w123 has one too!
nice! surprising ho smooth its runnin even in the cold compared to old fords! (btw love all the smart guys that know nothing bout cars or engines!)
You can see when he turns on the key, that the temp gauge doesn't even budge off the pin. it's the left most gauge in the left cluster.
Motor mounts are shot, that's the clunking sound when cranking. Rubber mounts are probably sunken and hard as a rock. Glow plugs wont necessarily cycle back on right away after the first try, unless you wait a bit. Mine will do the same thing, quit after starting unless I give it some healthy pedal and manage to catch it. Adjust valves, change fuel filters and by all means DO NOT use starting fluid
I love the old Mercedes cars' DIESEL warning text behind em!
Hi there! Yea it still has the loop style glow plugs.. They are actually brand new, but it was way to cold that day.
1:40 I was expecting "Almost there boa" lol
the ford sticker on the back of a merc is a WIN :D
Great car. They really knew how to make a good diesel engine in Mercedes back then. I think that theres air in fuel system and that why it does that in starting. You can test it by pressing that hand pump in fuel line for 15 to 20 times before starting the engine. I should start right up.
We just bought our selfs a 240 for $250 bucks, but yours is way better condition than mine :P
Radosny klekot dieselka w zimie, nawet sie sam ze sniegu otrzepuje :)
The Miller-waterbeer badge on the grille is ridiculous, besides that a very nice and reliable car. Glowing took so long, because of temperature.
That ford sticker is driving me nuts!
Yea I'll do it this weekend! It's in the shop now, I'm getting it all cherried up and looking nice. Buffing, fixing, etc.
Lol, yea my 6.9 doesn't like to start in the cold at all. The ol' Bend starts way better now, it had some fuel leaks. It was getting air in the system.
@stevemcgee99
4 жыл бұрын
I had air leaks, fuel dripping leaks out of the pump, and bad compression. But with enough battery I could always start both my 6.2 GM and 1.5 VW. The big block would need to be cranked until the bottom end oil warmed up! I think I got 3 starters in a couple years. Once I rebuilt the 1.5 it was amazing. Now I have a 82 300D.
the best thing on that benz is the ford sticker on the rear window :D
@mo1971fordcrew
10 жыл бұрын
Win!
@Actikul
10 жыл бұрын
you are funny bro. Ford will never ever get close to Mercedes
@mo1971fordcrew
10 жыл бұрын
Mine is parked right next to it...
@SaturdayCarFever
9 жыл бұрын
The Best or Nothing is for Mercedes-Benz only but that sticker lol :D
I think the replacement for the 3-pointed star is a Miller beer emblem. Mind you, these old diesel Mercs would probably run on it ;)
Back when mercedes made good cars.
-30 degrees Celsius is the normal temperature here in Finland. This winter has been cold Records -40.1 degrees Celsius.
Lovely sound!!!
Cool Mercedes man. Starts good under those contitiones. Greetings from East Frisia
Beautiful color!!
@mo1971fordcrew
10 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
These diesels ar bulletproof 😃
-19 and YOU ARE NOT WEARING ANY GLOVES?!?!?! OMG YOU ARE CRAZY!!!
The one think you do wrong, is you wait too long to start, after the glows shut of, the next, pump gas all the way in, and out when you crank it . It helps with old diesels.
I USED TO HAVE 240D long time ago and it would start like brand new in crazy cold conditions. But what I did was mix gallon of gasoline with little bit of engine oil and then add it to the tank
thats great you can adjust the idle speed from the dash. not many cars had that.
@SkankRemix3
9 жыл бұрын
Most diesels DID and still DO.
@jaggass
9 жыл бұрын
in the old days you could more than lilkely do it your self. now its all computerized shit.
@SkankRemix3
9 жыл бұрын
Some diesel vehicles were still mechanical injection to nearly the year 2000. Also my 2014 Hino still has a throttle knob on the dash. Even if it is a computer throttle, the fact you can over ride the computer and turn it up is still the same thing.
@jaggass
9 жыл бұрын
8v-of-fury those were the days
Used to have one of these. Damn thing was unbelievably slow. Had to take advantage of the hills on the roads.
300$ for 300D. Good deal.
@juanramonaldaysaldana9925
8 жыл бұрын
Very good deal.
@n.agustin113
6 жыл бұрын
$300 * 17 it's AR$24.000!!! In Argentina it's CHEAPEST. By the same price you buy a 150cc or 200 motorbike, it's really INCREDIBLE!
@n.agustin113
6 жыл бұрын
AR$24.000 by a brand new motorbike!
@thiemokucharczyk
3 жыл бұрын
Thats 1 Dollar per D 😂👍👍
nice merc man! Gonna be fun gettin it back in shape - incl putting back the original merc emblem on the hood!
you should re-glow it after that........especially with temps that low. the low temp is probably why it's taking so long to glow.
The glow plugs on this one stay on until it starts. So I could wait 5 minutes and they would be smokin hot... Then when it is running they turn off.
A Car for Eternity
I am with you, there is no quality comparison. At least Mercedes supports their autos, and make parts available. Ford obsoletes them as soon as they are sold!
Sometimes I give mine a little push on the gas while turning the ignition to get it to turn over. I dont know if this is bad, but it seems to work.
No it actually stays on till the car starts. Those little wire things in between the glow plugs get red hot
on the second attempt i would wait for the glow plugs to warm up again,sounds good crancking
Sounds like it has a good starter and battery!! really cranks fast!
Nice heater hose.
you better not being in a hurry in the mornings haha great cars, diesel mercedes are great engins
You just won't give up will ya? Well, Tommy, Its a 1979 Cadillac just like yours! Can't you tell?
nice car...i hope you take care of it.
The "Rudolf Diesel Gedenkminute" like we Germans use to say - Gedenkminute= (to hold a) minute's silence. Think of him whilst glowing!
Drrr-drdrdrrrrrr... Sounds amazing. No turbocompressors!
i would love to have one like this
aren't you supposed to floor the throttle on an older diesel? in my Fiat Uno manual it says you should floor the throttle while cold-starting the diesel version.
@eatonjask
7 жыл бұрын
Mercedes didn't recommend that on its older diesels - neither did VW.
@WymiataczPlays
7 жыл бұрын
@106272804777609732729 alright thanks for the info :)
@hardeepsingh-iu5go
5 жыл бұрын
No not with bosch plunger type pump
lol The hood ornament is creative.
Don't force it, reset a new heater plug sequence with orange light. It necessary to heats engine from -19°F to 200°F in cylinders, it makes many times, especially if you don't start engine immediately!
my dad use to have a w123 back in the days, and he use to start it on two batteries on cold day like this. Next time u should try it :) make sure that u disconnect all light before doing it thou or you are in for a bad surprise, personal experience
Of course it starts. It's a Mercedes for fuck's sake. You can drive one on the surface of a white dwarf. Fuck, it's the only thing that can get out of a black hole. Einstein said it, duuuh.
thumbs up for that miller sign!
@bigman55434
10 жыл бұрын
I do have to say that the sign is better utilized as a hood ornament than it is pouring beer. Yuck.
older mercedes are very stronger...I adore it !
that is good old german engineering it runs and runs and runs
What kind of glow plugs do you have? The old loop style? You can get the pencil type if you change the relay and that reduces starting time dramatically. Also, the bus wires, the insulators on the glow plugs, the glow plugs themselves, and the leads all rust, which limits your current to the glow plugs. I just cleaned mine because after 5 years of not running it would not start.
You have air in the injection system. Thats why it starts up once and then almost impossible afterwards
Yea I do have the manual, I havn't read it though...LOL. I will look at it tonight, thanks for the info! That should help way better!
Nice! 5 Zylinder! Good sound!
It was a 115 like yours, W123 didn't come out until 1977, at least in America.
jeez how many batteries you go through having to start that thing in the winter?
@blattferenc9647
8 жыл бұрын
That is not a big deal for a 100Ah battery, but he could use a block heater.
Hey i love that miller tap as the hood ornament
wow that glow plug took forever, the longest newer diesels have to take in below 0 is like 10 seconds
Базара нет. Лютая тачка
My 1988 MB 300E (petrol) starts just fine in -34°c. Diesel is always a diesel, my friend's Volvo V70 D5 didn't start up in minus 25c...
I am very impressed. Once a diesel is started it will not stall. But I am very impressed. Have you tried little tricks on the first start like stepping very easy on the accelerator vs. a hard step?
What have you done to winterize your very rust prone 240D?
old , but strong and hard car.