It's interesting how what we imagine as the iconic roman legionary armour is actually pretty early, and short lived, in Rome's history.

@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443

10 ай бұрын

*late

@Chadius_Thundercock

10 ай бұрын

Cause it looks cool as fuck

@TaRAAASHBAGS

10 ай бұрын

It was some of the most effective. Just expensive to make and a bitch to maintain. When it comes to war, especially for the Boots, cost efficiency trumps raw performance every time.

@APersonOnYouTubeX

10 ай бұрын

@@TaRAAASHBAGSunless of course production difference is very small

@MrAlepedroza

9 ай бұрын

​@@TaRAAASHBAGSSegmentata was actually not that expensive to craft or maintain. Hamata, on the other hand, took forever to be made and consumed more metal, but was cheaper to maintain.

They started and ended fighting for the city

@reidf8506

4 жыл бұрын

Sparksender I cri evertim

@TheSunderingSea

3 жыл бұрын

@@reidf8506 f-for the city! ;_;

@rayjohnmatthewpuzon1463

2 жыл бұрын

Constantinople or Rome?

@richardguzman2108

2 жыл бұрын

@@rayjohnmatthewpuzon1463 They started fighting for the city of Rome and finished fighting during the fall of Constantinople.

@gaiuscladiusglaber9805

2 жыл бұрын

FPR THE CİTY!

One Etruscan disliked this.

@imperii2832

4 жыл бұрын

and also don’t forget the Carthaginians

@Armorius2199

4 жыл бұрын

A total of five Samnites so far!

@charliestepson90

4 жыл бұрын

I honestly dont understand why people would click dislike on this?

@xpavpushka

4 жыл бұрын

​@@charliestepson90 Bots, probably

@truthissacred

3 жыл бұрын

some persians and arabs asw

No matter how sad the Fall of the Byzantine Empire and missing the opportunity to become the biggest irony by turning into a republic in modern era, I am glad it lasted this long

@princefriedman3025

4 жыл бұрын

lol that would've been awesome

@alvarogomezvivas7844

3 жыл бұрын

Or even better: it turns back into a republic in the wake of the French Revolution, but then some time during the 19th century it reverts back to a kingdom, with a Roman king. Thus the cycle would be complete: from monarchy to republic to empire to republic to kingdom.

@iamvinnyyes

3 жыл бұрын

Or even better: World War 1 begins and the Republic of the Byzantine reverts back into an empire.

@terrynewsome6698

3 жыл бұрын

That is interesting, what about a large number of former byzantine refugees find safety on Malta and later going on to settle in new Spain eventually revolting and making the western Roman republic of Mexico.🤔

@histguy101

3 жыл бұрын

When the Byzantine empire fell, it was still the Roman Res Publica(or in Greek, Politeia). It never abandoned being a "Republic" or stopped calling itself that. It's just that the Romans didn't have the same definition that the modern term does.

Romans always took the best from every people they met, and assimilated them in time The real strong of Rome

@badgerbrowncoat5433

3 жыл бұрын

"complain less / adapt more " ;)

Your voice sounds nice, like you could voice a podcast

The Trapezountines as you called them definitely called themselves Roman and their ancestors till this day still call themselves Roman. My family are the descendants of the Trapezountines.

Seeing all this variety in Roman Arms and Armor kinda makes me sad that when in Fantasy there's a faction that is supposed to be an expy of the Roman Empire (The Empire of Cyrodiil in the Elder Scrolls, and especially Skyrim, for instance), they always default to the "Galea and Lorica Segmentata" look of the Imperial Legionaries, just because it is the most well-known Roman Infantry. Just look at the Danubian Legionary at 3:44 ! The armor almost looks early Medieval, and has a very striking look to it. Or anything from the 4th Century onwards, really. Eastern Rome and the Byzantine Empire are severely overlooked in Fantasy when it comes to taking inspiration for a faction. Also, I think the Varangian Bra was probably there to distribute the weight of the armor from just resting on a soldier's shoulders and hips (belt).

@foojer

4 жыл бұрын

Well I hear that Mount and Blade Bannerlord has a Byzantium expy

@denizmetint.462

4 жыл бұрын

@@foojer What country are you from? I can't place the accent.

@foojer

4 жыл бұрын

From Hong Kong, but spent time in Canada

@denizmetint.462

4 жыл бұрын

@@foojer I thought I heard some Canadian in there. Will you also go through ancient Chinese armour types and weapons?

@foojer

4 жыл бұрын

In the distant future yes:)

The difference in quality with your earlier work is stunning to say the least. You've gone from good to magnificent. The shine on the armour and the leather belts was just amazing

@foojer

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate:)

After rewatching this, all I wanna see is Roman/ Byzantine uniforms in the Napoleonic wars ... Ohh god this quarantine is affecting my brain, I am daydreaming.

@foojer

4 жыл бұрын

Now that would be cool....

@Armorius2199

4 жыл бұрын

@@foojer Yeah Byzantium surviving is one of the great What If's of History.

@Ezpazmic

4 жыл бұрын

There's DLC in EU4 for that.

@Armorius2199

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ezpazmic Yeah and in Tier 4 the Infantry Musketman wears plate cuirass, THE INFANTRYMAN!!!

@riggedmint

3 жыл бұрын

They would probably wear Maroon uniforms similar to a Russian uniform.

Stop reminding me of 1435 bro you make me depressed.

@Wowa9305

4 жыл бұрын

Loricatvs 1527 1453* 😊👍🏻

@amonvandenbruaene8395

4 жыл бұрын

I understand what you mean.

@Duke_of_Lorraine

3 жыл бұрын

It's also the year the English were finally kicked out of France (minus Calais)

@richraichu4068

3 жыл бұрын

@@Duke_of_Lorraine you, I know you, you comment frequently on extra history.

@wilmerbesitan1200

3 жыл бұрын

@@richraichu4068 haha, lmao me too I recognized him

I don't know why, but everytime I saw you draw the pattern for chain mail, I felt so satisfied. Especially the moment when you finished filling the last part of the chain mail.

@foojer

4 жыл бұрын

Same here man

Started with “For the city”, ended with “For the city”.

For Rome And Byzantium!

The Gothians could be a remarkable fantasy inspiration. The blended Gothic, Byzantine and possibly Turkish influences must be something!

@foojer

4 жыл бұрын

if only we knew more about them!!

Rome falls - I slep Constantinople falls - I cry

@wv8d

4 жыл бұрын

Same man and even worse is that in 1923 the greeks lost all hopes of regaining Constantinople

@SpartanHoplite360

4 жыл бұрын

hidden aren’t you ashamed?

@honzavasicek

4 жыл бұрын

@@wv8d Dont wory, one day, we will reclaim Constantinople in name of NATO and nonmuslim world.

@wv8d

4 жыл бұрын

@@honzavasicek well probably but not anytime soon since the city is too heavily turkified

@cigercihakan5558

4 жыл бұрын

@@honzavasicek nope.

Great video, I always wondered what late Byzantine soldiers looked like and I would see some films of the Siege of Constantinople where the Byzantines are wearing early Middle Age spangenhelmets

@foojer

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah film studios just use whatever medieval props they have at hand I guess

@Wowa9305

4 жыл бұрын

foojer And, they‘ve never opened a history book either.

Commentary is a great addition makes this video leagues better than your other ones which are already really good.

Severan dynasty/Crisis of the Third Century reenactor here. Thank you for representing 3rd century AD troops with accuracy. The world is ready to accept the aesthetical superiority of Niederbieber helmets! In matter of events, the 193-284 AD period (Middle Imperial) makes Game of Thrones look bland 😈

@foojer

4 жыл бұрын

Nice:) I've always wondered tho, are Niederbieber helmets very uncomfortable to wear? They seem to offer great protection but your head is almost completely encased, plus you can't tilt your head up while wearing it

@huguesdiceva

4 жыл бұрын

@@foojer I can tilt my head but to a limited extent, I'd say. They're not uncomfortable, as I wear mine with a proper galericum below. Such a tragedy that Diocletian's reforms phase them out due to the cost and time to their fabrication, even if some models survived throughout the 4th century.

@huguesdiceva

4 жыл бұрын

@@foojer Although crouching position is definitely a challenge, to say the least. That's why archeologists think the Roman soldiers found gassed by sulfur dioxide in one underground tunnel during the siege of Dura-Europos in 256 AD didn't wear helmets.

@denizmetint.462

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've become very interested in the Severan dynasty lately. Especially the viciousness of Caracalla and Elagabalus.

@huguesdiceva

4 жыл бұрын

@@denizmetint.462 Those are my two favorite emperors. They deserve either movies or series about them.

I figured the Lorica Segmentata stuck with people because of how unique, and possibly uniquely Roman, it was compared to the rest of their gear. We go from Greek styled hoplites to chainmail, Gallic helmets and Spanish swords... Then, out of nowhere, segmented plate armour that only sticks around for a portion of Rome's history and doesn't seem to come up anywhere else in history. As quickly as it appears, it's suddenly replaced by eastern scale armour and the latest in Gallic helmets. This is just conjecture, but people better versed in Roman history than me might have some more plausible theories.

@5peciesunkn0wn

10 ай бұрын

That's definitely part of it. It's very clearly and obviously *Roman* compared to the rest of it, but it was expensive and complex to make compared to scalemail, chainmail, and lamellar armors.

0:05 you forgot that some time in the 8th century romans started wearing skin, they would still depict sculptures skinless throughout the century

This was one of your best videos. I also think, your drawings gets better and better, compared to your first video of the roman army. I also liked the historical background facts. You could really imagine, how and why the troopers evolved in that manner. What I would really like to see would be germanic or iberian troopers from antiquity to the renaissance

@combobulous7044

4 жыл бұрын

The evolution of German and Iberian troopers from antiquity to the Renaissance would be pretty cool

@bvillafuerte765

5 ай бұрын

​@@combobulous7044Of course!

Gotta admire the man's love and dedication to Rome, to serve for so many years and adapt to all the types of gear despite being able to retire after just 20.

The Trebizon empire did think of themselves as the Roman since the last ruling dynasty of Trebizon was the Komnenoi, who ruled the Eastern Rome in the 11th century to 13th century.

great work! it's funny and maybe a little sad to see them start from "for the city" and end with the same phrase, but nothing stays forever, does it

6:31 Greetings from Berkasovo, Serbia!

The best explanation for the Varangian Bra that I've seen is that it helps with weight distribution, a common issue with heavy mail coats.

I always love your art, but I really liked the additional facts as well. :)

As always, an amazing work!

This is a highly valuable video for anyone who wants to do their own historical artwork. Showing all the layers beneath the armor is important, because it let's everyone know how the gear was put together.

Recently discovered your channel and I have to say I absolutely love the explanations and clarifications of the armor choices and eras. I learned quite a bit from this and with the amount of content you have available I can see I'll have no shortage to look through!

In the later Empire start using the spatha but they still use the Gladius

Man this is one of the most briliant ideas for YT videos I have witnessed. Imediately subscribed. You have no idea how you brought order to my basic knowledge of Roman military gear, which is very comperhensive and soo distinct through centuries. Thumbs up !

This is amazing work. Informative and nicely understated.

This video deserves many more views and likes. Such meticulous detailing (for it's scope) and the sheer amount of work that would've gone into making all that art, even if stylistically simple. Also, the music selection was great. It really set the mood, putting into mind the notion of past glory and the inherent contemplative sadness of it having passed away forever into memory.

I love your creations, thanks for sharing!

Your style evolved beautifully

Awesome work as usual! I’ve been rewatching a lot of your videos and it’s really cool to see how you’ve improved your already impressive skills.

I love the hell out of these videos and your drawing style

Love that you have Magna Mater going in the background.

Fantastic work !

very nice video, congrats!

I always wanted to see a video like this, nice job!

This is brilliant stuff. Great job! Keep it up!

The graphics and illustrations are really pleasing to look at.

I really like this narration, keep it up dude!

Man, i remember your old videos and your drawing skills really improved since then, kudos.

This was such i good video, i really learned alot. Thank you!

amazing work and amazing soundrtacks from Civilizations VI🙏👌

Amazing job

What an amazing video ! You deserved more views man.

What a great job thank you for this

Love the art work 🎉

Rowdy Howdy, foojer! - found your video by happenstance while researching the evolution of ERE miltary /themata, etc... yes, for a game LOL. dig the style

Mhm that’s the first time I heard an English Person pronouncing a German word perfectly... I am impressed with all of your vids! I stumbled upon you like 3 videos ago and instantly subbed! This is amazing content, keep it up!

@foojer

3 жыл бұрын

Ah good to know all my years of learning German haven’t gone to waste:)

One thing I would like to see is the Maurian troops. Supposedly parts of North Africa remained "culturally Roman" up until the invasion of the Islamic caliphate.

@histguy101

3 жыл бұрын

North Africa was still part of the Roman Empire when it was conquered by the Caliphate around the year 700.

Support more videos like this www.patreon.com/foojer Made with iOS IbisPaint. Soundtrack used is the Industrial Rome, Medieval Sumeria, Industrial Scythia, Industrial Greece, and Atomic Scythia themes from the Civilization 6 OST, I don't own the rights to the tracks. The whole grand sweep of Roman and Byzantine heavy infantry evolution from the 9th century BC to the 15th century AD. I've kept to calling them Byzantines mostly out of convention (yes they are Romans) but also to recognise them as their own distinctive culture. 6:29 is labelled incorrectly, should be a Deurne helmet

@dtx.spooky214

4 жыл бұрын

foojer ik

@dtx.spooky214

4 жыл бұрын

Ok

This most certainly saids another light on my view of Roman armor. Nice video!

I love how you included Trebizond and Theodoro in there. Way too often overlooked parts of Byzantine history! Theodoro is particularly ignored, there's really not much about them out there.

I love your art style!!! The comical figure wearing the highly detailed armour, really shows that the focus isn’t the man, but his clothing! Keep up the good work man! Love from Germnay :)

@foojer

11 ай бұрын

Vielen Dank, friend:)

This channel deserves more subscribers!

It was soo interesting! Very good job! Thank u very much! Subscribed!

I think very early Roman and neighbouring Italian warriors having gear resembling Gallic gear (with Greco-Etruscan influence) is because, quite likely, a subsection of the Roman and Italian tribes WERE Celtic cousins of the Iberians and Gauls in the first place. The Romans were partly Hellenised Celts from the onset (and the near by Samnites even wore Celtic style neck torques).

4 жыл бұрын

well they did live near the celts so their cultural influence must of had some effect on the tribes of the Italian peninsular.

@myfaceismyshield5963

10 ай бұрын

Well the Insubres for example, who aided Hannibal in his invasion, were celtic. At the time they lived in northern Italy on the south side of the Alps. So we know for a fact that there were celtic tribes in what is now called Italy. Of course that place wasn't thought to be Italy or Roman territory at that time, not until Rome won against Hannibal and conquered the Insubres that is. The Insubres people eventually all became full citizens of Rome, so by then you would assume there to be a lot of celtic influences parted to the majority culture of Rome. There definitely are celtic influences in Roman things before that, but it could come from trade and copying enemy war materiel.

@TedShatner10

10 ай бұрын

@@myfaceismyshield5963 Maybe the earlier European Celts copied a lot from Greco-Etruscan Italians too, with armoured vests, "Celtic" helmets, and scutum shields having a mixed Italian origin in their basic forms.

This is a very clearly illustrated walkthrough of the look and feel of Roman Legion spanning almost 1000 years. This vid explains way better than Metatron's "Evolution of Roman Armour - Kingdom, Republic, Empire" vid. I loved your comment of "Surprisingly short lived Lorica Segmentata, and yet it became the defacto legionary look. Yes that look often overly presented in games, TV, documentaries and film for all Roman periods. Even as a Roman fanatic as Metatron, he never mentioned this ironical statement of "short lived, but still iconic"... This is a well researched and yet still delightfully explained video. I've watched a lot of SPQR vids on KZread. This is by far the best one to demythify that singular look of Roman legion(lorica segmentata). Great work!

As always, great video.

Great video! Probably took a lot of time and research. And love that Civ soundtrack! Keep it going)

@foojer

10 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Nice job dude, greetings from Spain!!

Good drawings, good comments, as well as the Roman army, your videos evolved for the good.

I love it how you describe Triarius as "old farts" lmao.

Started with ''For the City!' and ended with 'For the City!'. Nice

It always amazes me how greeks were romans for several centuries.

FANTASTIC VIDEO MAN!!!!!!!

7:28 most common attila total war roman infantry

amazing, as always.

Fine video as always

Absolutely love this.

Great video, would love one of various barbarians gear over time, such as one specifically of all the Celtic styles from the Hallstatt period to the Jacobite rebellion or of the all the Scytho-sarmartian styles from the Greeks descriptions to the Alans of the Middle Ages

@a-stardesigns1453

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! I would love to see (at least a speculative look of) the Huns, Hepthalites, Kutrigurs, Avars, Bulgars, Magyars, Pechenegs... and so on! Ooo and/or a tour of the different Germanic successors in the west: Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Vandals, Franks, Gepids, Lombards, and Heruli

This is top tier video in KZread

I love how he uses the Speer right and not with overhand grip

Your drawings improve in quality over time, just like the Roman army did :)

Magnificent! This comment will inevitably see a lot of repeat of praise I've heaped on you before, but heck. I love the format of this video. Treating the evolution of a state's combat gear, along with brief, but very informative notes on each set piece is a great way to get into not only the warfare aspect of said state, but the cultural development surrounding it. You art style continues to improve as well. Some pieces of cloth look almost photo-realistic, like the gorget and cap of the 7th century infantryman. The metallics look very pretty as well. Many of the scale/lamellar armour pieces look almost like they're from an oil painting. As someone very interested in the Byzantine period, particularly between the Heracleian and Komnenian era, the later part of this video was a treat. For the first Komnenian 12th century Skoutatos, I'm a bit... not sceptical, but still curious. The manikella in conjunction with a hauberk seems a bit odd to me. That might just be personal bias towards an "arms are usually the last part to get solid protection"-idea, but then again, 'usually'. I figure the Niederbieben type helmet was much like the Lorica Segmentata: too expensive and complicated to maintain in large numbers. I find it fascinating how close it is in design to late medieval helmets, particularly the armet. I would actually argue experimenting a bit with getting rid of the black contour lines. In some of the pieces, they seem almost invasive, set against the textures of the different surfaces, be they metallic or fabric. I've no idea how it would look, but it'd be interesting to see. I think my favourites are the first 4th century legionary, the 6th century Bucellarius, the late 6th century infantryman, the various 10th century Skoutatoi, and the 13th century infantrymen, the last for sheer ugly-cool looks. Far too many favourites. I feel like that six year-old you mentioned trying to pick a favourite candy. Which - smooth transition - brings us into you commentary. As I said above, brief, but plenty informative, and as always, delivered with insight as well as your brilliant deadpan humour. Lovely seeing this vid. Hope you're doing good in these chaotic times. Cheers.

@foojer

4 жыл бұрын

Dude I honestly treat your comments as like the pay off for my work (well not the only pay off but it’s honestly a huge part of it). Thanks for the feedback man, yeah I’m honestly pretty impressed with the new look. Totally agree on the lines, I didn’t feel it at first but now I totally get it. Might try to phase those out slowly, or maybe make them thinner. Yeah the Byzantine rerebraces were kinda conjecture, it might well not have been like that. Anyway thanks for making my day once again bro, and yeah you take care too:)

Great video. This kind of presentation of the different types of soldiers is respectable. A little sidenote: The common use of trousers in the 4th century, not only a germanic influence, but also hunnic too. Probably the the first people in Europe who were wearing trousers were horse nomads. (If I know correctly, we do not have hystorical presentation for wearing trousers, only after the apperance of the huns in Europe, wich happend also in the 4th century. It is possible, that the roman armadopted the trousers from the huns.)

@histguy101

3 жыл бұрын

Roman soldiers have been wearing trousers in northern Europe since the late Republic. they didn't just freeze to death

@frosthammer2386

3 жыл бұрын

@@histguy101 If I know correctly the first roman illustration of the trousers, is from the Column of Arcadius. And this monument was made after the arriving of the huns to Europe. I do not say that the trousers on roman soldiers were only hun influence. But this horse nomad nation certainly had some influence on roman military.

@histguy101

3 жыл бұрын

@@frosthammer2386 Perhaps, but the Romans were in contact with trousers wearing peoples very early on, such as the Celts, from whom they adopted all sorts of things, like their armor, helmets, shields, swords, etc. By the late Republic, soldiers were wearing 3/4 length pants with leg warmers. I don't think we can say they adopted pants from the Huns, as Roman pants were tight-fitting, like leggings. The Huns and Avars wore very billowy, baggy trousers, which would be seen as feminine in Roman society. They thought a man's muscular legs should not be hidden.

@frosthammer2386

3 жыл бұрын

@@histguy101 It could happened. One little side note: that 'very billowy' part, with the pants of the Huns and the Avars is not really true in my opinion. They had baggy trousers, that's true. But only to a certain degree. The trousers were made in a way, that they won't be limitation in certain movements. But this type of very baggy trousers, worn by the Turks (in the Middle Ages) for example, was not really common among Huns, Avars, or Hungarian people.

I just knew about that one grieves. Thank you

The "for the city" was a nice touch

Wow 👌 thank you very much

The term "Romioi" or Roman in the Byzantien world means only Greek/Hellen and well, almost all the armors and arms of the Byzantines were made in the Hellenesitic/Oriental way as the Strategikon and many other military treatises suggest.

@paprskomet

3 жыл бұрын

Firstly claim that by "Roman" they in fact meant "Greek" is old outdated and totally false claim mostly propagated by modern greek nationalists and few nationalist greek historians.That by Roman they meant Roman and not something else was demonstrated without any rooms for doubts.I will gladly provide you literature if needed.Second half of your reaction is also incorrect and used in manipulative way in order to try support first part of your reaction which is the sole reason for why you wrote it.Roman army across its entire history always adopted its gear from outside world both from west and the east.In "Byzantine" times they mostly copied ways of the eastern nations and some practicies were going back to ancient greek armies but you are misusing that fact in very manipulative way.

@user-ll9hb3sd8h

3 жыл бұрын

@@paprskomet It is the theory that has the most support for modern Byzantinisms and as your little knowledge shows. It is the theory that has more evidence about its medieval identity. I am not a Greek nationalsite, I am a Peruvian Byzantinist who studies in Germany and who personally read several Byzantine manuscripts, both originals and copies, including the Mauritian strategikon, Basilika's Basilika, and among the military and cultural traces they were called Greek You acknowledge that they had adopted the Hellenic war system and not the Roman one. In an expedition made by Nikeforos Fokas writes that the phalanx system that the Byzantines used was a model based on a Macedonian Alexandrina phalanx that never saw the light due to the death of Alexandro and this was one of several military formations inherited and adopted by the Byzantines because it was their culture, it was effective and iconic. Just to quote even Byzantine Generals of what you call "fake and Greek nationalist propaganda" 'Lads, have pride in your manhood, and don't allow yourselves to have the hearts of women! What cowardice makes you always run away? Remember your forefathers whose courage made the whole world subject to them. Hector, the bravest of men, fell before the arms of Achilles. Troy was reduced to flames by the Mycenean fury. India knew of the gallantry of Philip. Did not his son Alexander through his bravery make the strongest of kingdoms submit to the Greeks? The west and indeed every part of the world was once in fear of us. What people, hearing the name of the Greeks, dared to stand before them in the field? Towns, fortresses and cities could scarcely render their enemies safe from their power. Be valiant, I pray you, remember the courage of your ancestors, and don’t disgrace them by placing your trust in your feet [alone]! He who dares to fight like a man will overcome the strength of the enemy. Try to follow in the footsteps of your ancestors, and abandon now any idea of ​​flight. All the world should know that you are men of courage. One should not fear the Frankish people in battle, for they are inferior both in numbers and in courage. ' The Byzantines used to put meanders and suns of Vergina on their shields, armor, swords, etc. and this is a hint of their Hellenic consciousness compared to all the evidences that exist. I only mention meanders and suns of Vergina because they are the best known to normal people but apart from these Hellenic traces there is an infinity of art, equipment, architecture ect that shows that their civilization and society was "Christian Hellenic" and they were aware of it. Then you should do a little research on your part before speaking so confidently.

@paprskomet

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-ll9hb3sd8h Firstly-your knowlidge of Roman army during mediaval times is very vague if you limit it only on greek legacy.That demonstrates only your ignorance about it. Secondly you will hardly prove what you want to prove by merely cherrypicking one isolated passage which is moreover not even written by Byzantine Roman but latin writting guy from the west under Norman rule.I can provide you several such passagies written directly by Romans where they manifest quite clearly what they mean under Roman and it is not "a Greek".In some cases-especially in later centuries you can find pasages where they talk about themselves at one sentence as about continuators of both ancient Romans and Greeks.Greek nationalists are typicilly using sources only from very last centuries of empires existence when very small minority of intellectuals started to view themselves as Greeks(out of complex set of reasons which cant be ignored) but we do know that this was not the case with majority of "Byzantine" population,nor the state itself ever gave up of of their claim on being direct continuation of ancient Roman Empire. Thirdly somthing to read for you: By Anthony Kaldellis: -"Romanland: Ethnicity and Empire in Byzantium" -"The Byzantine Republic: People and Power in New Rome" -"Hellenism in Byzantium: The Transformations of Greek Identity and the Reception of the Classical Tradition." By Gill Page: -"Being Byzantine: Greek Identity Before the Ottomans" By Ioannis Stouraitis: -"Roman identity in Byzantium: a critical approach" Did you read anything from it? ...and of course there is also an ocean of original Roman sources from that period but you either despise with them or decided to ignore what they say to you which is like not seeing elephant in a room. In the meantime,if you want,try to confront me with something better than just text from western writter ,.-) !!!

@user-ll9hb3sd8h

3 жыл бұрын

@@paprskomet Yes well then you refuse to believe history and modern Byzantinists and even claim that my source is a European and not a Byzantine General. You don't even bother to justify why and you just call it European without giving any explanation, leaving aside that your mentioned Byzantinists can be found by anyone just by searching Byzantinism in Google, it's a shame that you think the theory that Anthony Kaldellis supports is so superficially and as your even poorer knowledge on the subject suggests, it seems that you did not read his books nor that of any of the Byzantinists you mentioned. Curiously one of them taught me, like Ioannis Stouraitis at the University of Patras but if you decide not to put any evidence of what you say and you only mention 3 questionable citations that are from a modern point of view, let me quote you some not to say all serious Byzantinists that support the Greek identity theory. 1. Aug. Heisenberg, Byzantinist: "Byzantine is the Christianized Roman state of the Greek nation" (Staat und Gesellschaft des byzantinischen Reiches, Die Kultur der Gegenwart, p. 364) 2. D. Talbot Rice, Byzantinist: "Byzantium must really be studied as a chapter in the long history of Greek culture and Greek thought" (Byzantines, 26) 3. Arnold Toynbee, Byzantinist, in The Greeks and Their Legacies: He speaks of the "power of the Hellenized Roman Empire" (p. 71) "The Greeks had identified with the Roman Empire and had appropriated it" (p. 116) "In the 5th century the empire continued to be nominally Roman, but in fact it had become Greek and remained Greek" (p. 187) "The Roman Empire itself came to be appropriated by the Greeks during this transitional period" (p. 187) "The Greeks finally made the Roman Empire their own" (p. 212) 4. H.-G. Beck, Byzantinist: "The empire became 'Byzantine' because conquered Greece had once again won in the spiritual realm and could now regard state power and state organization, which were initially so foreign to it, as a framework within which one could pursue a career., And to excel without having to leave the commons to the Latins ”(The Byzantine Millennium, p. 38). 5. St. Runciman, Byzantinist: "I do not think that modern Greeks are more Greek than the Byzantines" (Interview with L. Thomas) 6. L. Brehier, Byzantinist: "The Byzantine state is the organic development of the Roman Empire, but it became Greek and Christian and we find in it united the three fundamental elements of European culture: Hellenism, Roman law and Christianity" (Le dιvelopement des historie Byzantine, Revue d ' Auvergne, vol. 18, p. 34) 7. Ch. Diehl, Byzantinist: He considers the Byzantine Greeks, refers to the Hellenization of Romania after Heraklion (History of the Byzantine Empire, p. 69 et seq.) And writes that the Roman means the Greek. 8. Ostrogorsky, Byzantinist: He writes about the time of Heraklion (7th c.) "Byzantium, although it always remains firmly attached to Roman political ideas and traditions, changes into a medieval Greek state" (History of the Byzantine State, vol. A ', p. 217 ) 9. JB Bury, Byzantinist: "The civilization of the Byzantine state, having deep roots in the past, was the last phase of Greek culture" (History of the later Roman empire from the death of Theodosius I to the death of Justinian) 10. Alexander Kazdan, Byzantinist: In a study he emphasizes that the Empire was Greek, although it contained some minorities, Armenians, Italians, Slavs (Alexander Kazhdan and Antony Cutler, "Continuity and Discontinuity in Byzantine History", Byzantion vol. 32 (1982), p. 465) 11. Gyula Moravcsik, Hellenist-philologist: He writes that it is better to talk about Hellenology than Byzantinology (Byzantion, vol. 25 (1965), pp. 291-301). Leaving aside that Kaldellis also recognizes Hellenic continuity and that the theory he supports is harshly criticized by modern Byzantism due to its potential lack of proof and massive modern views. Clearly you don't have the slightest idea of ​​what it is to study the Byzantines and unlike you, I took my citations from my books and not from the total war 2 forums and I can still give you more. PS: Read the history of the Greek nation maybe you convince yourself that they were Greeks.

@histguy101

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-ll9hb3sd8h Just about every ancient Roman writer extolled the virtues and vices of the Homeric heroes or Alexander, or others, etc in their writings. The earliest Roman historians even wrote only in Greek. Every time a general or Emperor launched an expedition east, he was compared, or compared himself to Alexander. This includes Crassus, Mark Anthony, Trajan, Lucius Verus, Septimius Severus, etc. Conversely, when Heraclius concluded his war against Persia, he returned in Triumph, and the Senate at Constantinople hailed him as "Scipio." Byzantine emperors traced their power back to Aeneas, Romulus, Augustus, and Constantine. Suggesting that an English transliteration of the Greek transliteration of "Roman" meant anything other than "Roman" is asinine. When Gregory of Tours in his Frankish history(in Latin) refers to the Byzantines, he calls them the "Res Publica" of the Romans, and conversely, Procopius (in Greek) calls the Roman citizens under Vandalic and Gothic rule in Africa and Italy Ῥωμαῖοι. When Byzantine military manuals use the term "Phalanx," they aren't referring to some specific Hellenistic style of fighting, but simply using the Greek word of the time for "military formation." You're emphasizing far too much of a distinction between "Greek" and "Roman" to begin with, then retroactively removing one from the other. Neither the classical era Romans, nor Medieval era Romans are going to fit into these stereotypes you've created for them. For instance, anecdotes about "Macedonian strategies and tactics" from Byzantine military treatises do nothing for your point when classical Roman military treatises contained them also, and it is from those Classical Roman era sources that the Byzantine sources took influence from. Lastly, the Byzantines never stopped considering their empire a universal empire, even when all they had left was a city. "Roman" was never an ethnic identity. The original Romans were Latins, Sabines, Etruscans, Greeks, other Italics, along with the descendants of Trojan refugees(according to legend). It was a city state and citizenship.

Great video! Loved the drawings of each phase...also LOL on "...my inner 6 year old" comment

It was Majestic, Im glad to have learned many of underrated and unknown armours, I am also happy to see that you included the the post Constantinople units (Trebizond, Theodoros) I think the "Gothians" viewed themselves as a mix of the 2 culture, Greco-Roman and Gothic

I love your videos

I like the art style.

Nice video Well done

Великолепная работа! Спасибо!

Oh man. Love your art style. I too draw all the artwork in my channel. Salute. I know how difficult it is.

I have to say the Commentary is nice And the historical tidbits make it better.

@foojer

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s a better format. Slightly more work but worth it

Brilliant!

Hail Basil Edit: amazing art as always😃

On the Varangian Bra, it was probably used to help take the weight off the shoulders. With mail shirt, it isn’t super necessary, but it would be an improvement, so I could absolutely see them doing it for that reason

@paprskomet

Жыл бұрын

This theory is the most often mentioned but reenactors doubt this being really the case as from their experience it do little to work like that.

I waited for this video

Woohoo!!! Superb!!! Great!!!!

Cutting off at 1453 feels like history’s best tv series got cancelled. Byzantium should have lasted until modernity.