I think I will house rule that the planes do not block line of sight for ground units, but if a ground unit moves underneath an enemy plane, the plane gets an opportunity attack of 1 die.

CORRECTION: 05:57 The RAKE THE ENEMY Air Combat card was played incorrectly on the third Infantry unit being attacked. RAKE THE ENEMY allows STARS to hit, but NEVER Grenade symbols rolled, so only two (2) hits there, not three (3).

Aren't the planes suppressing the ground unit to keep it from firing at distant units????? Isn't that an advantage for air on purpose????

Airplanes that block LOS is a rule thematically correct for me, units are focused on them and can't combat.

@mwhite212

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, I immediately interpreted it as a kind of pinning of the unit.

@MrSteveK1138

28 күн бұрын

​@@mwhite212I didn't get that rule at first, but that makes sense with units keeping their heads down with a plane in the vicinity.

The line of sight thing makes sense because ground units would definitely not expose themselves to a fighter bomber flying above them. Plus it's one less rule to worry about. Figures block line of sight to everything but artillery, simple.

@RichMulholland

Жыл бұрын

The only thing that's strange about that is that those units could move, or shoot adjacent enemies, so they are not keeping their head down, they are just blocking line if sight. I don't even agree that the rule re planes would add any complexity as it's so intuitive that planes wouldn't block line of site.

Thematically I guess you could say the troops on the ground are keeping their heads down while enemy aircraft are overhead...I guess 😐

@mikehamilton8782

5 жыл бұрын

100%, you see a plane coming at you, you hide!

@daviddenaldi816

5 жыл бұрын

That's kind of what I was thinking as well- the aircraft basically have the opposing unit's attention and they are kind of focused on not getting shot up again.

@jasperfisch8652

3 жыл бұрын

It's a board game. Just ignore that dumb rule

Sam, First of all, thank you for creating this video and sharing it with the community. Your love for the game is obvious. I agree with absolutely all of your points in the PRO's section: 1) A lot more content with little convolution This aspect probably proved to be the most challenging part in the design process, the rules of the original AIR PACK felt strange and I did feel the need to house-rule those and actually ended up creating my own set of rules for the AIR PACK. The rules for NEW FLIGHT PLAN, however, are very straight forward and were a joy to play with from day one. 2) Aeroplane models are very well done I completely agree here, they follow the same line as the EQUIPMENT PACK, same colour, etc... in reality, I use my own aeroplanes, but that is personal taste. Anyone who is unhappy that they came unpainted probably doesn't understand that painting these would jack up the price and double it. As you mentioned, the beautiful aspect or silver lining, is that one has the opportunity to paint the miniatures and that in itself is a joy. 3) I really enjoy how the Air Combat deck works I absolutely agree here, the deck itself is worth the price of the expansion. 4) The aeroplanes stick around and can be ordered as any other unit. Also agree here. As I had mentioned earlier, I had house-ruled the AIR PACK from day 2 and even allowed aeroplanes to have extra fuel and hit the pedal to the medal. However, I, personally do not agree with what you see as a con regarding Line of Sight in this expansion: 1) Some of the rules don't make thematic sense (very minor). When I first read the manual months ago, I initially shared your opinion, but when I started playing the scenarios with the new Line of Sight rules it started to make a lot of sense to me, and I prefer to play the game using the NEW FLIGHT PLAN rules without house rules. That's just me. Anyone is free to house-rule their own game. In constrast to your personal opinion, I am of the opinion that these Line of Sight rules make absolute thematic sense. Even in this video, one can see an example of a sort of air interdiction. The infantry unit would probably try to stay alive and attempt to shoot down the enemy aeroplane, rather than attack another infantry unit 2 hexes away in the forest. The rule in the Base Game manual states that if adjacent to an enemy unit, one must attack said enemy unit and not a unit that is distant. Thematically, the rules make a lot of sense to me, but it's my personal opinion, and I could be wrong. Thanks again for the amazing review! Carlos

@WARdROBEPlaysWWII

Ай бұрын

I agree. It’s somewhat thematic. When air was out and about, you kept your head down. That’s how I’ll justify it anyway! : ) good review.

Thank you for this informative and very well done review. I sincerely appreciate it.

When a combat card says "order 3 units" in a certain section and you order a fighter to deploy, does it also do its mission on the same unit order (Ex. strafing) leaving you with 2 more combat units to order, or do you have to wait until your next turn?

Great video. Thank you for taking the time to provide a thorough review of the expansion and it's effects on the gameplay. I love Memoir '44 but I wish Asmodee/Days of Wonder would get their act together when it comes to reprints and stock availability. I really think they missed a huge opportunity with the recent D-Day anniversary. Edit: out of curiosity would you recommend a second copy for overlord scale scenarios?

The fact that air units block line of sight is not only counterintuitive but actually makes it more confusing than their method for keeping it simple. It was made clear in the video but it still amazes me that they saw it as more simplistic.

@evviper24

3 жыл бұрын

True. The whole fact the standees of the aircraft are translucent should be enough to justify a deviation from the standard line of sight rule. But hey, this can simply be house-ruled for the folks who do not bother sticking to the original ones.

For the case of the ground unit wanting to attack into the trees discussed at 10:20, I think that another reason it cannot is because "You may not choose to attack a distant unit if you are adjacent to an air unit (standard close assault rule)", page 7 rulebook. I agree that the air unit also blocks line of sight. Perhaps it makes less thematic sense for the ground unit in the trees to not be allowed to attack through the air unit, but then the air unit would effectively be acting like a one-way shield for its comrades. I appreciate the simplification. Looks like fun - thanks!

Yeah, not a big fan of the LOS rule. You could explain it away by saying the air unit, being where it is, presents a closer threat to said firing unit, and that prevents the firing unit from ignoring the threat and shooting at a more distant target I suppose, if you really wanted to rationalize the rule.

I really need to get the expansions I already have played through first - but this does look cool. A definite eventual buy!

What are the movement rules? 1) How far can a plane move? 2) Are they required to move on every turn? 3) Are they allowed to stop on top of another unit (placing the units around the clear plane base)?

@SamHealey6

5 жыл бұрын

Planes enter the field of battle prescribed by the command card played on any hex in said field,, they can move 1-4 boxes, and cannot end their movement on an occupied hex.

Being a person who always wants a reason I figure plane could block line of sight if it is friendly the land unit could figure the the plane will handle the enemy why wast ammo. If it is an enemy plane you first reaction would be go for the plane 1st or take cover. Anyway this would work for me. Is there rules for using it with old scenarios? Or would that ruin play ability and or balance?

@huntervelk1056

5 жыл бұрын

The expansion claims in the rulebook that its made to be used in any and every scenario you would want to use it in that is if air support was used in those battles

@douglaspearson1647

5 жыл бұрын

@@huntervelk1056 Thanks

You should make a video about your favorite games in the commands and color series. Now that would be entertaining

If you want to continue to use the colored text for pros/cons, please revert to putting it over a black background. It's a bit hard on the eyes against that light brown. Not a deal breaker, obviously, just a minor issue. Solid review.

I think there is mistake on 6:02 when attack with magazines only, count only units types, in this case inflantry, granates doesnt counts I guess.

One of your best videos Sam! Only problem is, I'm trying to not buy more games / expansions and you're making that very difficult since I also love Memoir and have wanted the flight expansion for years and hearing this is good is tugging on my wallet. Question: Have you considered making it so any unit can shoot through air units? Do you think that would mess with the balance?

Do this come with those strange cards from another game of the series that has nothing to do like in the rest of the collection?

Is DOW going to release the other expansion in due time?

Convolution not convolusion, but it is a convoluted word so it’s understandable. ;) My question is if using this expansion with the original scenarios, do the planes change things too much? It seems like in the example you use, the plane took out a bunch of infantry. Do the planes thin out the units too much? Or do you play it with just the new scenarios ?

@jpotter2086

5 жыл бұрын

I read it as "convulsion" :D

House rule the line of sight. That is how i will handle it. I am fine with air units taking up the square. Tanks shooting at infantry through a plane zone makes more sense. Small rule change to make it right. No biggie

I just bought memoir 44. Is this a good first expansion, or do you need or recommend the others first?

@MedievalBricks1

3 жыл бұрын

Great choice, it's really fantastic game. Imho your first expansion should be terrain pack. Next new winter/desert map pack along with eastern front. With terrain pack you can try scenarios from days of wonder site. Enjoy

Painting is part of the fun!

Blocking the firing line by aircraft units is not only pointless, it introduces a rule that defies logic. Even the stands themselves are transparent. This is exactly an additional rule to remember. Using Planes as a shield for infantry ... absurd. Homerules can fix it. ;) The fact that a Plane occupies a hex can be swallowed. An air attack was a real threat to any exposed ground unit. I didn't see the rule that giving away terrain changes the chances of being hit, but what the heck - it was supposed to be simple. Thanks for review !

The thing I don't like is that you need almost all the other expansions to build the scenario's. I only own the base game so I can do 2? 3? scenarios from the book

the rules state to deploy air unit onto battlefield one must play air combat card and Section card not a tactic card. so counter attack is a tactic card , my friend therefore says you cant deploy with counter attack card even if your counter attacking a section card. i feel the tactic card changes into a section card. he is technically correct. what do others think. i will present a few more serious situation that need addressing later. thanks everybody

It includes the board?

@huntervelk1056

5 жыл бұрын

No the board come in the base game

@desdichadoperofiel9264

5 жыл бұрын

It does not include the board nor the tiles shown. Those are part of the core game.

The LOS rules is so getting house ruled...planes don’t block LOS

Planes don't block line of sight for ground units against other ground units. Problem solved

You kind of hope that the LOS ruling was made because they felt it became an issue (of whatever kind) with certain play groups after testing, not just made because some bright person deemed it necessary. Because creating a rule to solve an issue that might not be there in the first place, is due to overthinking by designers, which you can spot often in games.

@Nick_Whiskey

3 жыл бұрын

What rule was added? Figures block line of sight. Literally the same rule.

@markhorsburgh76

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nick_Whiskey planes aren't tanks or people. Everything blocks everywhere, whether on ground or in sky.

@Nick_Whiskey

3 жыл бұрын

@@markhorsburgh76 so... The same rule as every other figure, thanks for agreeing lol

@markhorsburgh76

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nick_Whiskey The point was why the decision was taken to keep it the same way, as I'm sure they tested other options. I'm not saying one is right over the other, I don't know. But planes fly over things, you get that right? Just cos a rule exists doesn't mean it necessarily fits, but if it makes for a better game to keep it that way, sure. But the argument that it would confuse people having some units differ, is the lamest argument ever. Planes.... They fly. I'll remember.

FANTASTIC VIDEO! Clearly explains the NEW FLIGHT PLAN expansion by Richard Borg.

Plane blocks line of site? WTF? I can see house ruling that foolishness.

@kommodore979

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe the planes are too distracting a threat to look beyond them? lol

@VAULT-TEC_INC.

4 жыл бұрын

I think it’s because the plans are shooting at you, your troops are ducking under cover, and they can’t see.

@timothykohl9566

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed! Planes never block of sight is not a complicated rule to remember and only makes sense.

Wow, I wasn't expecting a 10! I will have to check this out now. Looks like it adds a lot to the game, should be fun!

I figure you are the man to ask on questions for Memoir 44. I see you have one dislike. I think this is the same 1 guy on all videos and he dislikes everything

@desdichadoperofiel9264

5 жыл бұрын

reading this made me chuckle. There must be 8 of those guys now but I wouldn't let it get to you, you can't please everyone. Their problem.

10/10?!! Sam is bias!! :D But I like it too!

Thematically... feels wrong. Eg fighters fight fighters not ground units. Bombers bomb cities not ground units. Realistically fighters can occupy same space. The LoS rule is amusingly ridiculous

This was very poorly explained

No Solo = No Buy

@2011scuba

5 жыл бұрын

Want a cookie?

@darinlagarry3091

5 жыл бұрын

Plenty of solo options on BGG

@desdichadoperofiel9264

5 жыл бұрын

I don't see why you wound't be able to play this Solo. You certainly can play NFP Solo.

@polyfission2776

5 жыл бұрын

C and C games are actually very enjoyable when played solo

@MarquisDeSang

5 жыл бұрын

@@desdichadoperofiel9264 How?