I will post a video series on the topic soon. I’m still working on a format as it’s going to be very extensive. Suffice it to say, I think AJ Deus got this one wrong. Now, it’s true that there is very little evidence early on and AJ does make some great points, but he ignores some evidence, misreads other evidence and interprets his own evidence in the most extreme way possible. The weakest part of AJ Deus work is the motivation: why did they forge the Dome? He proposes a vast Jewish conspiracy to subjugate all of Humanity, which is laughable, frankly. Mel rightly tones down that aspect and has come up with his own motivation which is an improvement but still not really satisfactory. He proposes that it was simply done as pastiche, which is more plausible until you look at some of the medieval inscriptions which have been added during some renovations and then were partially removed during another renovation. That type of thing is either real or a fraud, but not pastiche. I will show that the most reasonable take is the classical one, namely that the Dome was either completed in 691 AD or construction started in 691 and it was completed a decade or so later. I will however also show that the narrative surrounding the dome is a much later development. It wasn’t built to commemorate Muhammad‘s night journey, that story didn’t exist yet. The purpose was quite a different one.

@luckytirtiono8445

2 жыл бұрын

Waiting for your more explaination, Thank you

@thewordistheonlytruth8784

2 жыл бұрын

What think about the dome of the Rock is that this building is built by The nestorian church. The quran is nestorian rooted. And it is alsó the symbol of the antichrist You must not forget de catholic church Outcasted the nestorian church They came back and make ware on rome the church. I really think that the real Mohammad was a nestorian.

@randomonlinecat5478

2 жыл бұрын

You're one of the best objective researchers out there 🙏

@flutterstone1281

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your videos and this comment! I am a fan of Jay, but I have learned to be cautious with the material he presents. It can seem like he will present any scholarship that contradicts the SIN regardless of its merit. He pushed Dan Gibson’s thesis about qiblas and was still referring to it even after it was debunked. It wouldn’t surprise me if he continues to promote it. Ironically, I first heard Gibson’s ideas challenged by Mel. I think Jay (and Mel) needs to be a little more discerning about whose ideas to promote.

@TAlexander

2 жыл бұрын

@@flutterstone1281 To be fair, I think it's a good thing to bring these theories to light. That's the best way of getting them thoroughly tested. If anything, we should be careful before adopting them. In this case, AJ Deus does raise some absolutely legitimate issues which deserve to be investigated. I think the solution he proposes is wrong, but the questions he raises still need answering. I can't answer all of them either, at least not in a satisfactory way. But I think I can still paint a more accurate picture. Still thanks to this article, I'm now aware of some white spots in my picture which I wasn't aware of before.

The Dome is a REMODELED Jewish building - they took to over and made it appear islamic like they do to churches all over! It has been added to /remodeled several times

@subramayamrvr8774

2 жыл бұрын

The fate of Indian temples has been same.

@annemurphy9339

2 жыл бұрын

I think it may have been built as a church in the Byzantine era.

@MrCheesywaffles

2 жыл бұрын

I think there were major buildings there going back to King Solomon, and maybe smaller ones much earlier than that. Post 70AD, the sacking of Jerusalem, there may have been Roman, Jewish, or Chirstian buildings but I know of no solid records of them.

@ashokannaan7167

2 жыл бұрын

Turkey president Erdogan did the same to ancient church Hagia Sophia.

@alicantuncer4800

2 жыл бұрын

It's common practice. It might as well be a Christian site before muslims took over.

The Dome of the Rock: I didn't exist until the late 9th century. Mecca: Hold my beer...

@IslamicOrigins

2 жыл бұрын

Love it, Carol! 🤣

This is a very interesting hypothesis and I really appreciate the work you've put into this Mel, but I will be interested in what the likes of Odon and Thomas Alexander have to say as well and what the final conclusion is. Dr. Jay Smith, I also really appreciate the summaries you do on each video

Absence of evidence is better than the zero evidence everyone seems to have heard previously. The bonus I see is Mel's evidence has pictures and they're worth a thousand words.

As Mel said, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." Nothing concrete has been found from the alleged time frame to support there being a dome there but it doesn't necessarily mean there was not a dome there. Furthermore, the picture of the angel with Zechariah seems to be in front of the Holy of Holies and not the whole temple.

@hobobobobo2065

2 жыл бұрын

We lawyers know full well that absence of evidence is often evidence of absence or other things. See FRE 803(7) and (10)

God bless you brother's what a lovely finding, God's spirit always with you ✝️💐🙏♥️👍

The strangest thing about Islam is that the population of people that lived in Jerusalem during the time Islam was supposed to have started have no recollection of it.

❤️👍 waiting ahead for exposing it ...

The work you guys are doing is phenomenal

“In insult towards the sons of Israel” the Greeks had converted the unhewn stone into a dunghill. The zealous Caliph, to whom this Rock was “the very first corner that was created of the whole earth,” set the example in cleansing it. He scooped up the filth, and carried it away in his robe. In this act he was warmly imitated by his officers. Then employing the “nabadhæi of Palestine,” the order was removed to the neighboring valley, outside the city, and the sacred site purified and sanctified. Around this rock ‘Omar built his mosque, the Mosque of ‘Omar, which later gave way to its celebrated successor, the present Dome of the Rock. “On this spot where the Temple once stood, near the eastern wall, the Saracens have now erected a square house of prayer, in a rough manner, by raising beams and planks upon some remains of old ruins; this is their place of worship, and it is said it will hold some three thousand men.” Source: Jacob de Haas. History of Palestine: The Last Two Thousand Years. (p. 133); This is the first description of ‘Omar’s mosque, written by Bishop Arculf, who visited Jerusalem in the reign of Mu’awiya (657-705).

So many made up stories in qur'an or Islamic teaching...

@horseradishpower9947

2 жыл бұрын

They could work for CNN... If this is true, and I suspect it is, then this does not remove the Dome from the Standard Islamic Narrative - it serves as a wrecking ball. It means that the Abassids were actively creating a religion that suited their purposes and needs. It then shows that Islam has an overwhelming illegitimacy that Christianity and Judaism lacks, because there was now synthetic generation like with Islam. This would actively destroy Islam.

@Mindovermatter0001

2 жыл бұрын

True but some of those stories were borrowed

@horseradishpower9947

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mindovermatter0001 And borrowed badly. Because it was a hasty cobbling together, to justify certain Abassid claims...

@Mindovermatter0001

2 жыл бұрын

@@horseradishpower9947 interesting

@islamicdefender641

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mindovermatter0001 u can’t prove any of it was fabricated all the hadiths sira etc is literally the history even the historian from the 7th century who lived in Muhammad’s time his name was sebeos and he mentioned Muhammad in his book stop believing in these theory lies lmao

Thank you both for sharing such an important stuff

@andreteixeira5635

2 жыл бұрын

Please help me! I am a catholic from Brazil and my elder son has converted to islam. I am studying and getting information from Jay Smith, David Wood, Al Fadi and Sam Shamoun to try to convince him out of Islam. How the information that the Dome of the Rock did not exist in the 8th century proves Islam is fake and a hoax? I did not understand the relevance of this information.

Great to see Mel back!

Tq Jay and Mel for explaining about the Dome of the rock ...

Amazing material of new information

Great discussion thank you

A brilliant paper, thanks so much!!

Very interesting. How does this change affect the change in coinage from Abd Al Malik in 691 AD? (yes, I use AD instead of CE quite deliberately :) ) While the SIN deception has been demolished it would be nice to reconstruct what actually happened, if possible. Thanks Jay and Mel (the AJ Deus).

@twnb7733

2 жыл бұрын

-----The Notre-Dame of Paris will be taken over, and remodeled as an islamic Mosque, too........

Interesting analysis with revolutionary implications!

@andreteixeira5635

2 жыл бұрын

Please help me! I am a catholic from Brazil and my elder son has converted to islam. I am studying and getting information from Jay Smith, David Wood, Al Fadi and Sam Shamoun to try to convince him out of Islam. How the information that the Dome of the Rock did not exist in the 8th century proves Islam is fake and a hoax? I did not understand the relevance of this information.

@eswn1816

2 жыл бұрын

@@andreteixeira5635 It's about Faith that comes from a genuine conviction of sin from the Holy Spirit leading to true repentance. It's not about one's choice of religion. You say that you are Catholic. Are you saved?

@andreteixeira5635

2 жыл бұрын

@@eswn1816 my Lord will tell me if I me or anyone else is saved. All I can say is I try do no my best to enter trough the narrow door. I love Jesus Christ.

How to determine age of stones and stone monuments? Radiocarbon dating is one form of isotopic dating which is applicable to rocks and is the basis for geology, archaeology and astrophysics. There are other ways to do dating , thermoluminescence dating , C1-36 dating , U-Th dating , optical dating and I- 129 dating . Any method can be chosen based on stone sample to determine date of stones used to build the monuments.

Poetry in motion … SIN sifters … shine & whine… A great time to be alive, watching the house of cards fall … Thanks to KZread for creating this awesome knowledge-sharing platform. LOL Thank you Dr J and Mel and all the venerable contributors.

It would be helpful to get the the Dome of the Rock's 1) script typing, 2) Location origin, and 3) dating from the presentation of Joe regarding the inscriptions, that would be helpful in review for the evidence of this topic.

@twnb7733

2 жыл бұрын

Wait and see---The Notre-Dame of Paris will be taken over, and remodeled as an islamic Mosque, too........

Nice Jay and Mel. Jay would be nice if you would be the editor of a volume containing these recent findings

The Dome of the Rock isn't even on the jewish temple. What is called the "Temple Mount" is really the Roman temple to Apollos and Roman Fort. The Jewish Temple was over the gihon spring. They needed water for cleaning the altar from all the blood sacrifices....

@temporaryaccount5307

2 жыл бұрын

I’m in total agreeance w u and I think archaeology and jwsh historians insinuate the same.

@AustralianChristianFascists

2 жыл бұрын

​@@temporaryaccount5307 We don't need jewish historians. Christianity knew this. Jew had been expelled from Jerusalem by first by the romans then the Christians for hundreds of years before muslims allowed them to return. The Romans completely destroyed Jerusalem and rebuilt it after the second jewish revolt. How would Jews know where the temple was to be able to go pray at the wall? They didn't. They just made it up... just like the stole the 6 pointed cross from christianity, and stole the "Evil eye" hand-eye symbol from muslims. If it was the temple mount, Christians would have have considered it a holy place, but they didn't. It would have been in our historical writings, but it isn't.

@annemurphy9339

2 жыл бұрын

I know this is a popular theory, but I have heard it rather soundly decimated by Jewish historian. There are excellent points on each side, so I leave it in God’s hands: He knows the location & will set everything right during the Millennial Reign.

@AustralianChristianFascists

2 жыл бұрын

@@annemurphy9339 "soundly decimated by jewish historians". Why would jews be the expert historians on Jerusalem, when they were only allowed to return in 1948?? Why are you worshipping Christ rejectors? and trusting them to tell the truth, when the bible warns you about them, to not listen to jewish fables.

Greetings Mel and jay. Just catching up after Easter festivities. Tell us who is AJ DEUS? What are his credentials and when does he appear in the melee?

@Basaljet

2 жыл бұрын

Why was the structure recreated yet again in the 1800s?

I like the artwork with the angel, lots of Celtic knot work around the circumference, what's the age of this artwork? Great video.

@IslamicOrigins

2 жыл бұрын

It is from the 8th century AD.

Wow ... great ...

The Crusaders seemed to have had a fascination with the Temple Mount (i.e. Knights Templar, etc.). Did they write anything about the Dome of the Rock? Did they enter it? Did they describe it? Would there be some reason to ignore what they had to say about the structures in and around this geographic location at their point in time?

I've been to the Dome, it is beautiful, the waqf even let me peek inside, which is extremely unusual.

What if the Safah and Mawah names are to mountains, and two points in the Temple area, as a symbolic reference to the mountains? What if both are correct?

@IslamicOrigins

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's what Deus meant. You have said it better than I was able to in the video. That's spot on!

@horseradishpower9947

2 жыл бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins That makes sense. But a thought just struck me... what if the supposed Safah and Mawah that are in Mecca are also symbolic references, and then got changed over time? It would make sense, as this sort of copying appears to be happening a fair bit. The Kabba dimensions at Petra are perfect for what is written in the Koran, and I wonder if it was originally meant to be a replica of the Holy of Holies from the Temple of Jerusalem. And the Black Rock of the Kabba was originally a symbolic representation of the Ark of the Covenant, having been a meteorite, thus a stone from heaven. All speculations on my side, and I am not saying I am correct in the slightest. Just putting it all out there to try and further the discourse.

Dome was once temple mount then a temple of jupiter after than it was church consecrated to Theotokos which was later converted to Islamic monument.

@TheLionFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Facts Under the dome of the Rock, was where the Fortress of Antonia stood. In 135 AD, Hadrian filled in about 50 feet of earth over top of where the temple stood and enlarged the temple mount and built a temple of Jupiter where we see the Dome of the rock today. In 325 AD Constantine tore down the Temple of Jupiter and assumed Hadrian built the temple of Jupiter on top of the spot where the temple of Solomon once stood. Constantine built an octagon church on the site. In 700 AD the Muslims found the foundations of Constantine's octagon church and built the dome of the Rock we see today. "On the Temple Mount he (Hadrian) erected a temple to Jupiter with an equestrian statue of himself in front of it." (The temple of Jerusalem, Joan Comay, 1975, p199)

@saintsm

2 жыл бұрын

@@irishheritage893 nope archaeologists confirmed that temple of jupiter was once there.

@monotheist..

2 жыл бұрын

hello brother i learner alot of stuff , i read latin vulgate manuscript the amiatinus codex the earliest latin vulgate that was complete, i read the septuagint codex , the alexandrinus, the sinaiticus, and the vaticanus, i read their manuscript online, i read gutenberg bible, actually jerome was indeed used the masoratic instead septugint , the amaitinus codex really fit with the masoratic the age of patriach even fit masoratic the isaiah 61 have no giving sight to the blind its really used masoratic even the length of sojourn fit with masoratic that was from oldest and finest codex of latin vulgate probably 700ad the amaitinus codex since jerome they used masoratic not septuagint not just luther, luther just turn to hebrew but jerome and luther both of them used masoratic , the church used it for thousand years or so, until know, the holy spirit said to be imputed and work also in the church why tehy used masoratic instead of septaugint masoratic was changed by the jew around 150 ad at zippori, cited by christian website and we know the jew changed masoratic, also they even proposed taht altar of joshua location was changed by ezra from mount gerizim like in samaritan pentateuch to mount ebal, despite mount ebal was the mount of curses, they have very interesting proof for it www.bible.ca/manuscripts/Quattuordecim-Ezra-translates-Bible-manuscripts-Paleo-Hebrew-Masoretic-Aramaic-square-corrupted-deliberate-anti-Samaritan-Mt-Gerizim-Ebal-Joshuas-Altar-458BC.htm im not saying ezra corrupt torah because we muslim believe ezra was a saint good person and why dont christian think since jew like to deliberately change holybook why dont we think taht weird story like drunkards noah or lot incest or david adultery or solomon worship false god or god killing babies or exodus at two million people as interpolation? the exodus itself said there was taxes and totaling 100 talent 1775 shekel a person paid half shekel that made it around 600.000 male 20 yo above and total israel were two million, but they have the narrative that alluding if israel were small or even would not populous enough amd would the make the land desolate if god didnt let canaan live for awhile, and other narrative genesis also cited pharaoh as egypt ruler in joseph time in the first person, the third person, and people call him pharaoh, while at the quran the ruler at josseph time was around middle kingdom period so they didn lt used pharaoh title yet, and quran just cited it as king very interesting historically accurate verses i read from somewebsite that psalm 13 or 14 depends what bible you read , verses 3 that read “ no one does good not even one their throat as an open sepulchre ……. “ and long after taht as interpolation and that was in codex vaticanus sinaiticus , i didnt see that on alexandrinus i think but that reappaear on gutenberg bible that was printed and the codex septuagint and the newest english translation septuagint put methuselah age begot his son at 167 yo not 187 that make him live after the flood and the popular modern spetuagint before nets. septuagint like brenton septuagint they have those reading like i said in pslam 13 or 14 depend what bible you read verses 3 “ no one does good not even one their throat as an open sepulchre” its in brenton the popular septuagint before the 21th century i guess but nets remove that but still tehy contain the scribal error from the codex like ahaziah age was still 20 when become king not 22 and elhanan kill goliath not the brother of goliath and the newest nets also have methuselah 167 yo and outlived the flood www.layittoheart.com/septuagint.html septuagint cant preserved the acroestic herbrew poem ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/ nets septaugint 167 yo methuselah live after the flood the quran doesnt have interpolation like bible with extra verses in new testament taht were omitted and in also old tetament taht were omitted bruce metzger book title said The new testament, its transmission , corruption and restoration we know its true bible need restoration either new testament or even old tetsament either septuagint or masoratic i read from catholic amswer taht changes were crept in into the septuagint the jew regard and see their scripture with a high view like we muslim its never change unlike new testament amd chirstian who had no problem with it and just assuming taht jesus rose from the dead was true and beside that nothing important the early church father for centuries also regarded jesus as subordinate to the father early sources doesnt have jesus said he was yahweh like scholars said many scholars said jesus was a prophet not yahweh even tertullian that proposed the idea of trinity said jesus was subordinate quran said exodus were small number of people not two million quran was send by god and have more realiable manuscript and also have good oral preservation god can send a new book if he wanted too the quran was claiming to be sent from the same god from the god of abraham and god of moses and noah etc the story are the same its not different god , they cant throw islam away amd not regarded it as abrahamic religion the quran said the sky was like a smoke in early stage and we know now the nebulae was formed first when planet about to form the quran said mountain could prevent an earthquake church father didnt realize jesus as yahweh in early age moses wouldnt commit murder like amonster im not sure why god in old tetament gave an order to kill innocent like taht smamakak

@jma7600

2 жыл бұрын

@@monotheist.. so what’s your point?

@gerrykas1795

2 жыл бұрын

@@monotheist.. You have given a long tedious rambling with no clear vision of what you are saying. Two questions: 1). When was the Koran 1st written. 2). Where in the Koran does it say that Jews changed the Torah?

Wow!!!!! 😂😂😂😂 Brilliant material

I saw a documentary some years ago about The Dome of the Rock being captured by islam. It was on TV. I would love to find it.

As the site for a future temple, David chose Mount Moriah, or the Temple Mount, where it was believed Abraham had built the altar on which to sacrifice his son Isaac. The First Temple was constructed during the reign of David's son, Solomon, and completed in 957 BC. It was apparently Abd al-Malik himself who began the work of replacing the nearby wooden structure built by Umar with the magnificent silver-domed stone mosque Al Aqsa. Its construction was to be completed by his son, Caliph Al-Walid I, in the beginning of the 8th century. The area was claimed by the waqf as a space that served in earlier Islamic periods as a place of prayer, but some saw the move as a part of a "political agenda" and a "pretext" for the Islamization of the underground space, and believed it had been instigated to prevent the site being used a synagogue for Jewish Just what was it that the Knights Templar found beneath the ruins of Solomon’s Temple? Was it a vast amount of buried treasure? Was it the location of the Ark of the Covenant? Or was it, as some firmly believe to this day, the Holy Grail? Believed to be constructed around the mid-10th Century BCE on an elevated area of ground in Jerusalem that would later come to be known as Temple Mount, Solomon’s Temple was said to be Phoenician in design. A magnificent, white marble and gold-covered building, the temple contained three chambers consisting of an outer vestibule, the main chamber and the ‘Holy of Holies’. The Holy of Holies was a small antechamber at the back of the temple where the Ark of the Covenant was traditionally thought to be kept. The Ark, as any Indiana Jones aficionado will tell you, contained two stone tablets on which were written the Ten Commandments. The jury’s still out on whether it also contained face-melting avenging angels. At the entrance to the temple stood two twenty-seven-foot-high brass pillars adorned with ornately decorated capitals. The pillars were known as Boaz and Jachin, and they stood either side of the door that led to the temple’s vestibule. Replicas of Boaz and Jachin - which in Hebrew mean ‘In Him is strength’ and ‘He will establish’ respectively - can be found in most Masonic lodges. Hiram Abiff, the chief architect of the temple, is an important figure in Freemasonry, and the order’s lodges are referred to as ‘temples’ in honor of Abiff’s greatest creation. The Temple of Solomon was not just a place of worship, but also one of ritual animal sacrifice and bizarre practices such as ‘sacred prostitution’, where pilgrims could pay to use the services of temple prostitutes who would ‘cleanse’ them of their sins by partaking in religiously sanctioned sexual intercourse. Sacred prostitution has been called into doubt by some historians who dispute the practice ever took place. The temple met its end in 587 BCE when the armies of King Nebuchadnezzar II besieged the city of Jerusalem. The city was razed to the ground and the temple, which had stood for nearly five hundred years, was completely destroyed. The Ark of the Covenant has never seen again, had it ever existed in the first place. A second, much more modest temple arose from the ashes of the first in 516 BCE. This temple would be vastly altered and turned into a huge and magnificent temple complex by Herod the Great, the king who is perhaps best known from his appearance in the Bible wherein he orders the so-called ‘Massacre of the Innocents’ at the time of the birth of Jesus Christ. Herod’s temple would eventually be destroyed by the Roman Empire in 70 BCE in retaliation for the Jewish Revolt that saw most of Jerusalem - the second temple included - reduced to rubble. Following the end of Roman rule, the Temple Mount and the ruins of the second temple were used as a huge rubbish dump for the next six hundred years. It wasn’t until the city was in Muslim hands under Caliph Abd al-Malik that the site was cleared in order that a mosque could be built in 691 CE. The mosque, known as the Dome of the Rock, would eventually be joined by the nearby Al-Aqsa mosque, completed in 705 CE. The Dome of the Rock famously stands over the Foundation Stone - a huge slab of rough bedrock on which the Jews believe Abraham attempted to sacrifice his son Isaac. It was over this stone that the Muslims built their mosque. Today, the Dome of the Rock is the third holiest shrine in Islam after Mecca and Medina.

The UNESCO done a CD with all the Sana manuscripts and also they done a PDF. It’s available for all on the net! There are only 2 illustrations. The one A.J.Deus show is damaged we can only see half of the design on the page. How he can figure that’s a tower with a dome on the top? On the second Sana illustration, it’s the same kind of design and it clearly shows a garden with trees on the top with a little small dome. Imagine a tower made only with arcades, what is the need of a door? Those 2 illustrations were just for decoration. The double square ground floor plan illustration is not part of the Sana manuscripts.

woaw ! what a wonderful travel in History and espacially in the search of the truth !

Turkey president Erdogan did the same to ancient church Hagia Sophia.

One very incorrect thing is mentioned here. The hexagram symbol which today known as the "star of David" has nothing to do with king David and is not even an early symbol of Judaism. It is nothing more than one of many mystical symbols that were used and it is only in recent centuries became more popular in Judaism (relative to other symbols). Much like the swastika (which was used long before it was adopted and corrupted by the Nazis), it was spread out through the Persian Empire and probablly originated in northern India. A proper early symbol of Judaism would be the Menorah.

@larrybedouin2921

2 жыл бұрын

Yhe star of Remphan.

God bless you always 🙏 Har Har mahadev 🙏

Hey Jay, could it possible to invite Emilio Gonzalez Ferrin to the Channel, he is the one with more authority in Spain to give us his version of the history of Al Andaluz and the Islamization of the Iberian peninsula?

That building the Sanaa manuscipt shows remindv on a late roman campanile like that in Ravenna but smaller. Maybe that building made from stone and wood was build by Abdul Malik but destroyed - maybe by earthquake or by force - and replaced by other buildings. The modern structure seems to be a tower with the golden sphere and the arches are the surportive structure.

@aaabrams1889

2 жыл бұрын

in 638 ce the Christian patriarch of Jerusalem, Sophronius, was, with good reason, fearful of the approaching muslim armies that had already cap-tured Bethlehem. the patriarch had been left in charge of the city after the Byzantine army retreated. But the slaughter and destruction he antici-pated did not occur, and the muslims took Jerusalem without bloodshed. It was not until 691, in the reign of ‘abd al-malik, the fifth umayyad caliph, that the site mentioned by the Bordeaux pilgrim, Jerome, and oth-ers was enshrined with the construction of the dome of the rock, the Qubbat Al-Sakhrah. (fig. 3.1) the dome itself, built of wood, is double-shelled and is supported by a drum pierced by sixteen windows. the drum ultimately rests on a core of four piers and twelve columns connected by arches. Beneath the dome the rock is cordoned off by a low fence, which in turn is surrounded by two ambulatories. the four entrances to the building are at the cardinal points, though the building itself has no main axis. each of its eight faces is divided into seven arched panels, form-ing the exterior walls. originally these walls were of white marble below and had multicolored gold mosaic above.5 a parapet above the ambula-tory is articulated with low arched openings, which were also originally decorated with glass mosaics. the dome, now covered in gold but at times only sheathed in lead, dominates the whole platform, and in fact much of Jerusalem.the interior decoration is copious and festive, with marble covering the inside surfaces of both the outer wall and the piers of the octago-nal arcade. the mosaics are the most stunning feature of the interior.6 they display acanthus bowls supporting garlands that twist into volutes, crowns and tiaras covered with jewels, palm trees filled with dates, and tree trunks studded with pearls and precious stones. pomegranates, olives, cherries, grapes, cucumbers, shells and stars are present, as is an occa-sional crescent.7 these mosaics comprise the largest preserved program of wall mosaics anywhere in the mediterranean from before the twelfth century, and they are certainly some of the most spectacular.85 apparently the caliph ‘abd al-malik put his financial advisor, raj’ b. haywa, and his freedman, hazid b. Salam, in charge of the building project. upon its completion, funds still remained. the unspent gold was melted down and used to gild the exterior of the dome. around 1545-6 the mosaics were replaced by a tile revetment under the auspices of Sultan Suleyman the magnificent. See gülru necipoglu, “the dome of the rock as palimp-sest,” Muqarnas 25 (2008): 38, and 60-61.6 oleg grabar, The Dome of the Rock (Cambridge: the Belknap press, 2006), 81-82. the mosaics in the lower drum have been heavily restored, though only those in the upper drum have suffered such severe restoration that the original patterns have been altered.7 grabar, The Dome of the Rock, 80-89.8 grabar, The Dome of the Rock, 80. Further reading: brill.com/downloadpdf/book/9789004230347/B9789004230347_004.xml

What I’m wondering about is the inscriptions. If they were written much later, why would they talk about Issa son of Maryam. One would expect they’ll have a much more Islamic tone to them. Anyhow looking forward to the next episode. Thanks

@andreteixeira5635

2 жыл бұрын

Please help me! I am a catholic from Brazil and my elder son has converted to islam. I am studying and getting information from Jay Smith, David Wood, Al Fadi and Sam Shamoun to try to convince him out of Islam. How the information that the Dome of the Rock did not exist in the 8th century proves Islam is fake and a hoax? I did not understand the relevance of this information.

My mind is blown

@IslamicOrigins

2 жыл бұрын

Put it back together again. There is more to come. 😁👍

in 638 ce the Christian patriarch of Jerusalem, Sophronius, was, with good reason, fearful of the approaching muslim armies that had already cap-tured Bethlehem. the patriarch had been left in charge of the city after the Byzantine army retreated. But the slaughter and destruction he antici-pated did not occur, and the muslims took Jerusalem without bloodshed. there are several accounts of what occurred next, and umar, the Second Caliph (Successor of the prophet), appears in most of them.1 Soon after the muslims entered, umar reportedly signed a treaty with Sophronius, the so-called treaty of umar. it guaranteed to the inhabitants of Jerusa-lem, in return for political submission, “the surety of their person, their goods, their churches, their crosses . . . and their cult in general.”2 umar built a modest congregational mosque on the south part of the herodian platform, a mosque that was seen by the Christian pilgrim arculf in the 670s.3 this pilgrim had also been told that the esplanade was “that famous place where the temple once stood.”4 at that time the whole of the plat-form was thought of by the muslims as a place of worship (masjid), which 1 Some scholars are wary of accepting the idea that umar actually did come to Jerusa-lem, but the texts that include him in the narrative are multiple. See andreas kaplony, The Haram of Jerusalem, 324-1099 (Stuttgart: franz Steiner Verlag, 2002), 356-357; f. e. peters, Jerusalem the Holy City in the Eyes of Chroniclers, Visitors, Pilgrims and Prophets from the Days of Abraham to the Beginning of Modern Times (princeton: princeton university press, 1985), 185.2 peter, Jerusalem the Holy City,185-6. one clause in the treaty continues the prohibi-tion against Jews living in Jerusalem, a prohibition that had been in place since 135 ce, but that clause is contradicted by all the other evidence. mann thinks that the clause prohibit-ing the Jews from residing in Jerusalem is not genuine, or it was just not carried out. or, as shown above, Jews entered surreptitiously. there are some talmudic references to visits of Jews to Jerusalem after Constantine and before the muslim conquest, so perhaps even the hadrianic-Constantinian edict forbidding Jews entry into Jerusalem was not always enforced. Jacob mann, The Jews in Egypt and in Palestine Under the Fatimid Caliphs, vol. 1 (london: oxford university press 1969), 42-5.3 this would of course be the original “mosque of omar,” a name that has migrated on occasion to the dome of the rock, which neither is a mosque nor has anything to do with umar.4 Quoted in peters, Jerusalem the Holy City,195.

@borneandayak6725

2 жыл бұрын

None of this prove Islam or Sunni or Dome of The Rock. You are talking nonsense 😴😴😴

@aaabrams1889

2 жыл бұрын

@@borneandayak6725 If you agree with Mel, (i.e. a Dome over the Temple Mount foundation rock) is not until the late 9th century, then both of you should see a psychiatrist. This notes here was copied from the research of Pamela Berger. MORE NOTES it was not until 691, in the reign of ‘abd al-malik, the fifth umayyad caliph, that the site mentioned by the Bordeaux pilgrim, Jerome, and oth-ers was enshrined with the construction of the dome of the rock, the Qubbat Al-Sakhrah. (fig. 3.1) the dome itself, built of wood, is double-shelled and is supported by a drum pierced by sixteen windows. the drum ultimately rests on a core of four piers and twelve columns connected by arches. Beneath the dome the rock is cordoned off by a low fence, which in turn is surrounded by two ambulatories. the four entrances to the building are at the cardinal points, though the building itself has no main axis. each of its eight faces is divided into seven arched panels, form-ing the exterior walls. originally these walls were of white marble below and had multicolored gold mosaic above.5 a parapet above the ambula-tory is articulated with low arched openings, which were also originally decorated with glass mosaics. the dome, now covered in gold but at times only sheathed in lead, dominates the whole platform, and in fact much of Jerusalem.the interior decoration is copious and festive, with marble covering the inside surfaces of both the outer wall and the piers of the octago-nal arcade. the mosaics are the most stunning feature of the interior.6 they display acanthus bowls supporting garlands that twist into volutes, crowns and tiaras covered with jewels, palm trees filled with dates, and tree trunks studded with pearls and precious stones. pomegranates, olives, cherries, grapes, cucumbers, shells and stars are present, as is an occa-sional crescent.7 these mosaics comprise the largest preserved program of wall mosaics anywhere in the mediterranean from before the twelfth century, and they are certainly some of the most spectacular.85 apparently the caliph ‘abd al-malik put his financial advisor, raj’ b. haywa, and his freedman, hazid b. Salam, in charge of the building project. upon its completion, funds still remained. the unspent gold was melted down and used to gild the exterior of the dome. around 1545-6 the mosaics were replaced by a tile revetment under the auspices of Sultan Suleyman the magnificent. See gülru necipoglu, “the dome of the rock as palimp-sest,” Muqarnas 25 (2008): 38, and 60-61.6 oleg grabar, The Dome of the Rock (Cambridge: the Belknap press, 2006), 81-82. the mosaics in the lower drum have been heavily restored, though only those in the upper drum have suffered such severe restoration that the original patterns have been altered.7 grabar, The Dome of the Rock, 80-89.8 grabar, The Dome of the Rock, 80.

@gerrykas1795

2 жыл бұрын

Abram, you mean there were Muslims in 638?

@aaabrams1889

2 жыл бұрын

@@gerrykas1795 EDUCATE YOURSELF and you'll see that ISLAM STARTED with creation and with all the prophets - from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Thousands of Prophets (peace on them all) and Mohammad (saw) COMPLETED the religion. PROOF - Here is a video I collected from a History Professor who lectures to academics at Israeli Universities. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqtmt8R_YJSog9o.html

What a great video this series is going to literally destroy Islam historically.

I would LOVE to see you guys work over the 'Temple in the City of David' theory

@vicmath1005

2 жыл бұрын

@Head Roaster The City of David, almost certainly, not in Judea.

@twnb7733

2 жыл бұрын

@@vicmath1005 In Zion.

But dont you think that Carolingian illustration (9th century?) of the Temple looks awfully much like a domed building, not that tall even, that is to say almost exactly like the Dome of the rock? Sure it lacks the arcades, but how extremely precise could this illustration really be. The Umayyad tower depicted in the Sanaa fragments could be built anywhere. Why in Jerusalem? Why not Damascus, etc.?

This structure may have been originally built by Umar in the 7th century but it is possible that the structure was in ruins or it may have deterioted and may have been destroyed by invaders or demolished and rebuilt in the 18th century again.

In year 638 CE , the city of Jerusalem was surrendered by Bishop Sophronius to Caliph Umar Ibn Al khattab by giving him keys to the city after signing of peace agreement without any fight . Jewish Rabbi Kaab Al Ahbar who had accompanied Caliph Umar Ibn Al Khattab from Medina had guided him to the location of dome of rock known as Rock of Saqra which was desecrated by Christians by dumping rubbish because it was a holy site for the Jewish within the temple which was destroyed by Roman general Titus in 70 AD of sacking of Jerusalem. Caliph Umar Bin Khattab ordered to clean the place and built a temporary wood structure to mark to location as Holy Rock . Later on in 686CE, dome of rock was built by caliph Abd Al Malik Ibn Marwan , the same structure which we see today In Jerusalem as the Golden Dome Mosque

hello friends, explore the city of Derbent, the Arabs tried to capture it from the Persians many times, and only after a large number of attempts they took it and there was a reconstruction made by them, there is also an ancient mosque here, if you need any information, from this city I can help you

@IslamicOrigins

2 жыл бұрын

What is the interest?

@magamaga6911

2 жыл бұрын

I live not far from this city and often visit there, so I ask good historians to take up such material

This is really a challenge to the Standard Islamic Narrative and the Muslim Scholars and Hstorians have to come up with evidence to refute all these claims, which are all based on verifiable evidence, which is something that is mission from Islamic sources and narratives.

@andreteixeira5635

2 жыл бұрын

Please help me! I am a catholic from Brazil and my elder son has converted to islam. I am studying and getting information from Jay Smith, David Wood, Al Fadi and Sam Shamoun to try to convince him out of Islam. How the information that the Dome of the Rock did not exist in the 8th century proves Islam is fake and a hoax? I did not understand the relevance of this informatio.

The victors truly write the Hsitory, not the Historians, for the most part, pre-1700’s.

You guys, Dome of the Rock was built after the Muslims took Jerusalem by the general of the army of Islam at that time and as far as I know, it is written about in the writings of several of his contemporaries. Why are you saying that the standard narrative is 600 or 700AD?

Study that it was first The temple of Domani of Jupiter

@TheLionFarm

2 жыл бұрын

"Under the dome of the Rock, was where the Fortress of Antonia stood. In 135 AD, Hadrian filled in about 50 feet of earth over top of where the temple stood and enlarged the temple mount and built a temple of Jupiter where we see the Dome of the rock today. In 325 AD Constantine tore down the Temple of Jupiter and assumed Hadrian built the temple of Jupiter on top of the spot where the temple of Solomon once stood. Constantine built an octagon church on the site. In 700 AD the Muslims found the foundations of Constantine's octagon church and built the dome of the Rock we see today. "On the Temple Mount he (Hadrian) erected a temple to Jupiter with an equestrian statue of himself in front of it." (The temple of Jerusalem, Joan Comay, 1975, p199)"

Well, this is really shocking stuff. It puts in doubt, at least, all we thought we knew about the construction of the Dome on the Rock and therefore the dates we have for the new Muhammad religion.

Live not by lies! An African proverb says that a house built using sputum to mix the igredients will collapse with the onset of the dew. The dew has streted to fall. Islam, no umbrella can cover you.

@aaabrams1889

2 жыл бұрын

Live not by lies! Is what you should tell those evil missionaries not to give false testimony.

The argument with the picture from that Frankish manuscript makes no sense. Medieval people had no idea what Solomon's Temple looked like - they just represented it with corresponding structures from their surroundings. Heck, look at pretty modern depictions of the Temple in Russian Orthodox iconography - just google "king Solomon Russian icon". Its depicted as a typical Russian Orthodox Church!

Good job guys. My research is sending me to believe that the altercation/disagreement between the Trinitarian and non trinitarian beliefs and the addition of the paganism into the Christianity made some people wanting to include rituals and practices done by them. Gnosticism + None Trinitarianism + Nestorianism + Zoroastrianism + ... = Islam We know that The Arabians(Ghassanids and Lakhmids) even tough they where from Yemen, they served different parties, while the Ghassanids connected with the Nestorians , the Ghassanids were the rulers of Syria and supported Monophysite. Nestorians and Monophysites replaced the Byzantine bishops. The Jews were given Jerusalem. Many of the churches were destroyed and the reliquary of the true cross was shipped to Persia. However the Sassanians still minted coins in Egypt in a Christian form. I am trying to find out what religion the first leaders follow. My belive is that all were None Trinitarian Christians: The inscription in Ta'if reads: li'Abd Allah Muawiya Amir al-muminin Muawiya’s successors Abd al-Malik, al-Walid, Sulayman, Hisham and Marwan all used the same protocol. The term Abd Allah is translated as "Servant of God". The Persian rulers claimed descendancy from the gods. With Abd Allah, the Arabs were firmly declaring themselves to be servants of god not descendants. The term Caliph/Khalifa, used in the historicising Abassid literature, does not appear in the written witnesses to the early period. Muawiya’s rulership, the exciting life history of the pugilistic prophet of the Arabians was not yet known. Writing his Aramaic name, it was clear that as leader Muawiya did not have to be an Arab. Muawiya was only able to ensure his authority in the West by returning to an Arabian tradition of connecting authority with the protection of a holy place. As a Christian, he chose the tomb of John the Baptist and his Basilica in Damascus, There is a coin from Jerusalem at the time of Muawiya. It shows an image of the ruler holding a cross. On the reverse in Greek is the legend "belonging to Jerusalem". The dissolution of the Sassanian dynasty sealed the fate of Zoroastrianism. The living religion from now on in Iran was Nestorian Christianity. When the Lakhmid rulers of al-Hira accepted Christianity, the Arabian Christians from that era saw the completion of the Arabian Christian state. The Arab defenders of Christianity took power in the continuation of the war against Byzantium. The Arabian emirs fought over Darabjird as the former royal residence of the Sassanians. In 41(661), Muawiya appeared and was acclaimed the first Amir-I wurroyisningan. A new Christian movement intended to unite all the Christians of the Arabian Empire was announced by a demand that an understanding of Jesus as the muhammad be adopted. This demand was preceded by another, namely that Jesus be conceived as Abd Allah. The idea of Jesus as Abd Allah is reminiscent of the position of Arians who came from Antioch. It can also be found later in the inscription on the Dome of the Rock which states, along with the date of 72 (691)following the Arabian era, muhmmadan Abdu Ilahi wa- rasuluhu (referring to Jesus). Coins have been found bearing the motto muhammad in Arabic alongside MHMT in Pahlavi script. They appear to be from Azerbaijan. Scholars until now have rarely understood the inscriptions with the motto Abd Allah and the motto muhammadan as pointers to Jesus and his status as Abd Allah ("the servant of God") in the sense of east Syrian theology; just as rarely have they understood the categorisation of Jesus as muhammadan ("chosen or praised"). The muhammadanism of Abd al-Malik cannot simply be equated with Nestorianism. His muhammadanism derives much more from the Arabian understanding of Syrian theology that arose as the tribal religion of the Mesopotamian and Iranian Arabs. Abd al-Malik saw himself as a competitor with the Byzantines in the debate over the nature of Christ. He inscribed his own Ekthesis in the Temple shrine he had built, the "Repository of the Rock" in 72(691). The Emperor Justinian II called himself "servant of Christ" on his coin inscriptions. Abd al-Malik answered his practice calling himself Kalifat Allah or speaker for God. My research is telling me that the Umayyads and the Abassids were None Trinitairian Christians that wanted to write their own scripture.

@magamaga6911

2 жыл бұрын

Can you tell us in more detail about the sources of your research, where did you come to such conclusions? And why then the dispute over the prophecy between the Umayyads and the Abasids? All according to the Abasid version (Shiites) they follow directly through Christ (Ali), saying that Muhammad foreshadowed him

@cascarrabias397

2 жыл бұрын

@@magamaga6911 I have different books, that I am using, specially the ones written in German and French. I am looking for the ones written by Spanish authors, I am sure they have some on the topic. Is a long process because the Muslims wrote to many bad sources. I love the work of Volker Popp, "From Ugarit to Samarra", Karl-Heinz Ohlig, and several others.

@magamaga6911

2 жыл бұрын

@@cascarrabias397 Muhammad ali Amir moezzi, in my opinion, is the best, whose version coincides with the actions that occur on the coins, he sings one-on-one what you wrote, claims you read the "Koran of the Istlriks" with his co-authorship?do you think the Spanish sources are the most accurate?

Interesting observations but if Mel/Deus are right then the inscriptions are much later than the time of Abd al-Malik. If so there are two questions that need to be answered: 1. Why are the inscriptions not identical with similar passages in the Qur'an? and 2. How could Joe from Red Judaism and Alexander Thomas both conclude that "Muhammad" in the inscriptions do not refer Prophet Muhammad? It is evident that some of these people are too biased in the way they perform their research.

@IslamicOrigins

2 жыл бұрын

Great questions, Peter! Regarding question 1, I think it is possible that we didn't see a similar quran because we were looking for one in the wrong era. Regarding question 2, Deus provides an answer: it was a response to 16th Century messiah-wannabee, Mollo Kabiz's proposal that Islam accept Jesus as above Muhammad. The inscription was a compromise position, hence the copious reference to Jesus

@aaabrams1889

2 жыл бұрын

Peter - 1. Where are the inscriptions not identical with similar passages in the Qur'an? 2. Joe from Red Judaism and Alexander Thomas are lying and biased and make-up their own theories to malign Islam - it is as simple as that.

WHAT? "The Dome of the Rock isn't from the 7th century???!!!" Is Mel getting Senile at such a young age while looking that old? Is Mel throwing Joe's "Red Judaism" theories under the bus? HE STATED: (Reply in Brackets) This first video concerns what Deus has found, and introduces 7 areas which confront everything we had assumed to be true, what Mel calls the "Dome of the Rock's 7 Holes": 1.Our earliest reference to a Dome of the Rock (i.e. a Dome over the Temple Mount foundation rock) is not until the late 9th century. >>> (((Meaning what - "The Dome of the Rock isn't from the 7th century???!!!"...ha ha ha Hello!!! - the TIMELINE is from 610, the Sassanid Empire drove the Byzantine Empire out of the Middle East, giving the Jews control of Jerusalem for the first time in centuries. The Jews in Palestine were allowed to set up a vassal state under the Sassanid Empire called the Sassanid Jewish Commonwealth which lasted for five years. Jewish rabbis ordered the restart of animal sacrifice for the first time since the time of Second Temple and started to reconstruct the Jewish Temple. Shortly before the Byzantines took the area back five years later in 615, the Persians gave control to the Christian population, who tore down the partially built Jewish Temple edifice and turned it into a GARBAGE DUMP, which is what it was when the Rashidun Caliph Umar took the city in 637. In 637 Muslim Arabs besieged and captured the city from the Byzantine Empire, which had defeated the Persian forces and their allies, and reconquered the city and cleared the rubbish from the Temple Mount and built the main Islamic buildings on the mount.))) YOU STATED 2.Our earliest verifiable witness to the Dome of the Rock's mosaics, and the inner arcade inscriptions as they presently exist today is not until 1523-1543AD. >>>(((The Rashidun Caliph Umar was led to the place reluctantly by the Christian patriarch Sophronius. He found it covered with rubbish, but the sacred Rock was found with the help of a converted Jew, Ka'b al-Ahbar. Al-Ahbar advised Umar to build a mosque to the north of the rock, so that worshippers would face both the rock and Mecca, but instead Umar chose to build it to the south of the rock. It became known as the Al-Aqsa Mosque. According to Muslim sources, Jews participated in the construction of the haram, laying the groundwork for both the Al-Aqsa and Dome of the Rock mosques. YOU STATED 3.The earliest witnessed inscription concerning who built the Dome was from 1523-1543AD, and it tells us that Umar, the Jewish king from Hira in Iraq, built it, not Abd al-Malik! ((( The first known eyewitness testimony is that of the pilgrim Arculf who visited about 670. According to Arculf's account as recorded by Adomnán, he saw a rectangular wooden house of prayer built over some ruins, large enough to hold 3,000 people. In 691 an octagonal Islamic building topped by a dome was built by the Caliph Abd al-Malik around the rock, for a myriad of political, dynastic and religious reasons, built on local and Quranic traditions articulating the site's holiness, a process in which textual and architectural narratives reinforced one another. The shrine became known as the Dome of the Rock (قبة الصخرة, Qubbat as-Sakhra). (The dome itself was covered in gold in 1920.) In 715 the Umayyads, led by the Caliph al-Walid I, built the Aqsa Mosque (المسجد الأقصى, al-Masjid al-Aqsa, lit. "Furthest Mosque"), corresponding to the Islamic belief of Muhammad's miraculous nocturnal journey as recounted in the Quran and hadith. The term "Noble Sanctuary" or "Haram al-Sharif", as it was called later by the Mamluks and Ottomans, refers to the whole area that surrounds that Rock.)))

@borneandayak6725

2 жыл бұрын

And where is your source came from? Are you creating a myth by myth? The whole narrative of your religion is based on legend anf myth.

@aaabrams1889

2 жыл бұрын

@@borneandayak6725 DO YOUR RESEARCH

@Dorfapoligetik

2 жыл бұрын

any references or proofs?

@gerrykas1795

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaabrams1889 You present myths as evidence and then tell others to do their research? How about you present evidence of your myths first.

@aaabrams1889

2 жыл бұрын

@@gerrykas1795 MYTHS?...HA HA HA Proof to me that's myths!

I read that Ebionites regard Jesus as a true prophet but do not accept his divinity. Could muslims be modern-day Ebionites with a mixture of Abbassid-made Muhammad?

@temporaryaccount5307

2 жыл бұрын

Mzms are both Arabs and Romans, which came when Esau married ishamel’s daughter. When u think about how both groups hated Jesus so much, it all makes perfect sense.

Than the dome of rock is from pre historic dinosaur time ! The hypothesis is believable! 👽

:)) Doggedly dutiful data diggers - and the truth marches on. Bless you brothers Mel and Jay. Word up ((:

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the dome of the rock was built by ummayad caliph abd al-malik but the actual inscriptions were inscribed on al-ma'mun's orders. We know this because the script dialect is kufic instead of hijazi. not sure why the year is decared 2 and 70 (72)

@az-wr1lb

2 жыл бұрын

@mysotiras 011 I'm guessing the ummayads have documented history

@az-wr1lb

2 жыл бұрын

@mysotiras 011 if they survived the destruction of andalusia then they probably stored their documented history safely

@az-wr1lb

2 жыл бұрын

so do you believe brittanica...or some random crossworshipper desperately seeking fame and fortune?

@az-wr1lb

2 жыл бұрын

links deleted. joy

@az-wr1lb

2 жыл бұрын

//@mysotiras 011 : Surely they took their documents with them, but I have never heard of any Jewish document that speaks of the building of the Dome of the Rock. // WHAT??? the supposed location of the jewish holiest of the holies and there is no mention of the dome of the rock? That puts your rabbies' claims of the temple mount in serious doubt. Recall jews were expelled jerusalem after bar kokhba and not allowed to return until muslims conquered palestine in 638CE

You would think that the Jews would have mentioned this structure being built. What do their sources say??

A hardened steel wrench jammed into the bronze spider gears of the historical clock all have been working with. One wonders how long the Muslims hold on that location can be sustained? I had the thought once that engineers could have done to that location what they accomplished for the temples at Aswan and ship the pieces to Mecca to be rebuild there. Now, it will be to just ask them to vacate the premises. As more info comes forward they just might leave without being asked. || Now in the late 600's a man who was a deacon in the church at Jerusalem was excommunicated from the church because he as a stone mason was hired to work on the Temple Platform to assist in the production of a place of worship for the Muslims. With this new information what that man was put out of the church for Was Not construction on the Dome. It has been noted that the architecture is Byzantine, maybe not directly but was copied, which could mean vastly later than the 600's. Greek Orthodox emulate the configuration of the San Sophia using the octagon configuration for their domes capped by a much smaller dome over the octagon. Therefore using the architecture as a means of dating is bad logic, if the style is still emulated in 2022.

Mel manages to use quantum mechanics to explain why the dome was there yet not there

@IslamicOrigins

2 жыл бұрын

I couldn't resist. 🤣👍😁

@aaabrams1889

2 жыл бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins You can't even see the deeper meaning Steve Spence is saying. Stop looking as far as your nose.

Who removed the diacritical marks on the Arabic?

Dear Dr Jay, please give your Short Summary on Jesus compare to Allah of Islam. Below is my thought after following you for a long time. If the contents of the Quran are considered valid from Allah. And Muslims claim that Islam fulfills the previous books. So Muslims must accept the fact that Christians can claim that Allah has changed the LAW OF LOVE by giving new verses to hate non-believers, chopping off their heads, hands, fingers is very fatal. So that Christians are increasingly convinced of Jesus' prophecies about the false prophets and gospels based on the antichrist. Further About The Truth Of The Gifts Of Dreams, Visions And Voices Of Jesus Are Certain And In Accordance With The Reality That His Miracles Are Still Occurring To This Day Until Jesus Will Come As A Just Judge. Thank you Sir for all of your lectures and videos.

so call Christianity name started through who-? Acts 11 ► New International Version Par ▾ Peter Explains His Actions 1The apostles and the believers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him 3and said, “You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them.” 4Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story: 5“I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. 7Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’ 8“I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ 9“The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’ 10This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again. 11“Right then three men who had been sent to me from Caesarea stopped at the house where I was staying. 12The Spirit told me to have no hesitation about going with them. These six brothers also went with me, and we entered the man’s house. 13He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. 14He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.’ 15“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. 16Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with a water, but you will be baptized with b the Holy Spirit.’ 17So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?” 18When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.” The Church in Antioch 19Now those who had been scattered by the persecution that broke out when Stephen was killed traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, spreading the word only among Jews. 20Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus. 21The Lord’s hand was with them, and a great number of people believed and turned to the Lord. 22News of this reached the church in Jerusalem, and they sent Barnabas to Antioch. 23When he arrived and saw what the grace of God had done, he was glad and encouraged them all to remain true to the Lord with all their hearts. 24He was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and faith, and a great number of people were brought to the Lord. 25Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, 26and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch. 27During this time some prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch. 28One of them, named Agabus, stood up and through the Spirit predicted that a severe famine would spread over the entire Roman world. (This happened during the reign of Claudius.) 29The disciples, as each one was able, decided to provide help for the brothers and sisters living in Judea. 30This they did, sending their gift to the elders by Barnabas and Saul.

'Christianity' has the same problem that authorities have superimposed their ideas on doctrine, and these 'Myths in so-called Christianity', are a series of Ytube videos on my site Simon John Skinner.

It looks like Ottoman period…

All that ramadan and fasting for nothing

Hayee j. Don't laugh like a fullis buddy.

Register and Vett those that are allowed to pray there, like they do in Mecca. Earn Foriegn exchange in the process. Not every tom, dick and harry gets to pray there...

@magatism

2 жыл бұрын

@mysotiras 011 My point is stop free access, like Saudi does in Mecca.

Muslims need to know the gospel and Christian teachings! For videos on how to share them click on our green icon to the left for a 2 minute intro.

Has anyone looked into why Jesus’ name in the Qur’an is based off his Greek name (Iesous) when he’s called Yeshu in the Aramaic speaking churches?

@TheLionFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Linguistics

When i start look this video God put in my mind pics wich i was look before how in Islamic world peoples was had outfit 60/70, they was in modern outfit like all world had in this time. Why i write this because we know that in Islamic world was changing happened not to faraway in history line. Maybe God want tell you something about that.

I'm sure that there's an enterprising Muslim somewhere who can provide photographic evidence of the dome of the rock being in place in the 7th century... 😉

test

Jay Smith and Melbelieve in three gods.

@IslamicOrigins

2 жыл бұрын

You never fail to bore. Repetition IS a key feature of your holy book. Allah would make a terrible dinner guest.

@garybowings1538

2 жыл бұрын

Alonzo Harris worships Muhammed (PBRB).

@rockydsouza5304

2 жыл бұрын

Your god has taught you the art of copy and paste?????

Jesus is Muhammad(the Praised-One), fool. A point was made but you guys missed it altogether due your poor reading skills. But the adults in the room know that Muhammad is not a given name but a substitute title, a euphemism for Christ/Messiah. Since Jesus is said to be that Christ, then Jesus is Muhammad. We make the difference between Islam and the Arab-Qureishites propaganda contained in the Hadiths, and the "Sira Rassul Allah," etc... That marketing gimmick was meant to capitalize on the pilgrimage to Mekka and not as historical facts. Kaabahism therefore is not Islam! We also know that when someone writes a Constitution like the Constitution of Medina, receive embassies, passes legislations, proclaims a tax Codes, raises an armies, signs treaties, etc... with some neighborhood nations, that person is in a role of a Founding Father like George Washington, Caesar Augustus or Alexander the Great, etc... We don't take the word "Prophet" in the literal sense. So, If you have ever wondered why a substitute title was needed for Jesus and a name shifting for the Arabian Founding Father, here you have it: "Your people don't want to hear about Jesus. And when His name is mentioned, lo! your people burst into clamor thereby..." create an OPTICAL ILLUSION: We(the Children of Israel) send you, O Abu Quasim, among your own people so that they may believe in ournGod and His Messiah/Muhammad/Christ/Al-Massih, help Him, praise Him(Muhammad/the Praised-One), sing for Him evening and morning...." "Remember when Jesus asked, "who will assist me in the way of God? The disciples replied: 'we shall be the helpers of God. Bear witness we are Muslims.'" By the way, According to Acts 11:26 is a Christian he who believes Jesus to be the Messiah, that is to say Christ, foretold by Moses in the Torah but rejected by Israel. "I will send the Christ/Messiah, a Prophet/Messenger like you Moses, Him, they must listen...." Deut.18:15-19 The word CHRISTIAN was coined in Antioch of Syria and not in Athens, Rome, or Boston. In that sense, Muslims are Christians because for Islam Jesus is the Christ announced in the Law and the Prophets, born of the Virgin Mary. You may as well check the Transfiguration in Matthew 17:1-13 where Jesus "oversees" a meeting between Moses the Lawgiver and someone who would ratify the same Law for the Arabs(the descendants of Ishmael). In Genesis, Abraham was promised many Princes for Ishmael. So the Muslims are Christians certainly not of Paul's Tradition, yet still Christians but the Americans are not... Every American should know, then, that If Jesus is Lord, it stands to reason that Nature's god is NOT. Yet, Nature's god in the Jefferson Bible and in the so-called 'Declaration Of Independence" claims just that... And this is the official position of the American government because Thomas Jefferson was the 3rd President of the United States and is the one who penned the so-called "declaration of independence" which became the Law of the land in the Constitution. Nature's god in the Jefferson Bible inspired the "Bill Of rights" and specially the First Amendment which states that every religion under nature is as valid as the next; this is why polytheism and Idol worship enjoy special protection under Natural Law which pushed out Canonical Law or Sharia Law. Nature's god states that Jesus did not resurrect because there is no such thing as resurrection of the dead; men die and worms take care of their bodies and that, most surely, wild dogs took care of Jesus' body. Nature's god claims that there is no supernatural, no miracles, no virginal birth, no revealed Law since Laws are a construct of societies and each society makes its own laws in accordance with its need. That the Ten Commandments were not revealed and are no better than the Law of Hammurabi. For Thomas Jefferson, the Apostle of Nature's god, Nature's god instituted government on earth to distribute rights without responsibity: right to liberty from morality, right to pursue happiness, happiness for all(We wonder how government will enforce happiness which is not a tangible good), and right to life... Paul, Jesus-Christ's Apostle to the "Pax Romana," on other hand instructed us that Government was instituted on earth by God to keep order, render Justice for the equality of the Children of God in view of the Last Judgment. Nature's god insists that Life stops here and that there is NO immortality: "Let's eat and drink for tomorrow we die, and nothing awaits us after death. Don't be missing out..." Jesus said man was born corrupted and can purify himself with the means God put at his disposal. Nature's god however holds that man was born perfect but got corrupted by government. We wonder If all the jails built across their lands are only for members of government. Nature's god is truly Satan who set out to contradict the True God on every single line! So If you are an American you should worry about the subversive nature of the American founding documents, America's Nature's god, and the fate of your impious founding fathers who worked hard to mislead mankind away from the Gospel. Enough of that circular reasoning. Please worry not about Islam; it has been around for more than 1000 years. I am just wondering If America would be around that long...!!!

basis of islam is QURAN which is preserved according to 15:9 had a challenge for non believers 2:23 and bases of islam is Makkah and Madina which is from the time of prophet p.b.u.h dome of rock hs nothing to do with QURAN Makkah and Madina

@temporaryaccount5307

2 жыл бұрын

Basis of Islam is not the Q. Most of what u say and do isn’t in the Q. A perfect example: show me in ur Q ur today’s shahadah. Furthermore, this channel (and others) have repeatedly proven that Mecca and Medina are NOT from the time of mhamed, as well as, couldn’t possibly be the base of Islam. One of their best arguments is that there’s no water or trade routes. How can u have a booming city w no water or trade? U can’t.

@ankur7773

2 жыл бұрын

QURAN ONLY EVIL BOOK.

@TheLionFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Islam came so late like 600s no sources of BC time Wonder why? Oh because Islam is idolity and an abomination

@rockydsouza5304

2 жыл бұрын

Abdooool stop smoking

@Taimurkhan4u

2 жыл бұрын

@@temporaryaccount5307 QURAN is the word of GOD even its shortest chapter 108 proves it how many words in this chapter? 10 how many letters in each verse? 10 the first letter alaf أ repeats how many times? 10 each verse ends with which arabic letter? tenth letter ر there is so much more about this shortest chapter of QURAN i m shearing only this now 2:23 here is the challenge write a chapter like 108 which has only 10 words having 10 letters in each verse the first letter أ repeats its self 10 times and each verse ends with tenth arabic letter ر it is impossible for a human to write a single verse like QURAN. This is called proof not like him bla bla bla and u r right there is no water in makkah before 7th century because zam zam well lost in time after ibrahim p.b.u.h and was re digged by the grandfather of Muhammad p.b.u.h.

Don't forget at the end of it all Islam is a true religion BUT the false words of the true God. God did not create religion God created love.❤

@temporaryaccount5307

2 жыл бұрын

What?

@annemurphy9339

2 жыл бұрын

Islam is completely false: false prophet, false god, false holy book, false/UNgodly doctrine and law.

@TheLionFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Islam is an abomination like baal worship

*Jesus is the word of God, the first Begotten Son of God, He is Divine, but still created (Reveletion of John 3:14 Proverbs 8:30) by the Almighty Lord JEHOVAH. Everything else created by JESUS That is why Jesus said to him who saw me,He saw the Father. And the Holy Spirit is the active force of the Lord GOD.* *Be wise* The Trinity is a false teaching. WAKE UP! i was a victim for almost 54 years. JEHOVAH is only true God and His Word is *JESUS CHRIST* i pray to open Your eyes in *JESUS* name- *AMEN!*

@aaabrams1889

2 жыл бұрын

Your Jesus could not rebuilt the Temple ...ha ha ha Muslims had to do it.

Fantastic discovery. More muslim s will leave Islam

The Dome of the Rock was built in the 18th century by the crusades who invaded what we call now palestine. The formed what we call now Islamic religion