Makoto maximising damage to gain the most out of this chaos while not exposing himself isn't plotholes or poor writing like many try claiming. See my full uncut live reactions to the episodes over on Patreon www.patreon.com/BrandonReviews

@Haiyami

3 ай бұрын

I agree. There is build up. And while I do think pacing is odd and the adaptation sorta jumbles things around. I think the slow burn world building is doing a good job.

@adtopkek4826

2 ай бұрын

Why should you be a self sacrificing hero when the people you are saving are screwing you over? Let them come to you for help and let them know you are capable of helping but just aren't. Then you got leverage.

@jonglopez5400

2 ай бұрын

@@adtopkek4826 he just doesn't care. in this isekai, he cares a lot more on non-humans in general than the race that the shitty goddess cares about. It is not about the immediate gains, it is the opposite. Remember that the power structures here are different than what you are assuming. Him becoming more popular in the human realm with certainly make the shitty goddess notice her more and will probably get in his way in his every waking moment. He need to balance out his infamy in where he can be safe from the goddess's influence, demon's manipulations, and hyuman's heirarchy all at the same time while protecting the his important demi-humans and achieving his personal objectives.

@jonglopez5400

2 ай бұрын

​@@adtopkek4826 also remember he was grilled* by the merchant guild just because they are jealous of his outstanding performance despite of him having a great backer. The demons double crossed him by telling a half truth, and not the whole truth. who's to say that the royal family( or his confidantes) won't do the same thing to him after all this mess? He better off do his own thing without the help of external forces(non-demihumans).

@c.c.8391

2 ай бұрын

In season two, they skipped plot points on the weird laws the goddess made, one of which led to many girls trying to use him for his money as the world he isekai'd to has a weird business-only arranged marriage system where girls can use this to leach off all his money, steal his fame, and basically NTR him as these girls think he is too ugly to officially marry and want his money(None of the main heroines just random girls who approach him). He freaked out and avoided them before they could use him. So you are correct. From my understanding, the plot for this season is to set up his anger at the unjust systems of the world he isekai'd to and to set up character and world-building.

Makoto is probably the most realistic character in any Isekai. The man has been pushed to the limits of tolerance in dealing with everyone’s bs to the point that anything could set him off.

@AHBrandonReviews

3 ай бұрын

he's up there for me that's for sure

@Haiyami

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. I think the writing is fine. I do have some complaints on certain areas of focus from the adaptation that left out a few important bits from the manga/light novels, but I can gloss over that. For those paying attention you see a build up Makoto dealing with crap. Isi it excellent world building? Anime wise I'd say there is some work as the focus of certain characters for too long affects pacing and flow but we have nice paced build up that isn't too fast and not really slow (like DBZ slow). But it is still a good anime. As long as the anime doesn't rush then I'm fine.

@SuperiorPosterior

3 ай бұрын

Makoto feels like Rimuru, if Rimuru ever became 100% fed up. Like, not just a massive spike of anger and/or hatred at an army of humans attacking his town, destroying them to ascend to full Demon Lord status, but outright _apathy_ towards humans. If Rimuru were like Makoto, I could see a point in time where a human delegation shows up to accuse him of "letting" humans die in the forest of Jura, with Rimuru's response being "Did they stay on the clearly marked and paved road? No? They left the highly visible, safe, and well-patrolled trading route we built in order to fight giant hell-ants? That's not my problem. Tell your citizens not to be idiots; there's a reason we sequestered those ants in a corner like that." And that's why I love Makoto. He's like Rimuru, but his vengeance is smaller, softer, but much more devastating and long-lasting. He doesn't _just_ wipe out an army and then make plans to turn a country into a puppet-state. Nah, he's gone full guilty-until-proven-useful (not innocent, _useful),_ a callous pragmatism that is delicious to watch.

@user-zl1vf4me1p

3 ай бұрын

Most realistic for me goes to rudeus, but I agree

@D1i1s1

3 ай бұрын

@@SuperiorPosterior I feel like another character that is similar is Naofumi, like the actual Naofumi from the Novels not the goody two shoes hypocrite the anime tried to turn him into in the second half of S1 and first half of S2. If there weren't the circumstances/rules of the world forcing his hand and people like Raphtalia pushing him to be better I feel like he would slip into Makoto's mindset quite easily, maybe a bit more involved and less apathic but that's balanced out by him being a lot more petty and vengeful.

Its not even a plothole, it was established ages ago that he legit DOES NOT CARE about any of those people. He's literally saying, " I don't give 2 f***s about any of these dweebs, but they have their uses, so I'm gonna use them and push my sh*t forward. Imma save my people for free, but the rest of ya'll gon' owe me for my help."

@AHBrandonReviews

3 ай бұрын

im pretty sure 30% of the people watching Tsukimichi watched on 3x speed whenever there wasn't action and don't actual understand who Makoto is

@Kingdo_RGT

3 ай бұрын

You know, that remind me Overlord season 3, when the public realizes that we follow the bad guys. Not like the protag say he wanted to conquer the world season 1, episode 2 or that he literary work on that goal since. Likes taking possession of a village to see the standard of living, traveling to gain knowledge or overthrow organizations in the shadow. No no no, it's when he kills nice adventurer that came to rob him, that the public react. XD

@acedias12

3 ай бұрын

Funny enough, just a couple days ago, I came across a person commenting on a short cutscene. Said person straight up just called it out for "plot contrivances" from just a tiny clip of a larger narrative. Some folks will just randomly complain about things without taking the full picture in mind.

@Brancoi

3 ай бұрын

Like boss who isn't going to take s#*@ from anyone ever again.

@rampagepotato4307

2 ай бұрын

And then proceed to lose his shit when that one kid died. Reverted to being a doormat an episode later. No one is this passive, mate.

one must remember season one had a whole town destroyed by mio and tomoe, and the mc was just annoyed and didnt show any empathy towards those who was hurt/killed as a result

@qhayiyadantile3208

3 ай бұрын

This! He cared more about getting caught by the Bug than everyone in that town being near death, even when he fired that arrow at Shen's gate in the wasteland, the demons were literally burnt to ashes in front of him and he literally went, "wait, there were people here????? And theyre evil????meh..."

@Haiyami

3 ай бұрын

And what set it in stone of his pure apathy for hyumans is when mini mio and the kind orc and the mist village was blown up. That blew away part of his naive thinking. However, up until 2 episodes ago Makoto wanted to have a peaceful and cordial relationship with hyumans and demons without exploiting either party. Now after getting screwed twice over at the exact same time in the Academy City, he's completely fed up. He has always been apathetic but now he's going to be a bit more on the firm side. He can't play fair anymore.

@mrfuzzy2954

2 ай бұрын

According to the anime most people got out but their memories were altered, but i agree that his f*cks to give are up.

@NiceUglyBastard

2 ай бұрын

What you mean by a lot of human die? Mio and tomoe hold back because makoto (that time) is not fond of violence or the idea of killing. Because if you watch the anime mio just slap the blond guy until he's face got swollen.

People seem to forget that Makoto has no love for Hyumans. He wont think twice to save demi humans or demi plane citizens but a hyuman? He isnt evil. He is apathetic. He is already pissed at the merchant guild and the school for screwing with him. His only focus is to make sure his goods, employees, people he cared about in the city and students were safe. People forgot how ruthless he was when he killed the female hyuman that killed mini Tomoe and the kind orc. If its hyumans, he will save them if he feels like doing so.

@AHBrandonReviews

3 ай бұрын

lot of tiktok brains watching this show im convinced given many don't seem to know who the MC is

@Effortastic

3 ай бұрын

@@AHBrandonReviewsLol. I don’t even have tiktok downloaded, so I can’t imagine what’s happening over there.

@AHBrandonReviews

3 ай бұрын

it's just a large part of people online can't focus on things longer than 30 seconds these days

@GarethXL

3 ай бұрын

@@Effortastic it's fill with a bunch of people that thinks leaving their daughters in a jungle alone with a bear is better then leaving them with a man

@beardpapa12

3 ай бұрын

I think people also forget that the Goddess who shat on him is a major patron of hyumans so he's not thrilled.

He was a business man. Doing business

@kingsboro1

3 ай бұрын

People seem to forgot he's not a hero

@thecommentor9898

2 ай бұрын

really hope thats a Beverly Hills Cop reference.

Makoto chopped of the hands then slit a persons throat with no remorse for being responsible for injuring/killing his citizens. Not stopping people who actively made his life harder from dying is totally within his character. And he was never a hero

@LupineShadowOmega

2 ай бұрын

Oh he was. He tried. If he'd gotten there the Goddess gave him help like she was supposed to, he'd have been a hero. A good one even. But instead he got spit on, banished to the edge of the world, and persecuted ever since. Then they had the nerve to kidnap a girl that looked like a girl he loved, almost killed her sister, oh and then they killed his people with absolute no remorse. So he would have been a hero, but this world and its goddess didn't want him to. So he is what they made him.

@abrashio

2 ай бұрын

@@LupineShadowOmega slight correction, he did not love that girl. She just reminded him of a senpai/kouhai who he interacted with who had feelings for him.

@LupineShadowOmega

2 ай бұрын

@@abrashio Fair enough, but the point stands. She is a direct stand in for someone he has a complex emotional history with and this world said "screw her specifically"

@abrashio

2 ай бұрын

@LupineShadowOmega agreed, Makoto's inferiority complex stopped him from ever forging a connection of love even though surprisingly, there were those who admired him and even sought out such a connection. I, for one, will be glad when he gets over that final hurdle, which will probably be next season. I do wish the anime had kept his dreams of possible outcomes, though. They give a deeper insight into him and will go further to explain what the Saintess sees when she tries to use her "Inspect" Skill on him.

Makoto playing smart here, hes only helping the ones who ask for his help, who support his business and look out for him. I'd do the same if i was in his shoes

MC saving people unconditionally: "Meh another classic japanese MC reincarnated being naive goodie" MC standby because his students getting screwed over during official matches in front of the headmaster himself and his merchant company getting humbled: "EVIL!"

@TheSpawnfan

3 ай бұрын

And Makoto did give his students help, in the form of gear and letting Mio and Shiki direct them in battle, people also seem to forget how much shit Makoto had to endure up to this point, a lesser man would have snapped sooner.

@nurusds3

3 ай бұрын

@@TheSpawnfan not to mention the demon trickery. Can't imagine the amount of stress.

@TheSpawnfan

3 ай бұрын

@@nurusds3 The demon trickery was Rona acting independently but, fortunately for the demon race, the demon lord isn't an idiot.

@Elmithian

2 ай бұрын

I honestly thought he was being pretty reasonable for his students. He had no intention or desire of having them die. He even explicitly said he wanted them to be saved if it seemed like they were on the verge of losing. He is the type that holds apathy to most people unless he bonds with them. Once he bonds with them and they show no intention of trying to exploit him, you have someone that will burn cities for you. The issue is... that he *will* burn cities if it means it saves you. He isn't evil per-sé, but he has great potential to do evil. Amoral or/and sociopathy comes to mind when looking at him.

@TheSpawnfan

2 ай бұрын

@@Elmithian Exactly, that is why some people want to keep Makoto out of any of the world's conflicts.

People just realized that its not like every other self insert isekai but actually an isekai where the MC has their own personality

@mysmallnoman

3 ай бұрын

Lol ok whatever you say

@roguewasbanned4746

2 ай бұрын

Nah they still think it’s a bad story. I just tell people that they don’t have to watch something if they don’t like it. Because for some reason the people hating on a show always act like they were forced to watch it

@nadaburner

2 ай бұрын

@@roguewasbanned4746 That's not a good thing to do. You are doing a lesser version of breaking "CRFA" by telling others to not share their opinions. This is anti-social and secludes those with different views. People also have different preferences so that's something to also consider. CRFA is you don't know stands for.. Consumer Review Fairness Act. This law makes it so companies cannot manipulate reviews to only be positive, people must have the ability to share their honest opinions. From MY understanding of the video I think many viewers are upset with the sudden, very morally grey and selfish actions of the MC. I've only seen season 1 but to me it looked like the MC 100% could have prevented more lives from being lost. Viewers expected the MC to be better which could be caused by the author generally portraying him better OR the viewers expected too much. I'm not surprised this happened because the hyumans and goddess are portrayed to be bad so relatively speaking the MC looks better by default BUT the newer scenes clarify he's ALSO not a great person driven by morals. Personally I thought the series was mid. Nothing particularly interested me or felt new so it's just another dime-a-dozen series to me which is why I wasn't compelled to watch season 2. Even bad shows I'll usually finish them and those are at least memorable unlike shows like this to me.

@rampagepotato4307

2 ай бұрын

What personality? A fucking doormat? Lmfao even my fucking dog had better personality than this bland and boring character.

@silverahiru4472

2 ай бұрын

Personality that not caring about anything except for those that benefits his own self... yea sure is unique

You don’t even need that long of a memory. He was literally just screwed over by both the humans and the demons for being too nice, too trusting, too naive. So now he is simply applying those lessons. He is no longer being too nice, he has become exactly what they taught him to become.This is one of the best written and complex anime right now. But as you say media literacy is super low.

Makoto now has connections to a brothel lol. Estelle seems like she could be cool so I hope we see more of her. Makoto not knowing where to look was amusing, he could have just looked at her eyes but his attention was clearly directed further down.

@SainZadhel

3 ай бұрын

Yeah same the lady how to do her job 🥰, here hoping she doesn't end up like the last busty girl who thought she could get away from his wrath😈

@Sup_D

3 ай бұрын

Can't blame the guy either, as it's generally hard for men to easily look away from the pair of magnetic melons when they first meet a girl/woman (even if we maybe used to it) as we are naturally attracted to them (heck even other women stare at them even if they are not into yuri). It takes time for men to get used to it. I mean, just look at the later scenes when Makoto meets Estelle again. During the 2nd meeting he was on a higher level than her, meaning he was seeing it all more clearly than before, but he didn't get diverted this time, same with when he meets her the next day in her new outfit (whose front side we sadly fail to see).

@Sup_D

3 ай бұрын

@@SainZadhel The girl from Season 1, was extremely racist type and the type who doesn't mind killing someone for gains. But that doesn't seem like it's the case with Estelle, atleast she doesn't seem like that now (not sure whether she was like that in the past or not). Probably has to do with her present line of work.

@Casely-ww6rt

3 ай бұрын

​​@@Sup_DAgreed re-watch season 1 and yeah it certainly wasn't the best moment in terms of awareness for Makoto, yes the big cans of ladies always lovely and good but ya got to be careful for the negative side of hyunans and demons too, i think the red-haired chick is good in my book 👍

@icedragonkid1480

3 ай бұрын

To be fair to our boy they were at his eye level lmao

Rip Ilumgand didn't think Mio would do that but totally fit with her character. Also, everyone just needs to not f-around with him, the man is almost at his breaking point, so him being the way as he is make sense since season 1, very interested to see how his path will be because this good writing story

@SainZadhel

3 ай бұрын

Umm remember how Makoto literally ended that woman life, which she and others fools totally deserve, i think his true breaking point is him stop giving a damm about anything that doesn't matter to him, because besides the shitty goddess who else in the show can kill him? None as far as I see

@SainZadhel

3 ай бұрын

Honestly dude be mess with since the beginning, and had enough moments to where he alright with bs, until it gets personal in his life, remembering season 1 and now season 2 MC is just done no more crap from anyone understandable where his mindset is and for others who watch the show and is less interested in the story and that fine, the man is marching on his own without the hesitation from the start

@DanishCreeper

2 ай бұрын

You also have to remember that he is percieved as nothing to the hyumans. That's why they are fucking with him and expect nothing bad will happen from that. Only few hyumans are starting to understand that he is strong but now how strong.

Yeah agreed, he is only now in it for him - which you cannot blame after everything that has happened. The True Neutral Character.

Early on: he relied on his "bodyguards" because there was a very real chance he could accidentally kill someone with his incredible strength. Now: this guy has been screwed over at every opportunity, from every direction. Seriously, there is a point at which your emotions just shut off and you just can't bring yourself to care one wit about anyone who you don't already actively feel a connection to.

The funny thing is that after the way he's been messed around by the Merchants guild, the Academy and the various nobles, if he had rushed out to selflessly start saving everyone without any hesitation there would have been loads of people saying 'that's rubbish, he should have just let the city burn' - probably the same people too! I was surprised you didn't mention the bit at the beginning between Tomoe and Lute - that was two of the most powerful being on the planet admitting Makoto's power is far beyond them, but he also underestimates his own strength.

@AHBrandonReviews

3 ай бұрын

i touched on that at the end

@John_Stephens43

3 ай бұрын

My only point of contention is that it took Makoto so long to get this fed up with everything. I know different people have different speeds at which they become aggrivated, angry, rage filled, or apathetic, but I just feel like most reasonable people would have hit their limit well before the mutant monsters show up to rampage across the countryside.

@Waavlu

3 ай бұрын

@@John_Stephens43 While true for cases when people really care, but I think Makoto just wants to go home so he doesn't care what happens in this world. Most of his research to get home is not slowed down. So while yes a few setbacks happened, not much actually hurt his plans till the current event. I could be wrong but that is how I view this and in that light I think it makes sense it 'took so long' to get fed up.

@alexburn4014

2 ай бұрын

@@Waavlu he also could have expected some push back on the merchant side of his life. him getting frustrated could also be he expected the people he works with to be as upstanding and honorable as rembrant but instead has had his business threatened and his students chances to win the tournament unfairly undermined by nobles who wanted their children to win. He's naive when it comes to the ruthlessness side of politics which is why he needs his followers help when people start toying with him.

I was surprised to see Ilumgand still conscious in that blob but seeing Mio being ruthless like that when it seemed like there might have been a chance to save him was interesting. I wonder if she'll report that to Makoto or if she'll keep it to herself since Makoto already thinks Ilumgand is dead.

@treymiller5736

3 ай бұрын

Was really wondering about that as well. I bet she doesn’t see it worth reporting I mean he was “already dead” so nothing really changes. Other than her telling on herself about how she went out of her way to kill him without asking. (Though he likely doesn’t care that much)

@RuslanLagashkin

3 ай бұрын

She is screwing him over repeatedly, also by not telling about Hibiki. She is the definition of toxic loyalty.

@mfs96

2 ай бұрын

​@@RuslanLagashkin It's just her mindset is completely different from normal person. For an immortal calamity like her, hibiki is like an ant. Hence no need to report to makoto. Also Mio isn't someone who plans ahead

@delfuscreeto7552

2 ай бұрын

@@RuslanLagashkin You're also forgetting that she legitimately doesn't realize that Hibiki is one of the heroes hence her saying "I feel sorry for Hibiki, sharing the same name as a hero must be tough"

Makoto has gotten fed up with the status quo of the society that he was thrown into and has decided to carve out a place for people with thoughts and ideologies similar to his that is not in the Demi plane he's basically creating a mob family style mentality, which is the entire point of the end credits

Makoto is not a "hero of justice". He's a teenager trying to navigate a different, conflicted world. Some are helping him and others shafting him. The Academy Let that monstrous organization and the Assassins Guild develop in the Town. The Merchant Guild, some in the Academy, Nobles, the Church and others are out to get him. Who are the 'Good Guys "& who are the "Bad Guys"? Which are running the Town? If he helps, will the Goddess try to nail him? Further, just WHY does that World even Need to Shanghai heroes in the first place? Will he save the world only to get betrayed and offed? (Plenty of examples of that historically by Machiavellian Pols.) Small wonder he is hesitant in what to do.

Tomoe is actually afraid if Makoto would go to far and tries to pull him back but she's still going to follow him no matter what he decides.

@kagato3

2 ай бұрын

Slight spoiler We get to see what happens if he does go off the deep end as a god gives him visons of what could have happen (or might have in other universes) most end very poorly for the world and one he is an Omnicidal Maniac who decides to kill all life in the universe and this is a timeline that is very close to the real one.

@stanurena3129

2 ай бұрын

@@kagato3when he’s talking with Tomoki?

@kagato3

2 ай бұрын

@@stanurena3129 I don't remember exactly when it happened as I read the WN a long time ago but Shiva showed him a few different timeliness if he killed the goddess, if he went different directions at the start, and one that was close to the main timeline but some unknown change was there an he decided to wipe out all life in the universe. The others end in fairly bad timeliness too.

@stanurena3129

2 ай бұрын

@@kagato3yeah I went back and is when he dreams about 2 different future one where he gets with his harem and another where he doesn’t give a shhh

@kagato3

2 ай бұрын

@@stanurena3129 I think that's a different time. None of these were really futures but what if he had done something else. The one I remember there were like 4 different worlds. There was one he joined the demons and ended up killing pretty much everyone he currently cares about, another he ends up being used by Lily killing all the demons and then starting a world war, and like 2 others one end with him deciding to just kill everything, none of them were good ends.

Something people seem to forget is that Tsukuyomi the god that is allied with Makoto relieved him of his duties as a hero of this new world. This means that Makoto is not going to go out of his way to help people that insult him or those that work under him. Makoto is not a saint, he is a realist person who is not going to save a bully if they set themselves on fire.

I'm here for it when Makoto pulls up on the goddess. 🤣😂🤣

Sounds like some people have forgotten this guy straight out shanked someone in the neck for betraying him and getting his people killed. Frankly, half the fun of the show is waiting for him to snap and put the jerks he’s dealing with in their place. It’s also important to remember that this is a high schooler who doesn’t really grasp how powerful he’s become in this setting. This is a kid struggling with levels of power and responsibility he’s not experienced enough to handle well. Seeing him hit his limit and begin to pull back from reflexively playing the hero was quite satisfying. It felt like real character development.

It's not just media literacy, we've all done this. I do the same thing when for example I made a deal with some people to help them complete a project so that I would have their permission to do my own thing, they didn't keep their end of the deal though so I just stopped caring what they were doing or what they needed help with. We all have that breaking point with people, where if they're not with you or they're not benefitting you, or both, you just stop giving a shit. It's simple Human psychology

People seem to think Makoto is All Might or something. 1. Bro can't be everywhere at once, and 2. even if he could this is on the goddess from beginning to end. She's the one that forced him to come there as a 'hero', rejected him outright, threw him to the literal edge of the world, then summons a couple new 'heroes' and goes "yeah go save the world" without any real guidance on HOW they're supposed to do that. So, nah, Makoto has no responsibility to save anyone, and the deaths are on the goddess.

Rimuru literally became a demon lord and noone bats an eye, but remember in season 1 when Makoto killed that one lady in cold blood for killing Motoe and attacking his first real establishment. (I think that's all correct)

I think Makoto can best be described as true neutral to chaotic neutral

@Mucasme

3 ай бұрын

Neutral Good, even if he's very close to going True Neutral.

@davisthompson9793

3 ай бұрын

@@Mucasme that’s fair

@marcosdheleno

2 ай бұрын

neither. he is lawful neutral. he is lawful because he follow HIS rules, but he is neutral, because he isnt about self sacrifice for everyone, nor will he go on to massacre people for no reason. he has a set of standards that guide him. for example, he helped alot of people simply because they were demi human, and he feels a connection to them. so he takes it as his duty to help demi humans who need his help. meanwhile he is not going out of his way to save hyumans, because he doesnt see them as people. but as puppets of the goddess.

People when the MC helps everyone "that's cliche, can't people do without stuff like this?" Mc, knowing that it wouldn't be helpful to him, and already having done similar stuff before, just watches what happens, while doing enough to still look kinda good: HE IS EVIIIIL, EVIL INCARNATE I SAY, HOW CAN HE JUST, NOT SAVE EVERYONE? IT'S A PLOTHOLE, IT'S IT'S..." Not only hyumans, but humans are equally dumb as hell, he does stuff that is helpful FOR HIM AND HIS COMPANY, he knows he can't just trust any hyuman, so showing off his powers and all that, would be a really dumb idea, he is hiding his cards, so he doesn't end up screwed over later

In the web novel at the beginning of this commotion, Makoto’s first thoughts were to bring forces from the demi plane and put a stop tho it but, then he realized that if he did the merchant guide might think of using them as their personal army. That’s when he asked Tomoe, Mio and Shiki what his options were, Mio said let’s use the commotion as a smoke screen and get rid of the people antagonizing Makoto and Tomoe’s plan to become a band of heroes.

@user-vp2jr5lb2w

2 ай бұрын

It was in the series.

Merchant Leader: I have a dead man's switch, the moment i fear for my life you are public enemy número 1. The "Media Literacy": Why don't Makoto end his existence (proving the merchant leader right?)

What's interesting about the bit about the headmaster demanding a part-time teacher do more, is that it reminds me of an element from another story I was reading recently. In that story, "runners" (basically freelance couriers) get a lot of flack for not running headfirst into danger to deliver supplies to adventurers who didn't pack enough potions or whatever. They get disparaged for being unwilling to take difficult or dangerous tasks for a standard delivery fee. But... these people aren't adventurers. They're just people who didn't have skills that could get them better employment, so they do deliveries for a living. Usually just running letters from one town to another. Insulting them for being unwilling to run into dangerous territory to deliver potions is the equivalent of yelling at a BAKER for not doing their part to clear the road of bandits.

@patrickfedrigo7760

2 ай бұрын

TWi ? Ryoka chapters?

@leyrua

2 ай бұрын

@@patrickfedrigo7760 Yep

Man...I love TsukiMichi. With his power and resources now, he is an outside-context problem to the world. The more time passes, the greater his influence becomes and the more he's convinced to maintain neutrality. The developments up until now has been carefully setting the stage to make this about Makoto's relationship with the other world. He's been put in a position to carefully observe and react to every faction in the world, and all these factions have been pushed into a position to firmly decide how they want to handle the mysterious being known as Makoto Mutsumi. And isn't that an excellent way to write an isekai, a story about someone going to another world?

@thomasallen9974

3 ай бұрын

I agree with this. The only general people who actually give him a fair shake is the demihumans. And thats because they got the same treatment. So yeah 100% bet if a demihuman village he never met before was in trouble, he would go out of his way no issue. All cause he sees himself in them. And the demis now seeing this god like person who actually treats then like people will almost blindly follow him.

Makoto is the perfect definition of fuck around and find out

Let's be completely honest, Makoto is no saint. Let's make a list. 1. He only saved Emma because he was starved for companionship. 2. He only helped the orcs because they fed him. 3. He only formed the contract with the Shin because he thought it would be nice to have her as transportation. 4. His main motivation for helping Toa was that she looked like his old classmate whom he rejected and made cry. 5. He only helped to cure the Rembrandts because he knew an alchemist who could make the medicine and he wanted connections for his business. 6. He only befriended the Wood Ogres because he needed the ambrosia flowers. 7. He only contracted the Lich because he wanted someone to teach him magic. 8. He only became an instructor at the Academy to get permission to start a shop without getting mixed up in politics. Most of his actions that have driven the plot are self serving. Is it convenient to him or not? Even in this episode, he only helped the VIPs get to safety because it would boost his reputation at Tomoe's suggestion. In this very episode he asked Shiki if there was any way to help turn the mutants back, because doing so would make them look good especially since the mutant in question was royalty. But upon learning that it would be difficult and lacking incentive, he quelled the thought because the risk greatly outweighed the reward. He's not evil for these things, he's just a dude that's trying to make things work.

@marcosdheleno

2 ай бұрын

yep, also people seem to not understand 1 major aspect of makoto. he is a true psychopath. he possess no real emotions, BUT, after some counseling, he managed to emulate them to the point of even fooling himself into believing he had them.

Mio would love to "talk" with those people complaining. Also, Isekai is not a genre. This is an adventure/sub comedy with anti-hero and few other tropes (such as isekai), so it's funny to hear morons complaining about stuff they know nothing about.

People are confused because they skipped a lot of his internal dialogue. I would say about 30% of the story is Makoto's internal thoughts. He's actually quite smart and strategically capable. (They don't go over much in the anime but he had a lot of military bow training). Makoto is naive and he struggles with understanding the world he's in. This is the turning point for him where he finally starts to gain his footing. But because we miss a lot of his ruminating and thought process from the novel it's harder to get a hold of his character in the anime.

@marcosdheleno

2 ай бұрын

he is also a true psycopath. who, with some counseling, managed to emulate real emotions.

@LupineShadowOmega

2 ай бұрын

@@marcosdheleno That isn't what a psychopath is. At best that would be trying to describe a sociopath, but even there he isn't a sociopath. If anything quite the opposite, he brought the ideals and morality of his own world with him to this new one, only to have it thrown back in his face.

@marcosdheleno

2 ай бұрын

@@LupineShadowOmega no, sociopath is someone who does not care for society's rules. a psychopath is someone who lacks emotions. Makoto follows the rules, he does not break the law, nor is he interesting in doing so. on the other hand, he lacks emotions, what he does have, is fake emotions he tricked himself into beliving he has. which is not aparent now(even though the series already showed that in season 1), but will be made clear later on.

I won’t lie that city may have a glimmer of hope, today we’ve met a few more good people and you never know maybe that one merchant guy may change his mind after all of this. I like this situation a lot because it’s like rimiru, at this point he truly needs to cement where he stands in all this, heck even that other dragon said that makoto underestimates his own strength and he might be able to kill the goddess one day. He’s basically at the crossroads like how rimiru was when he was deciding to become a demon lord. Now I’m surprised I didn’t think of it sooner, the demons are probably using the city as bait for the heroes and I remembered last episode they said they perfected the ring that blocks the goddesses blessing, so I’m guessing that they wanna lure the heroes into a trap. Lastly just wanna say, Tomoe once again I love her, she’s truly my favorite character. Next week is really gonna be interesting.

@qhayiyadantile3208

3 ай бұрын

You're right about the city being bait, but it wasnt to bait the heroes

Completely agree with your assessment of this episode. He is a zero interesting in being helpful to anyone that isn’t someone he likes or part of his faction. It is glorious

@kingsboro1

3 ай бұрын

He's a business man that how they do things

People don't go from 0 to 100 in a second, it takes time. Most of the time when someone snaps, it's because they've been on 99 for a long time and only then something is the last straw. It's a cumulative ordeal.

Remember when a bunch of humans pulled up on his spot killed some of his town members, and a fragment of basically his sister, and shortly after his spun back, their goddess who spurned him before teleported to a active war zone where he got jumped and his fingers cut off? Yea fun times I would why he wouldn’t be so inclined to help people.

He's not evil, he's human. He hates when bad things happen to him and will fight back. He's human.

One thing to point out is that his "stress reliever," the meditation he takes from firing arrows with all his heart, is something he hasn't been able to do since Mio and Tomoe BEGGED him not to because he is essentially reincarnating himself every time he spreads his existence thin before firing the arrow. Any changes happening to him is because he's slowly losing his will to care the way his old world wants him to. (Hell, he barely cares about those rules regardless. The only reason he tries to be a good person is because that's what his parents and siblings want him to be. He cares about how they see him... but they aren't in that same world. He's practically a psychopath successfully taught to be empathic. He won't care if he doesn't have to care but when his friends or family care, he has to.)

Also he's not a hero.... He's just a person living his life trying to stay under the radar.

I thought this was obvious when he got upset after the merchant called him "naive" for wanting to be a fair and honest merchant and learning that Demon girl "tricked" him.

Anime does a build up for MC that takes more than 1 episode. Some anime fans: REEEEEE

the principal is having a power trip

I find this falling in the category of "Antihero" or "true neutral" more than good/evil. Would like some more backstory on demonic nature and motives

@marcosdheleno

2 ай бұрын

the series already gave that. its in season 1. what people dont understand is, makoto is a true psychopath. as in, he has no real emotions. what he does is fake emotions, he tricked himself into believing he had. as a child, he lived every single moment in complete suffering. to the point he genuinely thought he would die at any second. it was only later, that he got in touch with a teacher that helped him "develop" those emotions. its also why she warned him not to focus too much on things. because it would lead him to unravel that facade and turn him into a monster. as a side note, this is something the series will touch up later. just know that, makoto isnt a "generic isekai protagonist". he isnt even the "generic mc that gets betrayed and sets out for revenge". he is just a dude, with some personal issues, who hate the goddess, and her followers, and just want to go back to his world. THAT'S IT.

@moonlitrose7

2 ай бұрын

@@marcosdhelenoBy "demonic nature" i don't mean makoto. I mean the demonic race since i haven't been given a clear enough reason why they are doing this . Some part it feels instinctual because i think blue lady knows how strong the mc is but still decided to manipulate trust.

@LupineShadowOmega

2 ай бұрын

@@moonlitrose7 We were definitely told why they're doing this. When Hibiki was learning about the demons, they specifically mention how they'd been pushed to the corner of the continent with the worst lands by hyumans and their Goddess. They effectively live in a place where nothing grows with all their land and resources stolen from them. In short they were our MC, before our MC got here. They are victimized and willing to do anything and everything to see humanity fall, because its the only way they as a people can both live and thrive.

Makoto is no obligated to do anything just bc he has the power. But I felt he was a bit too passive even for his own good. I would prefer him to be a bit more resolute. Especially against that merchant guild, i would like to screw them over. Next ep will hopefully adress that

Makoto is not some selfless hero. He cares about the ones close to him and has no reason to care about what happens to anyone else, which I think is completely fair.

@jtyranus

2 ай бұрын

I don't think it is fair. He has a higher level of understanding of these incidents than anyone else(he literally knew that the one guy was being victimized/taken advantage of by the demon spy) and god like power so it would be trivial to solve it. His not helping or heading off that problem is cruel indifference at best and I suspect that part of the point of this story is that Makoto is paralleling the goddess in many ways. Choosing favored peoples, manipulating situations so he gets the respect and adulation he "deserves", etc.

They think Makoto is a hero even though they've said hundreds of times that he's not a hero. The Goddess literally threw him away like trash. That's the entire plot of the series. They just want him to be a generic Isekai character so they can complain about him being a generic Isekai character.

He will make great friends with Ainz Ooal Gown, rimuru tempest, and other's

I don’t care that he’s passive, I care that the pacing suffers from long dialog scenes. I think it was possible to synthesize the stand and talk, with the little bit of action we got leaving room for something of substance. The scenes feel static, as if the world pauses for anywhere the camera isn’t

I agree with u 100% Makoto is just doing what he need to do in order to benefit himself as well as not going out of his way to help those that have treated him like shit

It's an interesting turning point of the story. He's not really sure what direction to go in, does he help the hyumans, does he help the demons, does he do something else? It's nice to have a character that actually makes tough decisions instead of being purely good or purely evil.

Honstly, I love how you state the facts. TBH this action is more human then anything. People complain about it but if this happen in real life, everyone will do the same choice and throw most ppl under the bus to save they own ppl they care

I can’t even imagine what these people will think if they watch the count of monte cristo or gankustuou. ‘Why is he going all evil/‘😂

My favorite moment was when he asked shiki,can we save him' and shiki said its possible but difficult. So he just decides against the whole idea of saving that idiot

I'm gonna get my 'W's with interest. - Makito 2024

Makoto was never treated like a hyuman, so he doesn't consider himself to be one of them. He only started caring slightly due to the efforts of a tiny number of hyumans who accepted him for his worth and treated him kindly, but overall, has a great amount of disdain for most hyumans, who are greedy and narcissistic.

Bro legit almost killed the leader of the merchant's guild in episode 15 why are they surprised he fkin snapped?

Was an awesome episode! When Mio said she forgot she had something to do, I knew either someone was following them, or she's going to finish the job. when she was walking away and said she couldn't forgive him. I would rather face Makato and live than face Mio's vengeance. She didn't care, the sole thing was you pissed her off, you die. Evidence? Remember the mantis that sliced her kimono? Yea, Mio has shown before and will continue to show. Mess with my master, I'll kill you without any hesitation or mercy. But i would say this, i laughed way to hard when i saw the tentacle sin the brothel.

a lot of people forget makato puts up an act around other people that he doesnt care about we only see him truly lively when he is around people he cares about

People completely forgot that in season 1 he murdered that human adventurer in cold blood and are now surprised that he won't help other humans.

One of my favorite shows and characters. You have a circle of people you will protect without question. Others, depends on how you treat me and mine or what can I gain.

awesome episode. its the fav show atm.

Makoto is not talking action at the moment because as he stated, the Academy city has their own forces to handle the situation. He is just a merchant, why are people expecting him to take the initiative. It is not like there is an opponent that has officially declared themselves as his enemy.

I liked Mio's moment in this one, very much in the way of what Albedo would have done

I'm interested in how next week is going to play out given where he was "assigned" to go. Makoto's reaction is very believable. He's decided to be a bit selfish after all the crap he's been put through. Also, I don't know how people forget that Mio is quite... vindictive.

about media illiteracy, i saw someone genuinely shit on code geass writting and ending. so yeah, people are dumb.

Jeez, Mio has no chill, didnt expect that 😂

@thomasallen9974

3 ай бұрын

Really? Mio never had any chill. The moment she appeared it was clear she does what she wants when she wants. Its only cause she has Makoto as a higher interest that she will mostly default to his order, even then when she acts there is little held back.

I have no idea what was happening but i never knew that people need to get told like this or people will need to tell these to people

Mio won't forgive anyone who goes after are boy love her character and are boy is getting many powerful people respect can't wait for the next episode

Makoto can have all the reasons in the world, if he acts like a sociopath I'm still going to call him out on that. Can he act like that? Sure, at the end of the day I'm simply a viewer, so I have no say in what Makoto should or should not do, but I still get to have my opinion. And in my opinion, having a calm conversation in a tone similar to how one would talk about the weather while Demon Ilumgard was eating his unconscious former teammates felt a bit too callous.

If Makoto wasn't around in some scenarios Mio would have killed a lot more folks left and right. Just remember that they once even destroyed almost a whole town just to proof who was better. And yeah so far it Makoto's behavoius falls completely into his character, we have to remember how he was seen as a monster/demon from the very first point because of the godess and how she dropped him on the edge. I am even surprised he still hasn't taken out a lot these hyumans himself yet, showing a lot of patience.

The fact that he separates humans from hyumans should have made this clear

@thomasallen9974

3 ай бұрын

Yeah the difference between them is not all that great, its the Goddess who pushed them more towards the side we see.

@lazerith84

3 ай бұрын

@@thomasallen9974 I agree I just meant the state of mind required to forge a com lately different racial identity for the 2 when they are so similar.

I love how cold Mio was this episode and it was 💯 necessary. As far as Makoto, he’s always been somewhat naive and there was no reason at the time to not trust the authorities to handle the mutations. But I wouldn’t blame him to be indifferent to hyumans who have consistently disregarded him for being homely by their standards.

Makoto is now a true merchant/businessman 😤 After all the BS he went through with the humans & Demons. No wonder he only care about his loved ones and the peoples who can make him benefit like good customers from the Light Red District 😌 A type of MC, that I would like to see more in Isekai type story 🤔 At this point, if he can kill The Goddess, he better finish her off!

My only issue was his ultimate goal for being there to begin with, was being a trader between nations. His own, humans, and eventually demons. While his laidback approach garnered him favor with the king and merchant guild, as well as not outting himself as having godly abilities. It was in his direct interest to save as much life as possible, and with his resources, he could have done so to a much higher degree while still remaining largely anonymous. Trade and more-so individual consumerism thrives when the local populace can live relatively peacefully and stable. Massive loss of life will lead to a huge blow to the local economy for a while. especially non-essential goods and services. Its always easier to pick apart a characters decisions in hindsight, but from the characters' perspective, and in their shoes... I doubt I would have done half as well as Mak ended up doing.

I get that he's lost all sympathy for hyumans, and rightfully so. But still, I think that he's always sorta helped others and done 'good' deeds for them for the sake of gaining their favor. And in that case, him standing around makes no sense. He didn't even try to save that mutated noble his students were fighting? Or try to protect those purple robed academy fighters? He would have earned way more brownie points from both the royalty and academy if he'd at least tried to do those things. Then more people would have been indebted to him, which I think is something he's clearly shown an interest in doing.

@LupineShadowOmega

2 ай бұрын

He was already told that first one wasn't happening. He asked if they could change him back and the answer was that it wasn't possible. The Purple Robes however were neither his fault, nor his problem. They showed up and were supposedly capable of handling the problem. They were literally the Academy's A team. He had no way of knowing they'd be weaker than his own students and by the time he learned that...they were dead. They didn't even last two minutes, so he wasn't saving them unless he immediately intervened himself and he wasn't going to seeing as he'd been betrayed by this very group of people not one time but twice in as many hours.

the thing about makato is he is true neutral to nutraul good, "I'm on nobody's side cause nobody is on my side" vibes. plus, he is still helping after getting shit on by people he was playing nice with. his followers are looking after and advising him though and are making pretty reasonable suggestions the he feels ok taking.

I'm glad I'm not the only one to think about this. That said, I was chomping at the bit for him to do something.

Makoto is like that "Malicious Complience" poster

The op shows a lot of upcoming highlights that web novel readers probably recognize, but at what point do you guys think the second season will stop at? The Sophia rematch?

@GenerationZ313

3 ай бұрын

I'm willing to bet it will end with the rematch and Makoto going off to conquer land for himself, which is a little disappointing as we may not get to see him meet the other heroes but given the uneven pacing it's not impossible. That said it going to suck when this season ends because while a few other shows in it's genre have managed to get more than 2 seasons, it's practically a coin toss as to whether we will get another one for this show.

They gave away the plot in the opening scene of dragons talking. Good plot, cant wait for more.

Gods damn I love this show man Mio is so badass as always too

Great take on the nuance of the story

Though there are a lot of cut content like they just on the spot explained how he knew the people in the red light district as well as that cat guy. in the manga he helped that cat guy get some medicine that's been plaguing his people in the slums but no hyuman were willing to sell. And according to a small explanation that cat and his people were to become the espionage and information network for the Kuzonoha company. And the perception of he isn't doing anything he explained to the king in the beginning that he would be coordinating evacuation efforts, he won't be (temporarily) engaging with the mutants but only safeguarding evacuation of the citizens with his people. By the next episode it looks like he would begin the extermination.

ehh i didnt like it that he afkd but the students and monster also going afk was probably worse lol, they had an entire conversation, let other students get eaten and waited for an entire squad of mages get wiped before even moving lol

I totally agree that season 2 started off trying to add context and world-building to the story since season 1 (much like many stories) left things ambiguous, foreshadowed deeper future plot points, and alluded to future conflicts. It’s kind of just the way things go with stories where you are going to have troughs and crests. I haven’t loved season 2 but I have liked it and it makes me look forward to the action that is guaranteed to come in the future

The problem isn't that Makoto sits around, it's that the show itself focuses too much on side characters that means nothing, meanwhile teasing plot points that never pay off. Like, the thing with the Heroes. They both meet best girls, but not Makoto, who is essentially the Goddess' last resort, and the interaction we want to see. But instead, we get a bunch of whiny episodes about them being weak, then transition to more whiny episodes about the students being weak. And when the story does heat up, there's no risk involved. Like right now with the mutated monsters. They're busting up the city, but we know they're no threat, and ultimately will probably be forgotten about a few episodes from now. And, when Makoto finally does actually fight, it against something lackluster, like a damn bear.

@marcosdheleno

2 ай бұрын

dude, if you think the heroes are side points that dont pay off... boy are you in for a surprise. both heroes have massive importance in the story. the whole reason he was forced to fight the dragon slayer was because of the heroes in the first place. not only that, but, they are vital for the plot of the story.

@LupineShadowOmega

2 ай бұрын

The entire point is that they aren't side characters. They were supposed to be introduced in season one, but they were cut specifically because they didn't expect to get a second season and they want things exciting. The entire point of them needing to flashback to get everyone up to date was because the Heroes are plot essential and needed to now be patched into the narrative.

I really love this show, and love how is more realistic and accurate will be if someone is om their shoes.

I haven't kept up with the Anime, so my knowledge of the events is only up to episode 11, because that's where the Manga is. I've got to say though, Makoto has been unmotivated to help people he's not connected to for a while. Makoto has two motivations when it comes to people dying, he doesn't want anyone who matters to him to die, and he doesn't want to kill anyone if he can help it. We've known about this "Not my problem" attitude of his since he killed the adventurers that caused the problems in the pocket dimension. He was brutal as fuck, but then started crying afterward because killing them didn't make anything better, nobody learned anything, nothing was brought back, the pain just spread further.

i think the reason why people saying this is cause we are so used to the MC being the one that go's to meddle and they either the revenge type or the naive dense type

I loved it, when he got bodyguards for the merchant and his scary wife that helped him at the beginning and was like "You tow will not die - i like you tow!" Showed how feed up he is and i can understand that ^^

Makoto is not evil, he is practical!

I believe season 1 pre-first ring explosion would have rushed around trying to save people as he was a lot more pro-hyuman. I think one of the problems is that his troubles don’t seem big in comparison to people like the shield hero, or ainz, who meet some seriously nasty characters. Because his troubles don’t seem big people will assume his big heart will forgive and move on without a problem. The regeneration scene is a showing of the inner workings of this anime. Any other anime may very well have let him become a hidden knight and support the female hero, and give him a redemption and cure, and all that other stuff. Fudge they even let you think that’s what’s going to happen for a bit… before mio says “no, die”. And that sets the tone, this isn’t grimdark like ainz but it also isn’t happy like rimuru,it’s more like goblin slayer minus the risky bits.

Agree with what you said and this Mc needs at least 3 wins or more wins after the sheer amount of crap he has had to deal with.

I love this show and I hope we get a 3rd Season.

Its the same guy who tortured with cold blood the girl who betreyed him.

Relatable. While I agree that the driving of expectations via portrayal could have been better as a misalignment with audience expectation can be rough... That said it's also frustrating when the expectation of a series is too fixated from whatever stereotypes there is unrelated to the series. I haven't gone far with Tsukimichi yet but... Like, Eminence in Shadow for example. It has an MC whose very obviously from the start morally grey and outright says he admires forces from the shadows but people expect him to be batman... which annoys me a lot because he doesn't effing want to be batman! It's just random KZreadrs spouting that up and now everyone who watches thinks that instead of trying to watch & understand the show. He wants to be the guy behind the scenes, it doesn't have to be a hero! H.Y.D.R.A., Akatsuki, Darth Vader, Aizen, even batman's enemies like Ra's A Gul & league of shadows & such, and whatever shadowy villain also works for him and he's not against that whatsoever. The only thing stopping him is his own standards (like not killing others he sees pitiful or not disrespecting other people's ideals/dreams) in place of the morality he long left behind as for him those (common sense, morality, etc) are fat to trim from what's truly important for him. Though to be fair the anime may not portray what his standards is best, but it surely did say he abandons all "baggage" for his dreams. He quiet literally, in a matter-of-fact manner, monologues how he's aware he is apathetic, chooses to do so, and even if half the world population is suddenly gone he won't bat an eye, but if something he considers most important is slighted then he'll be pissed. Everyone, he effing has no intention whatsoever to be batman!