Dr. Roberts was my high school headmaster! He was one of the best role models I could have ever had!

@jamesortega8681

8 ай бұрын

P and R are legends

@kkahin3557

8 ай бұрын

But now he works for Zionists and sold his soul to the devil. Jordan ‘give them hell’ Peterson

@johannesschmitz6370

4 ай бұрын

Dr. R the Throatgoat

'Happiness is not to be achieved at the command of emotional whims. Happiness is not the satisfaction of whatever irrational wishes you might blindly attempt to indulge. Happiness is a state of non contradictory joy-a joy without penalty or guilt, a joy that does not clash with any of your values and does not work for your own destruction, not the joy of escaping from your mind, but of using your mind's fullest power, not the joy of faking reality, but of achieving values that are real, not the joy of a drunkard, but of a producer. Happiness is possible only to a rational man, the man who desires nothing but rational goals, seeks nothing but rational values and finds his joy in nothing but rational actions' - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, p. 1022

Ayn Rand wrote repeatedly against hedonism and stated that a man's rational self interest was a broad conceptualization of the goals and values one undertakes in their long term life, baring accidents and such. It's in her essay works more so for the technical stuff in objectivism, and the various speeches she gave.

@rogue.ganker

8 ай бұрын

exactly. Leonard Peikoff's Objectivism the Philosophy of Ayn Rand really lays out the egoism argument and the ethics behind it.

@VonStierlitz

8 ай бұрын

The religious “conservatives” will never have guts to address the points Ayn Rand makes in her non-fiction works, such as “Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology”. There’s an obvious reason for that. They’ll inevitably have to admit their own complete intellectual bankruptcy (and even worse, acknowledge being used as active enablers of the destructive collectivist ideologies they supposedly reject).

@davidwatts1791

8 ай бұрын

The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand is a better example of her Objectivism not being a means to leverage against another in business transactions. Atlas Shrugged was more of an example of the extremes of collectivism than an examination of Objectivism. Signed, Liberty 5-3000

@ThreeFingerG

8 ай бұрын

I like to call Stirner and Nietzsche "Hedonic Egoists" whereas Rand was a "Eudaimonic Egoist" Which is to say a real Egoist.

@AndSendMe

8 ай бұрын

@@davidwatts1791 Rand had not formulated Objectivism when she wrote The Fountainhead. Her thinking progressed a long distance on the way to writing Atlas. Objectivism is not only well described in the big speech in the book, but each point in the speech is illustrated by events in the story. For assistance in understanding Atlas Shrugged, ARI's 'Atlas Project' here on YT is an excellent first step.

'I care a lot less about your feelings than I do about your pursuit of truth"...... another legend is uncovered

When he asked "why should we think?" I was blown away by the fact that technically, if you go to University now, you barely have to think at all. All you do is memorise the ideologies of the professors, no different than learning your times tables by rote. Why do I suddenly feel...depressed?

@David_Drums

8 ай бұрын

I feel like this experience may be more so for liberal arts rather than hard sciences. To an extent, it's hard to disagree with mathematical axioms when compared to asking for an opinion on handling a social issue. I went for an engineering degree and how to think was taught in a way that was both creative and structured. I feel like I can take premises I disagree with and can "play" within the idea to see how I would act in them based on this way I was taught.

@anthonybrett

8 ай бұрын

@@David_Drums "I feel like this experience may be more so for liberal arts rather than hard sciences." I agree. I think the humanities is the main culprit. But, I've heard a few people touting that 2+2 = 5, so being an engineer myself, I suppose we should always stay vigilant.

@wittietube

8 ай бұрын

Read Ayn Rand and you'll feel much better! :)

@wittietube

8 ай бұрын

Thanks very much for your reply! I recommend The Fountainhead. @@anthonybrett

@wittietube

8 ай бұрын

Thanks very much for your reply! I recommend The Fountainhead.@@anthonybrett

Jordan i just seen that Tammy is fighting an illness i just want to send my prayers to you and your family. You have really changed my life in so many ways by watching you . I know by watching your videos how much your family means to you and you always give Tammy her due for being a great partner and mother. She is definitely a toughie so she will fight this i am sure. I am not a very religious man but i am a believer and do get on my knees most nights. My thoughts are with you all.🙏

@NovasYouTubeName

8 ай бұрын

Very kind ❤

@chrisredfield3688

8 ай бұрын

❤

It would be great to have the Heritage Foundation set up a discussion between Thomas Sowell and Jordon Peterson, either on this channel or Uncommon Knowledge. Both would be great.

Thank you, Jordan, for the incredible work you do! I also appreciate how you stand up to the government, and as a fellow Canadian, I salute you!

I recently graduated with my history degree, during which time I was a history tutor and ran the local chapter of Phi Alpha Theta. Dr. Roberts' story completely aligns with my own experience. Conservative voices aren't just rare in the history field, they're virtually nonexistent. I had a professor use the term "Trumpkin" completely unironically (I later withdrew from that course). I have my own theories as to why history in particular is so left leaning (not the least of which is that the academic rigor required in that field is not nearly high enough, which attracts the mentally fragile "people of colored hair"), but it was refreshing to hear from someone else in my field who understands what I went through.

@Leo-mr1qz

8 ай бұрын

My mother was a History major in the 1960's. She taught American History at the high school level before getting married and settling down. She tells me this story inwhich a colleague of hers was introducing "modern history" into the curriculum before she left. She said all the other teachers thought that the left leaning nuts' ideas would never fly. Unsurprisingly they did. Taking a history course in a California high school nowadays is like watching Scooby-Doo to become a federal investigator, it's complete nonsense. 😢 Sadly, true people of history, like yourself, are few and far between. Good for you for sticking to your beliefs, the facts, and your ambitions. 😊

@marysbigpimp

8 ай бұрын

When finishing my last degree in 2014 i was working and taking too many classes; history was one. I was still a 4.0 student but getting overwhelmed and got to the point of writing bare minimum half-researched papers for history and econ. I would have given myself bottom Ds if i was grading them yet magically i was still getting perfect scores or like 98% on those junk papers. Then it happened. The subjects of writing a paper on dealing with posed problems from the professor on what we would do with current knowledge to address historical issues. I write a paper that had an obvious conservative approach to solving said problems. Got my first D. In discussions in the online chat students who voiced liberal solutions magically received top grades. I’m sorry you got a degree in a subject that has no ideology but professors force ideology into it. The past is the past. No manner of ideology or opinion can change it.

@marysbigpimp

8 ай бұрын

@@Leo-mr1qzhi, it’s like you and your mom are living testament to the term “libtard” becoming so accurate for the left. The level of ignorance and lack of their ability to learn, let alone learn from history is almost a direct reflection of their scholastic changes. I hope you can keep telling people in real about what you said here. Hopefully it will ring clear to at least one person.

@friedmac7146

8 ай бұрын

I still took a gander at the book regarding the White Lion Slave Ship that landed before the Pilgrims arrived to the western continent Americas. I kinda thought... it was uh interesting read? (Omaha N.E.) ✨🌽✨🌽✨

@nuqwestr

8 ай бұрын

@@friedmac7146 You may want to go back further, to 1527, and Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca

Just when I though that Dr. Peterson had done what he could - I hear this conversation that I find thought provoking and so relevant. Thank you !

Damn, its a pity Ayn is still not with us, I would love to hear her reaction. At least I guess we get a reaction from the @aynrandinstitute soon?

@TheOrdener

8 ай бұрын

HaHa. I for one would NOT want to see Ms Rand’s reaction. I was pissed myself seeing how dishonestly he represented her ideas. I can only imagine her legitimate wrath.

@DeathEater93

8 ай бұрын

Watch 'Jordan Peterson’s Sophomoric Attack on Ayn Rand' from Ayn Rand Institute.

🇨🇦Canada 🇨🇦 loves Dr. Peterson. 💖You are a true Canadian National treasure Doc Jordan. 🙏thank you🙏

I was in a pit. No more Mr. Peterson. I have got back to soild ground. I will never forget this day. It took 3 years. I am sober . No weed. No alcohol. No nicotine. No Kratom. If you were out there and you read this please do not give up The hardest moment is bright before your brain heals. After everything leaves your system You will be tempted but remember this it will get better you will be better.

@kayakMike1000

8 ай бұрын

Well done. You are a scholar and a gentleman. You are more moral than most.

@ChristopherRyans

8 ай бұрын

​@@kayakMike1000I know that today is the first day I would dare to hope my father is proud .

@grantfrith9589

8 ай бұрын

So good to read your declaration. My son was in that dark place a few years back. As bleak as you can imagine, on meth and everything else he could lay his hands on. Thanks to the love of a good family, Dr Peterson and a sygnificant contribution from NA he's been clean for a couple of years now. The trauma in our hearts is still raw and there's plenty of pain to look back on but on the other side there's an example of hope, transformation and humility as my son looks to a bright future. I expect you'll still have your dark patches. My son really didn't look like he was living again till about a year and a half of being clean. Press on friend, it even gets better.

@zizanie

8 ай бұрын

Verrrry interrresting topic! We might not get all the details though...nevertheless thanks for the meandery dive in group thinking.

@convict_w_truth

8 ай бұрын

Amen. Kratom was shutting down my kidneys. Scary for how easy it is to get. 2+ years myself. Keeps getting more awesome every day!🙏🙏

Dr. Peterson pushing forward, onward and upward. Bravo!

Another fine story from Jordan Peterson love you soo much I hope to make it to another show

The only lives that truly matter are those who respect the lives of others.

@BaltimoreBird

8 ай бұрын

I said you win.. I meant EXACTLY. Respect (others) TY 🎉

@HolyKhaaaaan

8 ай бұрын

And I want everyone to respect every person.

Great discussion. Thank you. Ayn Rand did distinguish between self-interest and selfishness. Our understanding of this distinction was exactly what you are talking about - the individual would understand that 'not-right' behaviour now would lead to a world evolving in which they would not want to live. If you want to see what happens to a country where something other that merit determines who gets a job just take a look at South Africa with its Broad Based Black Economic Equality (BB BEE) and how its faring after 30 years of this.

@CuriousCattery

8 ай бұрын

It's a terrible discussion, he completely mischaracterises Ayn Rand and objectivist ethics. She would have been vehemently apposed to BEE and the land reapprioriation going on in South Africa. The anc is foundationally a communist political party and a puppet of soviet Russia and communist China.

It’s crazy hearing him say how he wanted to join the talks about Reagan and the other faculty members canceled it. It really makes you wonder how much of history is actually real or if it’s all just made up by the way only a certain few wanted it remembered

@hypno5690

7 ай бұрын

The average person thinks that people in the 1800s bathed once every three months

If I dont hate my responsibility toward my work/community, I surely can find meaning/purpose in the work/community. I think responsibility does have connection with self growth.

Lift weights, eat steaks, learn to negotiate, learn survival skills, read, self reflect, make babies and home school. Only way we get out of this mess, gents.

@Ring0--

8 ай бұрын

I like you No homo.

@46positivity

8 ай бұрын

I like it. Catholic school has been good for our children. Public schools have mostly gone to hell. I would also add "go to church every Sunday" to your basic list. I personally am a lesser person if I don't.

@alexanderrahl7034

8 ай бұрын

All that, and I'll add "enjoy the beauty of life".

@VeritasIncrebresco

8 ай бұрын

​@dontvote I would put prayer as part of self reflect. I want to start going to Latin mass. No politics. The circus dancers that the church allowed to perform made me sick.

@a_changedworld

8 ай бұрын

​@@VeritasIncrebrescoI've been looking into the Coptic church, those dudes are hardcore

More likes for this Canadian Hero!!! Who knows what laws and methods the Canadian establishment will goto to silence him and everyone else.

Dr. Roberts ideas and what he supports is fantastic!

Absolutely love this conversation! As a high school student, I read Ayn Randy’s The Fountainhead- rocked my world and catapulted me into a month of listless confusion about purpose. Glad to hear all these 30 years later, to hear this cogent analysis laying rest to the questions I’ve wrestled with. Moral duty is to the community AND self is properly ordered socially and spiritually. 👏

You know what I hate? People who believe thinking is worrying. Or, they ask, "What are you thinking about?" You tell them what you're thinking about, and they respond with, "You worry too much. You're always worrying." No! I'm thinking. You should try it. It keeps a person from worrying.

What a joyous conversation. This guest is like a ray of sunshine.

I really dont get how someone can claim to have read Atlas Shrugged multiple times and not only not pronounce "Ayn" correctly, but utterly miss the repeat denunciations of hedonism and calls for an integrated life. In fact, utterly missing the life of productive effort as the highest ideal. Her character's only desire and enjoy "hedonism" after they earned the right to it. For them the joy of producing something, for its own sake and the glory of accomplishment, comes before everything else.

@ghostbeetle2950

7 ай бұрын

Peace, my friend. I agree with you that Rand's ethical positions were mis-characterized here quite a bit, but I've seen this happen so often that I've developed a certain amount of patience for people who do it. I suspect it is probably in part due to Rand's own very polemical style, and I'm not criticizing, just describing, btw. Given that the concept of individualism Jordan himself prefers is so close to Rand's, I find it even harder to be too angry with him. Merely a bit miffed. Don't let it get to you too much, just lay out your own case clearly and politely and give other people the chance to change their minds. Best wishes!

It is like receiving a free college education when listening to Dr. Peterson's podcasts.

'The name of this monstrous absurdity is Original Sin, A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man's sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality. To hold man's nature as his sin is a mockery of nature. To punish him for a crime he committed before he was born is a mockery of justice. To hold him guilty in a matter where no innocence exists is a mockery of reason. To destroy morality, nature, justice and reason by means of a single concept is a feat of evil hardly to be matched. Yet that is the root of your code' - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

I just finished the Exodus series the other day and I'm shocked there were left leaning people there, not just because I didn't expect any to show up but because I couldn't tell who was left or right. I understand better now why the bible is so reviled be extremists in either direction, it can genuinely unite people on principles.

@destinymayberry6217

8 ай бұрын

Everything in moderation is a strong and great principle to follow.

You should really interview an objectivist Dr Peterson, that would be a very good conversation. Since in my view you're misinterpreting some aspects of objectivism.

@TheOrdener

8 ай бұрын

Indeed! I nominate this comment for understatement of the year. Hedonism?!?! Really?

@valcaron

8 ай бұрын

Misinterpreting Objectivism is often the point. If lefties do it all the time, then nothing is stopping Jordan Peterson from doing it.

@daleschwartz1587

2 ай бұрын

Some aspects of Objectivism!??? Those guys completely missed the mark. They are an embarrassment to anyone who has even rudimentary of Ayn Rand's world view and Objectivism.

0:10 Comment no. 2 requesting Dr. Peterson interviews Tomas Sowell before he leaves us

I don't always agree, but I love the thoughts you spark.

What a stark warning that it is so rare that two intelligent people can have a courteous conversation on important topics where all can see these days. Thank you.

Keep 'em coming! ;)

I love seeing good people speak about the weighty matters in our nation and society. Bless both these men. What a great conversation. I love good people.

Excellent, thank you both for this significant interview.

always amazing dr. Jordan Peterson as always im fully supportive of all of your content you are a great human being and you have helped me a lot in many fields, thanks !

Dr. Peterson's misunderstanding of Ayn Rand is difficult to watch. I knew he disagreed. I supposed Rand's atheism is part of that. But his argument is so full of holes and misrepresentations as to disappoint me greatly.

@rosselliot8971

8 ай бұрын

Well, Peterson is a conservative and Rand certainly wasn't. Conservatives tend to resent Rand because she appears to be championing almost everything they do but rejects God as the basis for our moral imperatives. She also rejects the altruism-as-a-duty that goes along with it, so they tend to hold her at arm's length while nodding their heads at what she has to say.

@hypno5690

7 ай бұрын

​@@rosselliot8971Peterson isn't a conservative, just not a radical leftist

I always look forward to seeing what Jordan Peterson is wearing. He always looks so good.

Excellent. I love hearing challenging questions and deep thinking about these issues. And a thoughtful discussion about certain stories versus literature. We need more of this!

@bruceatkinson5357

8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer persons able or interested to partake in discussion. Hence, the increase in violent screaming, physical mayhem, dissolution of the rule of law and the huge impact of the Constitution.

The fundamental issue with leaving the university for think tanks is that the next generation of degreed people who will take on positions of power and authority are still at the universities. Maybe think tanks ought to build themselves out as the new generation of universities.

@flashwashington2735

8 ай бұрын

What you get when think tanks? A bunch more lobbyists advocating for what I don't want against my desires.

@HelgeJacob

8 ай бұрын

@@flashwashington2735 Life and Death ist Not Always about ur desires

@flashwashington2735

8 ай бұрын

@@HelgeJacob What is life or death? Did your think tank, too?

@HelgeJacob

8 ай бұрын

​@@flashwashington2735Life IS to be, Death ist Not.

@flashwashington2735

8 ай бұрын

@@HelgeJacob If life is binary, ( Off or on like a switch, no in between.) then laws and universities matter not. Learn to think then write. Your Think is definitely tanked!

As a critical thinker, a Ayn Rand fan, and a devout follower of Mr Peterson. I was quite impressed with the explanation given to Ayn Rands writing . I have found after reading Atlas Shrugged 7 or 8 times that people think they were hedonists etc. Ayn Rand was IMHO simply saying do what you do to the best of your ability, stand on your own feet, and make your life and life's work the focal point of all you have in you and fight those who would destroy businesses, or want to tell you how much the poor , sick , lame, and lazy need you to give it away for their benefits. The point is that I work for my own benefit, I earn ever dollar made, and I can do with it as l please. My business is no one else business and because I created it it's my intellectual property as well as real property. The other message she expounded was that a person must think for themselves and not be a sheep. Maybe my description is over simple , however I never found the need to pick apart her or any authors work. And try to analyze the characters or their actions into some theory that fits around today's ideology's. The liberal left especially like to nitpick and see monsters everywhere from everything. The constant State of Fear they spew is what sheeple ( people) who can't think for themselves eat like manna from heaven. To bring the change this country, and those others with a free market society, we, as critical thinking individuals must rid our governments of those who seek it's destruction any way we have to. By force if need be. Our founding fathers are spinning in their graces watching the destruction and misinterpreted of the truth . Prayers for your wife and family Mr. Peterson. I have enjoyed your work it's a wonderful and intelligent expanding experience Everytime.

"Mature moral duty". Three words that form our prosperous future when we engage honestly.

Thank yoiu very much! Great episode!

Thank you Dr Peterson & guest

Haven't listened to this podcast, but boy, you, Dr. Peterson know how to frame the ROOT CAUSES of our societal discontent in a title! Nietzscheian if you ask me! I will will be placing a good bottle of Chardonnay into the fridge so that it will be nice a chilled so that I can savor both the wine and your podcast simultaneously this coming weekend! PS You Sir are nothing short than the Tolstoy and Solzhenitsyn rolled up into one, of our time!

I love thinking, I find it stimulating

Great interview. Full with information to grow and challenge oneself.

I can listen to Mr.Peterson everyday for his knowlegde and his faith in Christ and his wisdom and and and and...

Great conversation and with someone worthy of Jordan

I have an entirely new understanding of the Heritage Foundation now. Looking into becoming a member of it now. They seem to be less neocon than before.

I really really like Dr. Kevin Roberts. I really really like Heritage foundation too.

Here after his davos/wef speech. Incredible person. Thank you for this conversation.

Jordan... we think to GROW. There is no pursuit of TRUTH without thought; there is no growth without pursuit of truth; there is no HAPPINESS without growth.

This has been an excellent conversation, and it was very enlightening.

Excellent conversation

Such a great video thanks Dr Peterson much Respect From Anaheim

Great, interesting, free speech discussion on free speech.

So much depth here. What class acts

Wonderful news about the heritage project 👍👏🙏

Excellent discussion, I was very impressed with Dr Roberts, and his Heritage Foundation sounds like a more established cousin of the recently formed ARC. I'm a university drop-out of Dr Peterson's age group but what I have noticed in life is how the left-leaning types always have to have the last word, and always think they have the moral high ground. They see themselves as champions of the poor and marginalised, when in fact they actually feel contempt for such people if the latter groups dare to think for themselves, show a bit of common sense and perhaps lean to the right politically. In a pub in October middle class left-leaning woman was visibly shocked to hear that I aligned with Israel in terms of that nation's right to defend itself and respond to the Hamas attacks, as well as looking physically disgusted when I told her that I had voted to leave the EU in 2016 and my reasons for doing so. Over a month later I have learned that this same woman had sent a text message to the barwoman on duty that night, a lady who only does the odd shift at the pub in question. In the message, she was telling the barwoman to pass on to me that the Israelis were the villains, and so on, in other words wanting to have the last word. It is rather sinister in fact, and this woman could be a deep state operative of some kind who is trying to identify people who are perceived as right wing. However, other conversations in the local pubs have brought me into contact with intelligent, highly skilled working class men who think for themselves and are fed up with the neo-Marxist ideologies which are sweeping through the western societies like wildfire. Men like this have common sense and life experience in spades and give me hope for the future because they appear to have the force of character to have a positive influence on their own children and grandchildren.

Very nice intro piece.

Should've taken notes on this 1!

Great interview.. you definitely can get more answers from Dr Jan Halper-Hayes

The East and the West distinction in education Dr.Peterson asked is answered this way too: Chinese tradition of distinct words are many times very much distinctive when ontologically speaking, for example, when someone says "making connections" the "connection" is sometimes ability to relate one thing to another, but ultimate final approach, it turns out easily "evil background to certain actions, thoughts and practice" so when someone didn't intend this, it is advanced scandal more easily. People who have educated in the East and went to the West university very often do well even in humanity areas is that this distinctive system is put to English language it looks very refreshing and new foundation feeling, so if verve is not unique, they become pioneer too. I think Dr.Peterson is educator and he has given me to be explaining by some series of rescue purpose interview video for people, so I think he is good educator as I see it same to Dr.Pinker. This is otherwise advancing is that is not me, but certain other conditions, similarly mind people but not professor-oriented conditions.

Ayn Rand a legend, Peterson, your light weight compared to her...Who is John Galt? ❤❤❤

@SeeScotland

8 ай бұрын

@AFringedGentian Haha I wish.

Hi, Mr Jordan Peterson. I've been loving your content for many years and it help me grow as an individual! Will you come to France some day to give a talk? We're hoping to have this opportunity one day! Sincerely,

This criticism could apply to anything. Every philosophy. even every idea, can be taken either in moderation or in an extreme form. It is ultimately always up to the individual to decide what constitutes proper adherence to the ideology he has adopted.

Jordan, not Howard Roark (from The Fountainhead) but Hank Reardon, the steel manufacturer of Atlas Shrugged was Dagny's lover.

It was refreshing to hear you refer to the cherubim as "they," where so many speak either of "an angel" or, worse, "a cherubim" (the Hebrew -im is plural). So you got that part right, but you did not quite score a touchdown. You still assumed that the sword was being held (by whom--one of the cherubim, and which one?), when the text never says anything of the sort. In fact the image the text presents excludes the notion that any embodied creature, cherub or otherwise, was holding the sword. The text says that God placed cherubim there (how many the text doesn't say but other biblical references to such creatures allows one to envision four) AND a flaming sword spinning in every direction all at once. The image "by definition" doesn't allow for hands, human or otherwise, to be physically holding on to such a "sword" (metaphor?), anymore than you could contain an exploding firework in your hand, or for that matter even a dozen frisky kittens. The image is, rather, this ineffable, violently rotating (think perhaps of electons spinning around an atom's nucleus) "sword" and it's just...THERE, not specified as in anyone's, or anything's hands. It is not insignificant that cherubim, or creatures that may be taken as cherubim, can be traced through the biblical texts as accompanying theophanies, the manifestations of God. Which leads to the notion that this "spinning, flaming sword," apparently just hanging there in the air with no visible support, is a theophany, a manifestation of divine presence, forbidding return to the Garden. The point is not that Mankind cannot sneak back in by somehow slipping by an intimidating angel holding a sword, but that the very being of God ("being" in so many connotations--will, nature, presence) cannot and will not ever allow return there by any human contrivance or finagling. If there is ever to be a return it will be only by what you might call divine "contrivance," divine resolution of the apparentrly intractable dilemma. The Christian of course understands the divine remedy and way of return (significantly the Hebrew word for "repent" is acutally "return") to be the Person of Jesus Christ. If the only way back into the Garden was, impossibly, to break through the terrible, destroying theophanic "sword," then in Christ God Himself ("I am the Door") allowed the barrier to be breached, the veil to be torn, to Way of Return to be forged in Christ's own return to the Father, blazing the trail for all who will come in.

Very good discussion!

Enjoyed this conversation, despite Jordan's wrong take of Ayn Rand's rational self-interest.

The most compelling to think in my opinion is to prevent yourself from continuing to live and act in error.

Thank you and Greetings 👋

I would love to sit down and chat with you Dr. Peterson. Just think about it.

Preach Jordan preach, you are my prophet...

Don’t have any letters after my name… but question for Dr Peterson? Are you involved or participating in any think tank in Canada? If so which one. In business, the one I’m involved in debate and we question everything!! Prepare for the worst and hope for the best..It’s not always about being intellectually right. It’s about being as right as possible for everyone. Many ideas can look,sound politically right. But are totally unproductive and end up causing more pain than gain for the majority…keep it up guys ! Your work, interviews are very generous and appreciated! Thank you! I can say from my experience the truth works! In my work politics,beliefs,acceptance,ideas,other things and votes are irrelevant…. $$$$ are the measure that something or idea works. And the government love to collect taxes … accountability respect of laws and rules are good guidelines until new better ones are debated and created …wow scary future ahead if idiocracy (like funny movie by same name) continues to prevail…hope you guys are well paid! I’m patient but wow …

*_Atlas Shrugged_* isn't literature... it's a moral allegory!? Such was Nathaniel Branden's opinion, and I agree with him.

As huge fan of Goodkind's Sword of Truth series which was heavily influenced by Rand's philosophy, i clicked this very quickly lol

@CuriousCattery

8 ай бұрын

I'd really recommend reading her books especially the virtue of selfishness which lays out what self interest actually constitutes. You can find it on KZread as an audiobook. Objectivism is nothing like how Peterson characterizes it.

@gaozhi2007

8 ай бұрын

Seconded. Read some of her essays and ignore these strawmanning clowns.

@alexanderrahl7034

8 ай бұрын

I have "return of the primitive: the anti industrial revolution" And I keep starting and stopping it, usually out of what I'm ashamed to admit is a sort of low level anxiety as I realize the stuff she was writing about decades ago on "the new left" and the predictions she made that made her sound insane... are coming eerily true now.

@gaozhi2007

8 ай бұрын

​@@alexanderrahl7034 OMG. YES!! I am listening to it now, actually. I just finished the first essay on the FSM at Berkeley in the 1960s and EVERYTHING applies to what we are seeing now, it blew my mind actually.

@alexanderrahl7034

8 ай бұрын

@gaozhi2007 blew my mind too. Then it blew it some more, and I started getting quite worried lol

Love Peterson, but his characterization of rand is wildly off.

Go KEVIN! 🇺🇸 🌎

'Do you ask what moral obligation I owe to my fellow men? None-except the obligation I owe to myself, to material objects and to all of existence: rationality. I deal with men as my nature and theirs demands: by means of reason. I seek or desire nothing from them except such relations as they care to enter of their own voluntary choice.' - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

@esterhudson5104

8 ай бұрын

Until your fellow man has to go shopping…

I hear Roark and I know he means to say Rearden, but where the hell did he get Roark?

@jacquelinehochhausen8155

8 ай бұрын

Howard Roark was a protagonist in The Fountainhead.

@maurices5954

8 ай бұрын

Hank Rearden/Howard Roark, H.R. He's not the first, nor the last to confuse these characters but yeah, if you've supposedly read the book at least twice, you should be able to get the name right.

Are these conversations transcribed anywhere?

As someone that majored in studio art at a liberal arts college, I often felt alone in my convictions within the art department. I remember getting into an argument with a classmate promoting Communism as the way we should all live, however the other students were quick to shut it down. It was weird to me, because our professors put such a stress on, “finding one’s voice” but after 2016 it became apparent to me that there was only one voice that would be appreciate and promoted within the department and liked by the students.I say all that as someone that is politically unaffiliated. Honestly it seemed like suddenly a great chasm had opened up and set me apart from my colleagues. I haven’t talked to any of them since graduating in 2018. Going to California in 2019, I noticed it even more so. It does make it difficult to be an artist. The so-called Leftists dislike you and the people on the so-called Right seem to despise the arts as an inherently frivolous endeavor. I don’t know where I fit in.

@prestonowens4594

8 ай бұрын

@@AFringedGentian hello, thanks for replying. I hope you’re doing well today. Do you also think that so-called conservatives just don’t care about the arts? I’m not well read, and the only self ascribed Conservatives I’ve ever seen champion the arts were Roger Scruton, Andrew Klavan, and Michael Knowles. I’m not sure why that is exactly. I’ve worked as a janitor in a Midwestern factory since March of 2019, and at least in the Midwest it’s seems most people within the factory are apolitical and apathetic to any cause. It’s one of the reasons I don’t call myself a conservative personally. The majority of “conservatives” I’ve personally met in my state weren’t educated, had no idea of history or culture, and had some kinda out-there conspiracy theories. Although I’ve met many self-ascribed liberals in college and in my family that share a similar disposition and lack of education, and which also say some stuff I consider to be pretty wild. I don’t think that so-called liberals should be the only ones that seem to care. The people I’ve met, the ones that call themselves conservative or libertarian, honestly kinda come off as callous and detached from their fellow man. You can’t conserve things if you don’t see value in them, right?

I want to thank Peterson for giving me interesting food for thought when he does this. It's nice to listen to someone who's a levheaded philosopher. And learning as i go. I doubt hel see this but i feel it important to myself to speak it out loud.

The tree of liberty needs refreshment from time to time!

I've never read any Rand, but this conversation gives me the impression that Rand wants her protagonists to be Nietzschean "Supermen."

If you in the audience like Dr. Roberts, and you haven't already listed to or read Victor Davis Hanson's work, you should.

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GREAT AND THANKS

Really intuitive and another great touch on the responsibility thesis as well. Good job Peterson once more and thank you dr Kevin and I wish you all the very best.❤❤

Thanks

I’m just here for the brown suit.

I've developed a hypothesis about what the true difference between left and right is. Left hold Love over Truth and the Right holds Truth over love, the true Christian place on the spectrum is the center, because truth and love are coequal in the faith. For anyone who may disagree I mean Christians by practice of principles and not necessarily Christians by name or association, it's irrefutable that Christians by name have fallen short of the ideal to both the left and right of center some far worse than others.

@ryanscanlon2151

8 ай бұрын

@@konberner170 it's love without truth, it's a form of love that is misplaced because it isn't guided by truth which is doomed to failure and sacrifices the future of the person to their present happiness.

@ryanscanlon2151

8 ай бұрын

@@konberner170 yeah, love without truth becomes many different negative consequences but they are all fueled by love, and vise versa there are many negative forms truth without love takes where truth is the fuel for the action as well. Without both you can't have either and other negative forces fill the void

@ryanscanlon2151

8 ай бұрын

@@konberner170 sorry for not being clear but this is what I was going for, better analogy than mine but we agree you can't have one without the other. The fuel thing was a bit odd so my bad on that

@1:27:47 Exactly. You're an individual, but you're still part of a society. Something that was known to the ancients, but is still true today. The trick is figuring out where the boundary lies.

Happiness is when Jesus comes to you personally and ransoms you. The love you share is unimaginable and unbreakable. All human thought is worthless in comparison. He weighs your love. Your love is valuable.

“She (Rand) seems to attribute to them (her heroic characters) a ‘vague nobility of character’…”. How about grounding themselves on their own values based on rational (meaning here based on reason, I.e. objective) ethics? How is it possible after reading one of her books multiple times not to at least observe the nature of these characters, even if you disagree with the validity of this characterization?

This conversation is refreshing especially the comment reference to the 20 thousand conservatives taking replacement seats in government. I advocate 100k conservative replacements not only in government but in colleges, courts, and local governments.😊 Put another string on your guitar "Small Town."

Hey Jordan, you have made the statement a few times that "liberals are creative", alluding to their high openness. However, in my experience, I have found the opposite to be true. It seems to me, perhaps as part of this openness, liberals in general are much more willing to accept simple-minded and broad reaching ideologies that give too simple an explanation for almost every problem. In many cases, these ideologies seem to dismantle any healthy skepticism they otherwise might have had and gives them a moral surety that manifests itself as over-confidence, arrogance, and condescension. In order to be creative, one must be the opposite of this. One must be curious, humble, and willing to accept the extent of their own ignorance. Without any skepticism, there is no room for creativity as the answers all have solutions already. I am curious to hear your thoughts on this. Cheers, Jason Bell.

@hypno5690

7 ай бұрын

To say that you can't be creative and arrogant is very funny

@Jbell101792

7 ай бұрын

Good point, although I do think arrogance works against creativity.@@hypno5690