Ed’s impression made me realize McFarlane’s voice is Tony Clifton dialed down a few notches.

@geaux6034

2 жыл бұрын

Good call.

25:57 Damn, that pistol. ROFL...is that going to kill somebody or get them pregnant?

@callahan821

3 жыл бұрын

Right??

@cjolet

2 жыл бұрын

Glad I’m not the only one…

That Mignola spread at the end is better than both books combined by far.

Your channel has been an epiphany during these crazy times. Not a big reader anymore, but the passion you guys ooze with is highly contagious. Keep it up!

Spider-Man's foot front and center on the cover feels like McFarlane flexing on Liefeld.

One of the top reasons I watch this channel is Ed's impressions of McFarlane. 😄

Also Erik Larsens run on Spider-Man after Todd was pretty epic.

i was just over on another comics channel watching the host and the viewers shit all over Rob and landscape comics....i'm so glad you guys view Rob with a much more open mind. I have to throw an edit in, let's see you guys go in on Chapel, especially when Jae Lee was involved, second edit, went back and bought X-Factor 85 to fill an emotional gap.

Great video. Brings back memories of the 1990s. Thanks.

"Maybe that's Building 7." First really good laugh I've had in a while. Thanks, Ed.

@31:07 I think the reason Todd's style is tough to duplicate is because there is no real "logic" to the way he adds detail/noodles. Lee, Silvestri, etc. use anatomy and dynamic lighting to inform their rendering choices, where Todd is not concerned about anatomy, not particularly consistent with his lighting; it's like Jim says: it's just an organic, weird thing about the way Todd sees stuff. No one drew hamburger face Spawn like Todd, either, I think for the same reasons.

@MrMangaman1

3 жыл бұрын

He just puts himself in the mindset of a teenage boy and thinks "what would look cool as fuck here?"

McFarlane was doing Felix the Cat as far back as the Hulk...check it out

I just began re-reading X-Force when you guys posted this

The classic ‘let’s draw half an issue but flip it & enlarge it to fill two pages’ hustle.

Wouldn't want to be shot by Cable's gun.

@stranger59

3 жыл бұрын

Not without protection, at least.

@jamessheehan5937

3 жыл бұрын

He's cocked and loaded....

I attended a convention in Portland Oregon in the very early days of Image... I don't think Spawn had been released yet. Liefeld, Mcfarlane, Lee, and Valentino were there. I remember that they spent their break time at the action figure booth buying figures that they then took back to the autograph table and used as props to draw from.

1991- the excitement at Marvel Comics generated by Mr Liefeld, Mr McFarlane and Mr Lee was electric! This crossover, moreover the art in it, was much anticipated by me. However, Mr Liefeld had no competition from Mr McFarlane with his rendering of X-Force and vice versa the same for Spider-Man for Mr McFarlane. This was the beginning of the end for the Image founders at Marvel.

I feel like the odd non-black shadows on Juggernaut is Todd trying to get the effect that Cam Kennedy uses in comics like Light and Darkness War or Star Wars

Great analysis! This is my first time on this channel, and I think it’s great! Thank you so much for doing all this work on your videos. The depth of the discussion over censorship was great.

Excellent point about McFarlane and his visions of Toys R’ Us aisles full of his stuff...

Finally they’re talking about Mcfarlane and Liefeld!

These two were some of my favorite comics as a kid. I got them for my birthday the year they came out.

Damn, it's been like less than 24 hours since your last vid. Thanks for making comics fun again!

oh man I really love the colors in the x-force issue. so many awesome little accidents. (this is my first time seeing either of these interiors)

I haven't read my copy of Spider-Man #16 in decades, but I'm sure that on that last splash page (too small to see on my phone currently), Spider-Man has an extra finger on the hand he points with.

i dont care what they say, McFarlane made Spidey relevant again when he was being forgotten in the 90s!

Was so excited about this crossover back in the day. Thanks for the video. Nostalgia is a great thing.

I just started collecting again like 2 weeks ago. I actually have some of these because I’m collecting the juggernaut. These have been my favorite comics I got so far. The Todd McFarland Spider-Man is my favorite. It was action packed the art was awsome. I read it so fast it had me so captivated

*** 12:13: "This is the kind of storytelling I remember -- MacFarlane at the time would say he would draw like, half the issue -- randomly, just draw the pages. Lay 'em out on the floor, rearrange them, and kind of build his story after the pages are already drawn. It feels like this is perfect."*** Brilliant. The epiotme of visual storytelling. Draw a bunch of random illustrations, and then try to piece together a story after the fact. Truly embelmatic of what the comics medium is capable of. *** "One of the other tenants of the McFarland school of artwork is uh...why, why do something in nine panels when we could do it in two?" *** Because sometimes that's what the story requires, depending on the type of story being told by the writer. But most comics pages average about five to six panels. *** 12:41: "And that's what you get a lot of, man. In order to have your money shots, man, you need as few different individual drawings on a page." *** Well, I supposed that depends on what you think is required for a money shot. Again, most comics pages average five to six panels, and this allows one of them to stand out as the "money shot", which is not only what you see in comics (with variation, of course), but is also the advice given by visual storytelling instructors in art schools and professionals who do portfolio review at conventions.

McFarlane Cable looks like Stryfe on laundry day there

What, no mention of Spider-Man having six fingers on the last page? I mean, can it be a coincidence that the very last image of Spider-Man had that kind of mistake?

McFarlane's rubbery faces never appealed to me. But, when you said "Nobody does Xforce better than Rob..." I laughed. All you have to do is look at the massive X-poster from #1 to see Jim Lee drew everyone better than anyone else.

Todd'Father's Cable looks like... Overtkill 🤷‍♂️

I actually never read this crossover during its first run, I bought it as a bargain bin at a convention a few years ago. As silly as some of the plot points are I give Rob and Todd credit for giving kids at the time what they wanted

I have these issues. I'll have to find the Liefeld one. I keep all my Todd McFarlane stuff in one box. Also, I believe the story about Felix happened in the Comic Rack in Spokane, where Todd worked at the time.... and later came back to do signings for people... like me.

There was an artist by the name Pedi? His art was very MacFarlane. He did 2 issues of Supreme with Spawn in one of them.

Some crazed person needs to figure out exactly what the color process was for Continuity and Marvel at the time this was made and “correct” the colors to be what they were originally intended to be! (It won’t be as good but it would still be cool to see) 😎

Rob's Cable on the cover has a right hand on his left arm...

@Supertomscustoms

3 жыл бұрын

Why people still treat him like he’s this comic treasure is beyond me. It’d be like loving a basketball player as a kid even though he missed 85% of his shots. And your excuse was “that was just his thing!”

My favorite character of all time Cable...my fav artist Mc Farlane Im blown..

Just received my Oktobriana in the mail today! Looking forward to digging into it.

I was born in 1991, but I have always loved these! Quality content as always guys!

Issue 1 or 2 of Spider-Man had Lizard being impales which was also redrawn because of the code. (Ironically it was printed in Marvel age which also had the code on it.) I don’t know what the hell he expected with the eye thing. He engineered something to complain about.

Look'en at them back to back I think LieFeld has more pop & coolness to his art. I like them both though.

Did anybody ( a fan maybe? ) ever color correct this issue so we could see how it should have looked?

I bought these when they came out..I hate to say-but Todd's issue,artwork,was heads above Robs 2nd issue,Rob absolutely needed more time.

12:52 - according to MacFarlane, he left over a conflict with Marvel about this issue, so he probably hadn’t checked out yet. (Specifically, he drew Shatterstar stabbing Juggernaut in the eye and Marvel removed it.)

But Juggernaut is not the immovable object. He's the unstoppable force. Or am I wrong?

I have a brazilian edition of this crossover and i just found out that there are a couple of pages missing in that.

Idea for a drinking game: drink every time the word "man" is said in the video.

Guys this video sick I’ve had nightmares since I watched it thahhabks guys

I immediately thought..."That gun looks like a dick"

Ii honestly think they drew it sideways because Liefeld couldn't draw Juggernaut in correct prospective to the rest of the characters in smaller panels

god I love this channel.

LOL...the gun!!!!

I enjoyed Todd's writing on the Spider-Man title. I know he gets a lot of guff for bad storytelling, but I think Spider-Man #1 is a far better read than either X-Men #1 or X-Force #1. I never thought much of Spawn, but he was good at giving people what they wanted while he was writing Spider-Man.

I love hearing you guys, who are a few years younger than me, talk about this pre-Image era and what you liked about it. I was less than impressed with these new superstar artists taking over my favorite books. The upside was that I could drop some of my hero books and free up funds to start exploring the indies.

I never knew what the hell was the deal with this issue's coloring until a few weeks ago when I saw your previous video. I definitely second Jim's comment, I always thought it looked rad as f--- and would definitely love to see more of this weird stuff in comics. That GW Bridge panel with lots of blues looked like some sort of blue light reflection from a screen, the colors on Cable were the environment reflecting on his chrome armor, I made my own head canon and loved it.

I like the fluorescent cover the best

BOOF and the Bruise Crew shout out!! :D

More heat! I can't wait to watch this.

I total forgot about the hidden felixes.

I have this xforce joins Spider-Man signed by Stan lee

So many teeth 40:10 Juggernaut literally has 50 teeth.

the marvel era conclusion to todd mcfaralne's career and the post watershed of rob liefeld's marvel era career colliding in a kinetic collision of action action action!.

I wonder if he could get in trouble for that Felix the cat lol wouldn’t doubt it in this world today

17:20 Rebel by Pepe Moreno also has a prophetic depiction of the twin towers destroyed.

These are quarter bin classics now

Would be great to hear you guys take on Grant Morrisons Doom Force one shot from 1992 . . .

All the audio in this recording is in the right headphone. Can you guys make these recordings stereo? It's disorienting for headphone users

(that gun looks like a bepis)

Wow

This ones for Ed...CABLE DOUBLE SPLASH...D!ck Pistol? Come to think of it How many dog and balls can Todd hide in that image. It's like those Highlight magazine pics where you have to find the hidden items...or...I'm just making shit up trying to see what your talking about. Heh heh.

Haha, I bought this one, too... We were stupid. Good art, though.

I love this, but you creasing pages to make it lie flat is giving me anxiety.

Cyan street sign! on page 2 and 3. McFarlane baby.

What a strange gimmick. Could never understand why this comic was like this when I was young. Let's say Rob is put on Spider-Man instead of Todd, I wonder what changes to the character he would of brought? In this he's just replicating (as best as Mr. Liefeld can do) McFarlanes design. Would he have made the eyes so big? Maybe to compensate for the little feet he would of definitely gave him.

Sadly I have a negative association with this crossover. In the days following 9/11 I, an unemployed 23 year old, pulled out a bunch of old comics to read because I just couldn’t stomach watching the news anymore. I’m enjoying the escape from the horrors of the day and then BOOM the twin towers are destroyed by the Juggernaut and I throw the comic across the room.

McFarlane was a cop out. Make 9 panels into ,3 it lazy writing. He drew this was because he knew he wasn't a good writer do his art dominated his writing. It's still like that. I lost interest in Todd after spawn 8 I think. I don't care for him as a person or creator. Rob....lol..he's another level I can't even talk about. His writing is probably worse ( major X) lol..🤢🤣. I was more into lee and Williams Claremont bill sienkiewicz abstract art that was happening behind the image guys. Good review guys👍🏻. P.s I thought Todd redrew that juggernaut panel it wasn't someone else. He rushed it that's why it looks weird? I thought he said that.

A great example of how once could have fallen for mediocrity. I guess there was a dearth of talent back ion the day, but man, these guys are just terrible. The damage that they did for storytelling cannot be understated.