CORRECTIONS & THINGS WE MISSED: - 15:26 I meant to say the sweetness is a little higher. The 200s are definitely sweetness forward and the SSP MPs are more clinical. - Everyone may not want to do this but you can absolutely use this grinder sideways, making the rear dial a side dial and the workflow is still great (This was also mentioned by Adrian in the comments).

How can you all so quickly become my favorite coffee channel? Humorous, real, and just great reviews with details I haven't traditionally heard--but avoiding some details that I think are a little out of scope for all but the Hedricks of us. This grinder is absolutely on my list now.

6:58 That's exactly what most grinder manufacturers are missing, they don't design the auger in conjunction with the burrs. Kudos to Mazzer for thinking that through and testing them in combination! those 200D higher clarity burrs are definitely interesting, I'm curious how they'll perform on other grinders too.

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

Absolutely. The 200s are very promising and a lot cheaper than the SSPs. I'll be putting these in the DF64 to see how they do. Should be interesting.

@adrianmichaelsmith

8 күн бұрын

Ben, for the price this an amazing grinder - looking forward to your Rants. For once the UK gets a product earlier than the USA (key is now for sale!). great service from Mazzer buying direct.

I have been a Mazzer fan ever since noticing their unique name plates on their Jollys and Majors, used in our local cafe (they make good espresso, too). They do make the Mazzer Mini by the way, which is aimed at the home market, but that grinder seems to have gotten left behind in the conversation, after the recent huge influx of other international players. Still, I love the design and robustness of their grinders. I hope this one is successful for them. Thanks for your thoughts on this one!

@gr3g0r5

9 күн бұрын

The mini isn't aimed at the home market, it's aimed at small cafes and for larger ones for decaf or b-options. The mini isn't that popular in the home market anymore because it wasn't designed for the home and the newer players make grinders that are way better optimised for home-use. I had one for years but it just doesn't work well in the home at least nowhere near as well as modern single dose grinder

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

Thanks Tom! Yeah it's a company that's built a really good reputation. The mini while found in some homes I would say still fits better in a small and definitely feels outdated in today's landscape of single dosing grinders. I'm definitely curious to see how it's received by home enthusiasts, given how saturated the market is.

@TomsCoffeeCorner

9 күн бұрын

@@aramse The dosered Minis were never meant for the home, but the doserless models were. They admittedly have quite a bit of dead space in the chamber, that is right. But the grinder itself is robust and high-quality. I would compare the Mazzer Mini E to the Rocket Fausto, which is also a home grinder. At least those are my thoughts on it. But no matter how you slice it, it’s a nice company that crafts stately grinders.

@philjklew

8 күн бұрын

I had owned a Mazzer Mini for 17 years (and I bought it secondhand). It had never missed a beat and could have lasted my whole coffee journey. It wasn't perfect, mainly from a workflow point of view but there were lots of modders out there providing ways of improving the design. I converted it into a single doser for the last couple of years and then finally took the plunge into a dedicated single dose grinder and bought a Timemore Sculptor 078S. The Timemore shows that progress has been made over these years - adjusting grind setting is much easier, it is quicker to grind and is much quieter with less ground retention. I haven't noticed a massive taste difference so far, but the Timemore certainly fits my needs better. The Mazzer Philos certainly has its own charm in an over engineered, brutalist kind of way but seems pricey compared to its competition.

"I take no responsibility if you taste notes of stainless steel in your next brew". Best hahaha

My and my Philos did Like Your review and agree on Most of Your Points 😝 Got the i200d burrs and had a p64 before, i got bored of the p64 and hated the Static (and rdt) with rdt the beans Always got stuck and Made it a pain to use. With the auger of the Philos and no need for rdt im so Happy! The burrs create awesome modern light roast Espresso and the Haptic is amazing (except the cheap ass knocker 😅 ) For Filter i prefer my 078 and it isnt even Close imo! Im so glad that mazzer nailed the Philos and understand the Market, im Really looking Forward to the next new Releases 🥳

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

Agreed on both fronts. The 78 on filter is hard to beat. You need to spend a lot more $$$ do better.

@Persason

8 күн бұрын

@@aramse Damn I was really hoping this would do great on filter too. I have already ordered mine. I have never tried the 78 but It has gotten alot of praise. Would you say the 78 is better than the ditting burrs for filter? Also how do the 78 differ from the i200D on filter?

@Hygros

8 күн бұрын

@@aramse Hello. Please tell me how do you grind coffee beans in 078 for v60? At which click, what is the rotation speed, slow feed or not, do you tap the dust into the trash or into the grinding?

@aramse

8 күн бұрын

@@Persason tbh the 200s are really good on filter and very sweetness forward, which is great. As for the 78 vs the Ditting I haven't tried them but comparing to the SSP LS V2 I prefer the 78. More clarity but not fractured like the MPs and juicier brews. It's hard to describe really but if you had say 5 ingredients the 78 puts them together in the the most pleasing way to my palate.

I just found you guys and this is a great review. Funny in a self-deprecating way, informative and with the right amount of detail. I just smashed the Subscribe button! Keep it up. Now a review of the Casa would be timely! ;)

@aramse

8 күн бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

Love your sense of humour, Aramse :-) Have a nice weekend!

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

Hey thank you!

First time I've come across your channel. Very insightful analysis and easy to understand. Just bought a df64 v2 3 months ago but nothing wrong with watching you play with a grinder that makes me suffer buyer's remorse haha. Love your sense of humour too, liked and subscribed. Coffee connoisseur living in Hanoi, Vietnam, and yes I also watch Hoffmann, Hedricks, Sprometheus etc.

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

Hey welcome to the channel. Glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for the sub.

Other than superior 3rd party burr support, is there any other advantage to purchasing say the Zerno/P64 over the Philos? Have you noticed any better tasting cups from either the P64 or Zerno over the Philos?

no issue with helping you fund your next vacation. love the discussion on the design

Excellent review!

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

Thank you

@aramse Why does everyone say the adjustment dial is on the back. It works just great with the adjust dial at right side. Switch directly in front of me . Catch cup at left. Sits at the back of the workbench next to acs evo mk2, blending in perfectly colour wise. Unfortunately i cant add a photo here to show how it should be the way to use it not front to back!! Scales and tamper etc in front of it. Catch cup earthed by the magnet and the base combined with other materials means no static issues Best grinder in this price point and way above .

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

Haha I realised this moments after publishing the video. You can absolutely orient this grinder sideways and have full functionality.

@adrianmichaelsmith

9 күн бұрын

@@aramse for 90 percent of your video you very nearly have it in that orientation on your desk :-)

@aramse Excellent review, thanks! I've been playing around with my Philos for a week now and still not sure how I feel about the burrs (i200d). So I was wondering, if I swap to SPP Cast (not fan of MP) or Ode gen 2 (loved the burrs, hated the grinder), is alignment mandatory? Thanks!

According to Mazzer, the plate is actually foreseen to be a replacement, and it will be available as a spare part. Since i did not want it to be scratched, I covered the plate with adhesive conducting tape. I switched from a DF64 Gen1 and i love the Philos.

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

Good to know. That is definitely on of the weak points when it comes to the overall build

Nice pot shot at the green bean grinder testers, " who like their coffee raw"... pearler!

The way it’s being reviewed, says a lot about you being an industrial designer.

Great video! I love your deadpan humor as well. 😀 I roast at home with the Kaffelogic Nano 7, and I think the Philos would be perfect for cafes with roasteries, where they need to single dose many coffees and trial roasts for cupping. Being able to quickly clean it between different beans reduces cross contamination is great, and it can do double duty on the counter for serving single origins and decafs, alongside a hopper filled with the house blend. I can hardly wait for it to arrive in the US. BTW, check out the Kaffelogic if you can. I could replace every piece of espresso gear that I own with some similar product and be happy, but the Nano 7 is the only home roaster that checks all the boxes for me. It’s worth a review. (I’m just a happy customer and I’m not affiliated with them.)

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

For sure. The ease of opening up and cleaning it quickly while maintaining grind size is great for cafes. Also I've heard great things about the nano 7. Roasting is something that I've consciously stayed away from cuz I don't think I have the time to get into another rabbit hole. haha.

@JonFairhurst

9 күн бұрын

Fortunately, roasting is not a money rabbit hole, but it does take some time, especially at first. Yes, the roaster is an up-front investment, but it cuts bean cost to about 25% for specialty coffee here in the US. With two people and four espressos a day, we paid it off in less than a year as an early backer. Regarding time, I needed a few months to develop my process. I’ll buy one kg of a new bean, make iterative 80g roasts, and do two or three cuppings. If it doesn’t “sing”, I’ll move on. If it does, I buy 5kg and give it a name. To make more, I do 160g batches (get the BOOST ring), and I can just put in the coffee, hit Play, and go about my business for the next 15 minutes. The Nano 7 is great in that it is electric, vents well under a standard kitchen hood, lets you program it or use stock profiles, and is 100% hands off for “production”. Clean up is just a matter of dumping the chaff into the garbage can. The quality is excellent, the repeatability is virtually perfect, and I get coffee roasted just as I like it. There is definitely an up-front investment of time and money, but now I get amazing coffee for about $5 a bag in about the same time that I would spend driving to the local roasters. Cheers!

Please make a video on the EG1 by Weber Workshop? Your thoughts and expertise are so needed! Thanks. Really love and admire your work 🫶

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

We'd need some more Patreon funds to justify buying one just from review. Haha. I will see if we can get one on loan.

Great review! Always love the clear and concise way you communicate info. For fruit forward coffee, are you seeing significant performance gains between the 078s vs the philos? Wondering how much the auger gains in the cup

@aramse

8 күн бұрын

They present different profiles. The 78 is more punchy, jucier, clearer and just overall more cohesive. The 200 are more gentle, sweetness forward, good clarity and much nicer texture than the SSP MPs if you've tried those. TBH one would be happy with either. Also there are certain funky coffees that are just too intense on the 78 and the 200s tame them better. I'm not big on the funk but if that's something you're into then you may lean towards the 200s. As for the auger, both grinders have them and both seem to have a significant impact in the cup but the 78 definitely does more pre-breaking.

@jblaze55

8 күн бұрын

@@aramse thank you so much for the response!

Nice to see reviews starting to pour in. Very happy with my Philos so far.

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

Which burrs did you get and do you use it mostly for espresso or filter?

For me, this is the one.

I wonder if the catch cup from thie Philos would fit well under a Timemore Sculptor 078/078s. Do all the grinds tend to fall out without sticking to bottom/sides?

@guiwood

9 күн бұрын

I hate the sculptor catch cup, so much static

well for obscure places there are wingnut drivers

Great review, i am happy with my Philos, but iam wondering if you found any need for WDT/RDT?

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

No I haven’t needed RDT. WDT will still help for distribution.

@adrianmichaelsmith

9 күн бұрын

RDT is definitely not required. WDT is a habit i cant shake (!) although it seems to help channelling . i fundamentally do not like the idea or RDT some grinders really do need it. (I have a weber key for sale if anyone is looking in the UK!) This definitely doesn't need RDT despite what you may have heard some "Influencer(S)" on different videos rambling on about along with lack of plasma generators. It definitely doesn't need one of those or even and ion generator for that matter which would be more fitting!. I purchased the Philos after reading so many good reviews on coffeetime forum. Its definitely well thought out and well worth the asking price. At the time i did not realise i was in the market for another grinder!! beware if you are in the UK. Make sure you purchase direct from Mazzer or you can easily be paying 50 to 80 percent price increase from some genuine looking web sites. cant name here, just be careful and trust Mazzer. great customer service and delivery from them as well.

Any chance you’ll review the EK43?

It looks really nice and Mazzer quality and support are well known, but for the money the Zerno just seems better overall. In addition to the SSP in the box, you get a smaller footprint, blind burrs, and a pre-breaker which are important to me. However, I would venture to guess that the Mazzer can will be delivered much faster, I've heard it can be rough trying to get a Z1. I haven't tried either one, however (maybe some day...) but would you say one has better build quality over the other?

THX...but, probably, I will have to wait for my 16kg 20yo major to fall apart...another decade or two...

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

Lol

I AM AWARE I NEED HELP TOO :P SUPER VIDEO

I think it’s great except it’s missing features like anti static, bellows or knocker, blind burrs. They designed prior to that stuff from what sprometheus said. Otherwise I think it’s an amazing grinder that will last forever

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

It kind of has anti static if you use the stock catch cup, bellows are not really necessary as retention is very low. You can tap the hopper lid if you like. It absolutely does have a knocker that works very well and you get the dose finisher to lower retention even more. Blind burrs are missing through.

@philindeblanc

7 күн бұрын

@@aramse Isnt 6 micron per click pretty bad? I am hearing .05 micron on some grinders. With such a large dial, you would think it would be more precise.

Mazzer du make quality products that take some serious beating, but 64mm that are fine doesn’t entirely pull out the sort of dept and complexity of larger burr, I tried a large range of them and generally those are harder dial in than bigger, especially for light roast. I do think the price is high but not unreasonable so, here it’s still much cheaper than P64 so I reckon it’s okay if you value build over burr size. I would have liked it to use that real estate better for larger burrs.

@philindeblanc

7 күн бұрын

This maybe due to marketing, as the 64mm burr is the most common for home enthusiasts, and I can see them make a interchangeable larger burr carrier. Its a possibility...And a smart move on their part if they did plan for that. You keep the grinder and maybe buy a carrier for a few hundred.

@mikni4069

7 күн бұрын

@@philindeblanc Unlikely, Mazzer already have another 83mm low retention grinder, I think it’s a safe bet this is why the burrs are 64 and not 83mm as not to undermine the sales of the ZM. Also no there isn’t space for a larger burr inside, what we meant by it is the grinder size is so large they could have made it with 83mm by machining the grinding chamber larger, instead they have a huge chunk of metal around it which isn’t necessary to that degree

Does the i200 burrs fit on df64?

@nikdeb4481

9 күн бұрын

Also interested to know this

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

Yup fits perfectly but you will need to request Mazzer to ship their o rings as the ones that come with the DF are a bit too tall.

i agree with reddit about the rear grind adjustment. i feel like 90% of home set ups will have this flush against a wall which is going to make this awkward.

@adrianmichaelsmith

8 күн бұрын

am i the only one who uses i on a worktop under a counter turned 90 degrees to how you describe. ive added a video and expect only abuse in the comments!! its unfortunate you cant add a picture in these comments. i just found it natural to place it in front of me best grinder ive had, and ive had a few, including 2 at higher price point than this one. Anyone in the uk looking for a weber key? 🙂

@geckothelizard

7 күн бұрын

@@adrianmichaelsmithi guess it depends on how much space you have managed to negotiate for your ‘coffee corner’ 😅 at least a front adjustment would satisfy both scenarios !

Suggestion: get a dial indicator to test for alignment and dynamic stability. These cant be reviewed by just playing around with the grinder.

How does it compare to the Zerno ?

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

Still waiting for a Zerno. In theory the slightly tighter tolerances, auger that's also a prebreaker and the blind burrs should give it a slight edge in the cup but I'll have to wait to test that.

@philindeblanc

7 күн бұрын

I hate the look of the Zerno. Last thing I want is a mac monitor on my coffee bar.

If it was

I'm just sitting here, looking at my Niche Zero and asking myself if I need to replace it😅

@adrianmichaelsmith

9 күн бұрын

I had 3 perfectly good grinders...... The Philos is in pride of place now.

@dabougi8063

5 күн бұрын

I am here, thinking exactly the same

TLDW but from the thumbnail I thought that's a stick vacuum

@aramse

6 күн бұрын

We have detailed chapter markers so you can watch exactly what you’re looking for.

I saw "The Beast" caption and automatically assumed Daigo of FGC fame was grinding coffee...slightly dissapointed by the video...

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

lol. Sorry to disappoint.

Stop wearing skinny jeans da. Nice review!

“I don’t know what that says about me …, so let’s just move on.”

Hey can you post best espresso machine for home and grinder ?

@adrianmichaelsmith

9 күн бұрын

ACS evo leva MK2 and Mazzer Philos grinder

@philindeblanc

7 күн бұрын

Best ends up being about the work flow after a certain point, and the money you spend more is a diminishing return. Take the 400 DF64gen2. Bretty dam great. Can you do better? maybe. I think after a cerain point you are paying for name, finish maybe some build, and the burr hype.

@pateljeni1

7 күн бұрын

@@philindeblanc thnks buddy I’m my Bridget this and about espresso machine good quality? At least pid there I want like life time

these burr comparisons are funny but i think one of the most intruiguing questions is: is there a big difference between ssp mp and $30 copy from aliexpress? thx for a great video as always!

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

I'm pretty sure Lance would have tested that. Haha.

@philindeblanc

7 күн бұрын

It is amazing how much reviewers talk about so much difference between burrs...Yes, I think there are, but there are so many variables, and by the time you swap burrs, or even pull another shot, you will need to do maybe 3-4 tastes to actually know if its the burrs....and are these new burrs vs worked in burrs, and how can you even match the optimal setting and pull time to the specific bean one is using?? AND then you have ONE person tasting it...LOLOL....its such a marketing to sell burrs in my opinion.

Excellent one and different to other channels, bring lagom01 for a deep review

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

Thank you so much! Need deep pockets to justify that purchase just for a review. Maybe if we get more support on Patreon.

@ricard3851

9 күн бұрын

@@aramse I am sure they can offer a good deal for this very good channel

if you're considering 64mm grinder, just buy a Zerno....

@aramse

8 күн бұрын

It's a price big jump in price from the Philos to the Zerno though.

@IamMotionMedia

8 күн бұрын

@@aramse my typical motto applies here - "cry once"

@philindeblanc

7 күн бұрын

I cant! that thing is too ugly looking. last thing I want is a Mac monitor stand for my coffee bar!

@IamMotionMedia

7 күн бұрын

@@philindeblanc speaks volumes as to the type of coffee you like and the coffee person u are you

@philindeblanc

5 күн бұрын

@@IamMotionMedia Ya, I appreciate good design, like this Mazzer, but a monitor stand for a grinder...Not gonna do it! I think its the worst looking one next to the fugly Niche....but that at least has a category it shines, in, the retro style. So I give that a pass. But this is just lazy design work for the Zerno.

Having the grind setting on the back is a big design miss, period!

@adrianmichaelsmith

9 күн бұрын

no, if only i could post a picture here you would see how great it is at the back of the counter, dial on the right , switch directly in front of me and feed / cup on the left.. then loads of space for scales, tamping etc in front of it.

@dejedejsson

8 күн бұрын

@@adrianmichaelsmith Yeah right, put it under a kitchen cabinet and come back and say how well it works, stop defending something that is so obviously wrong, are you involved with Mazzer? My daughter is an industrial designer and the first thing she said was that whoever designs the machine must have slept in class during the first 2 years of the training!

@adrianmichaelsmith

8 күн бұрын

​@@dejedejsson be very careful with you accusations. you are wrong on every statement and belief. i do not work in the coffee industry or anything even loosely related to it you should apologise to Mazzer. it fits perfectly under a cabinet. have added a video just for a fool like you to see. i expect to see your ridiculous comments! There's hope that in time and with experience your daughter will develop and realise first thoughts are not always correct. there's possibly no hope for you. This is an amazing grinder at this price point.

Sorry to me it is an overly large overstyled and ugly mess of conflicting shapes and angles, pointlessly big for a home use machine, and too small with no cooling for a commercial machine, too expensive and will not find a market for something that has so many competitors in the space.

@aramse

4 күн бұрын

Have you used it? Honestly it’s a very different experience in the flesh compared to images. But yeah looks are subjective and your opinion is just as valid as mine. As for how successful it’ll be we’ll have to wait and see. IMO the combo of the price and the brand actually make a very attractive option for the high end home market.

just get a 83mm for that price... Not even "competitive"

@adrianmichaelsmith

9 күн бұрын

I did have a df83. Did, but this is far better. Build quality is next level in comparison. Theres no way you can say all 83mm are better than all 64mm. I still use the Duo for Decaf. That's also a great grinder.

@aramse

9 күн бұрын

Most of the 83s in this price bracket or below just aren't on the same level when it comes to build quality. If that's something you care about then it's not such a no brainer decision.

very typical "italian design" that it's this mix of crazy overdoing it in some materials and then having the parts that you touch every. single. time. you use it feel bad. Italian design for me means superficial instead of deeply engineered. In a cafe you usually change the grind setting a lot and want to do it quickly without needing both hands. It's a terrible design that totally misses the reality of how coffee works. Not to mention how it makes finding a spot that fits the grinder much harder. It's different for the sake of being different. Very Italian design.

@lw169

9 күн бұрын

Just used it in my cafe for two weeks. Works amazing. We usually offer 2 types of espresso and 2x V60. Using it mostly for those v60 or cuppings. As it’s advertised for a commercial use it’s not to huge I would say. Going smaller wouldn’t fit in that enviroment. I don’t know the coffee places you go to but I doubt you the the baristas touching the grindsetting more than 1-2x a day 🤔 (except grinding bags for customers- but that’s not where the grinder is meant for)

@adrianmichaelsmith

9 күн бұрын

Had mine 2 weeks. Best ive had. I use it turned 90 degrees to your description. Best grinder. Best workflow. No static.

@user-qt5xh9mt7x

9 күн бұрын

What a stupid thing to say. The wheel in the back is feels extremely natural after like two minutes, you'd know if you laid hands on it. It's a fantastic design, also it lets you clean and change burrs without interfering with grind setting mechanics

@philindeblanc

7 күн бұрын

Then I need to pull out this tool to get no retention? How does a 400-600 grinder get this right...and its made in China, LOL. No variable spped? OK, no biggy, then plastic at the parts that we deal with daily? Hmm, I actually prefer the plastic over the stupid wood everyone uses, but a simple anodized or brushed aluminum would have been easy to do, or as in the review, better plastic. Also It does look pretty big for the home. Would hate it if its tower over my espresso machine...but thats OK if all is perfect. I dont know...Not sold. Still see the DF64gen2 or the V being well made, and 6 micron is actually a lot vs what I saw a review for...I cant remember which, but its .05 microns!! So...!?

@user-qt5xh9mt7x

7 күн бұрын

@@philindeblanc Your 400-600€ grinder will fall apart in a year, variable speed is a gimmick which is simply not needed, the 'plastic parts' like the switch are due to food regulations, the rubber plastic on top is to avoid vibrations/dinging with the hopper, but most importantly, the Philos makes a much better cup than the DF64

Im not sure if there's some official way to say what im about to say, this is aimed just at UK buyers. First though, @aramse great review. I just want to make the point that the Philos is available to purchase direct from Mazer for direct delivery to the UK. I have seen 4 or 5 retailers advertising this as in stock at prices from £1300 to £1500 . Direct price after import duty is £900. These are not scams either so my warning is simply buyer beware. they are doing nothing wrong, i guess ths is just the lottery of purchasing retail products in the UK. i've already been accused by one fool of working for Mazer. the only tenuous link i have to Mazzer is I have purchased Mazzer Philos, niche zero, niche duo, weber Key, Craig Lyn HG-1 prime, so you could say im a fan!

Do the I200D burrs fit any other grinders and did you try them anywhere else?

@aramse

7 күн бұрын

They fit fine in the DF64 and the ode but you need the smaller Mazzer oring which I'm sure you can request for when you place the order.