Being a musician, Matthieu's "8 is like 1" is literally a true statement in musical language. The 8th note in a scale is the higher version of the 1st.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

"a higher version of the 1st" I like that. Drew, the ethnomusicologist, gave a similar insight in our conversation - kzread.info/dash/bejne/pYKJxtiBc8i9n6g.html

@tensevo

Жыл бұрын

octave

@francois_leveille

Жыл бұрын

So true! Thanks for connecting the dot for me!

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

@@billstevens1010 you nailed it. Dominant 7th is quite unlike the other notes that crowns the scale.

@johnmkmu

Жыл бұрын

Isn’t it also magical (providential) that there ARE 7 tones in the scale?? I’ve spent most of my life trying to understand how/when/where/why that truth exists.

"Symbolism hides in plain sight" - love that. Reminds me of a great line in Chesterton's Orthodoxy: “Fairy tales say that apples were golden only to refresh the forgotten moment when we found that they were green. They make rivers run with wine only to make us remember, for one wild moment, that they run with water.”

@so_she_said

Жыл бұрын

I love Chesterton, wonderful quote.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Good bless Chesterton. Thanks for the quote. I'm glad you dropped by.

@TwinCitiesOxygen

Жыл бұрын

What’s this mean

Matthieu would make an amazing monk

@suppression2142

Жыл бұрын

He basically seems to be one lmao

You are the best interviewer Derek. Really impressed man. This interview is the most insightful conversation I’ve seen of Matthieu before

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you for your complement. That means a lot, especially considering the company of people who have interviewed Matthieu.

@JakeEatsPizzaRolls

Жыл бұрын

Just wanting to second this. It seems you really got him into his element and met his perspective so he could just talk from there instead of just trying to explain it. And it led to us getting some little Easter eggs to chew on

@suppression2142

Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see you talk about what he talks about here! In regards to the Samson and david and the moon cycles water and the sun and fire and all of these things he mentioned and how they all connect as well.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

@@suppression2142 Funny, I just posted a clip from this very section ;) kzread.info/dash/bejne/pZx5qdWvltqWac4.html It has me pondering more deeply as well. If I come up with insights that might be helpful, I will share them with you.

@suppression2142

Жыл бұрын

@@DerekJFiedler I look forward to it :)

really gives a new meaning to 'love your enemy'

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

It really does. King "Master of the cycles" David sets the pattern.

@suppression2142

Жыл бұрын

@@DerekJFiedler explains the meaning of crowns 👑

@HelloPrkr

10 ай бұрын

@@suppression2142- could you help elaborate here on the crown?

@rainking50

Ай бұрын

Could you say more? Thank you! ​@@suppression2142

Came back to make one more comment. I really like the Paegeau brothers.

@joolz5747

Жыл бұрын

Oops I wanted to also say Derek you’re really very nice to listen to as well. I decided to subscribe and see what you got going. Thank you for the interview

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

@@joolz5747 I'm glad you enjoyed the interview and subscribed. It's a pleasure to have you join us on the adventure. As it turns out, my most recent conversation was with Jonathan Pageau.

Matthieu has changed my life. I really wish he would be more public, but I understand why he doesn’t.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing. You never know what a new spring has in store.

@mondopinion3777

Жыл бұрын

I fear for Jonathan in his increasingly busy public life. At times he looks somewhat lost and unsure of himself. Matthieu's face is full of peace and light.

by far one of the greatest, if not the greatest conversation I've ever heard on KZread. life-changing.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

I'm honored it made such an impact in your life. What about the conversation did you find to be so life changing? Was there a certain section?

@joolz5747

Жыл бұрын

Dear Matthew. I never listened to you. I always listen to your brother. I just look when I see you I find this was wonderful you and he are very similar in the way your mind and heart think. You must have wonderful parents. I love listening to you. We need more people like you brothers. Thank you for sharing. Love you.

This conversation is so important to me that I'm only listening to it in like 15 minutes chunks. I'm just completely blown away by all this

Gardening really reveals the patterns of reality. I often find myself using gardening analogies. Parable of the sower is obviously the best example of that

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

absolutely.

@mondopinion3777

Жыл бұрын

There must be a certain ruthlessness in gardening -- thinning seedlings, pruning, pulling out the fine young weeds . . It helps me understand some of the hard words in the Bible.

@06rtm

Жыл бұрын

@@mondopinion3777 Agreed. The right hand has its place.

@HelloPrkr

10 ай бұрын

I often let mine go in cycles, of “chaos” for renewal, and “order” for fruiting. I’m just now realizing this when I went to reply. 😅 .

The section on David and Samson was pure fire, even if I'm sure I don't fully understand the symbolism. Thank you for this excellent interview!

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome. I'm glad you found it helpful. I found that section most thought provoking as well. Has me digging deeper.

@fishosoficaldebaitsphiloso7760

Жыл бұрын

I very much aspire to way of thinking after spending too much time studying existentialism. For the past few months I’ve felt more and more outside of human space and time- which seems to me how Pageau lives.

What a great conversation. Electrifying insights! Thank you both!

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

It was so wonderful to witness the mutual delight during last night’s discussion. Especially Matthieu as he “gave up” bits of recent insights. That is a testament of his trust and honor of you Derek. What a marvel it is to gain access to such “wilderness” thinkers as these little gems get worked out. Both of you are exemplars of what our hearts and souls our nourished by; authentic & genuine searching, and sharing….Bless you both in all your days to come

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your encouragement. "Wilderness" thinker. I like that.

This is so much better than the JBP interview

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Wow, I'm honored you'd say that.

@dianebachand6139

Жыл бұрын

I agree. He was less interrupted. He had more time to explain what he was talking about.

there is some serious gold in this conversation. sometimes i don’t realize how much God has used Matthieu to reveal reality to me in a way that has brought the magic and wonder of life into everything i experience. i can’t wait to thank this guy whether in this life or the next

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Well said. You speak for many.

Absolutely best Matthieu conversation I've heard so far. What a cool and interesting dude like damn

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it. Thank you for the compliment. Means a lot considering his previous interviews.

Coming back for another round. I am a granite stone worker. Everything I do is manual and physical. I listen to podcasts like these and audiobooks while I work, and I get some of my best insights at work. I like to think of it like, my unconscious if fully occupied by the physical task at hand, so my conscious is fully attended towards the information I am receiving.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

That's beautiful. Thanks for sharing. Glad you came for another listen.

@a2wingedeagle

Жыл бұрын

I like to watch videos like these while playing video games for a similar reason lol

@HelloPrkr

10 ай бұрын

I listen to them as well. I’m an island of thought with my immediate surroundings, and view these conversations as we would be gathered around the fire at night, counseling with our cadre. . Be well brothers on the path. I will see you around the campfire 🙏

Matthieu, it is also well known, w/people that live w/epilepsy, that more seizures occur when there’s a full moon. Thanks for all your insight!

@DerekJFiedler

4 ай бұрын

Interesting. Thank you for sharing.

Can’t wait for his next book!

32:12 (the omniscience of God) This makes me so happy to hear. Whenever I hear people talk about God being all knowing, it radically demystifies the stories. Everything becomes arbitrary because everything is predetermined. When that happens, it invokes an experience of radical disconnection and alienation. It makes me really happy to hear that this isn't a problem unique to me! This was great, thaks Derek.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Well put. Thank you, sir.

@ethanb2554

Жыл бұрын

@Phlebas 😁

@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026

Жыл бұрын

I have heard Dr McGilchrist talking about these theological concepts and being dubious about what they convey. I am not sure if he actually articulates the underlying concern as well as you and Matthie; however, the common focus is very interesting,. A conversation between Matthieu and Dr McGilchrist would be fascinsting.

6:25 It's definitely true about the light. I live in a house that was built before electricity was in the area. Later, the main spaces had lights put in but they did not wire up the bedrooms. When in my room I have only a desk lamp so we live largely by natural light in the bedrooms. The lamp is used primarily for evening prayer and I don't turn it on much besides that. I don't wear a watch either so I have become used to telling time by light as he describes, although since my light comes from windows rather than a sunscreen it isn't as accurate as his.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

I like your set up. Seems like a good adaptation of modernity only in certain regions of the home. I avoid electric lights in my bedroom. Maybe I'll switch the breaker off and go candlelight only. We'll see how the wife responds to that idea...

@HelloPrkr

10 ай бұрын

I have been wondering why the “red light therapy” has been taking off for so many people and about the health benefits. Oddly enough, I do a similar practice of what MP does; asking myself what would this look like long ago? . I realized that the only sources of “red light” would be from the rising sun, the reflection of the moon(I need to confirm this) and the campfire at night. These are the connections modern man has lost, and yet tries to replace with red-lights in his home. . I lived in nyc for a few years in my 20s, and was constantly lost about time and direction. But for years growing up on my ranch, I could travel miles and return before sunset, having always the time and direction above me. The shadows of the city life weren’t for me.

Very interesting comments about philosophy. It's what still sticks most in my mind several days after watching this video. Thanks Derek

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

I thought of you during that section. It complements your symbolism of work series and the levels of reality. We miss it focusing to low with technical knowledge, and to high with abstractions. All the while, the substance is the story, of people working and doing things.

Matthieu, please, please talk more about this ancient cosmology and symbolism stuff, its pure gold. You cannot find this anywhere else. I would give you all my money if you spoke more 😅 That is how important and valuable this is, the knowledge that you posses.

We need more Pageau!

Man, Matthieu feels like a brother. :)

Congratulations on the occasion 🙏🙏

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Love you Pano. Will you be joining the live chat?

@panokostouros7609

Жыл бұрын

@@DerekJFiedler I'll do my best to make it

What a wonderful discussion! I think a conversation between Matthieu and Dr Iain McGilchrist would be fascinating, as Dr McGilchrist lives surrounded by nature on the Isle of Skye and he speaks often of our loss of experience in the natural world. The Mourning Talk did an interview with Dr McGilchrist on Longing which was remarkably insightful and has the same feel/texture as this one.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the recommendation. Would you mind sharing a link?

@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026

Жыл бұрын

m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/lYOso7ONeqjVkdo.html This video is key. Longing, desire set up everything.

@HelloPrkr

10 ай бұрын

I just mentioned Dr. McGilchrist in a comment above, re: left brain dominance in recent times and a need for right brain wholistic balance. Being Nature is to understand the principles and cycles of life, and surrounded by it imho can only help with better understanding and communicating on these topics. . I’d love to see that link as well. And while we’re at it, let’s get MP and Dr.McG connected for a conversation of the ages! 🙏

Expertly marshalled interview! Totally with Matthew on the dangers of theology becoming too conceptual and 'hellenistic'. Theres definitely a tendency in theology departments towards academic chest beating and lofty parlour discussions about philosophical abstracts. You see this in the Exodus roundtables with JBP, where going down these rabbit holes simply yields very little useful insight. And there's Jonathan P trying so hard to get them to stick to the simple and yet extraordinarily profound patterns IN the text.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

​I published my notes from this interview with timestamps on my online journal - derekjfiedler.substack.com/ I included some of the best quotes from the live chat! Thanks to all who could be apart of the live primiere. It was a special event for a special conversation. Help spread the word by liking the video and subscribing to the channel.

@ButterBobBriggs

Жыл бұрын

Both my phone and my computer won't show your substack because it says the site is not secure. Just thought you'd like to know. Again, great video.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

@@ButterBobBriggs that is odd indeed. Sorry about that. It appears that the hyperlink was off. If it isn't too much trouble, try derekjfiedler.substack.com/ If it works, could you let me know?

@ButterBobBriggs

Жыл бұрын

@@DerekJFiedler Yes, that link works. Thank you very much.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

@@ButterBobBriggs oh good 👍

@larrycheek3588

Жыл бұрын

@@DerekJFiedler Beautiful.. Dauntless

Hmmm. Just the other day, here in winter 2023, I was having conversation with people concerning cyclical versus linear perspective of living. My personal perspective, from the time I was very young, is based on seeing and living out the cycles, ie : the yearly liturgical calendar, the seasons of the year, etc. The discussion started because of a silly disagreement over when one “should” stop celebrating Christmas. The person who disagreed with me made light of my comment about the Christmas celebration being a feast of several days, ending (if one wishes) in the celebration of Epiphany. She disagreed, and said, “no”. Her view is that Jesus was born on one day, and we celebrate that, and then it’s over. I see some of her reasons, but because of the way I see cyclically, I like my way better. All this to say Thank You for this talk with Matthieu continuing to be available. It sparked a nice little fire in my heart.

@DerekJFiedler

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for your thoughtful comment. A Merry Christmas season to you.

Good to see Matthieu making online appearances again. I fell off the Pageau train hard when I saw that Jonathan was realeasing NFTs. Mattieu's book "The language of creation" has been pivotal in my understanding of symbolism and story-telling. I hope he releases publications more often in the future.

@Pontus_Olsson

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean fell off?

Always so wonderful to hear from Matthieu! I’m really enjoying this conversation, especially all the joy in recovering natural relationships, like reflection and water. It’s interesting to hear the perspective on the foreign woman in relation to patriarchal structures, but I’m curious to hear how Matthieu sees it in light of the wording in Genesis 2 before the fall, which I believe originally states that it is the man which leaves his family to be joined with the woman.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you are enjoying this convo. Good question too.

Regarding 54:42 - there's a theory called the aquatic ape theory where it's believed that humans were water creatures for some duration of existence (perhaps that's how we survived the Ice Age). Menstruation is then synchronized with the circalunar (tidal) cycle.

I’m only 20 minutes in and I am so enthralled with both these men and this conversation. Matthieu, would you be my teacher? Seriously. I know what I should be doing, or how I should be living, but let’s just say it would completely blow up my life if I acted on it. But that’s what we’re being called to, right? I’m so lost, brother, but I sense I need to take action soon lest it be too late.

@HelloPrkr

10 ай бұрын

Better yourself until the time is right. Ruminate on what you know and have been shown.

I'm always amazed by matthieu it's just mind blowing.

I'm only 7 minutes in and Matthieu is already blowing my mind

Thank you for uploading this interview. It is rare to gain access to the contemplative but it has profound influence on the world today. We are too distracted quite often to pay attention to reality. This distraction is quite destructive.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome. And thank you for the insightful comment.

Bravo Derek, you brought him out of the pits of Quebec-va. I shall covet the hours.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Just barely! Right after it talk, he returned to the wilderness and shut down communications for the winter. Will you be able to join the live premiere?

@vimalpatel4060

Жыл бұрын

@@DerekJFiedler A spark from the wooded wanderer is enough for the crying hours of pharoah. As, for the premiere, usually, I don't have access to the internet during those hours, so we shall see my friend. Have a blessed day, and peace be with the family.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

@@vimalpatel4060 all in good time. Thank you and to yours as well.

Excellent!

Canada has to be the closest to proof cities are not wholesome. Canadians in the cities are strange Canadians in the woods are the happiest people ever

Amazing

Regarding the water that reflects the light, it brings to mind where in John 19:34 one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and WATER. I would love to hear Matthieu's take on the symbolism of the WATER in this situation. It seems like it might be significant.

hyped!

23:24 reminds me of how children observe the world and their natural surrounding. I love hearing my 3 and 6 you discuss with each other the stars in the sky, the different shadows you can make on the ground day or night, why a tree looks a certain way, etc. it’s beautiful and should be encouraged. My 6o is starting to experience a fracture in her perception of the world. She understands and senses the patterns that underlie us, the hierarchy we exist within, but our home life and adherence to the technical prescriptions for daily life. My coparent would never endorse raising them in a primitive way, but I’m starting to believe it’s absolutely necessary for their survival but for their salvation. We have to make the leap for adventure, it doesn’t have to be forever but maybe long enough to see reality as our ancestors did.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your story. My kids are 2 and 5. We are raising free range children as well. As much as possible, connect kids to the earth and the wild.

@HelloPrkr

10 ай бұрын

I too have found myself at the last stop on this train. . I grew up on a ranch in south Texas, and much like every hero journey, I fled from it in my early teens, only to come full circle again. I’ve realized my life has had such an different perspective because I learned “natural systems” first and struggled with “human systems” since. Nature does not lie, humans and our free has the same ability, but alas. . My wife is rather spiritual, yet clings to materials and modern life. I ask for blessings and patience so I may guide my wife and 2 & 5yo girls toward a Good life. 🙏 . I pray a safe journey for both of you and your families as well. Let our aim be true 🙏

A rare sighting indeed 🙏

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

It is also rare in the sense that it is unlike any other conversation I have had before. He not only talks about the role of the foreign in shaping perspective, but he acts it out. He answers my questions in a way intended to perplex and see from an unexpected angle.

@charles3964

Жыл бұрын

@@DerekJFiedler That's great to hear, I can't wait to hear the conversation. I'm going to hear your review of his book soon. Thank you for everything you do, God bless you.

I really enjoy listening to Matthieu

Thanks for making this. Great insights!

I really appreciate Matthieu's perspective

great talk, thanks so much both of you!

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

You are most welcome. Glad you joined the discussion.

Matthieu was on fire!!

I really appreciate your videos. I have been watching Johnathan and Matthieu's conversations for a while now. At some point I came across your videos and think you have good insight and good interview skills. Keep up the good work!

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate your encouragement!

It strikes me, in your discussion of the symbolism of light and water, that there’s a connection in the moon being connected to water and reflection, with night time being a time for reflection, and what Mathieu said earlier about the insights and the thinking which occur when he wakes up at night.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Nice connection. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

So thankful for this!!! Thank you Matthieu! Thank you Derek!

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks Mattieu and Derek!

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

It is a pleasure to share with you. Glad you appreciate it.

God bless you guys. This was amazing

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I’ve bought several copies of your book and keep giving them away because it’s just so incredible. Your book in another book car super important to me right now. Oh and the Bible to.

Awesome talk!

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you joined in the live chat. Your comments and critique are a helpful addition to the conversation.

@panokostouros7609

Жыл бұрын

@@DerekJFiedler You're a wonderful interviewer

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

@@panokostouros7609 I appreciate that. Means a lot my friend.

Thank you, Derek, for organizing this interview. Great fresh insights!

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it. What was your favorite insight?

@muadek2

Жыл бұрын

@@DerekJFiedler Oh, definitely the light=fire=consumption one!

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

@@muadek2 agreed! Interesting how it they link to the lion.

Awesome discussion! Can’t wait for the new book!

Re-listening (again) to this to unpack everything, haha!

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

One layer at a time

Fascinating! Nothing like 3 in the morning…….

This was such a great talk. I cant believe I just found it now.

@DerekJFiedler

9 ай бұрын

I'm glad it found you. All things in their time.

Thank You, this is excellent 👌

@DerekJFiedler

10 ай бұрын

You got it!

I took a college course in symbolism and got nothing out of it. Four hours into TLoC and it all makes perfect sense. Thank you.

Yall should talk again. Wonderful interview!

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Lisa! What questions remained unanswered for you? What should we cover next?

I need to hear more about this David mystery.

God is good, David is my dads favorite story and Samson has always been mine.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

And here the two intertwine. Thanks for the comment. Glad it made a connection with your father.

Mercury reflects light in nature, once collected together

Looks like it’ll be awesome

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jon. Hope to see you tomorrow in the chat.

@bobdmb

Жыл бұрын

@@DerekJFiedler would be great to join you in the chat, but from Europe this time ain't ideal :)

I can tell you as a painter that objects reflect light. We paint reflected light to give form.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

That's amazing. Thanks for sharing.

Derek, you really elicited some great stuff with this interview.

@DerekJFiedler

8 ай бұрын

Thank you. I'm glad you found it valuable.

@kwlester1

8 ай бұрын

Gotta love when Matthieu looks to the side conspiratorially like he’s about to let you in on a big secret.

@DerekJFiedler

7 ай бұрын

@@kwlester1 or, he is scanning for double agents.

54:39 I have actually heard anecdotally that this is in-fact the case!! It further adds to the theme of natural cycles in the world!

It is surprising to me that the perception of woman as stranger who leaves her family to join another is new to many. This is true today in many parts of the world especially, in rural communities. Women even may not inherit land from her family because of this...

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Good point

The yurt life is sounding pretty good

My oldest son is autistic. When he was a little young he would stim much more than he does now. He’ll run, jump, hum, and do all types of things when he gets excited. Im not very detail oriented but I did notice when it was really bad on a particular night that the moon was full. It was something I thought was funny. But then I noticed that each time he lapsed into a uncontrollable stim the moon was always full. So I agree it’s more than just light

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your story.

The theological virtue of Faith organizes reality better for you, by having trust in God on the revelation of the Most Holy Trinity for example you can calmly contemplate that everything that exists participates in a union without confusion and distinction without separation (no contradiction) and this can help you explain absolutely anything since anything that "is" participates in the "isness" of God (Holy Trinity/union without confusion distinction without separation), so everything created reflects that uncreated reality, a chair is a union of woods without confusion and a distinction of woods without separation, and the way in which the union and the distinction occurs makes those pieces of wood a chair instead of a table, if you have a confusion of pieces of woods then you don't have a chair and if you have separation of woods then there is desintegration only so no chair again. This principle allows you to see how apparent contradictions at the level of the parts can be always resolved by the principle that organizes the whole, and the old testament books are mostly focusing always on the different parts of the whole, or on explaining the parts of the whole but the new testament reveals the whole and Jesus Christ becomes the connector, we are not Christ, but we have the revelation by which we can make the connections. So any paradox, any contradiction, any dualism or binarism gets resolved by a Trinity, because reality is not fundamentaly a duality, heaven and earth are joined in different manners and a different levels which means that there is a third aspect making the connection.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly for this description. I find myself reading again and again and resonating with different parts.

@AprendeMovimiento

Жыл бұрын

@@DerekJFiedler For sure man, what I am trying to point out is that in order to create connections between the now separated ontological levels we must have the Most Holy Trinity as our lens, if we want to see how the scientific connects to the philosophy and the theology we need to have the proper lens first, and what better lens that the principle by which everything is created and the principle in which everything created participates, what is awesome about having this "trinitarian mind" is that you stop the dichotomies because you don't think in terms of heaven and earth, or high and low only, you add the "through" aspect. I would love to talk to you about this more in depth, maybe have a zoom chat some time because I would love to explain certain insights and understandings I have about how the symbolic language can be used to create a map that can track the ontological levels erasing the so called gaps, plus understanding why faith (trust) should be the guiding light in the process.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

I'd love to explore this "trinitarian mind". I'm working out several ideas in this space. Sounds like a conversation using this lens would help frame and focus. If you would, send me an email and let's set up a time to talk.

The part about reconnecting the disconnected parts of Reality sounds very much like a natural focus in the coming decades; finding back to the unified cosmology of the Medieval Times, reparing what went too far with left-brained modernity in the last 4-500 years. And perhaps using right-brained concepts like "unifying" rather than "connecting", as part of the rebalancing. It might be an instrumental part of a bigger Rebirth and Renaissance as well.

@HelloPrkr

10 ай бұрын

Dr Iian Mcghilchrists work on the L/R, specifically his newest mammoth “the matter with things” and MPs work are surely needing to be “integrated” across our current narrative of Mother Culture. . I love your wording in your reply, and shows you’ve a wonderful appreciation for wholistic being. . Looking forward to bumping into you on the path 🙏

This guy is ridiculously intelligent.

@alphabeta8284

3 ай бұрын

Quirky

Intriguing how at 44:02 the symbolism of light/fire "is an eater" and at 1:17:41, Samson's riddle employs "out of the eater" (Hebrew)

Immanuel Kant wrote about the impact the Moon had on humans. His idea was that the Moon as a sizy celestial body was heavy enough to impact with its gravitation the motion of the fluids on Earth - be that the ebbs and flows of the oceans or menstruation cycles in women's bodies.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Regarding the knowledge of the tree of Good and Evil, refer to chapter 55 in Pagueu's book Language of Creation (pg 211). You might find it helpful.

If David is to see himself in Bathsheba in the water, he would realize he is locked in sensuality and refusing to be a king since it was the time that kings to off to war. He was meant to remain in the cycle or pattern of reality, but instead chose to leave reality and live in fantasy. I struggle with this often as it is difficult for me to leave a time of relaxation or vacation and return to the pattern of life so I end up continuing the vacation while back in reality until it becomes too much sensuality and I have to force myself back. This can be seen in the cycle of fasting as it helps to keep one from spiralling out of control. He was meant to see himself, maybe even the beauty of being king that she could also represent and realize he should embrace that (i.e. to go war), but instead he embraced the reflection/image of that. Similar to people desiring position/power without actually fulfilling the duties/responsibilities involved. It is also an image of turning from God by embracing the carnal rather than the spiritual. He saw himself and instead of choosing God (duties of being king), he chose himself (pleasure). There must be more to consider in what it means to have seen himself reflected in her nakedness in the water 🤷

Plants reflect light everything with a white or light colour does, many animals do...

I'm on my fourth reading of "Language of Creation" and owe Matthieu a great deal. But I do have an important reproach: What HE owes to "the tradition." He gives no references AT ALL to many sources from which he seems to have drawn insight. It's an innocent mistake, I'm sure. But it is also a short-coming. UNLESS the interpretation is common knowledge across the discipline-and in most cases it's not-it's important to give credit where due. He's self-publishing and he's not an academic, so... understandable. But it is important to acknowledge our debt to our spiritual and intellectual Fathers and Mothers, and not to imply that insights originated with us when they did not. Plus, it helps the rest of us grow if we can consult the same sources; that too is part of what it means to be in "a tradition." Given the success and importance of his book, it now becomes necessary to set this right in future editions/revisions.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Healthy feedback. Thank you.

I think I discovered the secret of when to enter into the cycle and when to get out. I found it in the story of Moses. The only time Moses really “does anything”, or stands up to evil, is when it doesn’t benefit him. The Egyptian and the Israelite, the Shepherds and the Well, the Israelites and Pharaoh. Its about entering when it’s a sacrifice, and when you can’t gain anything from the death of your enemies. So David killing Saul would gain him kingship. Likewise David kills Goliath, but when he is king he doesn’t kill his enemies, because as king he can now benefit from their deaths.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Now that is interesting

@KizaWittaker

Жыл бұрын

@@DerekJFiedler Cause think of when Matthieu even says that to want to reward yourself is a start of this confusion or cycle. It makes a little more sense now.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

@@KizaWittaker good point. It is perpetuated by pride.

@suppression2142

Жыл бұрын

Can you please make a video on this? This is extremely interesting.

@HelloPrkr

10 ай бұрын

And this seems to me the guiding principle of the spirit of a father: The cycle starts at childbirth, renewal, but then so does the journey of sacrificing oneself for your child. The cycles ends with the final sacrifice, sending them out into the world. To do it as a sin is to rush them out because “you want your life back” and they are not prepared. But to do it properly is to build a relationship with someone so great, that you must send them out leaving you without them. … this may not be what you were thinking, but I noticed you’re a father and so is OP, and myself. . Using frameworks we’re familiar with may help us all understand better. . I’d love to hear more about your understanding of sacrifice w/ Moses and the cycles. . Much love 🙏

Thank you ‼️ps #urbanapologetics

Many of these insights are common sense wisdom to people that live close to nature. Cities and suburbs are virtual realities.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

Matthieu: humans use a lot of water City folk: wow, so insightful? Country folk: mhm, so?

Umm…yeah…I’m going to need you to post this right. now.

Matteiu explaining David and the cycle was a lot to ponder. I had thought of it before as the judgement you use will be measured out to you. David did seem to umderstand the earthly cycle as well as the cosmic cycle. It seems to be a foreshadowing or enigmatic knowlege that wasnt properly explained until Jesus (The Creator) began First bagan to preach to his Creation. "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. David did seem to understand that if he was to be King he must be all of these things to Saul to receive the same. Jesus in this way can also be the one to complete the cycle by and thus overcoming it by perfection.

@DerekJFiedler

6 ай бұрын

Beautiful

The tugboat and construction life, the contemplative life!

Btw, just learned some folk tradition thatconnects Samson and daughter brides. Turns out, in the Izhora region which is close to St. Petersburg, brides were forced to shave their hair off and could only grow it back after the birth of the first child. The girls' hair was believed to have the protective power of their own kin, and the protective spirits of her blood family could harm the new one.

@DerekJFiedler

8 ай бұрын

Fascinating

How cool would it be if we got Jordan Peterson in the next Exodus seminar in January to trade Gregg Hurwitz's spot at the table for Matthieu.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

💯

@HelloPrkr

10 ай бұрын

😂

That will take a while to ponder on.Excellent. What is the Garret conversation you referred to?

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

I'm pondering along with you. Podcast w/ Gareth w/ Matthieu's comment on initiation - kzread.info/dash/bejne/rI2GsceSace1e7g.html

Bridging those gaps between levels -- is it fractal? When I first saw the beautiful emergent Mandelbrot patterns my intellect was-- for the first time -- at home in the Universe.

34:00 God Who is omniscient/God Who acts then repents . . I like to think if it as God Who is telling Himself a story. Entering into Time not just staying in the "eternal." How else could He be in relationship with us? Which is to say, how else could He LOVE us ?

I'm wondering if it's really necessary to create clear bridges between the "Disjointed levels of reality." I can only speak for myself, but I feel a bit comfortable being able to just jump between those different interpretations of reality and switch between them depending on the situation, almost like using different tools for different jobs. I have no mental hangups on flipping back and forth between a geocentric and heliocentric model of reality, for instance, depending on what I need to use it for.

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

The tool box analogy helps. I think of it like Batman's utility belt. He always had just the right apparatus for the moment. The danger is when people call in one level, stake a flag and proclaim it the ultimate worldview. Ex Brett W. with the materialistic rationalism or a theologist with abstract philosophy. Have to be able to recognize the layers and levels.

1:25 live by the sword, die by the sword

The moon ❤ 🌝

I love Mattieu! Big question: when is he going to upload videos to his KZread channel?? I consider Jordan Peterson a gateway drug to Jonathan Pageau and like a junky, I need more! I can think of worse addictions!

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

He mentioned in our talk that he is taking a step back from making videos to give himself more fully to writing his books and chopping wood.

@HelloPrkr

10 ай бұрын

I agree on Peterson having done his job correctly; acting as the bridge to the next generation. . We should all appreciate the focus MP has, and between his book, The Book, and videos available, there is plenty for us to ruminate on. 🙏

to just compare origin stories: Sampson's origin story is all to do with his mother - specifically his mother separate from his father. The angel (very high, and who ascends in the flame) visits his mother, then his father asks the angel to return, but he only does so when the mother is separate from his father again. She has to run to get the father. David's origin story is all to do with his father. Samuel (high, but still a mediator for Israel, and sticks around) goes to the house of Jesse. David's older brothers are all present. Rather than a woman by herself in a field, David's origin story starts with tons of family identity. There is already a huge structure of masculinity in his family. The anointing from Samuel passes over all those brothers before landing on David. So based on this, I think Sampson is associated with rationality coming from the mother, while David is associated with irrationality coming from the father.