Great having 2 different prespectives versus just the one guy talking through the bow. Good job!

@livingadreamlife1428

Жыл бұрын

Agree with your comment relative to co-hosts. Two heads and their opinions are better than one.

Sweet video! Great break down of the bows!

Good comparison, thanks guys!

Please please do the same video with the shorter axle bows in the brands 🙏

Loved the review. Really useful.

The discussion toward the end regarding the limbs on the Mathews is interesting. The question of the durability of the center material seems valid. People aren't criticizing, however, they are wondering aloud. Though I agree Matt McPherson wouldn't let something go to market without absolute confidence in the duration, the questions seems valid. There are so many good bows on the market I'd feel comfortable spending my money with several bow companies. Company specific accessories...that's beginning to concern me.

Awesome video! I would love to see you do a sound comparison and maybe a speed comparison on the VTM 34 and RX7 Ultra...trying to decide which one to pull the trigger on. Thanks!

@jordanc1780

Жыл бұрын

That’s gonna depend on your draw length and where that falls on the modules. Closer to top of the mod = faster

Great video guys thanks

Can y’all do a VTM 34 vs the RX7 Ultra video?

Great video guys. I just bought a phase 4 and still waiting to get the call to pick it up. I’ve watched a ton of videos and this one is by far the best. Keep it up!

@extremeoutfitters

9 ай бұрын

Thanks a ton for checking us out! You're going to love the new bow!

@kolereiser

9 ай бұрын

@@extremeoutfitters that’s great to hear thank you!

Thanks for the in-depth review. I shot the VTM 34 and the RX7 Ultra at my local shop last week. I thought my Defiant shot good until they told me to go get my bow and shoot it then shoot the new one's... wow. I can say that hoyt has never done me wrong and I would most certainly recommend their 23' flagship offerings to anyone. The RX7 Ultra seemed to draw and shoot smoother than VTM but nonetheless both are awesome.

Great review. Also I loved you as Yukon Cornelius lol

Appreciate the fact that you guys are doing decibel readings of the sound of the bow. After watching the video further, I began to wonder if the meter is not only picking up the sound of the bow going off, but the sound of the arrow hitting the target. For a legitimate reading of the bow's noise, would it be a good idea to consider having the target much farther downrange? Just my 2 cents worth.

@jroutdooradventures

Жыл бұрын

We have played around with the meter. The microphone isn't that sensitive and does not pick up the arrow impacting.

Guy at my bow shop told me I was the first person in a few months to say the Hoyt is smoother than the competitive Matthews. Watching videos like this just makes me think their fanboys lol glad I got my ventum!

@WolfinWolvesClothing713

Жыл бұрын

I have a v3 31, v3x 29, rx4 turbo, and a twin turbo. Both hoyts draw smoother than both mathews. I like the way the mathews feels at full draw, but cold weather late season is hoyt for the draw cycle.

I love my v3x 33. The only thing I could want would be limb stops instead of string stops. The back wall is kinda mushy. Maybe I just pull too hard on it tho

What limb legs are those? Will they work on a Ventum pro?

Details on the decibel meter used?

Can you do 29 vs 31 with same bows

Mathews, 👍👍. Best in my fourty years of archery.

Just a minor point - wouldn't a Holding Weight of 14.4 lbs. on a 70.2 lbs. Draw Weight be closer to 80% Letoff ??

What were the decibels on each bow

I literally shot The VTM & The Phase 4 back and forth for almost 3 hours yesterday. Shot 5 and 5. Took breaks. 2&2. Took breaks. Shot alternate. Took breaks. The style side of me wanted to like the Hoyt better. Their branding and marketing is nice. But the Mathews was just a better performer IMP. Everyone says the Hoyt has a smoother draw cycle but they are essentially opposites. The Hoyt takes a lot at the beginning of the draw and then smooths out. The Mathews is easier to get moving and has a bit more of a dump into the back wall. To me the biggest difference is how firm Mathews is on the back wall. The Hoyt feels like you’re fighting creep the whole time. Mathews ended up being the call for me.

Still loving my Z7

I’m not sold on the split limbs yet I would worry about them holding ip

I’m getting rid of my v3. Got to raise funds for a new elite omnia or ss34. Can’t make up my mind but out of my three bows I’m keeping my rx5 and nexus 2 the Mathews is may as accurate for me. So it on the chopping block

Cody, 80# really is that necessary?

I would have been interested to see if the new integrated stab reduced the sound of the phase 4 . Matthews’ likes to advertise the accessories as a “complete” system.

Why is is a jumpy bow better for hunting? vs. a non jumpy bow. I'm interested in the hoyt with the smooth draw cycle, but I am using it mostly for hunting.

@josephhopkins2851

Ай бұрын

It really comes down to preference honestly. What they're referring to in that context is the ability to drop the shot. With the Hoyt it has a nice little valley for you to settle into and relax, which is great for holding shots and target acquisition. The Mathews doesn't have much of a valley at all and a stiff backwall, which requires you to be more conscious of your shot and hold but it's much easier to drop the shot. Is one better than the other? Objectively no. If your fundamentals are sound you'll be just as accurate with either bow, it just comes down to preference. I got into the game with a Ventum Pro 33 and have shot each flagship from both companies every year since and prefer the Hoyts over the Mathews. The draw cycle is much smoother for me and I prefer the nice little valley they provide to the Matthews Lift, V3X, etc. Also, now in 2024 and after many models on the open market the switchweight limbs from Mathews have shown themselves to be vulnerable to splinter at high volume+higher draw weights, like 70+ I'd say. It's not a huge deal, but definitely not a quality control issue imo. It's a design flaw in the limbs because you can't ask the same limb that draws 45lbs to also draw 80lbs. Can't say I've had that issue at all with my Ventum Pro as I can put 1000 shots through it in a day during the offseason. I wouldn't hold that very specific, uncommon issue against the Mathews if I were choosing between them, I would simply look at the draw cycle and feel.

My 2013 compound bow (brand is irrelevant) specs are 35" ATA (my preference), 6.25" brace height, 340 fps IBO, 4.5 pounds weight. My point is specs haven't changed much. My bow is smooth to draw, has a solid back wall, stays in tune, and the shot is quiet. Despite the yearly hype, compound bows have not changed that much the past decade or so. My bow has solid limbs. I'd rather have 2 limbs instead of 8. None of these split limb bows are faster, but they sure are wider. Unless I was new archery, I would feel silly buying a new compound bow these days. It's still fun to see what's new, but I am thankful for what I already have.

@nevadapoole6180

Жыл бұрын

Specs wise your not wrong bows haven't changed, and accuracy wise and tuning wise not much either but I promise vibration, noise and overall smoothness the new Matthews beat anything you can find from that year. That being said those are more just comfort things except the noise.

@driftlesshunter9200

Жыл бұрын

@@nevadapoole6180 I bought a Mathews bow a year after they moved their factory to Sparta, Wisconsin in 1995. I shot that bow for 17 seasons & took a large number of deer with it. Each year during that time, Mathews offered something new on their SoloCam bows. By the time I was ready to buy a new bow, what made them a household name (SoloCam technology) was disappearing. I ended up going with another brand, which I am more than happy with. I prefer my current bow over the new Mathews for a number of reasons. I feel it's better built & the warranty is superior. I'm not knocking the current Mathews, but I would feel stupid buying one. If someone stole my current bow, that's a different story. If you're convinced this year's bow is the best, I'm sure next year's bow will be even better. I invested in hunting land instead of marketing hype over the years. I don't need a new bow to be an avid bowhunter, but if someone is in need of a bow I'm sure the new Mathews is an excellent choice.

@nevadapoole6180

Жыл бұрын

@@driftlesshunter9200 I didn't say you needed a new bow. I'm saying you saying your 10 year older vow is the same as the new model is just not the case, I'm not saying your bow won't get the job done and I even said speed wise it prolly performs the same .

If you want front and rear Bridge Lock stabilizers, be prepared to shell out $700. I really like my V3X but Mathews made this unattainable for the average shooter.

I shoot the rx7 ultra and it is by far the smoothest shooting bow I’ve ever had. I can’t even imagine what that vtm 34 must feel like if you think it’s as smooth as you say. I might be getting a back up bow… 🤔😂

@anthonylubic

Жыл бұрын

Agreed I love my ultra rx7 👍🏻

@Knifestories

Жыл бұрын

Rx7 Ultra all the way. Mine is 100% lethal. Anything I ever aimed at with the intent of shooting is now expired.

@christopherblessing3868

Жыл бұрын

THE RX7 IS THE BEST BOW I'VE EVER SHOY AND I'VE BEEN SHOOTING FOR OVER 50 YRS!!!

great review

That hoyt really seems smooth. I am the same way with my v3 its pretty jumpy but I can definitely see how that would be better for hunting if you have to draw down vs the hoyt. Mathews keeps a proven plateform making small tweaks to it to make it a more efficient bow. Time to get in a shop and see which one im getting lol

I think the decibel reading you're getting is the backstop, not the bow.

@andrewhouseknecht7815

Жыл бұрын

exactly

"There's no way that things 70 lbs!" 🤣🤣Thats a hoyt for ya! I have an RX5 Ultra and it's smooth as butter on the draw, 70 lbs as well, and it's just so much easier to pull that other bows I've tried. I've been looking for this type of comparison because i've yet to see one on Mathews and Hoyt! So thanks for making the video!!! :)

@DB.KOOPER

Жыл бұрын

Really... I find the opposite with Hoyt. Mathews is the best but next to them the smoothest shooting bow coming to market this year is the new BEAR flagship. Much nicer bow then anything Hoyt makes.

@falconovic688

Жыл бұрын

@@DB.KOOPER LOL what an obvious troll! 😂

@WolfinWolvesClothing713

Жыл бұрын

​@@DB.KOOPER 😄 ok.

Of course the Hoyts Smoother! It's a mattews v3 platform cam. Great Bow. But I love my Hoyts way more. Sold the V3 I had. #TTturboRx ,Vent33 , BT Solution

The decimal test here is dumb! They are measuring the sound of the arrow hitting the target!😂😂😂

Anyone come from a VXR 31.5? Looking for a longer ATA bow, the V3X had my attention and so did the RX7 Ultra. For some reason these two don’t grab my attention as much.

@heberkapcsos7730

Жыл бұрын

I shot the V3X 33 and the RX7 ultra and I have the RX7 now and can’t complain at all.

@jeremyrobinette2563

Жыл бұрын

@@heberkapcsos7730 I appreciate the response!

@marlonorsburn4345

Жыл бұрын

Owned the vxr 31.5 and loved that bow!! Also had the Ventum 33. Absolutely loved it also except it was really heavy. The Hoyt was definitely easier to draw to me pulling the same draw weight.

@jeremyrobinette2563

Жыл бұрын

@@marlonorsburn4345 appreciate the feedback. What are you shooting now?

@marlonorsburn4345

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremyrobinette2563 V3 31 right now. I usually trade when the new bows come out each year. So now I might go to a V3X. Just get a better deal staying a year behind lol! I’m going to shoot the new Hoyt’s and the Elite Omnia first tho.

I got a Phase4 today, I shot it and was immediately in love. I’m also prejudiced and distrust things that aren’t from the Midwest.

@extremeoutfitters

Жыл бұрын

hahaha The Phase 4 is very popular around here!

Traded my V3X for RX7 ultra and never looked back!

Mathews just makes the best bows. I shot them all last year and have shot most of the big names for the last 5 years before I pulled the trigger on a V3X 33. While everyone else is chasing speed Mathews is just consistent, ultra steady and dead in hand/quiet. IMO the new Phase 4 is undeniably quieter then my V3X 33 but not so much I would think of selling and swapping all my parts to the new bow. If I was gonna shoot anything besides my Mathews I'd be looking at the new flagship BEAR 33" bow... its honestly the nicest bow I've shot this year thats not made by Mathews.

When will you have the Bowtech videos?

New bow, new truck, new rifle!new pistol. And on and on. In the long run are these new ones REALLY that much better? I can kill a deer etc with the 2018 Ritual 33 and do well for me at 3-d. I can kill whatever with any of my old, some very very old, rifles, and get to my hunting place in my 8 year old Duramax while I have my EDC .45 1911 on my hip. Doesn’t get any better IMO. OH, AND ITS ALL PAID FOR

seems like you are measuring the sound of the arrow impacting the target, not the bows themselves. You need to shoot them with the target very far away.

What’s the brace height on that beard?

Seems like the noise test would be picking up the arrow impact. Real test would be setting the target 50 yards away and measure the sound!

@jroutdooradventures

Жыл бұрын

The microphone on that tester isn't that sensitive. Once the arrow is a few feet away it cannot pick up the impact on the target.

Can someone explain to me why the decibel rating of a bow matters?

@spindrift2719

11 ай бұрын

For hunting , don’t spook game

@harlan4216

11 ай бұрын

@@spindrift2719 but wouldn't you already have fired a shot?

@bryce8174

11 ай бұрын

​@harlan4216 deer can duck a arrow pretty easy

People talk smack about the phase 4 being another v3x until they shoot it. With 30.5 draw, 75lb cams, my 33 is at 292fps with 520gr arrows. Dead quiet, completely dead in hand, smooth, accurate, great bow. Maybe it isn't as smooth as the Mathews but who cares, it's ridiculously quiet and fund to shoot

that's a marvelous beard! cool bows i guess...

@extremeoutfitters

Жыл бұрын

hahahahha

Yeah yeah yeah bow stuff as always amazing! But damn nice freaking beard man killing it!

What kind of pants is JR running?

@jroutdooradventures

Жыл бұрын

Those are the kuiu tiburon

Decibel test isn’t accurate you got a price tag hanging on the Matthews and nothing on the Hoyt. Doubt it makes much difference but if we’re going for accuracy it’s noteworthy

You know how Americans find the way we speak in the u.k funny? Well the way you say ‘bow’ cracks me up every time!

I used to shoot Darton for years, then I made the leap into Mathews by way of the VXR28. I shot everything except the Hoyt that year before making my decision on a bow. The Hoyt was immediately out for price point alone! My entire setup sight, release, case, and arrows is still cheaper than a new Hoyt!! I can’t afford to shoot them so I don’t tempt myself!

Measure the draw lengths too please

That rest is loud. Almost as loud as the click in the first guys release.

“Drastically smoother”!? Lmao.

What is the material?…. Exactly

Another minor point - the Hoyt at 70.5 lbs. DW and 9.5 lbs. Holding Weight would be between 87-88% Letoff if my math is correct.

Literally just went to my local shop the mathews was 50 dollars less the the hoyt. Shot both and uts exactly what they say. Hoyt is smoother, mathews has absolutely 0 vibration.

@extremeoutfitters

Жыл бұрын

Both are solid!

@dustinadams5374

Жыл бұрын

@@extremeoutfitters 100%

Lights. out.

Let’s see some heavier arrow speed test, my hunting arrow is 650gr.

@WolfinWolvesClothing713

Жыл бұрын

Bet that flies like a rainbow. Lose a lot of kinetic energy when it hits at an angle and tries to straighten out.

@spindrift2719

11 ай бұрын

@@WolfinWolvesClothing713it doesn’t try to straighten out it keeps the same path

@WolfinWolvesClothing713

11 ай бұрын

@@spindrift2719 yea, ok, nobody's been over that before.

The holding weight on the Matthews is 80%, not sure it makes a difference, just saying.

@Brockytop

Жыл бұрын

I posted the comment prior to finishing the video, it is strange the let-off would change shortening the draw length. You guys are making great reviews.

Lower end of cam on a Mathews. WHat are you talking about, Matthew's uses individual mods. You only get lower end of a cam in rotating in cams. Mathews don't take off and aren't jumpy. You have to push them forward. Lol

@megameat8487

Жыл бұрын

Clown 🤡

94db is a lot louder than 89db. Look up how dbs work. 100db is not 5% louder than 95db.

@joncleereman1633

Жыл бұрын

from what I have read, the scale is based from 1-6. Simply put, if the DB increase by 6 that sound is 100% louder.

@tommymcgehee7669

Жыл бұрын

@@joncleereman1633 That is more or less correct. A 3 dB loss is 50%.

Y’all are testing the your with a dampening stabilizer and limb savers while the Mathews is bare of the new stabilizer which is one of the things that helps it be a smoother shooting and quieter bow. If your gonna compare then you need to do it fairly

@paytenblevins3401

Жыл бұрын

It comes with the Hoyt… fairly? How much more can you be lol they’re shooting them as they come. Send Mathews a message and tell them you want a free stabilizer with the bow lol. Comments like this make me laugh. It’s bare vs bare in factory form come on man.

@houghtonic1975

Жыл бұрын

I agree regarding the stabilizer. If you are gonna shoot one with the stabilizer, then the other needs one. Or at least take the stabilizer off the Hoyt to see the comparison on sound. When I go to shoot a bow in the shop, I bring at least the front stabilizer and put it on each bow because that is at least close to how I’m gonna shoot it when I’m hunting.

Holding 14lbs on that Mathews is 80%

I shot them both and I've never owned either brand so my opinion is unbiased ...always made fun of Hoty......but the Hoyt was the winner by a mile.

Not sure if you guys noticed but the bows speed is more efficient at 28 inches than 30 inches on the Mathews. 338 ibo equivalent at 28 inches 334 ibo equivalent at 30 inches That cam has always produced in the lower end of the cam.

Mathews all day everyday.

Hoyt all the way much better draw cycle,it's very important,the valley on the Mathews is terrible

@optimuscrime608

Жыл бұрын

Draw cycle isn’t important at all. People just think it is. It take 2 seconds to draw a bow. Who cares if it’s “somewhat” stiff. It’s how it feels in your hand, the speed, and quietness that really matter. Draw cycle means absolutely nothing.

@gagebarker4289

Жыл бұрын

@@optimuscrime608but being comfortable with it is key so honestly all up to what you look for in a bow

@jonathangingerich6184

Жыл бұрын

Once you shoot 30+ shots at a time, the draw cycle does matter.

@shaneziegler2555

Жыл бұрын

@@optimuscrime608when u don’t shoot 30 arrows a day, it doesn’t matter. However if u love to shoot everyday, it matters quite a lot.

@Iscariot18

Жыл бұрын

@@optimuscrime608 This is one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen on YT. Congratulations.

Mathews leads innovation year after year and has done so for decades. They are the ones that pioneered what a quiet vibration free bow should be. Everyone else is just trying to keep up. I mean look at the company’s that have been sued by Mathews for copyright issues. The new string dampeners on the hoyt are literally a monkey tail. Just saying. Many of the bows that are out there that are quiet vibration free and smooth are so because the bar was set by the leaders of innovation. Everyone of them looks at what Mathews is doing year after year.

I shot that hoyt it's like shooting a gun... As in loud and kicks like a mule 😂😂😂 for like 10 more fps not worth.

Looks like he’s wearing a beaver on his face 😂 Somebody take weed eater out 🤣🤣jk bro

Those rests are so noisy!

In a nutshell.........if you want the latest in overpriced gimmicks, Mathews. If you want a bow that shoots nice, Hoyt. lol.

@lukeerickson5362

Жыл бұрын

Brother the Hoyt costs $500 more😂😂

@BOOMER-rs5qn

Жыл бұрын

@@lukeerickson5362 I don't know where you're shopping, at my local shop they are the same price.

@ryker7698

Жыл бұрын

@@BOOMER-rs5qn Hoyt is more at our shops and has worse sales and more negative feedback

@GrantBontrager

Жыл бұрын

@@ryker7698 Same for our shop.

@rogerramjet7567

Жыл бұрын

I recently bought a hoyt. Been shooting them since the mid 80’s. Looking at archery elk Arizona. The bow would make a loud snap almost at full draw. Maybe every 20-30 shots. Bow shop could find nothing. Back and forth for four months. They did finally replicate the noise but had no idea what caused it. They finally took it back and I got a Matthews. Never had one before. Didn’t take long to realize it was the best tool for everything. Smooth quiet and deadly accuracy. Just saying. Mathews 👍👍

That humming is too much. Could not watch it.

I’ve owned both, but both have become way overpriced and are making record breaking profits, way overpriced!!!

Wake up call! The bear kuma rested by Sean’s outdoor adventures was 74 dB and this is 92dB , where is the progress ? Your having the wool pulled over your eyes and ears

Grab that 700$ stabilizer package for that mathews too 😂. Sorry but there's not a bow that's came out this year that can compete with what elite has done with the omnia and carbon era. Oh and the rezult is a winner to

@WolfinWolvesClothing713

Жыл бұрын

Yea, everyone should have so much cam lean that it rubs the cable. .....

@mikeguy9668

Жыл бұрын

@@WolfinWolvesClothing713 mine don't rub anything and I got a 30" draw. And you realize the cams move right? I'm shooting a 500 grain arrow at 293fps and driving tacks, I'd say that's a pretty good bow man

@WolfinWolvesClothing713

Жыл бұрын

@Mike Guy I'd say your chrono or your scale is off a little, and moving the cam doesn't make it not lean. My buddies leans enough at center that it rubs the cable, and if you look around a little you can see it's a common problem.

@mikeguy9668

Жыл бұрын

@@WolfinWolvesClothing713 I've got a brand new Caldwell chronograph man. My arrows are exactly 498 grains with a last chance archery scale. And I can't speak to your friends bow. I have seen on the internet where cables rub but I've also seen where they don't including in person. And when you move the set it does move the cables away from the cam. I haven't had to move mine, my arrows tuned right up. All I can speak to is my experience and its been better than any bow I've had in 35+ years

@mikeguy9668

Жыл бұрын

@@WolfinWolvesClothing713 this is where I wish you lived in oklahoma so I could show you. Also you must be up early for work just like me lol