Thanks Ray, the best instructional stroke video on KZread by a long way.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks! That is kind of you.

I found this to be a better demonstration of the concepts than in other videos. The audio was also very soothing.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

9 ай бұрын

Thank you for your kind comment. I love the 'soothing' bit too.

ray your a real gem to the canoe world! ive recently just got my very first canoe & you have highlighted alot of my mistakes with just this one video! thankyou. when the weather improves ill be going to practice as much as possible. started off on the kneeling thwart and to be honest my knees and legs got real stiff and sore pretty quickly. ill be trying to reverse seating position next time thanks again.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

2 жыл бұрын

You are most welcome. Always good to get feedback on the usefulness of my videos

Good on you for demonstrating this while wearing your lifesaving life jacket

@RayGoodwinCanoe

Жыл бұрын

I always try to demonstrate good practice. Thank you

This is the best tutorial I’ve ever seen explaining what the J stroke is and also how to let the water raise it and how to move the top hand to ease strain in the wrist. Thank you very much. I cannot wait to practice this summer!

@RayGoodwinCanoe

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for you exceptionally kind comments. Have fun practising this and it does take a bit of time for all the elements to work smoothly. Good luck.

Great work Ray. I think this is your best instructional video yet :-)

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks! Yep really worked hard on this one even ditching more or less all of the first video session up at the lake. But that allowed me a clearer idea of what I was trying to achieve. Appreciated my friend.

@MrMjt888

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed Paul. Please give him a gentle nudge towards adding a voice over to his vernwy video. I’ve given an unsubtle hint myself. Hopefully see you guys soon an def on the Spey in Oct. Take care and hope you’re both well. Mikey

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrMjt888 Idea taken on board.

@PaulKirtley

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrMjt888 Mikey I'm not sure if you've done any video editing or uploaded anything to KZread but once it's done it's done. You can't just add voiceover to a video on here. It sounds simple but it isn't. I'm sure Ray will take on board the idea for future videos though.

@MrMjt888

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Kirtley Understood. No whinging implied 🙂 This vid was on a different level. Huge leap forward. Loved it.

I was taught j-stroke for white water paddles and canadian stroke for flat water tripping paddles. Thumb up gives more rudder power while you can paddle thumb down all day, day after day.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, I don't tend to differentiate between the types of paddle for different strokes. I do use a Canadian stoke with a white water blade if I am doing distance. This is mainly because I have to use whatever paddles an outfitter supplies when I am out in Canada. But certainly it is easier to learn some strokes with certain paddles. Thanks for watching.

I must say, Lina demonstrated it beautifully, 😉😉😘☕☕

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

I should think so too! yep.

One of the best paddling tutorials I've seen!

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks! Really appreciated.

Once again...great video! Thanks Ray.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Done by someone who does want people to learn and to know. A lot of practice and a few returns to this video will help one master the stroke.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

11 ай бұрын

That is a very kind comment. Thank you.

Yes yes yes! Keep them coming please! ❤️

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Yep more to come. Editing a two parter at the moment on the Big Salmon and Yukon rivers. Need to get on with more technical paddling ones as well.

Great video, thanks so much

@RayGoodwinCanoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind comment. Appreciated

Thanks dude, ive been paddling around in circles for hours now in my cataraft trying to figure out what to do

@RayGoodwinCanoe

2 жыл бұрын

I hope that helps when you are next on the water. Have fun

Great video, can't wait to try them out!

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Have fun! But also remember that the learning process can be quite frustrating at times. Have fun.

Excellent video, thanks for sharing.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you too!

I enjoyed this even though I "reasonably perfected" my J-stroke ages ago. It's just fun to listen to a good paddler explain his ways of thinking and doing, because every good paddler I've met does things just slightly differently from every other. I must admit that during my early times of learning to canoe (learning to paddle properly, that is), it came as a surprise to me that such an originally North American craft as what we think of as "canoes" have such an enthusiastic following in Britain. I had gone most of my life without knowing that, and it's just another of those examples of how people everywhere have far more in common than not.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for that very thoughtful and positive comment. It is appreciated.

Thank you, great video and very concise with great examples shown. Really helpful!!

@RayGoodwinCanoe

2 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome! Your kind comments are appreciated.

Thanks for sharing. Very clear instruction on J stroke. Much appreciated 👍

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Very welcome. Glad it was so useful. Thank you.

Thanks Ray that's makes it so much more understandble. 😃

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Happy to help

Thanks Ray really enjoyed that very much and the channel I often tune in it’s a wonderful learning resource. Take care The Millers

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Phil. Appreciated

Thank you so much Ray for this. I am just learning and this supports hugely. 🛶💖🙏🏼

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

You are most welcome

Finally a tutorial I could actually follow. Thank-you!

@RayGoodwinCanoe

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for that kind observation. Glad it works for you.

@WillyEast

Жыл бұрын

@@RayGoodwinCanoe My wife and I went canoeing after watching this and another video. It was very easy to steer the canoe using the J stroke and forward or power strokes we learned. Other people on the river who clearly did not learn the strokes were having difficulty steering. Thank-you again.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

Жыл бұрын

@@WillyEast You are most welcome

Thank you Ray and Lina for a excellent tutorial on the various stokes/paddles. really would love to learn how to do the whipping on a blade shaft.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind comment. A few have asked about the whipping. I better get on with the video.

Thanks Ray, this vid has cleared up all the faults and questions I found of myself yesterday whilst I was out trying to learn this.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped. I tried to make it as comprehensive as possible but I think it always better to refer to the video after using the ideas/trying yourself. It all makes more sense then.

Hi ray , I really found this video very helpful , it comes across as a more personal one to one tuition , thankyou 🛶👌

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear! I think I try to slip into my 'coach' persona so I try to give it that feel. So thank you very much

Another great video. I'll be out at the lake practicing this as soon as I can.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Have fun and not too much frustration.

Hi Ray. Just started paddling and your videos are most helpful. Out tomorrow to practice. Cheers.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

Жыл бұрын

Glad to have been of service. As a tip I always reckon the videos make even more sense once you have been out and practised the skill... they may then confirm some of the things you have been doing and help pick up any problems. Anyway have fun tomorrow.

Solo canoeing tutorials would be great. Thanks for sharing. My favourite channel.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Noted! So much to work on and no access to water at present with the lockdown. Yep I will give this some thought and get on with it (slowly). Cheers

Hi Ray pretty new to canoeing I own a 16 foot Dolphin canoe and your videos are excellent this will be my 2nd summer canoeing you have been such a great video teacher many thanks.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard! Good to hear they have been so useful.

Hi Ray. Enjoyed your video on canoe strokes & the centre kneeling seat . Canoeing is great. I used to solo canoe, (no whitewater), but now I kayak. So much more manageable in the wind & a lot lighter. Cheers.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

That is kind of you. Yep the correct kayak does make life easier in a wind. Again thanks

Thanks for the advice about reducing wrist strain, that's someting I do have a problem with. I'll be reducing my grip from now on. I really like the views from your rear mounted camera, it's so much easier to visualise and compare with your own paddling when seeing it from the 'same angle'. Thanks so much for all your efforts putting these videos together, they are incredibly useful in focusing the mind and giving us things to work on each time we go out to improve our techniques.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

You are most welcome. When we eventually get to paddle together I will have a look for you. but yep it does tend to be an over grip that causes the problem and swivelling the hand removes most of this.

Thank you Ray much needed at the moment 😁 really clear and concise, brilliant! At some stage would you demonstrate you filming rig and film technique which you very kindly talked through on the excellent Spey trip last year thanks again Graham.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Yes I will. That will one of the future projects.

Thanks a lot, that's what I suspected but wasn't sure. I really like this canoe, it's really beautiful. Well, but in your hands, each swims great because you are an amazing and very experienced rower. I have seen many of your videos and I am very impressed with your knowledge and skills in canoeing . Greetings and have a good day .

@RayGoodwinCanoe

Жыл бұрын

That is so kind of you. Very many thank and I am glad to be of help.

Ray, Dziękuję👍👍👍

@RayGoodwinCanoe

2 жыл бұрын

Serdecznie zapraszamy

Thank you Ray and Lina for another great demo which compliments your book very well. Would love to see how you cope with winds - without any sails. I find quarter and side winds particularly testing to keep a straight course. I also am interested in knowing how you handle the boat while an energetic dog moving up and down the boat 'mastering' the trim:)

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, I think the wind video will have to wait until the lockdown ends :-) It will be on the list. As for the dog I am still trying to work that out! Mind Billie will stay still if I need him to but the rest of the time he bounces from one gunwale to the other. He has been the cause of me swimming on more than one rapid. So still working on that one.

Nice one Ray, I could almost feel your concentration as you are demonstrating how not to exit the blade from the water. as for the practising on both sides, that is very very good advice, I wish I had done that from the very start. Thankfully I am able to use both sides now, although it still feels alien to me. But truth be told I would have been blown out to sea if I wasn't able to paddle on both sides when paddling on an open sea loch in testing conditions.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

That made me chuckle. Yep I had to concentrate to do it wrong! Thank you for your comments. Cheers

Thanks Ray, now I know why my wrist hurts while trying the J Stroke

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Yep the combination of moving the knees and/or hips to a diagonal plus the hand shift should help a lot. Glad it was of use.

Great instructional video Ray. I am envious of your ability to knee the way you do. I am afraid damage to my knees from military service prevents me from kneeling for any period of time.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

11 ай бұрын

My knees are reaching the end. 50+ years on the mountains and in canoes. I am crippled when I get out. But had a great time all those years. And thanks for the kind comments.

Loved this tuition ray 👌🛶 , I was advised against the cheaper option paddle for that ridge that comprises the J stroke by a kind gentleman at Manchester Canoes 🙌👍 only had my boat ( novacraft bob special tuff stuff ) a couple of months ( first boat ) and I for some reason decided to paddle left and right sided with good results on both sides 👍 ps A beautiful boat to paddle , thanks again Ray 👏👏👌

@RayGoodwinCanoe

Жыл бұрын

You got some good advice there. I have just paddled for 13 days on a river in Canada using a paddle with a spine on it... so annoying but that is what the outfitter sent. Yep the Bob Special is a great boat and in tuffstuff really light. Fantastic stuff

Thanks Ray, I'm a new subscriber so I'm finding your channel very useful. Up till now I've been a kayaker but I'm just about to get a canoe. I've recently hired one to give it a try and I love it. I follow a couple of canoe wild campers and do a little of that with my kayak however, been able to take any kit I choose with me is also very appealing. Our 16' hire boat was quite heavy so with several portages made for a tiring day. Add to that the wrist strain whilst learning the J stroke actually made me realise I need some pointers. You have provided that for me so thank you very much. All the best. Paul

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Sound like quite an adventure for a first day with portages and all. I hope the J-stoke is beginning to work for you and thank you for you comments.

@oddmanout98

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ray, It was a stretch of water on the River Stour I've paddled before, Sudbury to Bures Just never in a canoe. I did have my wife and dog for help though! I'm thinking about a Silverbirch Broadland 15 They look great, very similar to your Venture canoe. We'll be out again next week, giving it another go.

Great video very well explained and nice to see the ‘where you could be going wrong’ elements. Hope your keeping well.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍 Yep keeping we'll and now working on the Indian Stroke. All good here

@martinoutdoors6941

4 жыл бұрын

Ray Goodwin i know your sponsored but will you be doing a video on drysuits, what to look for etc ??

Hi Ray, I converted to canoe after 30 or 40 years paddling kayak, so stern rudder is natural for me & my attempts at J stroke have always strained my wrist. I just put it down to my personal biology & resigned myself to a slightly embarrased stern rudder - never feeling like a proper canoe paddler. I have watched countless "Learn the J Stroke videos" in the past, but without success. Your video is so clear and well explained that I think I can see it now. Can't wait to try it in practice. Thank you both so much - awesome.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for you kind comments. I am glad the tips are helping. Even so it is an investment in time and energy to get an efficient J-Stroke. Keep at it and good luck, ray

rly enjoying how thorough you explain these. would be great to see a vid on some of those variations you mentioned like the indian, canadian, etc. i’ve heard abt a goon stroke and a difference between a j and river j. there is a lot of terminology that gets thrown around and it seems like there is quite a bit of crossover with some of these strokes

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Terminology! It's a can of worms. So a goon stroke I don't use as a term but rather stern rudder and, if off the gunwale, stern pry. As far as I can see the 'River J' is just another term for a stern rudder/stern pry. Indian Stroke is kzread.info/dash/bejne/Yol9w5qbgse1gMY.html Anyway thank you for you kind comments and the Canadian Stroke will be done soon.

Hi Ray and Lina ... another awesome vid , could you do one on how to put the whipping on the paddle shaft please . Would be something we can all do at home ready for when the apocalypse has finished :)

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Great suggestion! I need to replace the current whipping so will do a short video.

Thanks Ray, my wife and I are just starting out in this sport, we live in the Midlands UK, we were advised by the UK OCA FB page to watch your instructional videos, that was great advice. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us newbies.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

That is awesome! If you are paddling tandem make sure you have a look at kzread.info/dash/bejne/a56Et7uqcd2po5M.html Have fun.

@alanmorris3636

3 жыл бұрын

@@RayGoodwinCanoe Thank you we certainly will.....very much appreciated.

Great video Ray! Really enjoyed it and always something new to learn. If you do another (you mentioned the stern pry and stern rudder in another) would you include a demo of the C stroke? With your camera boom I bet you can do a corker of a demo with it. Thanks so much, really enjoying watching these during lockdown. So a big thanks 🙂🙂🙂

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. C is on the list! And thank you for your kind comments.

@juliedavies3785

4 жыл бұрын

Ray Goodwin I’ve posted on the club page as I think these resources are great for all of us when we’re dying to be out there but can otherwise spend our time learning.

Excellent. Wonderfully clear explanations. Thank you for discussing the short J. It's what I use with my tandem partner. As I do it, my paddle barely comes out of vertical. It's so quick that I can do the quick J and keep paddling in sync with my bow at about 45 strokes per minute on calm water. I might add another advantage of the J vs the rudder/goon stroke is that it does not slow down the boat as much. The thumb up stroke tends to have more of a braking action. Another point about stern correction strokes in calm water is to make minor corrections each J. So, if you need to, say, adjust your course by 10 degrees, and you're not in a hurry, make the correction a little at a time over a series of strokes. That way, you avoid over correcting and having the boat drift past your intended target. It's also easier and in the long run, faster. All this is just quibbling. Your video is great.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for you useful comments and I am glad you are generally in agreement. We will all have our takes on this stroke but I wanted to get a base out there for those just learning it. I will be doing a video on thumb up corrections in a future video.

Thank you for some great educational video. I progressed rather fast from pointing my thumb down to up, not realizing it was a different named stroke. As an canoe instructor i Denmark, I paddled a lot solo, and my wrist could not take the load in this down pointing position, so I switched to up, and can paddle for weeks without any problems. The last three years I had nearly exclusively paddled indian style/Canadian Freestyle when soloing here in Norway where I live now. I came to your channel seeing your sailing tutorials by the way, mixing everything up. :-).

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Yep its great to mix sailing, poling and paddling. It's one of the reasons I so love the canoe. Interestingly I meet a lot of folk that find the J-stroke stressful on the wrist but with the trick of sliding the hand around and not have the blade on edge every stroke, people seem to master it. I would be interested in your experience if you play with that. Certainly, over distance, the J is a smoother more efficient strokes. Good to hear from you. Thanks

@mivaso

4 жыл бұрын

@@RayGoodwinCanoe Hi again. I love canoeing and I'm exited to try new things with it, so sailing will be the summer project. I haven't done a lot of poling, due to the requirement of a VERY long pole in the waters I paddle, but it could be something to try when the water predicted it. :-) I also think a lot find J-stroke stressful because of the way they are placed in the canoe, spiced with lack of upper body rotation. More rotation will place the arm and wrist more natural for the J-stroke, as you also say and nicely show in you video. If people are sitting straight, without body rotation the wrist will end up with a terrible angle, or rotation around the top as you show. I always teach for a good body rotation, but I think it is something people easy forget, and must remind themselves about. I have paddle many types of canoe, and my wrist is much better with J-stroke when kneeling toward the paddle side, and leaning the canoe, but today I primarily paddle a Bergans Ally (skin on frame canoe), because I like to use and show the ability to collapse it into a backpack when paddling from A to B, and the very light weight 15kg. but it has some drawbacks, which I think is why I progressed to a different style. The seat is fixed in the center, and badly shaped for other than wide straight kneeling, and the frame in the bottom is making it hard to be placed at an angle towards the paddle side when kneeling, but I will design a new full width seat and a pole attachment for sailing. Maybe it also help when canoeing, I hope. I will give the J-stroke a try with your hand rotation technique on my next trip, I agree the J stroke is more efficient over distance. I will tell you what I think. Have a nice day. Regards Michael

Now this is what i call "a short, complete and very easy to understand instructional video" on how to paddle a canoe, from a stand still to full speed... or a relaxed steady stroke. Just perfect. Thank you. BTW you still have the paddle that the other Ray made for you on the spot with his axe and that special knife?.. :)

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you that. Appreciated. Yes I do still have that paddle. It and the spatula are on the wall above me. 😊

The way I explain it is that when you take the first part of your stroke (from the right side, say), you are pulling the boat slightly (or at times, significantly) toward the side you are paddling on. But the second part--the actual "j"--helps course-correct you, but pushing the direction back toward the original direction.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

13 күн бұрын

Not sure I am with you there. The power element of the stoke will push the boat away from the stroke. So paddling on the right the bow moves left. Then the steering element (the J) corrects this. This is massively exaggerated on the very first stoke form stationary to in requires either much more steering or a modified stroke like a C to start with. Anyway that's my thinking. Thank you for commentating. Discussion is always good.

Hi Ray, excellent instructions, but would you be able to make a video demonstrating the strokes with a bent paddle in solo?

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, I have used bent paddles quite a bit but always tandem. In solo I would really need to get hold of a straight running boat, all of mine are too general purpose and too willing to turn. I hope to do a bit on bent paddles in the future but I am not sure it will answer what you want. not sure what to suggest. Sorry.

Hi Ray, more great stuff! The thumb up steering pry or rudder is also called the gooney stroke, I find it awkward. Another advantage to the elongated grip, guide grip, you show is the paddle can be longer or shorter depending on where the grip is applied, you can even stand and paddle.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, yep I also know it as the goon stroke. As a principal I never use that name as it implies that it is a foolish or unskilled stoke and words are powerful, hence I never use it as a name in my book or videos. Stern pry or stern rudder gives it a legitimacy. I will do a couple of videos on the stern rudder and stern pry but not 'til this lockdown is over. Yep I have a much longer paddle where the Northwoods style is very appropriate and yep I occasionally use it to stand and paddle. Thank you for you thoughtful comments. regards

@Tim8o1

4 жыл бұрын

@ downeast re; getting used to using the stern pry; when I used a plastic paddle I practiced the stern pry, then switched back to a J when using a wooden paddle. After a while I could switch from one to the other seamlessly to suit the situation; be it with a plastic paddle or wooden paddle. Adding onto what Ray said about power, when prying off the gunnel, you can really add to the power by leaning back applying some of your body weight to it, (being mindful of the paddle shaft and its strength) I hope this makes sense? Cheers Tim

@downeastprimitiveskills7688

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tim8o1 Yes, I am using the stern pry now and again. as Ray pointed out the silliness of the name goon or goony just adds to its awkwardness, I see it as more control of the paddle in the water. I do pry off the rails a lot and need to get a decent wrap on my cedar paddle as it flakes off wood kind of like pounding ash.

@downeastprimitiveskills7688

4 жыл бұрын

@@RayGoodwinCanoe No intent to term something foolish, I get what you mean though. Another variation on the J is the in water return, or the Indian stroke, I play with this frequently, almost a forward sculling stroke.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

@@downeastprimitiveskills7688: Lots of folk know it as the goon or goodie stroke so you are not alone. The Indian Stoke is one of my next videos.

Could you please tell me if this method works with Small Solo Canoe's under 12' in Length?, or is a Kayak paddle better for those? Thank you.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

It should do but I have no direct experience. Have fun trying. PS. A number of folk with smaller canoes use kayak paddles to go into the wind.

@EKEACRES

3 жыл бұрын

@@RayGoodwinCanoe Thank you for your reply.

@ericl2969

3 жыл бұрын

It absolutely works with short canoes. Proof of this is that it works with "medium-length" solo canoes that have enough rocker to be completely squirrely if they are not kept under constant and strict control. The same custom tailoring of every phase of every stroke that keeps a highly maneuverable (directionally-unstable) boat tracking like an arrow will accomplish the same thing on a little 12-footer. Most higher quality solos of such short length, however, are built with very low seats and have low sides, and it's expected that the user will use a double-blade (as Ray mentioned), but some makers offer the option of higher seats for kneeling and/or making good use of a single-blade.

I love that beavertail paddle. Is it homemade?

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Made by a company called Freebird. There is a link in the information below the video. Yep it is a great paddle, one of my favourites

Ray, do you have tips to learn to sit on the knees ? My knees are a bit troublesome. And sitting on the knees will hurt after a few minutes.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Ah the difficult question. Sad thing is my own knees are finally becoming troublesome and I am thinking of getting a scan on them to see if the damage is bone or ligament. Anyway a number of suggestions: A sloping seat or kneeling thwart makes thing more comfortable along with plenty of padding. With folk I am coaching I often tell them only to kneel when the conditions dictate so with rough conditions on a lake or running a decent rapid. I even had one customer, who had broken his femur years before, practise little and often at home. But putting it into perspective I did a 9 day wilderness trip in the Boundary Waters of Minnesota using fast canoes and bent shaft paddles. The seats in those boats were low so no kneeling at all during the trip. Hope that helps.

Hi there. I have just started canoeing and I have a 14ft fibreglass and resin solo canoe. A couple of questions. Firstly , am I best sitting/kneeling as close to the yoke as possible. I find the positioning of the kneeling seat a bit far back. You also say to paddle it backwards if solo but my canoe looks identical both ends so am I correct in saying there really is no backwards and forwards. Also, I read somewhere that the length of paddle should come up to just below the chin. I am not very confident in the water so it seems a silly hobby to take up but when I watch your videos it just looks so easy and fun. I also find I have to keep changing the side I paddle on to keep a straight line but you seem to do all the paddling from one side and the boat goes straight. What am I doing wrong. More practice? Thanks for your time. Steven. Ps Fell in for first time yesterday. Not pleasant. Cheers

@RayGoodwinCanoe

2 жыл бұрын

Yep being close to the yoke (solo) means that the end you are looking at is not too far in the air. Some folk remove the carrying yoke so they can have a seat or kneeling thwart positioned so your weight is only just behind the mid point. Most canoes, but not all, are symmetrical so forwards is the way I am facing. With a plastic style paddle I use an inch or so below the chin as an easy measurement: this does not work with wooden paddles like an otter tail where the blade is very long. Changing sides: with practice you should be able to stay on one side most of the time. It is a great hobby just make good decisions on where to paddle. Have fun. (Sorry for slow reply but I have had had a serious infection and have only just got over it)

Thanks for sharing ray im new to this and in middle of looking for my first canoe nice to see these paddle strokes you make it look so easy thanks again , could you recomend between a hou canoe venture nova craft or any other brand its for local lochs in scotland and taking grandkids out while camping thanks All the best and stay safe ....colin 👍🛶

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help. Hi fella, Hou, Nova Craft and Venture all make good boats. I am sponsored by Venture and choose to be with them. I use the Venture Prospector which is a good boat for touring including lakes and rivers like the Spey. The Hou Prospector is good as well so I would recommend that you go to a supplier that will let you try them out to see if which suits you better, but having said that all would do the job. If you are taking the grand kids out I would get a little tuition or join a club to increase your knowledge not only of strokes but far more importantly the judgement calls you need to make. All of us make mistakes so it important to understand the consequences due to cold water, wind or distance from the shore. My book has plenty on this but nothing beats contact with folk who have experience. But it is great to paddle and camp with youngsters and so many do it with safety and enjoyment. Have fun.

@ccwweeman3385

3 жыл бұрын

@@RayGoodwinCanoe hi thanks so much ray very much appreciated sir i have a local country park water (loch) that does lessons and everything about safety its only 2 miles away ,definetly going to look at the venture and hou prospector canoes thanks for returning my questions i will have a look online for your book cheers all the best ....colin 👍🛶🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

@@ccwweeman3385 Looks like a good plan. Amazon do the book but I also do signed copies direct: Email for information Ray@RayGoodwin.com

Great advice, Ray. Thanks. I’ll be checking to make sure I’m not making those mistakes now. What are your thoughts on using asymmetrical grips, like some of those found on Redtail paddles, and how they affect certain strokes? I was also interested to see you wearing the NRS Odyssey. I’m about to purchase a new pfd and this has come out top of my list. Would you recommend it for all round canoe tripping and camping?

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, Thank you for your comments. Asymmetrical grips: much prefer and generally use symmetrical one myself other than on bent shaft/elbow paddles. I think it is because the Indian Stroke is such an important part of my paddling and you rotate the hand grip in that. But that is about style and opinion and lots of folk love the Redtail paddles. NRS Odyssey: love it. I am sponsored by NRS but them having PFDs that work for me was a key part of the deal. Hope that all helps, Ray

@petermyler7458

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Ray. That’s very helpful 🙂

Great video surprised that you don’t have a bent shaft paddle for flat water

@RayGoodwinCanoe

7 ай бұрын

Good comment. I tend to use bent shafts on straighter running canoes. I have done miles using them on expedition in the Boundary Waters of Michigan. Got a really lightweight carbon Wenonah. One day I will get around to making a video about them. But yes I use bent shaft paddles.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

7 ай бұрын

Good comment. I tend to use bent shafts on straighter running canoes. I have done miles using them on expedition in the Boundary Waters of Michigan. Got a really lightweight carbon Wenonah. One day I will get around to making a video about them. But yes I use bent shaft paddles. It is amazing how things differ from area to area: in the Boundary Waters most folk use bent shafts, in Algonquin in Ontario most will use straight paddles and J stroke.

Wonderfull video , do you recommend this technique for long distances , i am currently using a double blade but willing to learn this.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, absolutely. However it will feel like a step backwards initially as it takes a time so acquire and hone the skill. I would certainly keep taking the double blade for some while.

@hendikaf3525

4 жыл бұрын

@@RayGoodwinCanoe I will do , thanks for the videos and the response

Would you say, if you can only afford one of these premium paddles, to take the biggest one, especially if you are a heavy guy? So should I take the right away the white water big dipper over white water, regular dipper and big dipper paddle?

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Certainly not the regular dipper, I think you would find the blade too small. personally the WW Big Dipper is my go to paddle on white water (if it is very shallow I will swap to a plastic bladed paddle) and in a wind as well. I like the stiffness of the shaft when I am putting in a big effort.

Is it normal to have a "c" likemail finish in the stroke? I find it make the canoe straighten out naturally .

@RayGoodwinCanoe

Жыл бұрын

yes. The J is meant to bend out at the end of the stroke hence the J shape to it. Have a look at my C-stroke video for some extra information on a variation. Cheers

Good day Ray. Question for you. Pertaining to canoe paddle shaft length. I generally paddle from a sitting position in a Prospector 15' canoe. I think I have my ottertail paddle sized property but given this extra time to really think about my purchase I was wondering if a more river style blade with say a 18' blade would need a longer shaft? My understanding is that the shaft length should remain the same on any style paddle seeing as your grip on the shaft remains the same, and with good technique you're putting the whole blade in the water but little to no shaft. But then when I go to shop for one of these shorter blade paddles they don't even make a shaft length to accommodate matching my ottertail (34"shaft) telling me that you really do need a longer shaft on those shorter blade style paddles. With the way I'm currently doing it, I'm a 5'10 man and I'm trying to select a shorter than the shortest available paddle so I figure I'm doing something wrong. Any input would be awesome. I'm clearly overthinking this. It's just I'm shopping online due to covid and don't want to have to ship back.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

I tend to keep all the shafts around the same length. The only big difference is I tend to use a shorter paddle expeditioning in North America as the boat is heavily laden and deeper in the water. I am 5' 7'' and paddle with shaft length around 35'' so yours might be a bit short for my taste. I would probably go for around 38'' for shaft length for someone of your height however it does come down to personal taste in the end. A lot of white water paddles come with the shaft uncut so you can tailer to your own taste. Hope this helps a bit. Kind regards Ray

@TOOZECRUISE

4 жыл бұрын

@@RayGoodwinCanoe Thanks for the reply Ray. I value your input.

I see a very long blade on the paddle Ray, does this improve speed?

@RayGoodwinCanoe

Жыл бұрын

Ok so the following is just my opinion: If I want to go fast or pull hard I will use a short bladed paddle such as a beaver tail. Lots of blade engaged the moment you touch water. Otter tail paddles, long thin blades, have a much more gradual application of grip and power. But this style of otter tail is very sensitive to the water so it is a pleasure to paddle with in easier conditions and is generally much more feely in the water. So strokes such as the J and Indian (or Hunting/Silent stroke) are much easier to learn. Hope that helps. Ray

Hello I have a question . Is it a Prospector 155 or maybe 165 because I can't see anything exactly? thanks and regards.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

Жыл бұрын

155. Hope that helps

You can pick your good shoulder over your bad one which is handy . That’s important when you’re our age. 😬🇨🇦👍

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Age does slow us down as my body likes to remind me.

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@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you

What is a gunnel? Can’t find the translation to it. Thanks.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

4 жыл бұрын

It’s gunwale. On my canoe the black plastic trim all around the top. The spelling and pronunciation don’t quite match up

@MsAffli

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Ray. Hope you're well. Regards from Holland

what is the length of the canoe in this video?

@RayGoodwinCanoe

Жыл бұрын

15’5’’. Or 4.64 metres

The goon stroke is more efficient than the J stroke in the stern. In ww canoes, I only need to use a correction about every 5 strokes, and I still may not use a J stroke.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

We will have to disagree on that one🙂. Generally most folk feel the J-stroke is the more effective steering stoke for cruising. The pry (sometimes called the goon stroke) is certainly a more powerful steering stroke and lots of us use it on white water or when accelerating, hence it is the subject for another of my videos on the channel. But we can each have our own opinion.

I learnt thumb-up as "river J" and thumb-down as "lake J".

@RayGoodwinCanoe

3 жыл бұрын

Yep I have seen that split in the name and I must admit it is one that I strongly disagree with. I will use both strokes in both environments so that split doesn't make sense. On a river I will a alternate between these strokes as the situation demands and teach my students to do so. On the lake I will certainly being doing a lot of thumb up steering with a strong following wind as the J just doesn't put enough power into the steering without locking the body into an awkward balance position. So folk do come up with new names from time to time, and yes that spit is in common use in parts fo the States, but I think it is a false one and not very useful. Anyway that's my thinking on the names. But thank you for watching and commentating. It so useful sharing ideas.

Why do people bang the side of the, canoe with the paddle ? No one ever snuck up on a critter, banging the canoe.

@RayGoodwinCanoe

2 жыл бұрын

Have a look at the video on the Indian Stoke which shows a silent stroke for sneaking up on wildlife. So I shift between stokes for different purposes. Levering off the side of a canoe makes for very easy steering over a long distance, for silence I use the Indian Stoke.