Master of Library Science: What You Should Know

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  • @Lucia-io3dn
    @Lucia-io3dn4 жыл бұрын

    Jeez, I forgot how expensive studying is in the US. No wonder you have to be 100% sure that's the career you want! I'm glad I live in a country where education is free, you can change your mind as many times as you want!!

  • @Lucia-io3dn

    @Lucia-io3dn

    3 жыл бұрын

    Viola Chess Argentina

  • @graybow2255

    @graybow2255

    3 жыл бұрын

    Same in Syria

  • @meanreversion6849

    @meanreversion6849

    3 жыл бұрын

    You can get financial aid and grants in the U.S under certain conditions. By the way, if it's paid by the tax payers it isn't really free. Finally, I am don't see any advantages in changing your mind as many times as you want. What's the plan? Graduating when you're 40 after changing your major 10 times? This might also scare many employers, are you going to quit after 3 weeks if they hire you? In the U.S you just have to be smarter and mature when it comes to college as there are plenty of useless degrees and you don't want to waste time and money for a piece of paper. Where I live a Master of Library Science will get you a job with a $20 to $23/hour compensation; imo it is only worth it if you're really passionate about this field, the requirements vs wages/salary are a bit laughable in some areas.

  • @Artemis820

    @Artemis820

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lucky , I routinely have anxiety over the degree plan I chose and whether I'll be able to find a any good jobs with it but there's no way I'm switching since I already spent soo much on it

  • @isaacdeleon4898

    @isaacdeleon4898

    2 жыл бұрын

    To begin with: you are cute!! Take as a compliment. Yes most people come to US looking for the American dream. But that doesn’t exist anymore. Here you study to make money for the politicians. I do have a degree on computers, I have taken workshops on Finalcial and I’m a profesional on the construction business but that doesn’t make me happy. It makes me Money only

  • @Seiferboi
    @Seiferboi5 жыл бұрын

    I work in a library at a community college in circulation. Shelving and pulling books is a large part of it, but I've also done inventory and managing collections. It's awesome how it's helped with finding research!

  • @ayeweballing2102

    @ayeweballing2102

    8 ай бұрын

    This gotta be the most useless degree ever 🤦 how to be a librarian 101…… 6 month course 🤷

  • @sw8871

    @sw8871

    Ай бұрын

    Same, I've also been part of purchasing and doing copy cataloging. Feels more like a proper apprenticeship, and makes me really grateful to get such a great overview. I'm still planning on getting my masters but I'm going to focus on archival studies

  • @timothyjoyce1963
    @timothyjoyce19633 жыл бұрын

    Girl, I'm old. And you just inspired me to go back to school. Thanks for that :)

  • @J.-sb4ep
    @J.-sb4ep3 ай бұрын

    This is one of the most succinct and helpful videos I’ve found on this topic. Thank you!

  • @Sionnanful
    @Sionnanful4 жыл бұрын

    I have a bachelors degree in history education and I decided I didn’t really want to be a teacher after the fact. I’ve always wanted to be a librarian and I think I’m going to pursue it. I’d love to archive and work with old documents as well, and the college I live near offers a dual masters in library and information science as well as history. It sounds like a lot, but I’m also planning on getting my foot in the door and looking for a clerk job at a library.

  • @freepalestinanow

    @freepalestinanow

    2 жыл бұрын

    o

  • @shielamariebunot6461
    @shielamariebunot64612 жыл бұрын

    Just continue inspiring beginner library staff

  • @MorganaQuesteraBeautyPageants
    @MorganaQuesteraBeautyPageants5 жыл бұрын

    Great video with lots of information. Congrats!

  • @rachelfryer506
    @rachelfryer5064 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much, I have been researching this degree for a while now and haven't really found anyone who explains it so well, and with such enthusiasm! You explain the different areas you can go into very well and I have a better picture now of which one I'd prefer. I was wondering how experience plays into it, and volunteer was definitely what came to mind. Thank you so much, I appreciate this a lot!!!

  • @canaldovander6854
    @canaldovander68545 жыл бұрын

    Hi! I'm from Brazil and I started my bachelor in Library Science ("Biblioteconomia" in Portuguese) this year, at UNIRIO - Universidade Federal do Estado do Rio de Janeiro. And I'm was looking for more information about this field in USA when I found your video. So thanks for sharing your experiences and for keeping your channel. :)

  • @anthonyurbina607

    @anthonyurbina607

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dont waste your time youll.make no.money

  • @Lucia-io3dn

    @Lucia-io3dn

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@anthonyurbina607 people who study this career don't do it for the money.

  • @erinserb

    @erinserb

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Lucia-io3dn Lucia, fully agreed, one doesn't go into our profession looking for mega money.

  • @MelissaFreeman
    @MelissaFreeman Жыл бұрын

    I got super super lucky in finding a paraprofessional librarian position. I have a banking background and must say librarianship has been the most fulfilling and gratifying job I’ve ever had.

  • @leacampbell2969

    @leacampbell2969

    Жыл бұрын

    I read your comment and got excited 😆 I’m currently in banking/mortgage and am looking to get into this dream job. You mentioned it’s been fulfilling…I’m guessing you’ll never go back to banking?

  • @jurnalsarjana1897

    @jurnalsarjana1897

    Күн бұрын

    hi melissa, I am also about to be a librarian as well in near time, i used to be a high school teacher. do you have any suggestion what i need to prepare?

  • @clementdong
    @clementdong4 жыл бұрын

    Really nice to know all these information about LIS! Really helpful!

  • @iler21
    @iler214 жыл бұрын

    Oh my gosh, where did you get you Belle in the bookshop print?? I have been trying to find it!😍

  • @Allison1111
    @Allison11112 ай бұрын

    This video was really informative and helpful. I've been stuck in a retail job and can't find anything else, I've been thinking that a masters in something will help me out.

  • @mahtabrafiee
    @mahtabrafiee2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your amazing video. That was really helpful. I have already applied to some programs in information studies beginning from Sep 2022. Would you please let me know what software or tools you think I need to learn to get prepared for the program?

  • @johnbanda6601
    @johnbanda66012 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much

  • @maddieguarino1785
    @maddieguarino17852 жыл бұрын

    i just applied to childhood ed programs for grad schools but I'm starting to think I want to do this!

  • @bookjockey6018
    @bookjockey60185 жыл бұрын

    +infinity to getting real library experience before getting the degree. Other option is customer service experience, whether it's retail, fast food, tech support, etc.

  • @shelbydahlem4795

    @shelbydahlem4795

    2 жыл бұрын

    That is good advice. I’ve spent a few years as a grocery store clerk and have dealt with plenty of customer service.

  • @louchies
    @louchies3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much for making this video ^_^

  • @aerznerollesor4225
    @aerznerollesor42254 жыл бұрын

    Hi Im Rea :) Im taking Bachelor in library of information science here in the philippines :)

  • @imana6852
    @imana68524 жыл бұрын

    I’m entering college majoring in hospitality management and plan on volunteering/ getting a job at my city library. I hope to earn my Master’s in Library Science after graduating college!!

  • @imana6852

    @imana6852

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Abdessamed Belaib Hi! I currently go to Cal Poly right now :) I hope to go to SJSU for my Master's

  • @imana6852

    @imana6852

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Abdessamed Belaib Congrats!!! that's so awesome! You're wayy ahead of me by having a Master's haha. My recommendations is if you would like to study in the U.S., definitely research colleges that affordable, especially since you are internationally-based. I am choosing SJSU are my grad school because it is one of the most affordable for me :) I also recommend connecting with a librarian in the field of your choice and send them emails about your goals; their experience may help you out. That is what I did and their answers helped me out a ton. I would say, continue watching videos of other librarians' experiences, research on the best outcomes for you to study here, and connect with people who share the same goals as you :))

  • @imana6852

    @imana6852

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Abdessamed Belaib I'm sorry I couldn't help out more but I wish you all the best

  • @freepalestinanow

    @freepalestinanow

    2 жыл бұрын

    حلو

  • @humrahi9783
    @humrahi9783 Жыл бұрын

    I have done my Masters of library and library sciences ..

  • @prathameshkodgire8642
    @prathameshkodgire864211 ай бұрын

    I don't have any relation with this video, I just watched the full video. you are the cutest

  • @sirsy7064
    @sirsy70642 жыл бұрын

    Library Science is not a known program, in fact there are less number of Librarians all over the world. With this, its really a challenge on how to promote this program to the general public. In a country where I came from (Philippines), after finishing or graduating this 4 year program the graduates must pass the librarians licensure examination which contains 6 major areas in the field. After that, we can take or enroll for MLIS program in graduate school.

  • @dmbalsam
    @dmbalsam7 ай бұрын

    I went to college as an education major. I student taught in a school library. I had an undergraduate minor in Library Science. After graduation I worked as a school librarian/media specialist and pressured my MLIS while working. Because of a major out of state move and before the internet, i attended 2 different master programs. Other required classes you failed to mention are reference materials, administration, and cataloging. My specialty is children’s literature. The technology classes at that time are totally different, computers were just starting to be used in libraries. I had to learn a computer language and never used that knowledge.

  • @mycatsheenacashappid4240
    @mycatsheenacashappid42402 жыл бұрын

    Thanks 😊

  • @enthuesd
    @enthuesd Жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @hosammansor6631
    @hosammansor66314 жыл бұрын

    Thaks it was clear I am considering learning a program in a university called knowledge and information management , some classess included in this program as you mentioned like indexing and cataloguing , other classes are : organising information , information retrieving from internet , management of libraries and information systems , management of library systems , marketing and organisational behaviour are some of the courses constituting the program , do you think its possible to work in jobs that require you to read a lot and editing what you red or i am just looking at the wrong degree ? If so what you recommend maybe as a master degree which leads to occupy a job which deals with a lot of reading espisaly academic content/books/magazines/academic documents and so on iam really looking for answer for a long time .. or this job is just an illusion ☹️ ?

  • @michellesunshinestar
    @michellesunshinestar2 жыл бұрын

    I would recommend volunteering at a library too. I'm not going to get a degree ever, but volunteering is a good idea. I'm farsighted and my eyes have gotten worse. I can't read those barcodes any more.

  • @dirtywashedupsparkle
    @dirtywashedupsparkle3 жыл бұрын

    Curious @WordNerds, why do you need to read graphic novels?

  • @morganlily.
    @morganlily.3 жыл бұрын

    I've volunteered at my local public library and I have been recently trying to find a Librarian assistant/ circulation job in my area just to get more experience and see if this is something that I want to pursue a degree in. However, most job listings require an MLIS. It's hard to get more experience when jobs already require you to have it. Do you have any recommendations?

  • @chelseawritesbooks8763

    @chelseawritesbooks8763

    2 жыл бұрын

    Librarian here: I don't know what your libraries are like in your area, but if you find a big library system, maybe a county wide system with branches that is reletively busy, they usually have more jobs open that do not require MLIS, as they usually need more part time help. Or if you find a small, private library, they sometimes will hire without an MLIS. I was hired at a small, private library with only a BA for the YA librarian position. I'll be going back for my MLS in a couple years, but they said I could take my time with it.

  • @morganlily.

    @morganlily.

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@chelseawritesbooks8763 hi! I actually recently got hired as a circulation assistant for a public library so I’ll be doing that for a while and see where it goes. :)

  • @chelseawritesbooks8763

    @chelseawritesbooks8763

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@morganlily. Congrats!!

  • @margaretcapers2368
    @margaretcapers23684 жыл бұрын

    what school do you attend.

  • @msdblogofficial07
    @msdblogofficial07 Жыл бұрын

    Love you💖

  • @abdulrahmanghazali1834
    @abdulrahmanghazali183411 ай бұрын

    I am from Egypt. I got a bachelor's degree in library and information science. I want to get a master's degree in one of the programs accredited by the American Library Association. I don't know what to do. Can you help me?

  • @doggo841
    @doggo8414 жыл бұрын

    Hello, was just wondering in your opinion if having an MLS is less desirable than an MLIS? The school I’m going to only offers an MLS

  • @erinserb

    @erinserb

    3 жыл бұрын

    An MLS is similar to an MLIS - you will get coursework in all of the important library subjects, plus information technology tools.

  • @jjettswriting1900
    @jjettswriting19003 жыл бұрын

    Emma, I'm just compiling my list of schools. I love graphic novels but I haven't seen many universities that offer that. May I please ask you: which school are you attending?

  • @user-dv8og7pf8j

    @user-dv8og7pf8j

    2 жыл бұрын

    .:…

  • @libraryscienceacademy9590
    @libraryscienceacademy95903 жыл бұрын

    Good

  • @readplayandgrow8943
    @readplayandgrow89434 жыл бұрын

    What school did you go to?

  • @moonknight8979
    @moonknight89792 жыл бұрын

    What r u say i can't understand but U r awesome

  • @yiweili.2212
    @yiweili.22124 жыл бұрын

    Hi, there! I am Amy, and I am wondering what MLIS program you are participating in?And how much would it cost? I am located in China as a school librarian and I am considering to attend a program to broaden up my knowledges and insights in this area. Thank you so much for the introducation!

  • @user-dv8og7pf8j

    @user-dv8og7pf8j

    2 жыл бұрын

    .:.-..

  • @chaudharysunilnain4392
    @chaudharysunilnain43922 жыл бұрын

    I completed my masters in library science from India now I want to study in USA to continue my PhD.. is there any scholarships program for this? please tell me about this I'm confusing

  • @Rj98Rajat
    @Rj98Rajat2 жыл бұрын

    I'm from India I'm a LIBRARIAN But I want to do a job in us What I do for this...? Can you tell me ..?

  • @nyambeglen3395
    @nyambeglen33954 жыл бұрын

    I'll study this to avoid electronics I'm an electronics hobbyist but I got discouraged by the amount of maths electronics and electrical engineering has I'm out

  • @umeshjblive
    @umeshjblive Жыл бұрын

    Hey ms ...i am Umesh from INDIA...i want to come/go to USA for getting MLIS degree in Library Science...what all thing i require to do...

  • @thomesjack8138
    @thomesjack81384 жыл бұрын

    which university in usa has provide phd dgree in library and information science ?

  • @roonieh9619

    @roonieh9619

    2 жыл бұрын

    Simmons but no one ever gets in!

  • @fortusvictus8297
    @fortusvictus82972 жыл бұрын

    What are the future prospects for this career field? It seems like this one would be at a VERY high risk of automation.

  • @bhanuprakash-sg9mg
    @bhanuprakash-sg9mg2 жыл бұрын

    Mam how to steady Library and information science

  • @Razear
    @Razear4 жыл бұрын

    The programs that I've researched seem to contain a lot of group work and verbal presentations. Is that true for your program? Also, is there a thesis component for your degree or is it solely coursework?

  • @ariannea3

    @ariannea3

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm currently doing my master in LIS (in Canada) and yes, we do have a lot of group works. I'm not a big fan of group works either. In my program, we have the option to write a thesis or we can choose the internship.

  • @Razear

    @Razear

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ariannea3 Oh, okay. What school do you go to? I got into Western (UWO) and heard that there's a lot of group projects. Apparently the program at UWO has a co-op option but it takes longer to graduate if you do it.

  • @ariannea3

    @ariannea3

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Razearokay, cool. I'm at the University of Montreal. I just check the UWO information science program and everything looks interesting!

  • @jamesrokhum5262

    @jamesrokhum5262

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ariannea3 I wanted to come to Canada,for studying Library and Information Science for Master,and I'm from Philosophy background now in my bachelor,but I have no money to come to Canada..Im from India🇮🇳.from poor family background,and my dream is to visit Canada one day ❤❤❤

  • @craigsmith6468
    @craigsmith64683 жыл бұрын

    Is the Master of Education in Library Science the equivalent of an MLIS?

  • @shivammoradia887

    @shivammoradia887

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes

  • @jibishajames5715
    @jibishajames57152 жыл бұрын

    I'm an MLISC graduate from India. Can you tell me the job opportunities of the course in america and European countries? Is there any additional qualification needed?

  • @Rj98Rajat

    @Rj98Rajat

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm also from India And I also find job opportunity in America and European countries. Do you find jobs in these countries and way...?

  • @RaviKumar-wr8cr
    @RaviKumar-wr8cr2 ай бұрын

    Whats the career scope in united States

  • @HamidKhan-qn7zp
    @HamidKhan-qn7zp Жыл бұрын

    My name is hamid khan I'm from Pakistan i want to started my study in Australia in library science and I'm also completed my graduation degree in university of sargodha here in pakistan can you tell me the best university in australia in different countries please answer me 🙂

  • @mechoreeezogamingandentert1077
    @mechoreeezogamingandentert10772 жыл бұрын

    😃

  • @Rocks-anne89
    @Rocks-anne894 жыл бұрын

    Just went back to school and im interested in this position im currently working on my AA but have gotten to the point to start thinking about my BA. What should i get my BA in? Any recommendations as a future Librarian. Thanks for all the info :)

  • @erinserb

    @erinserb

    3 жыл бұрын

    Roxannee, a good BA would be in English, History, Geography; mainly English because there is so much you can and will do in the library. Hope this helps!

  • @Rocks-anne89

    @Rocks-anne89

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@erinserb Thank you :) ill look into that once the time comes... for sure 👍

  • @makeupbykristent7481

    @makeupbykristent7481

    3 жыл бұрын

    Im wanting to be a librarian, i'm an English BA major.

  • @cinnamonflan1412

    @cinnamonflan1412

    3 жыл бұрын

    Social work or Chicanos Studies or Women’s Studies 😉 Psychology or Sociology is good too. Whatever helps you get to know your community with a new lens.

  • @ashokkumar-oe7xl
    @ashokkumar-oe7xl3 жыл бұрын

    Which university provide master in library program in canada can you please tell me

  • @user-dv8og7pf8j

    @user-dv8og7pf8j

    2 жыл бұрын

    ..:…

  • @waqasullahkhanofficial6298
    @waqasullahkhanofficial62983 ай бұрын

    How to get PhD degree scholarship in USA??

  • @neelampremkumar5805
    @neelampremkumar5805 Жыл бұрын

    Qualification for library science

  • @natasshaarreola4723
    @natasshaarreola47232 жыл бұрын

    Do you have to have teaching experience? I see alot librarians have been teachers before. I have a teaching degree but I didn't find teaching satisfying. I currently work at Barnes and noble as a business development specialist and I am interested in being a librarian!!

  • @agary918

    @agary918

    2 жыл бұрын

    Do it Natasha!☝🏻😌

  • @chelseawritesbooks8763

    @chelseawritesbooks8763

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nope. It helps though, when hiring youth services librarians. A lot of kids and teen programs are similiar to activites or after school clubs in school, so it is helpful to have experience working with kids and knowing where the developmental stages, but it's not required. There's also adult services, reference, and circulation departments available that don't focus on kids.

  • @chandimatabhajans
    @chandimatabhajans10 ай бұрын

    Hi i have done BLIS and MLIS any Job for me pls?

  • @christopherabraham5158
    @christopherabraham51585 жыл бұрын

    How do I get a masters scholarship in library science

  • @bookwormidaho321

    @bookwormidaho321

    5 жыл бұрын

    Go to the American Library Association to start. They usually have a small list of scholarships. Also check with the school you are going to and check to see if they have funding options for a graduate program. In most cases you won't receive pell grants for a post-grad degree (masters) unless it goes into some kind of education position (check with your school for this). It may help in your favor to go to a school that is specifically for librarianship. Also try this site for some scholarship information: ischool.uw.edu/programs/mlis/tuition-financial-aid/scholarships. Hope this helps.

  • @imonsheikh8041

    @imonsheikh8041

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@bookwormidaho321 How can a international students get scholarship from ALA...?

  • @bookwormidaho321

    @bookwormidaho321

    4 жыл бұрын

    Imon Sheikh it really depends on the school you want to go to and what you have to do there to receive funding from the school or federal scholarships ( by US standards). I would look first into ALA scholarships and call or email the foundations to check if the funds can be used in another country and then see if there are any oversea schooling scholarships that can be used for multiple subjects, not just specifically a library school If you are going to go to a foreign country, you are going to need to do ALOT of research and double and triple check everything. I just recommend taking a whole year to the side to plan it out accordingly if you want the entire thing to be funded by scholarships, otherwise all I can tell you is to research the scholarships I have listed in my comments above. Hope this helps.

  • @amazingamour
    @amazingamour11 күн бұрын

    Hello My name is Tanu Rathi and I am from India. I needed your help.I want to do internship in library science. I have completed my Master in Library Science in (Master in Library and Information Science). And I have 5 year experience in teaching children.and 2 year experience in library works And now I want to experience the library. I love reading and studying plzzzz help. If I am eligible for internship then please send me the details and tell me what is the process. Can my visa be sponsored for internship? Please provide information. You give me all the details. Thanks and Regards

  • @danishlibraryscience1122
    @danishlibraryscience11222 жыл бұрын

    I am m lib student

  • @infopedia6497
    @infopedia64974 жыл бұрын

    Iam from India iam doing bachelor of library information science

  • @jamesrokhum5262

    @jamesrokhum5262

    4 жыл бұрын

    Im also from India,Im doing Bachelor at Philosophy,so I want to master now at Library&information science.

  • @sbkumarvlog8967
    @sbkumarvlog89673 жыл бұрын

    Hiii

  • @jaffarthekaffir7279
    @jaffarthekaffir72793 жыл бұрын

    Can anyone help me to find me a job here??

  • @user-dv8og7pf8j

    @user-dv8og7pf8j

    2 жыл бұрын

    .:…

  • @nononouh
    @nononouh Жыл бұрын

    6

  • @user-sg2ye5gy8c
    @user-sg2ye5gy8c Жыл бұрын

    I library science student online jobs

  • @soniyadav2213
    @soniyadav2213 Жыл бұрын

    What career this field I am doing blis this is right and worng

  • @mesfinayde5947
    @mesfinayde59473 жыл бұрын

    what is difference b/n kOHA Catalogs And Winnebago Catalogs ? what is The Laws of Library ? What is The Borrowing Systems of Library Materials ? What is Today's Library catalougs Systems ? Koha catalogs or Winnebago Catalogs excuse My Teachers

  • @1967lovechild

    @1967lovechild

    3 жыл бұрын

    So many questions...GOOGLE it. 😁

  • @annieboookhall
    @annieboookhall2 жыл бұрын

    I've very sure that this is not the job for me. I work in a library

  • @Naioki4

    @Naioki4

    2 жыл бұрын

    What's it like?

  • @annieboookhall

    @annieboookhall

    2 жыл бұрын

    Coworkers are great. Other than that, think the worst of office monotony meets the worst of customer service

  • @jilljunkjuck4981
    @jilljunkjuck49812 жыл бұрын

    ✖️ Don't search ✖️ 📍 mastery of library 📍

  • @freepalestinanow

    @freepalestinanow

    2 жыл бұрын

    ?

  • @anthonyurbina607
    @anthonyurbina6074 жыл бұрын

    Why do you need a degree to work at a library

  • @JD-zi7ip

    @JD-zi7ip

    4 жыл бұрын

    You don't need a degree for the lower paying, mainly clerical jobs, which are usually called "library page," "library assistant," or "library technician." However, to provide reference services, do instruction, cataloging, collection development, and management, a MLS, MLIS, or equivalent degree is generally required, at least in the United States and Canada. People in these positions need to have high levels of skill, general knowledge, and experience, and are usually called "librarians." Librarians create and develop libraries and library services to serve their particular communities. They are familiar with information sources (books, journals, videos, music, online sources, etc.) that their communities would find useful, educational, or entertaining. They know the publishing industries. They know how to organize the materials they collect or otherwise provide access to. They talk with their users and provide specialized reference services (i.e. they locate information to answer specific questions). They also offer programs that help people become aware of what the library offers. They know what's no longer needed and keep their libraries fresh.

  • @76dmarie

    @76dmarie

    3 жыл бұрын

    Really? You should need a degree to go in a library, but you don't, and the public suffers.

  • @tina8796
    @tina8796 Жыл бұрын

    On average what does a librarian make. Also, I'm probably going to get yelled at, but I think it sounds very boring.

  • @TheDavidsot
    @TheDavidsot6 ай бұрын

    Geez, just drop out if its so terrible

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