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I'm seeing everyone say "MONK GETS DOUBLE JUMP!!!!" all over the internet. But that's not what the patch note says. It says, "... allowing you to double jump TO DASH FORWARD..." As in you press jump twice to trigger the dash. It doesn't sound like you will jump twice. Rather you will dash in the middle of your normal jump. Just want to clarify before the community gets outraged and claims they removed the double jump later on.

@BillNyeX69

2 ай бұрын

Same thing they were spewing about DK and mounted combat. It says "mount in combat" not mounted combat

@baneleaf7025

2 ай бұрын

It is more of a glide at the end of roll, not a true double jump.

As a Feral Druid main since freakin' MoP, I have a feeling that sometimes, developers that are in charge of the Cat really do NOT play the spec at all. Like, they're not testing it for themselves when applying these types of changes. Some changes are good on "paper" and "slowing" the spec down isn't that bad.. but! ARE YOU HAVING FUN WHILE PLAYING IT? Do you feel like a fuckin' ferocious predator tearing up your enemies/prey and shit? I don't think they play the class at all. It's like they're just watching it from the sidelines, look at the certain numbers (without comparing it to the performance of OTHER classes) and they just go like - "Hmmm. 20% increase of damage for a certain talent, for a brief period of time?! TOO MUCH. CUT THAT SHIT in half or something"... For years, Feral druids have been sweating really hard to actually get to the top 10 (depends on the expansion) on the damage charts (basically, to be viable as a dps) and DragonFlight Feral is the most fun I had in years playing El Gatto AND to actually feel viable, do big deeps, pump big time numbers and dps. It feels fun, basically. Hey, we finally got to the point that we can out-dps a freakin' Moonkin and to be more viable on some raid fights.... I dunno man... I'm torn in the middle on these changes... (Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk).

@senka2578

2 ай бұрын

Exactly! I would like to see feral become more competitive. It just seems as if the devs aren’t interested in doing just that. They treat feral with vague enthusiasm while favoring other damage dealing classes as ‘more fun’. I do agree with you on the Dragonflight changes to the class. I have had fun and I feel like I can slice and dice anything that gets in my way. I would hate to lose that experience.

@migrimtan2693

2 ай бұрын

@@senka2578 Weeeell, it seem we were going way too fast and having too much fun! HOW DARE WE?! I dunno... I'm kinda defeated (or rather, feel like it) on the front of Feral. I have always been ride or die for Feral, even through THE WORST of the WORST for the spec... Raiding, doing M+, all of it (PVP as well).. and as soon as we get an ounce of GOOD things for the spec.. boom. We get shot down like we're nothing. It Why do we need to slow down?! Why is the reset (e.g.) for the Tiger's Fury gone (when you kill a target with a bleed on it)??? Why? I was so fuckin' stocked for the War Within, especially for the Hero Talents and us finally being able to be "Druids of the Claw" but all we can do now, it seems, is to again, struggle like always. Seems that I will have to go back to Bear full time. Bah... We'll see how the Cat will perform once the true WW launches. It's early alpha, we've yet to see what will they do...

@migrimtan2693

2 ай бұрын

@loveyourself3246 I dunnoo.... Slowing it down, doesn't mean it'll be more approachable as a class. It still has tons of things to take care of... Do you realize that Feral is still the only class in the game, that has snapshot mechanic to its gameplay? On top of that, you have TWO resources to take care off and ALL that for miniscule damage. I manage to always land in the top 10 dps in my guild, but that was only in the DF and only because I've been playing it for shit ton of years. I have all those rotations as my second nature. It's a lot for a new player. If they want a new user friendly experience - first - get rid of the fucking snapshot mechanic. THEN, think about even removing combo points and focus solely on Energy. I mean, I can theorycraft about it 'till tomorrow, but slowing down the spec, I dunno.... Bah... we'll see. :D

@Max-dv1kq

2 ай бұрын

The thing ive learned in all my time since wotlk until now is that, if a feral main complains its either: 1. complete nonsense since they dont even know what snapshots are and come up with total bs to cover up their bad keybinds and their kick on alt gr numpad 5 or 2. a whole spreadsheet about how fucked up the situation of the specc is since x periods of time and boy i can tell its mostly the second option because these players are so entitled about their specc and get fucking 0 recognition since end woltk and mid to end legion afaik

@migrimtan2693

2 ай бұрын

​@@Max-dv1kq I dunno man... I lost all of my nerves when it comes to this. Rarely do I comment on the state of my spec and this one was a first one in YEARS.. As soon as we get a bit more viable and competitive on a overall scale of things, boom. No can dooo champ. Feels utterly bad. And I agree on the first example you gave. Most people don't know even what snapshotting is and yet, they expect to perform well with the Cat. When I explain some of my guildies how that works (the ones that want to try Feral (as I'm the only one in the guild)), they immediately give up. Feels BAD.

Blizzard's response on DK makes me worried even more. We were asking for 2H Obliterate to be as competitive as Breath, some were asking to remove Breath and replace it with something doesn't require glue, we were also asking to make D&D an aura, since other plates can hit and run at no loss while we can only watch in despair as tank drags everyone out of our placement. But instead of applying or advancing these, Blizzard's response seems more on "less breath duration time = less glue" and "we WILL make Vile Contagion, that shitty complex AOEr requiring four CDs to start dealing damage so you never used it ever, necessary again" than anything we asked for. Plus the Rider of Random Apocalypse? Oh boy I'm dreadful.

@merix2741

2 ай бұрын

Bring back Legion Nighthold Breath! 🤓

@doziergames

2 ай бұрын

@@merix2741 you mean the one where you were fighting RP instead of the boss?

@anders12114

2 ай бұрын

Well luckily thare are stil time for change but that thay listing is another thing

@Jedi1993

2 ай бұрын

I agree, instead of them giving us this garbage they should be reworking both frost & unholy, allow unholy to duel wield the way frost does. I could go on but nobody listens.

Druid devs are clueless and making the specs miserable since BFA ended. And that was eons ago.

@djbedu

2 ай бұрын

This, this, this. And we are all writing and rewriting the same things on the forums. Endless posts about the bad class tree, and then they just doubled down on it with MULTIPLE dead-end talents. Endless posts about how core balance and guardian gameplay are meh and that just throwing more new talents on top of a broken system will not fix it. Endless posts about how feral just lacks (similar to survival and enhance). Endless posts about how we are losing the survivability and mobility arms race, esp. for our two dps specs (compared to other dps specs). Endless posts about how fun was detected so remove those talents for some ODD reason; examples: displacer beast, stellar drift, and NOW tireless pursuit... WHY!?

@chrismoore2720

2 ай бұрын

Yall need to quit whining. Play druid or don't period.

@river9118

2 ай бұрын

@@chrismoore2720 what braindead spec do you play?

@chrismoore2720

2 ай бұрын

@river9118 I play them all. Why whining about it. Instill offer idea to make it better for yourself since u the only one that okay them and who they should cater too lol smh stupid

@Michaelkayslay

2 ай бұрын

You still gonna play so just stop

Would love to see hunter talent tree in action

hearing about cataclysm and soulfire im glad that they're listening to the community for destro locks

@Kngkat

2 ай бұрын

Cata and rof in the same node sucks

@OnlyGhostType

2 ай бұрын

I miss embers

i like the general idea, just excited to see some of the details. several hero talent trees yet to be revealed too probably due to some of the pending spell changes.

WINDWALKER HYPE! !!!!

I think Bliz forgot they have a shaman class again.

@gothnate

2 ай бұрын

Yep. We've been giving suggestions on how to fix Shaman for a while now, and still no dev feedback. One can only hope their silence is just diligence in making Shaman a modern class, and not just ignoring them, though, it wouldn't surprise me if that's what ended up happening.

@CombatMedicOps123

2 ай бұрын

I hope not. While I don't main shaman. Elemental is one of my favorite. I also main marksman. Which hasn't been in the best spot either. So I get it.

I hope they will reduce the button bloat and make class rotations fun :) Affliction needs to be simplified in aoe :) Elemental shamans need a better concept to combine the elements rather than beeing either fire or lightning shaman. Their mastery is also kind of weird only working on builders (:

@fabiusque4266

2 ай бұрын

If you want less buttons, play GW2. I like having more than just a few buttons to press, its one of the reasons why I can never stick for long to classes like DH, which for me feel like they have no buttons at all to press.

@Kelari313

2 ай бұрын

​@@fabiusque4266 no worries, there will still be enough buttons for you to press if they remove one or two and combine them with other abilities.

@Gungrave123

2 ай бұрын

@@fabiusque4266 I will go even further, i want Retail WoW to become Plunderstorm.

@jorgiotoldo8636

2 ай бұрын

dont worry when wow will arrive on consoles you will have less buttons to press. tried it with a game controller what a nightmare . they will have to simplify it to play with a game controller. i use programming macros on my keyboard or mouse to already simplify the rotations. lots of players use the ingame macros too to just press one key that cast multiple spells.

@Rudbeckbitten

2 ай бұрын

​@@fabiusque4266why have alot of spells that feel useless, than a few that feel powerful? Like they reworked paladins and sp's in dragonflight. You dont need alot of useless stuff mate

Honestly, I would prefer not to wait for major damage abilities (or any damage ability) while playing feral. What makes me dangerous is the consistent application of bleeds and strikes. Waiting for those to become highlighted or available could negatively impact my experience.

As an arms player I want overpower animation changed to something else it looks so stupid using dual wield animation when you have only one 2h weapon

I’ve been wanting static flying for dracthyr ever since they came out. They have wings!! They should be able to use them!! Glad they finally listened

@signsofkelani anyway you could do an overview of hunter hero talents and do you know if the hunter class order mount will have dynamic flight?

Can they like... stop ruining Druid please 😂 especially Feral 'Oh we think your energy regen needs to be slower' why though?

As usual, wait til its released then try each class. Chances are if you play alot of classes your picks will change based on which ones have been destroyed or improved. I loved essence font, its apparently going lol. So thats one of my classes and specs that will soon never be the same. Exciting and yet not exciting.

@Gungrave123

2 ай бұрын

Essence font was the only spell that made MW playable. GG i guess.

@scruffynerfherder33

2 ай бұрын

I can't believe they are getting rid of essence font. I'm not a MW but healing along side them I know that is their top healing ability in raid. It's like, let's get rid of arms warriors mortal strike while we are at it. Or maybe a druids rejuvenation.

@Gungrave123

2 ай бұрын

@@scruffynerfherder33 i bet they would if they thought about it

cant wait to play my druid!

They gutted the warrior. Why? It was perfectly fine!

@Gungrave123

2 ай бұрын

They gutted it BECAUSE it was perfectly fine. Blizzard devs hate fun with a passion.

@user-kl9bi4jt4t

2 ай бұрын

I dont even know how we generate rage anymore.

@Beagleman85

2 ай бұрын

yep. were getting screwed again like usual. (sigh). I feel like were going back to how we were in SL

@Prawnsly

2 ай бұрын

@@user-kl9bi4jt4t By reading patch notes

Essence font was my favorite button on miatweaver

so i played SoD and it was fun. never played a melee hunter. was interested in seeing some survival hunter play in the War within. actually i cant find anyone streaming the hunter builds at all

Man if they're trying to make people excited for these changes I think they need to try again. Obviously subject to change.

Little worried about how much I might need to relearn on my mistweaver... and seems I should just hold off till the expansion to learn windwalker if they are going to change it that much.

So excited I maybe able to play Arcane again.

I actually used to love Feral back when it was slow and tactical. Maintaining your dots was such a massive priority that it made wasting energy feel very punishing and so you ended up with a slow but methodic playstyle that rewards patience and preparation. I don't feel every class needs to be fast and spammy. Having a variety of playstyles and speeds (apm) really makes the game more interesting because classes then have a much more defined identity with regards to how they feel to play.

Whenever they play with Feral dps talents it’s always concerning, let’s see what happens I really hope I don’t need to main something else. I love feral!

Oh so we are getting back to Arms that needs to wait for Rage to come up? Not sure I like it

i hope for hunter love

Orbital Strike needs LOVE!! It is a fantastic talent and would help with constant damage! A 1-point talent. A 15% damage reduction and a 90 second cool down.

Oh, I love the new Druid Talent tree, except the Wild Charge position, oof!

MONK HYPE

hey kelani just letting you know that my dad told me last night that you're the only wowtuber he watches x)

Fury bladestorm back!

As a feral main im not sure I'm happy with downtime feral Is naturally quick on the bat slowing it down means some what less dps

@daniiltolmachev4630

2 ай бұрын

How long have you been maining feral?

@jarnom85

2 ай бұрын

If they slow it down they need increase Rip and Rake damage on single targets, but then Rip might become too good trough Primal Wrath on cleave/aoe. Slowing it down for shure reduces our Combo Point generation and through that our DPS.

DEMO warlock hype

as someone who use to play rogue and feral, more downtime just feels bad.

Seems like they're trying to reduce apm overall.

@OrchinX

2 ай бұрын

God I hope so

@getreidetony4485

2 ай бұрын

@@OrchinX bad take

@mufasafalldown8401

2 ай бұрын

​@@getreidetony4485not really. It gets pretty old playing piano nonstop. More chill would be nice.

Being a class that can't heal at all, other than a long cool down potion, I'd like to see the mages with a lot more power. All the classes that can heal, can do a ton more dps and survive a lot better. Glass cannon? Heck no, glass cruise missle

What armor is on the front

resto druid is fine the way it is now, leave it TF alone!

@jvhuggard

2 ай бұрын

Let us keep adaptive swarm. Signed; a necrolord resto

Button bloat sucks. They need to remove about half of all skills and tune the ones that are left.

@user-kl9bi4jt4t

2 ай бұрын

Play a simpler class and take simpler talents, then. Dont punish people who enjoy complexity. The game is 20 years old. I've earned my skilled and I like them all.

@getreidetony4485

2 ай бұрын

That i can fall asleep while playing?

@YT-sp3ud

2 ай бұрын

No you’re just lazy.

@Rudbeckbitten

2 ай бұрын

​@@user-kl9bi4jt4t complexity? Its not about that lol. Its about having too many spells that makes it annoyning to play. Alot of big streamers agree on, retail is too bloated.

@user-kl9bi4jt4t

2 ай бұрын

@@Rudbeckbitten Then. Take. Fewer. Abilities. Dont penalize me and the way I play because you can't handle "too many spells."

Rest in peace Light of the Martyr...

Survival hunter needs some love and affection.

@danielsmith2483

2 ай бұрын

One of best melee in the game lol it's jst not noob friendly is all

@garretnordlund1979

2 ай бұрын

​@@danielsmith2483lol no it isn't. It's not even top 10 melee classes

@danielsmith2483

2 ай бұрын

@@garretnordlund1979 survival is A tier easily it's just hard to play

So going by the "melee range being standardized" guessing Ret is losing their long range melee. That's too bad was pretty fun.

rip warrior again

@TheOnlyGhxst

2 ай бұрын

Every time people say that I usually end up dominating DPS meters with Fury. So I'm looking forward to the changes :P

@doziergames

2 ай бұрын

@@TheOnlyGhxst actually true

the monk class tree looks so much worse in my opinion, you need to take transendance to access like half of the talents i think either transcendance should be moved somewhere else or there should be more connections to other talents so you can still take some talents in the middle without wasting a point on a useless ability

@MrJeremydb91

2 ай бұрын

Man disagree, I think it looks amazing!

@jleyyi

2 ай бұрын

@loveyourself3246 no, ive never used that ability in my entire life and even if you like the ability, the fact that this single talent is what locks half of the talent tree is still not good in my opinion, you should be way more flexible in chosing your path through the tree

Here we go, making feral feel energy starved. Why do they always screw up the only classes I like. Every. Single. Time.

If drakthyr could be other classes, I would race change all 15 of my alts immediately. But I just have no fun playing evoker and augment

I love the elemental ancestor Idea for shamans, but the capstone talent is absolutely horrendous. Going to need some work on that tree.

Bruh I just started feeling comfortable with my Druid 🤦🏻‍♂️ fs

What about guardian druid ?

Ugh I was finally happy with my druid, I really don’t know how I feel about that. Weren’t their new trees supposed to be evergreen and made to be expanded? Why are they changing/removing talents?!

@sarahparrish7206

2 ай бұрын

On the fence about feral druid changes as well, but don’t they tune/change classes every expansion? I think the talent trees will eventually be expanded on, but for better or for worse they seem to be making tweaks to all classes likely based on how they played during DF. Pres evoker for example is getting one of their tier bonuses baked into the talent tree.

Enhance! Make it good please...

unless they remove the ability bloat and 500 buttons to press for rotations i dont think anything will help.

@Edwilliams91

2 ай бұрын

Yes 100% … they need to go into each classes spells book and be like okay take HALF of these spells out. Don’t care, figure it out. :)

@MrCarlWax

2 ай бұрын

skill issue

@no-budhee6657

2 ай бұрын

Maybe call of duty is more your thing…

When are shaman going to get their damn hero talents?! Nothing mentioned about changes or their new talents. Makes me worried for enhance future

What about Shaman!!! 😢😢😢

as an unholy Dk I cant wait to have to drop down a floor aoe so my attacks can do area damage

Feral having downtime? We havent had downtime since ages lol. I like it

If they don't start making marksman a marksman again, I'm gonna go nuts

they screwing up holy priest, perverted into being basically into being a buff bot moonkin, instead of a reactive pure healer that its supposed to be. They still havent fixed the slow cooldowns either (cd’s are too long and need either cd’s reduced or boost haste impact so it speeds up gcd). they have so much reliant on holy in mythics but dont build them able to handle them, forcing holy to have to over gear mythic before they can do it, rather than running it to improve gear which is effing backwards. Frustrating when all your buddies classes can advance in mythic and you cant until they or you eventually outgear lower keys to finally advance the holy priest.. and this is from a holy priest that is very well played too.. this is not skill, they mostly fixed holy damage dealing, but not mythic healing yet and turning them into rogue/moonkin buff buts in war within just pisses me off big time

i guess shaman is the least loved class by the devs....

Personally I like slowing down classes a little bit so each ability feels a little more impactful. Sometimes trying to focus on the procs going off and maintaining buffs is overwhelming while also dodging or interacting with encounter mechanics

No hunter rework.

Let me guess, all these removed talents are just being renamed hero talents.

Stupid blizzard, all classes simplified... like they haven't gotten this path in the past...

Feral Druid dev's are clueless. We dont want any more downtime as it feels at least for me booringly slow as it is even though Feral in Dragonflight is otherwise at very enjoyable spot, it's no longer automatic bench on Mythic Raids. Feel like they want make Feral worse and make its player count zero in TWW.

Hunter remains on permanent ignore.

I wish they didn't complicate stuff too much, we already have too many spell modifications and too many spells all in all. It's a too big a mess.

why showing paladin footage when talking about evokers and monks??? Come on Kelani...

They really hate mages. They really need a whole new system

Feral druid gonna be F tier. An auto attack class with low dmg. So sad to see its going back to classics style. Looks like another expansion my main gets laughed at.

Im starting to get PTSD flashbacks from.last several expansions shamans not getting any work and we end up garbage untested and minimally viable while mages get reviewed and updates constantly. Farseer is hot garbage for elemental and meh for resto.

Hopefully Vengeance gets nerfed. The spec warps the M+ meta so badly.

Feral is miserable to play as is, you wait on energy way too much and they want to nerf energy regen??

thats what i hate in wow every expansion spell are changed rework but class get never balanced ...

The only keep making it worse its fucking wild I gave up on wow I went over to private server

They have to rename slayer to something cooler bruh, its so lame

crazy how everyone in the comments cry for their class

Still NOT liking the new talet trees. specially the prot pala one seems utterly trash for aoe tanking.

hopefully i cans witch to warr in war with in and get invited in m+ :D I'm sick of pala

Those Druid changes are garbage. Especially the Feral Druid ones.

Monks get double jump? Then Druids and Evokers should too.

WoW is still relevant?

@Nutvillager

Ай бұрын

Lemme guess. Yo7 play honkai

content 10/10 visual 0/10

First

Hear me out.... I want a DK rework

All i hear is garbage changes intended to make the specs weaker and less fun to play. Classic Blizzard.

Bunch of seasoned video game class design specialists in the comments today.

Class changes these days are just a blur. It's all dumbed down and levelled out to be even more boring than they already were. It's no wonder why 'classic warcraft' exists.

Windwalker's mastery sucks ass. Combo strikes needs to die.

We need war within now..dragonflight sucks lets just move on from it

ummm, is that horse galloping through the air like its jumping from stone to stone or something at the beginning?? because that looked pretty awesome and would be pretty awesome to see more variety in how things fly. and maybe someday theyll add a flying shoe you sit in like mario in kuribos shoe but it flies instead of just hopping. make it a leatherworking or tailoring made mount. also let bm hunters ride any of their pets. we play bm hunters because we love the pets! let us love them even more!