20 year old JD 566 with over 20,000 bales on it, still running strong so far.

There's a guy I follow, Attitude Adjuster, from Down Under, that HAD a brand new Massey tractor. He was posting almost daily all the problems he was having. He claimed both Massey and the dealer were Dicking him around to the point that there was no communication anymore. After posting so many negative comments, Massey bought the tractor back. He erased all the negative reviews. Also he bought a Deere for replacement.

@troyadamswaymarfarm5224

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Les, I remember that guy, talk about a white elephant. That MF he purchased through his local Agco dealer, had so many problems it wasn't funny... I never followed up on his story, glad to hear he had a good outcome. Pretty sure he won't be disappointed with the JD..

Hate whats happening with agco. Even more upset it was you. I dont blame you for trading out of a issue. I truly feel vermeer, deere and krone has the durability and most importantly the service. Many blessings to you and your operation!!

I'm a Massey guy. I do custom baling with Massey tractors and large square balers. But the massey round baler is not built heavy enough. Tried lots of different colors. Ended up with a vermeer corn stalk special. Not perfect but definitely the best one so far. Claas was the worst by miles. Still mad about it 5 years later. New Holland designed well, but built too light. Next one will either be vermeer or I would like to try krone. Too bad you didn't get good results from your dealer. Our Agco dealer is really good.

@toyotahilux2

8 күн бұрын

The massey/fendt balers from lely/welger buy out are a different kettle of fish to that MF baler!! See many for sale with 60,000 bales on the clock

I have a JD566 with 20k bales and it’s still kicking out bales. Thought about a Massy but thanks to your video I’ll be going with another JD. Appreciate ya!

To bad to hear we have the same baler, love it havent had any of your problem but have had different issiues, but dealer support is important and warranty on hay equipement is a joke

One thing is for sure, we will know exactly what you think of your next baler. Thanks for the honest reviews on your equipment look forward to your next video.

Thanks for the review of MF 2956A. A Lot of problems for someone in the business of customer work. The!!engineers never do reliability/repair of their product. Really sad!!!

From now on don't talk to service managers over the phone only by text that way you can take them to court when they say you never told me that. Good luck with whatever you get!

Sounds to me like your issue was the dealer support. I run 2 of those machines and my neighbors run 3. We have had some of the same issues but so what, every machine does. I just replaced my first gearbox at 12,000 bales. The housing was getting eroded from driveline vibration, and the aluminum housing will self clearance. The cost of the gearbox was $500. I wasnt too upset. Granite a cast gearbox would of helped last longer. I really really like the monitors. The diagnostic part helps find and resolve an issue quick. I have replaced a few sensors but they are inexpensive as well and easy to change.

Seems like a lot of the problems are Dealer/Service related. Had your Dealer stood tall with you, things might have been way different. Good Luck with the J-D, there are a lot of them out there!

Thanks for info. Mr Will.

Sorry to hear about your trouble with the baler

I role up a lot down in south Texas run 568 mwp. And have had good luck with um threw the years

Hello from Down Under..🇦🇺 When you want a tractor you go to a tractor manufacturer, same goes for haying equipments... we use Krone for all our haying equipment and l have to say we have not been disappointed too many times... Obviously all equipments have issues, Krone for us has been reliable and dependable..

i understand your frustrations. if i was doing custom work like yourself i would probably buy new stuff too. time is money in that game. where all we do is put up our own hay, the price of a new baler will keep us in parts for many years. thats why we tend to use older equipment. good luck with your new deere. to my understanding they're basically a 569 with different side doors and a plastic net box. i wish deere would come up with something different, same old thing with a different number on it! take care

@notelling8240

5 жыл бұрын

Why change what works? Their not in the shop all the time. Their out baling hay. Especially for owners that have sorry maintenance programs to none and can't even take the time to blow a baler off between fields or before it's looked at for a trade. No reason for Deere to change a design that is working excellent, unlike AGCO unreliable junk. These balers are sitting all over North America dealer lots. 2016 models brand spanking new with not one bale ran through them. Show me a Deere like that. You will not find one.

@johnowen6507

5 жыл бұрын

My dealer had several new 569s that took 3 years to get rid of.

@notelling8240

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnowen6507 ... that wasn't from lack of reliability they didn't sell. Unlike Massey's. Your dealer could just be a dick to barter with.

@johnowen6507

5 жыл бұрын

Really got a bone to pick don’t you? Reason they didn’t sell is because just down the road a Vermeer dealer is selling a better machine for less money. That’s why Deere needs to change designs.

We have a MF 2846 before the A series and it’s terrible we have lots of relay electrical issues, net wrap issues and now the universal is going out. And the top roller bearing just went out. Around 4600 bales on it.

a few lessons I learned from dealing with Livingston Machinery, When Livingston Machinery says something has been through their shop, they apparently mean the doors were open on both ends of the shop and your machine went right through the shop without stopping, Livingston's claims to offer 24/7 service during hay season, I guess that expires the day after you buy a baler from them, I ordered a moisture tester from them went to pick it up they said it was sold? I started raising Cain one of the guys said someone else had a brand new tester that didn't work he brought it in and picked up a new one? then someone claimed he found the one I ordered I took it home and guess what My tester didn't work, jaws dropped in the crowded lobby when I very loudly explained the fast one they pulled on me with the moisture tester.

@sowerscattleco3484

8 ай бұрын

Yeah I've had some interesting experiences there that's for sure.

Sorry to hear about the baler trouble. We have an old Vermeer we've put 12,000 on and ZERO bearing or other problems. Of course, we're a smaller operation than you and our Vermeer is a much simpler machine. That being said, I don't think the new Vermeer's are as good as the older ones. (We have a 505 Super I we bought new many, many moons ago.)

Wish I’d seen this before. I just traded mine for a new one just like it. Mine had 11,000 on it. I’d had two roller bearings and the bolts on the net wrap broke off a couple times. Overall pretty small problems. I hope my new one is like the one I had and not Like yours. I have learned a trick about starting a new roll of net....you’ve got to give it lots of slack after you stuff the knot down front. I’m hoping to keep mine traded by about 10,000 or less. Time will tell.

Good review. Thanks for being honest

Seems like u got alot of the same problems we had with our I hate to say it but we went back to Vermeer because of all the problems and the dealer helped alot but they never got it fixed to where it was when we first got it

This is my kind of baler, not worth shit used that’s when I buy them, 3400 bales before major issues man take me 20 years to put 3400 bales through a baler. That thing looks like a Cadillac compared to what I have haha too bad about the dealer. Sounds like they really screwed you on that gearbox.

I put 15000 on my Vermeer 605n cornstalk special in two years, all I had go wrong was weigh bar in one axle and one bearing go bad. Plus they have a 2 year warranty. When the warranty is up I flip them not sure how long one will go after that.

@J-1410

4 жыл бұрын

If a F, J, L, and M(all supers) are anything to go by, we've put 40k on ones like yours(pretty new but used). 2 or 3 bearings, maybe a hose, we trade when the walls begin to get thin.

We tried them all back to Deere is what we found out works the best!!!

When the slip clutch is past the gear box isnt a very good design. I have run both Heston and Deere and deere is way better designed. I agree with you on some things but I find the deere pickup better. I use a JD 567 with over 18000 on it and still running strong.

Sorry to say if you’re worried about bearings you’re not going to like John Deere either. We have 3,000 bales on our 560m and it’s the same issues. I liked the look of the Massey how simple it looks but your review kinda spoiled that. Looks like Vermeer it is! Helps we have a Vermeer dealer right in town.

It’s sad to see was Agco doing to hesston. I won’t run the swather or big balers any more. We switched to krone balers about 5 years ago and w260 swathers

@sowerscattleco3484

5 жыл бұрын

im looking at deere swathers too, but thats a hard one to swallow

Nothing against Deere but people around here that bleed green all went to New Holland balers! We had 7060 silage special for 4 years n had a little over 12,000 bales on it without any issues we traded it in for new 450 roll belt silage special with crop cutter because we wanted the drop out floor n the crop cutter. 2250 bales so far this year n not one issue and you can’t make a big enough windrow that this thing won’t eat at 6-10 miles n hr! 👍🏻 to bad about the Heston baler I looked at the before n was seriously considering one but glad I didn’t!

I love my new Holland very consistent

have you done anything to fix the pan bending issue? been having hell like every 30 bales with our 2856a bending the pan. tried replacing and bending it back but no cigar. i hear rumor of an update to keep the belts spinning as the gate opens and shuts?

When all you want to do is work it sucks to not have things get repaired.

Have you looked at a mchale, they appear to be really well built and our mchale wrapper has been one of the best machines you could ask for

I looked at a new 560m yesterday while I was waiting, basically same design they've been using for 20 to 30 years now just with bigger chains. The John Deere pickup is a little more complex, but is proven. Even though I hate the square style teeth they use. I have such an issue with them breaking off. This year the 567 John Deere we have that was purchased new in 2001 has turned over 32000 bales. I just put in its first set of new belts, I have replaced most of the bearings, some of them twice. the gearbox is original but I am on my second PTO shaft. The chamber walls are getting thin, and we are at the point now of do we run it until it completely dies? Or sell it on a decent a year for 7,000? And upgrade to another Vermeer or deere. Not sure at this point which one I would buy. I like them both, and both have their issues. Getting parts for Heston or Massey in this area has become a nightmare. A wise move on your part you should be very satisfied going forward

@kronefarmservices

Жыл бұрын

Net wrap brake system is different and they are very problematic if not adjusted properly

What brand net wrap are you using?

Looks like it’s about time to make a trip to the barber shop there, Will. Sorry to hear that things haven’t been great with your Massey baler. A baler in general is a damn money pit. It’s a wonder any of them work at all

@zimmermanservice7474

5 жыл бұрын

A round baler is the fastest depreciating piece of equipment there is.

love the honesty Will

Those new Deere balers seem to be good so far. Sorry this one didn't work out!

Dealer support around here is crap too

We run 3 JD balers because of the dealer support alone. Three dealers within 2 hours. Parts are easy to source and service is close. Down time is the biggest loss of money in the custom business.

Good Video Son! I was thinking about buying one last year but I rebuilt my 567 mega wide John Deere and I will stay away from Massey Ferguson. Looks like piss poor engineering on there behalf.

I’d pull the rest of that bet out to lol What brand is that net of do you like it?

I own a 2946a. I think we bought them at the same time. Times have changed at LMC on service issues. You have some of the same issues I did. Especially the Bering behind the clutch. I had major starting a bale issues with mine. They put a more aggressive starter roller and a soft core kit on and it helped a lot. Never cared for my roller windguard. Never had much net issues as you but there are times when it’s frustrating. All in all I like my Baler now but if and when I trade it off, it will be for a deere 460M. I need to make a review of mine.

We ran a Hesston for years traded it when bearings started to go at 25000 bales I guess new and improved Lol.

@diamonddog257

4 жыл бұрын

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Thats terrible. Just traded 468 deere with 11000 bales in on 469. They gave me $18000 trade in at $38000 for new 469 silage special. Iv never put a bearing in a deere with less than 9000 bales. Im sure new holland and vermeer are great too. But i do not have any complaints with the deere.

I got a 457 silge speciel 05 at 1100 bales change belts 2 barings this year I had a baring going bad so I change both on that roll I am at 1900 bales I am doing custom baling my bread an butter in the summer I really like mine had it paid off in 5 yrs all custom work

Did you have issues with the hay wrapping around the starting roller when starting a new bale? I have a 2746A (two generations older), and it has always tended to do this. It's the old style starter with the rubber flaps (believe yours are steel bars), and new flaps help quite a bit, but it'll still do it from time to time. Mine will also clog when the hay isn't all that heavy. I've had to open the tailgate and dump an unwrapped bale because it will either slip the clutch or kill the tractor when clogged, just to find after dumping the bale that the "clog" was a little wad of hay that I could pull out by hand. I also have issues with the netwrap getting sucked on to the bottom rear roller of the tailgate, quite frequently. It's frustrating, because like you say, it makes a better bale and has a better general design than any of the other American balers. I have never been impressed with Deere's design and will probably never have one because resale is too high for someone like me. It's too bad that you don't have a Vermeer dealer, because I am impressed with their new design. If I trade anytime soon (unlikely), I want to consider a Vermeer N series. It is sad, though, because I remember my old Hesston 846A, and I would have challenged anyone with that baler. It kicked butt. I hoped to get the same toughness out of my 2746A, but it just gets finicky with hay.

Damn my friend. I would like to feel bad for you, but a new JD isn't a bad thing. They are great balers bud. You will love it. Take Care

Sorry to hear that Buddy wish their customer service was a lot better and could at least work with you to make it better!!

Hate to see that happen. But it seems to be that the deere and new holland equipment is what holds its value. I have a 664 NH myself with about 15,400 bales on it. That bearing behind the clutch on yours I just changed on mine but only because the shaft broke off and I was in there to it. It would have run quite a while yet. This winter I need to change bearings in all the tailgate rolls, at some point put in new belts and chains, and probably cam bearings in the pickup and it will run 15,000 more. I disagree on updating the monitor just because. NH went to a touch screen on the 560, 460 etc. and my dealer sells more with the downgrade older style monitor because it causes less problems. Agco has pretty much abandoned our area, the dealer in our town closed up when the owner retired. Rumor was the multi store dealer 60ish miles north wanted to buy him out and Agco said not unless you build a new building. The market share here is low enough it wasn't worth it to them. So now it's a 2+ hour drive to an Agco dealer and there's probably 8 deere stores and 9 caseih stores inside that span. I think Agco also lets their dealers down on the support end. I can get JD, NH, or CIH parts next day in most cases. If I order anything from an Agco dealer its 3 days if I'm lucky, and their parts depot is closer than the others.

@timknoll8654

5 жыл бұрын

Dale Cornelius You're cih dealer should be able to get u agco parts

@dalecornelius4374

5 жыл бұрын

I dont own much I have to go to Agco for parts for. One local CIH dealer used to have an Agco contract but gave it up years ago and wants nothing to do with that stuff. I found a dealer that actually stocks parts for the white planters and tye drills of which I have a 5100 and a 2015 drill. It's a 4-5 hour round trip but they also ups ship and the service is great. The outside looks like a salvage yard but they carry more parts than my local Deere store in their million dollar building.

We have 30k, 22k, and 12.5k on Deere balers, never touched the pickup in any of them, change the cam bearings ever other year, there is nothing wrong with a Deere baler, be nice to see you make a positive video, why buy a Deere, you’re already complaining about it, you talk how superior that Massey is but then complain about it, you either have horrible luck or just like to complain

@sowerscattleco3484

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching lol

Thats dissapointing to see. Just a quick look and it seems like our older 2656 is built heavier. We arent custom baling thousands of acres but it never skipped a beat. Even in light wheat straw you'd never need the short straw kit.

I got 2956a baler and it's junk compared to the 2756a I have It builds up hay in the front roller area to the point it gets so packed after 20 bales it burns your hands when you try to clean it out. 2756a does not do this cause it's better design with the reink roller as it keeps it clean

Get leaf blower to blow the dust off your equipment. If you got a John deere you better keep a bottle of baby powder for the net.

@garritt8772

5 жыл бұрын

We run a claas and there's very little place for material to build up and where it does is away from moving parts. We had a 467 deere and yes that thing needed powder to make net work good but claas you just throw the roll of net in and go!

@horselakeranch

5 жыл бұрын

@@garritt8772 unfortunately there's no claas dealer for balers around me. I ended up getting a vermeer

@zimmermanservice7474

5 жыл бұрын

@@garritt8772 I do custom baling and have tried many different round balers. Claas was the worst piece of !??!?@& that was ever built. I'm not a deere guy but would definitely buy one of those before a claas. Have tried massey as well. Currently running vermeer corn stalk special. Not perfect but best one I've had yet.

@zimmermanservice7474

5 жыл бұрын

@@horselakeranch good! Claas is junk!

@garritt8772

5 жыл бұрын

@@zimmermanservice7474 I had a deere before the claas and would never buy another one. It had a little over 6000 bales on it when I traded it two roller bearings went out, one side bale shape sensor didn't work right from new and was replaced and adjusted several times and still didn't work! It also didn't like dry grass hay would literally make powder out of it. I was not sorry to see that baler leave!

What brand are you replacing it with

But it’s still the best baler on the market? How?

They just don't make me like they used too

Now you know! Sadly

Krone and Vermeer, only balers to use.

Is a krone or veenear a better baler a better

@J-1410

4 жыл бұрын

Vermeer? In the US I'd say Vermeer, mostly because krone dealers seem far away from each other, all I've seen of them is demos and at shows.(Northern Plains) My Vermeer dealer can't keep new or used Vermeers on hand, we've put 35000+ bales on 5 different models each and never had any problems except for maybe 3 bearings each. Traded it because the walls begin to get thin after 35k. Heavy duty, Overbuilt, over designed balers, take a look at how heavy everything is on one sometime. Look at how big the bearings are, the metal, all overbuilt. Pretty good resale at 35-40k too, the people who bought my old ones say they put another 10k easily without issue.

Have you thought about trying a krone.

yep she is sure not a Krone

Have you ever considered a Vermeer?

@ismaelmarquez8770

6 ай бұрын

Do you run Vermeer? How do they perform?

Been runnin Deeres for 15yrs been very reliable doin custom work corn stalks straw grass n alfalfa always like to see a crew try out new colors only to end up with a green one cause of reliability issues n parts availability problems . ps don't always like the price of green paint but the other colors are not much different when you look at the extra time n money it costs to be broke down and didn't drink the green koolaid either run white tractors lol

If you can find a dealer anywhere reasonably close I would suggest looking at a Claas round baler next time you upgrade / trade. I currently run a NH have looked at them all and Claas is what we'll be going with next go round.

@zimmermanservice7474

5 жыл бұрын

RUN!!! I have had experiences with a new claas baler that would make this experience with the massey look like the best money ever spent!! Never! Even consider a claas round baler!

@hiltonfamilyfarm2650

5 жыл бұрын

@@zimmermanservice7474What did you have go wrong with a Claas?

@zimmermanservice7474

5 жыл бұрын

@@hiltonfamilyfarm2650 how much time do you have? I could write a 10 page letter. It left at 1.5 years old and 4000 bales at scrap metal price. And the payments were set up for 5 years. It still gets my blood pressure up years later. Never ever again. And claas didn't give a @#!!

@zimmermanservice7474

5 жыл бұрын

@@hiltonfamilyfarm2650 it would be a shorter list to ask what worked. Broken chains, bad bearings, bad sensors, trash belts, bad hydraulic cylinders, broken springs, net wrap never worked ever! Metal shavings coming off the side walls so bad the magnet sensors picked up the shavings and malfunctioned... bent rotors, And on and on and on, The vermeer corn stalk special has operated in the same conditions for 7k bales now with only minor problems...

Why I like the 500r head the w260 cab much better than the mf. Demo one you will like

@sowerscattleco3484

4 жыл бұрын

A friend of mine have been talking about them, we both still run mf but keep finding more and more issues

Kubota makes a nice baler.

Get a Vermeer baler

There are only 2 brands in the market that are worth buing, and thats a new Krone ore a used Krone.

@mrbill4187

5 жыл бұрын

What's the other brand?

@samwaterlander8120

5 жыл бұрын

if only they made 5 foot balers

@J-1410

4 жыл бұрын

@@mrbill4187 Vermeer

NEW HOLLAND

Get a new Holland

@garritt8772

5 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't run a NH if someone paid me to run it their a joke they use old technology and have problems starting bales. They're built light compared to other machines on the market!

@karsniafarms

5 жыл бұрын

@@garritt8772 well are new Holland baler has over 30,000 bales and we never changed nothing on it original chains and belts

@garritt8772

5 жыл бұрын

@@karsniafarms I've heard of several people having trouble with them starting bales in light dry crops. I was actually looking at a NH but didn't like the stuffer feeding system they offered if you didn't rotary cutter. If you never ran a baler with rotary feed you don't know what you're missing. Plus now that I have the claas I found out the chamber is very so fine grass and leaves are saved much better. New Holland's baler line up always seemed to clustered to me to many balers to choose from. For instance like silage special or high moisture to me that's the same baler. Where claas for instance sets every baler with all the roll scrapers and stuff to bale wet hay so they will bale anything!

@zimmermanservice7474

5 жыл бұрын

@@garritt8772 no they will not!! Do not put corn fodder in your claas. I made one nothing but a pile of worthless scrap metal in 4k bales of fodder. Worst piece of junk ever built.