Hope you all liked this video guys and also sorry for saying Species so much. Have a drink on me for each one you heard!

@mattyspoons777

2 жыл бұрын

Suddenly drunk!

@strawhatboy

2 жыл бұрын

As much as I love your videos. I kinda love my liver a bit more.

@GodWorksOut

2 жыл бұрын

I took your advice and I’m writing this comment from the afterlife.

@magicpyroninja

Жыл бұрын

To say the croghans were going to go extinct because of the genofage is not being completely honest. More than made it explicitly clear that the Jenna fage wasn't a sterility virus it was a population control virus which meant that it would change itself to allow for more or less births depending on their population rate krogan's were killing themselves off culturally

I like it when Wrex says 'Shepuurd' Makes the entire trilogy a replay.

@TheGreatThicc

Ай бұрын

I was caught completely off guard by the gag Wrex and Grunt do about that in 3

Fun fact: there is no such recorded instance where a Krogan has died of old age. Despite Mass Effect Andromeda characters calling Drack an old man for being 1400 Earth years old, he's not even the oldest Krogan we've met. Warlord Okere taught Grunt about the Rachni and told him they are a worthy foe. The only time a Krogan ever respects another opponent is if they have fought them first hand or seen them in action. It's possible Warlord Okere was alive and fought in the Rachni wars which would have made him close to 2100 Earth years old before he died.

@beebob2877

Жыл бұрын

That’s so cool

@HalTheBot

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if Krogan _can't_ die of old age

@gibster9624

Жыл бұрын

@@HalTheBot Right. Between their organ redundancy, their ability to store massive amounts of nutrients, and really slow metabolism plus sci-fi space magic they probably could live for a crazy amount of time.

@rory2698

Жыл бұрын

That's not surprising considering how the Krogans evolved. I wonder if they have functional immortality like elves? Where their cells stop breaking down after a given age? Of course the Krogans could also just have a ridiculously long lifespan.

@EL-ISS

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of Lobsters lol. The only reason they die is predators or sicknesses (parasites).

You quote warlords but you are The offspring of a syringe, that line makes me chuckle every time .

When you want to win a battle, you ring the Krogan. When you want to win a war, you ring the Turians.

As much as I love the Krogan and Wrex, I can't help but think the Genophage was the right call. It is an awful, unethical solution to an awful and unethical problem. Without Wrex, the Krogan will immediately go on a revenge crusade against the galaxy.

@redrave404

9 ай бұрын

The problem is we're given two extreme solutions. The genophage results in 1/1000 live young, this results in a shrinking population for the Krogan and eventual extinction, while the natural 1000 young per female is clearly unsustainable and would result in war, followed by famine and extinction on a galactic scale. Tweeking the genophage so Krogan females have more offspring than the 1/1000, but not the full 1000 would make the most sense.

@captainhybrid4045

7 ай бұрын

If, as I mostly do, Wrex is leader in ME2 I go with the cure in ME3. If he's not, then I don't. Though the "extra" Salarian aid in ME3 at the loss of Wrex is no way worth it.

@IrishWarrior00

4 ай бұрын

@@redrave404 Its only shrinking cuz the Krogan keep killing each other or dying in combat. 1 viable birth a year is equivalent to humans, if not better and we are not at risk of dying.

@redrave404

4 ай бұрын

@@IrishWarrior00 Krogan aren't human. It's a problem in most sci-fi with aliens, people want to identify with the alien characters, so the authors/creators treat them as merely strange looking humans with superpowers. But Krogan aren't human, they evolved on a planet with different evolutionary pressures. A world where aggression and violence were far more necessary than earth, and therefore intrinsic to natural Krogan behavior. The Krogan will always have a higher death-rate than other species, and the Salarians should have taken that into account if they were sincere in "helping" the Krogan by bringing their fertility rates in align with other species.

@DreamersOfReality

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, *no*. In that case, just do the kindness of a bioweapon that sterilizes them outright, or is just fatal. The genophage IS a slow extinction. It makes life hell for mothers, many of whom commit suicide, and it killed the spirit of the species. Truth is, the Krogan were never given a chance. They were living in a post-apocalyptic world, with all the hard cruelty that breeds; and then uplifted for the sole purpose of waging a genocidal war. No wonder they turned out the way they did! The Council reinforced all their worst qualities! How the Krogans turned out cannot be blamed on their nature, but the choices enforced on them.

For as smart as the salarians are i always wonder if they could genetically change the krogen to be less aggressive

@ThrawnFett123

2 жыл бұрын

Mordin, yes, simple genotypical change. Prefer peace, yes, may work as increased fertility spreads throughout species. No. No... high rates of aggressive males will make dominance challenges unfavorable. And the females... uhhhhhhh... cultural impact unfavorable. Re-emergence of undesirable traits a certainty. Krogan generations... too short... for lasting genetic change by foreign introduction. Final conclusion

@randomrandomnesss2188

Жыл бұрын

@@seikoshinohara3084 I’m Urdnot Rex and I approve this message.

@gregoryrose13

Жыл бұрын

Infecting the population with a genetic plague is a lot different then genetically engineering the behavior of an entire species it would take generations of gene therapy willing or unwilling and even then by the time you're done they wouldn't be krogan anymore wouldn't be any different than what the reapers did to the protheans turning them into the collectors

@P.G13

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@randomrandomnesss2188 Wrex*

@X7rocks

Жыл бұрын

Krogan are smart. But with their aggression being lowered they may see it as barbaric but still have the choice to become mercenaries and soldiers and what not.

Your doing amazing job representing mass effect lore, can't wait entill quarian lore

@WiseFish

2 жыл бұрын

Quarians are really awesome honestly

@MikeBison_

2 жыл бұрын

God yes, I’m waiting eagerly for that video

@bonkology4165

2 жыл бұрын

Please

@pelinalwhitestrake4196

7 ай бұрын

​@@WiseFishStill waitin

Shepard! Easily one of my favourite fictional species, they’re so cool with such a tragic story. I know I sound like a broken record at this point but great job as ever WiseFish

Just cured the genophage in mass effect 3, so nice timing

Krogan Guard: "Check out the quad on that human" Grunt: "That is Battle Master Sheppard, his pair is indeed impressive" Garrus: "That's right..., humans only have two testicles." Krogan Guard: "But.. how?" Wrex: "Sheppard's pair beats your four of a kind...." Liara: *blushes*

@uncle8658

2 жыл бұрын

What the fuck did I just read

@OfficalHamtaro

Жыл бұрын

@@uncle8658 apparently something about Shepards Testicles

@angelc4919

Жыл бұрын

tali*

@IIIEMMANUELIII

Жыл бұрын

@@angelc4919 Tali is a sickly pleb

@lavellelee5734

Жыл бұрын

😂😂

Great video. I either had never read about the Krogan pirate character before or had forgotten it but that sounds both badass and scary AF.

I work as a video editor so a lot of times i need to listen to something to keep my mind occupied while doing the boring stuff. I've now listened to everything you have posted and can't wait for more content! Thankyou WiseFish! :D

Listening to this one on the bus to work. Thanks mate!!

One tiny nitpick, according to the Rachni queen in the first game the queens were controlled by a "sour yellow tone/note"

16:29 that armor setup is awesome.

I really like this videos: greatly researched and so nicely edited. Shame you did not continue with videos.

My favorite species. Ahhhh a grand video indeed.

Your lore vids are some of the best man.

You do a great job with your videos! I've been watching your channel a lot recently..

Bro please keep continue doing these videos 💪🔥

Yssss, mass effect lore! Thank you sir.

this is very fun to watch left a like love seeing what you did differently from me in your playthrough

Great video as always fish! You got any plans to do a video of the Batarian Skylian Blitz?

A really interesting and tragic story about the ole Krogan. If they hadn't been so over-zealous in war maybe the genophage would never have happened but then would there have been a bargaining chip to get them to help out in the war against the Reapers? Great lore vid, as usual! Well played.

@angelamurao8273

Жыл бұрын

A good fight

That was AWESOME excellent work respect dude. Would love to see THE KLINGONS THE KROGAN and THE SONTARANS fight.

Great video

Good video!

Now I believe the krogan under leadership of like wrex and bakara can thrive, and therefore I think that curing the genophage is the right thing, but back then its extreme but necessary as I feel that it was the only way to quell the krogan

I dont even follow mass effect but I love how to make your videos so ill always watch what you put out!

Looking forward to the next one.

tbh the genophage probably wasn't a bad idea but it was way too extreme. Genophage lite is probably what should have been used cut their breeding rate a bit but not a ton

@the_corvid97

Жыл бұрын

The Genophage reduces the birthrate so that they give birth to one young a year, much like humans. If the Krogan weren't so violent they'd be fine.

@vexile1239

27 күн бұрын

So instead of 1 in 1,000,000 being viable 1 in 50,000?

I know these are old and youre slowly adding content, but can you do one on the Rachnii wars? Idk if there's too much info on it or is it supposed to be vague on purpose?

FULL lore??? more like, FULL steam ahead for more amazing videos!!!

Great video as always matey! And congrats on the 50k subs!

Talent. Thank you sir.

2:01 Yo, what that dog doing?

@daka3785

2 жыл бұрын

Wut da varren doin

I must say Mordin was right about the Genophage, until the Reaper War, Krogans already learned to their mistake and the cure was their hope to renew their ways?

I always wondered why the council didn't just give the Krogan all of the not quiet right world that no one else can live on. While not as nice as Earth, they could easily survive in so many places. Let them mine the world no one else can go to and fill up those worlds. Also since a hundred years is nothing to them and risking life and lim is a Tuesday for them. Have the Krogan begin to explore the unknown parts of the galaxy. They could find where those relays go to and turn them on from the other end. Allow them to keep a garden world and all of the not quite right for most worlds. Yes you will have trillions of Krogan but at least they can be happier.

@the_corvid97

Жыл бұрын

The problem was that Krogan started seizing worlds belonging to the other species. The Rebellions literally began when they attacked an Asari colony and wouldn't leave.

@username.exenotfound2943

Жыл бұрын

the krogans wouldve been far too powerfull to defeat in a war if they were given more planets

@bet0v966

Жыл бұрын

The krogans had not learned the lessons of their history & the Council, especially the salarians, failed to see this as well. So after they were given high weapons & resources, of course they were going to expand & conquer.

Imagine that, the Turian population rallying around a war.

@ThrawnFett123

2 жыл бұрын

I've felt one of the untold threads of Turian banners... sorry Society is their NEED for a war. Not to win, or they'd care more about their losing economic war with the "client" species the Volus. But to be IN a war. Humans in Mass Effect, just as warlike, but they don't NEED war, they end UP in it. So they can try to get out of it. Remember, the Turian Heirarchy TRIED to go total war. That's what got Humanity brought to the attention of the Citidel

Salarians stole ftl tech from the rachni? I don't think so... Since they must have had that tech to use the relays in the first place... And no communication to the queens is logical, since they were, by that time, controlled by the reapers. You know, that sour oily song... But other than that, good vid.

@achristiananarchist2509

Жыл бұрын

You don't need ftl tech to use the relays, unless, of course, you are counting the relays themselves. Humans just happened to find one floating around Pluto. If there is a relay close enough to your planet to reach using sublight speeds, you can then just relay hop to other star systems using sublight ships.

@martinroner5688

Жыл бұрын

@@achristiananarchist2509 damn you're right, I always forget, that the ships can use ftl w/o relays, Normandy SR2's first flight... The relays just make them even faster.

18:18 Mordin even says he'd never met a Krogan worthy of the term scientist.

GREAT VID.🐱

The only thing I disagree with is the beginning where if I heard right you painted a picture of tuchunka as always being not very lush, where in me3 eve says that in the past it was green until the nuclear war. Now I could I’d heard wrong or miss understood if that’s the case ignore this if not cool

oooh ! lore time !

WiseFish>Your favourite youtuber.

Shepard helping heal the Krogan seems like a very grave mistake that will result in the extinction of humanity.

@vexile1239

27 күн бұрын

It depends on the ending, I think that with the destruction ending they could grow out of "control" same with control ending, with the synthesis ending however I'm thinking that the genetic changes that occurred could stabilise their birthrate to a viable level

Mass effect Krogan: you’re killing our kids, you’re killing our species, we will unlife you! Fallout brotherhood’s super mutants: for us to be able to breed is a weapon far greater than anything humanity can threaten us with. Fallout 1: don’t tell him we’re sterile. 3 mutants: we’re empty, but we won’t stop 4: *cult of the abandoned children* Fallout new vegas: we’re going extinct and we won’t even mention it, this is fine. I really

Right off the bat, the Iconic Normandy.

One of the things I can't stand about Mass Effect 3 is that it was so simplistic, it reduced the most morally gray issue in all of Mass Effect (that being the genophage) to something black and white! They really implied that whoever is Krogan leader, curing it or not, is the right thing to do. But with all that's been established, the idea that 1-2 Krogan (remember that Grunt isn't a factor here) can keep billions of their kind in check--in a post Reaper War era no less--is admittedly pretty silly. And that's why we need a fourth game to show whether our faith in Wrex (and Bakara) was well placed, or we were all just sentimental fools.

Take a shot everytime he says "hit back"

Yes!! More Mass Effect! 😁

Man it makes me really sad that we probably won’t get a true Mass Effect 4.

@ArtyKibbles2190

2 жыл бұрын

What about the new game coming?

@porcupineparty7056

Жыл бұрын

Aren’t they working on a new game?

I don't think it has been stated but was the cure to the genophage a full restoration of the Krogans reproductive cycle or was it improved to a higher level but not the levels seen in the past?

“Hey, yeah, you know all these gifts we’ve been giving you? Yeah, so, we did that because you’re immortal fighting machines that breed like rabbits and we need cannon fodder. Thanks for volunteering.”

Rachni wars, brogan rebellions and first contact war... We need games.

Awesome

Are going to continue mass effect lore videos Playlist?

@WiseFish

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I am. Just trying to pick a topic to cover next for it

@Dante38783

2 жыл бұрын

@@WiseFish thanks for the response 🙂👍

Toad like! If I was a Krogan I’d head but you for calling the coolest race in Mass effect that. I always thought they looked more like reptilian bison humanoids.

Unpopular opinion: The Krogan deserved the Genophage.

@dinodude6992

2 жыл бұрын

The orks deserve it more, saying otherwise is more heretical, Guardsmen!

@jarlbalgruuf7701

Жыл бұрын

making 3 Turian worlds uninhabitable? Yeah they did tbh

@burnttoast26

3 ай бұрын

The krogan needed to be humbled by the genophage, but it should have been dialed back later on. But they need a leader like Wrex for that to be feasible. Krogan need to seriously rethink their warlike culture

@loserinasuit7880

5 сағат бұрын

​@burnttoast26 And the genophage did that. Wrex earned the Krogan a second chance and the end of the reaper war gives them this chance. The problem that arises is now that the reapers are dead and civilizations have been hit hard, how will colonization move forward during rebuilding? Krogan power plays might welcome a new genophage.

I always found it amusing when Mordin would say “no no it’s not genocide. It just reduces their birthdate at a genetic level to near zero” it’s like, Mordin, my man, that IS genocide.

@mitchell3593

7 ай бұрын

you're wrong, genocide is defined as the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. The genophage did not kill any krogans, it simply massively lowered the birth rate of the krogan population.

Basically they're like mandalorians but alien like

The Krogan are the most tragic species in Mass Effect

@confusion0082

Жыл бұрын

I don't agree with you but they are one of the most tragic

@Zeeno

Жыл бұрын

I happily ended the rachni as well as the krogan. Don't start no shit there won't be no shit

Report to the ship as soon as possible-

Wouldn't it be... Tuchanka-shakes

Let’s goooooo

A tragic Warrior race.

A fully matured Krogan is only 10 years old?

@loserinasuit7880

5 сағат бұрын

Theyre gene bred to fight. You need them ready as fast as possible.

Ngl I was always against the genofage but using asteriods to completely destroy 3 planets..... maybe the krogans kinda deserved it

The Krogan were sure used as Black Ops soldiers for the Citadel. As said it is always a bad idea in the end as Black Ops become equal to the worst groups like traffickers.

I would love to hear the lore of NieR: Automata.

On the question of the unified Krogan clans threatening the galaxy once again, it depends on who's supreme overlord. If it's Wreav, then yeah, the Krogan will threaten the galaxy once more, but if it's his more level headed brother Wrex, then they'll be kept in check. If Eve dies, then Wreav wouldn't have anything keeping his ambitions from coming to fruition, but if she survives, Wrex would be able to rally other clans under the banner of Clan Urdnot, but this is determined which one is clan chief of Urdnot.

The salarian made a mistake but the krogan made a bigger mistake provoking the war.

If my information is correct, the salarian found the rachnni 1st, then the "uplifting" of the krogan. Then the genophage.

I'm a big lore junkie and I remember in ME3 when it came up about curing the genophage on my first playthrough I was immediately like, nah that's a horrible fucking idea. Love you Wrex and Grunt but if someone assassinates y'all I'd be dooming the galaxy.

Nice comment.

Kroger rebellions of 2013

A good bug is a dead bug. Starship Troopers and Krogan would get along really well until there are no bugs left.

Imagine how good a Netflix show this IP would make?

@arminxvs3372

Жыл бұрын

Really? Remember what they did with thw Witcher? MassEffect has amazing potential for awesome series and movies but not now. Hollywood is out of line. They would just tarnish this great IP with hack-writers and activists. But one day we may see something great...

spooky 666th

The krogan need leaders like Wrex to keep them on a leash, otherwise the rebellions would happen again and the genophage would be necessary again. The krogan didn't learn from the genophage and everyone screaming at them to stop being stupid and self-destructive, and they actively refuse to rebuild. Unless Wrex can change their culture and quell their ambition, the genophage should stay in place, albeit maybe lighter.

the genophage must be upheld, even if it means sacrificing friends krogans won't ever learn

So the Salarians (& Asari) are the bad guys. Not Racchni or Krogans

@davidcorrigan6578

Ай бұрын

Put you had the push it too far Krogan

@wiilov

3 күн бұрын

Nope. Krogan had it coming and frankly they shouldn't have forced curing the Genophage as the right thing to do. Wrex being an exception to the rule is not a good sign of a species that can't be bothered to only have one child a year.

All Krogans Should be forced to marry asari and the problem would be solved

@soap9277

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't that just make more Asari?

Are you deliberately spreading misinformation? Or are you just so bad at reading comprehension, that somehow you MIS-READ the lore?

@soap9277

Жыл бұрын

What did he get wrong? I'm not trying to jab at you, this is a genuine question. I'm only just now getting into the series, so I genuinely don't know. Edit: Just saw that you posted this 7 months ago, so I'm not expecting you to remember. Sorry bout that!

Yeah I know we all love Wrex and Grunt, I do anyway, but really the Genophage was really too light of a countermeasure, the realistic solution for dealing with a species THAT set on being aggressive bullies, you either completely subjugate the whole species and keep them on a very tight leash, or you exterminate the entire population. Personally, id have harvested tons and tons of genetic components from all the strongest ones and used it to create some Krogan-android/cyborg things that could be used to defend against threats like the reapers.

Africans culture in space

So both the rachni and the krogan wars were the result of the salarians? For the rachnis case, it's a "dude wtf!?!" Moment For the krogans case, it's a "why'd you have to do that to us?" Moment Literally all of the problems besides the geth, but by this point I would not be surprised if they were, are the results of the salarians not communicating well enough with another species or not at all. If any one race that deserves to be harvested, it's those frogs. Or as javick says: "throw them out the air lock!"

@gibster9624

2 жыл бұрын

Its funny because many of the citadel species have their dark pasts. The Asari despite being blessed with amazing gifts from the Proteins live a huge percentage of their lives being dancers and then live their twilight years as life coaches. They were literally sitting on the key to stopping the reapers for centuries but got caught up in their own pride.

@lavellelee5734

Жыл бұрын

​@@gibster9624protein be crazy 🤣

@ianfudo5040

Жыл бұрын

The rachni didnt give a fuck about communication so, fuck them lol. And the Krogan, basically before they were discovered they were kiling eachothers for sports and almost extinct. When they were founded, they helped with the war of the rachni and they were awarded with better planets and better life and they decided to bite the hand of the givers becuase KROGAN wanted more war, not the Salarians, hell the rebellion war started becausethe Krogan didnt wanted to leave one of the Asari world, so they were actually communicating with them before a war could break out lol. Here i have to give it to the council for the genophage, yeah, it was a extreme decision but do you prefer to sacrifice thousands to save a whole galaxy?