I think one of reasons Mary held on to her catholic faith was that it was the remaining bond she had with her mother of showing respect, love and loyalty to her mother and her catholic faith was the only true thing she had to hold onto when she submitted to her father wishes in order for him to welcome her back in his life and to stop living in fear all the time of someone killing her.

@lanawarzynski6944

Жыл бұрын

I always thought the same too

@MsJubjubbird

Жыл бұрын

Religion was different then. They didn't really have science. Religion explained how the world worked. To change your belief was to change all sense of reason and understanding

@amany247

Жыл бұрын

No god but Allah Islam way for peace and real monotheist Search about the truth with honest heart

@kaedetachibana3884

10 ай бұрын

Honestly I think the Protestant reformation would have been so bad if the only reason Henry did was to dump his wife to marry his girlfriend

@MsJubjubbird

10 ай бұрын

to her Protestantism was what ended her mother's queenship and made Mary a bastard. Protestantism was a bad thing. Plus her grandmother was part of the Inquisition, so no doubt her mother would have taught her there is nothing but Catholicism.

The "And I would like for you to get out of my fucking way" was absolute perfection.

@davidfitzpatrick6535

Жыл бұрын

Except for the fact they probably wouldn't have used such language.

@rachaelsnapp8654

Жыл бұрын

@@davidfitzpatrick6535 Yeah that's why this is considered historical fiction. I'm aware she wouldn't have used that sort of language.

@SentientHairBall

Жыл бұрын

@@rachaelsnapp8654 She was stubborn and could have quite a firey temper like her Father, brother, and sister. I can see her using such strong language

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

2 ай бұрын

@@rachaelsnapp8654 We all know that this is fiction yet some discrepancies are too blatant (for some) to ignore.

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

2 ай бұрын

@@SentientHairBall It's not about her temper, it's simply about the fact that in those times and high places such language was unlikely to be used.

In actuality, Mary did NOT visit the dying Edward. Even though he was really dying, she was rightly informed that Dudley had set a trap for her as soon as she was set to arrive at the palace. Had she gone to Edward, she would have been seized and sent to the Tower, then God knows what.

@juliancain3872

4 ай бұрын

If that's true, the most undoubtably execution. Many Royals who get imprisoned in Tower after the Wars of the Roses were eventually executed or suspected to have been. Henry VI, George Duke of Clarence, the mysterious Princes in the Tower, Edward Plantagenet 17th Earl of Warwick George's son, his sister Margaret Pole the Countess Salisbury, Anne Boleyn, Catherine Howard. If someone seizes you while you're trying to claim the throne, if they don't want you on there and you're sent to the tower, then that's the most likely outcome

@ladyv5655

2 ай бұрын

The account I heard is that the sisters lived separately at their own estates and they were both anonymously warned not go to the palace if they were summoned by the "king". They both left home and rounded up their supporters, who informed them that Edward had died and Jane Grey had been proclaimed queen. The two sisters and their retinues met up and rode together to London as a show of force as Mary claimed the throne.

I love this series despite its many flaws because it is one of the rare shows that presents the Tudor siblings post Henry and not just them bickering 24/7. They all loved each other truly, but they were also paranoid and had to distance themselves because of religion and politics. Here is so touching because Mary did truly care about Edward, but she torn between him and her Catholic faith (a faith that I believe she held on more tightly because it was one of the last things that reminded Mary of her mother, Catalina.). The siblings interactions in this show really hurts to watch because of how much smoother and less bloodthirsty the years would have went if they didn't have religion, politics, and Henry himself to pretty much cause the rift between all of them.

@horsewings3561

2 ай бұрын

Or they could have simply respected eachothers different religions instead of trying to change them.

@KL-ki8db

2 ай бұрын

@@horsewings3561 Well during those times religion was everything and having different religions was quite literally a matter of life and death especially concerning the afterlife. There was little chance that Mary or Edward would have been flexible in that manner. Elizabeth was moderate so she is probably the most likely to be tolerant of other religions.

@williethomas5116

2 ай бұрын

Well put, but Mary needed her religion because her faith made her a Princess and the Protestants bastardized her and made her a product of incest. Even beyond her immortal soul and heaven knows that would be enough but it would be very hard for proud Mary who was the grandchild of Ferdinand and Isabella to even feign outward conformity and accept her illegitimate status.

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

2 ай бұрын

@@horsewings3561...or you can simply be less naive. Back then religion was intrinsically connected to politics. Different times and views.

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

2 ай бұрын

Her mother Catherine, you mean? Also, we can't really know if they truly loved each other or what relationships truly were... But yes, the series is unique to depict them as people first of all and not just scheming Royals.

Oddly enough Mary asked the same thing of Elizabeth just three years later.

Mary loved her little brother and godson so much 😭 This scene just breaks my heart

@clairefordzetterstrom9973

Жыл бұрын

Same

@timetravelingshark8811

Жыл бұрын

I really feel like she viewed him as both her baby brother and like the son she never had. (In the show, of course, I can't speak for how the actual Mary felt.) She was 21 when he was born, and was the most constant female figure in his life. Despite all of their quarrels she adored him and fretted over him like how a mother might, and I think he knew that on some level. His heartbreaking little "Please, Mary, please..." when he asked her to convert sounded like a little boy pleading with his surrogate mom to stay with him more than a king demanding something of his sister. The depiction of the Tudor siblings in this show and their painfully realistic relationships with each other absolutely breaks my heart.

@mspionage1743

4 ай бұрын

We have no proof of this. Nobody knows how any of them felt about one another except Edward was not a fan of Mary's. So I am sure Mary hated him, especially for what he did to the religion she worshiped. She probably wanted him dead majorly. Nobody loves someone who mistreats them. They may fear them, but they do not love them.

@OnlyAtWaterlooRoad

Ай бұрын

@@timetravelingshark8811 Just found this show and obsessed for this exact reason. Their relationships in this is so beautiful to watch, can you imagine Edward's death scene with this Mary if she is this bad when he is sick? That would be heartbreaking but amazing to watch, but sadly seems won't be more series.

As a catholic myself my heart goes out to Mary.She is not afraid of showing that She Will always be catholic.

@Belinda8881

Жыл бұрын

@@omi685 Although I think it doesn´t make sense anymore to talk about the deep rifts between Catholicism and The Church of England, in my opinion , Mary didn´t burn the amount of people at the stake that protestant historians claim she did. Bear in mind that history is written by the victors and it was in Elizabethan historians´interest to tell a dark tale about Mary concerning religion.

@Belinda8881

Жыл бұрын

@@omi685 O K. And that's your opinion.And by the way It's not only my opinion.Historians that are not biased state that there was a dark tale that Elizabethan historians created to show Mary in the worst of lights.I'm only a portuguese históry and literature teacher but I agree with them.

@Belinda8881

Жыл бұрын

@@omi685 No,of course she wasn't Innocent.It was a time when lots of injustices and even crimes were commited in the name of relógion on either side ,catholics and protestants. Catholicism was responsible for one of the darkest pages in históry.when It allowed the creation of Inquisiton.

@Belinda8881

Жыл бұрын

I mean "in the name of religion"

@cinna_sultan

Жыл бұрын

@@Belinda8881 Well it was a time where everyone acted in the name of their religion, they all committed sins either way. Their time period was simply more religious then today.

In the end they were just three siblings who should've lived a happy life as a family.

@L0velySam

Жыл бұрын

I mean they were happy together

@cinna_sultan

Жыл бұрын

@@L0velySam Religion and politics was slowly seperating them.

@krishnasubhasanthi6535

Жыл бұрын

"step-siblings" would be the right way to tell if I'm not wrong 😂❤️

@L0velySam

Жыл бұрын

@@krishnasubhasanthi6535 there not really Step-siblings they are half siblings they have the same dad but different mum

@clairefordzetterstrom9973

Жыл бұрын

True

Some of the casting in this show is wonderful. Edward vi and Edward Seymour particularly look just like their portraits. Mary's looks and portrayal was great, but she was much smaller and in real life. She was well-formed, but quite a bit smaller than normal people. She also didn't know any bad words. And Elizabeth wasn't quite this pretty and delicate-faced in real life. Alicia would be better as Katherine of Aragon, looks-wise. Still a great job overall I love Mary and Edward's relationship. It was beautiful, especially in real life. Edward loved Mary more than anyone in the world, and with good reason.

@xxwhispersxx2856

Жыл бұрын

I think we can give Romola being taller than Mary a pass lol.

@KL-ki8db

10 ай бұрын

Well I give the height a pass since it does make Mary look older than Elizabeth and Edward and she was. Not to mention that neither of the young siblings were fully grown at this point.

@elizabethtudorstuff

10 ай бұрын

"She didn't know any bad words" THAT MADE ME LAUGH AND I DON'T KNOW WHY!! Well done

This shows how much they cared about each other!

She swears I found it iconic I'm surprised 😭😭😭

Great acting by everyone here! Love Mary's poise while speaking to Lord Dudley. Such a sad scene. Thanks for posting Lili!

This show was called "Becoming Elizabeth" but it should have been "Becoming Mary" because the actress and character of Mary literally took over the show. It was more clear her strengths, weaknesses and motives.

@KL-ki8db

2 ай бұрын

Yeah the show’s title should be changed. Though, I would personally change it to becoming Tudors to show all 3 siblings ascension to power with poor Jane Grey being the outlier.

@jaimiesalid3141

2 ай бұрын

They shouldn't have had her using bad language. Ridiculous. Pandering to the modern audience.

@williethomas5116

2 ай бұрын

@@jaimiesalid3141 it's a TV show. It's literally their job to pander to the audience. It isn't written to be historically accurate it is written to show a modern audience that Mary is a strong indomitable woman, who can hold her own with the men as next in line to the throne.

@KL-ki8db

2 ай бұрын

@@williethomas5116 Well said.

@williethomas5116

2 ай бұрын

@@KL-ki8db 👍👍 Elizabeth had a similar scene with Henry Grey Duke of Suffolk where she chastised him "for presuming to beat her kinswoman in her presence".

The sad part is that Mary likely loved Edward more than did Elizabeth. Elizabeth was ambitious and calculating, and was probably hoping for her sickly brother and much older (and somewhat sickly) sister to die so that she could become Queen. She reportedly was against Mary giving Lady Jane Grey another chance after the latter almost stole the Crown away from her (realizing that Elizabeth had also been disinherited by Jane's supporters).

@Angl0sax0nknight

5 ай бұрын

I doubt Elisabeth was that cold toward her brother. They were raised together by Parr and had the same faith. Unlike Mary and zealot devotion to the Catholic Church. Elisabeth was very smart compared to her other siblings but I think she was probably more caring than Mary.

@brookelynnwu8016

5 ай бұрын

She was like 12/14 when he died I seriously doubt she cared. And she was 3rd in line to the throne, she probably never even expected it to come to her until after his death when Mary was ill.

@kathrynorozco5416

3 ай бұрын

False. Her and her brother were close compared to Mary and Him. He literally crowned a second cousin to try to make sure Mary would never be Queen (didn’t work obviously) because of her fanatical catholic beliefs.

@glitzerplastikchichi

2 ай бұрын

@@kathrynorozco5416 Comments like this really make me wonder if people have seen too many fictional interpretations of historical figures that they mistake the depictions for fact. 1. The image that we have of Mary I to this day is strongly influenced by later Protestant propaganda. Misogyny will also have played a role here because Mary was the first English queen to rule in her own right. 2. Was the Jane Gray issue not about what kind of person Maria really was, but about political and religious factions opposing each other and what Maria represented. A big difference!

@BiG-JuPO1O1

2 ай бұрын

@@kathrynorozco5416 Didn't work because Mary was loved and popular, Elizabeth supported her while they were marching to London to crown Mary.

Only by standing together did Henry VIII's three children govern the realm and protect each other. They knew who they were to each other and who each other was going to become. They did love each other.

i love how the Crowd was with Mary, she was really popular in the beginning!

María Tudor, eres admirable porque siempre fuiste valiente. A pesar de las innumerables humillaciones que padeciste por nuestra Fe Católica nunca desfalleciste. Magnífica escena.

According to Alison Weir, Mary was so devout that even her maids were astonished when she once used a swear word. When one maid spoke up, Mary said she hadn't known what the word meant.

0:33 Keep going, queen.

More to Lay Mary. I love her. 😍

@clairefordzetterstrom9973

Жыл бұрын

Same

Mary has character 😊

“And I would like you to get out of my f*cking way.” Whoa! 👏🏻

@ficostaffansson6856

Ай бұрын

Portraying some targaryen madness there lol😂😂😂

Hail Queen Mary, A devoted Catholic Queen of England

@KL-ki8db

10 ай бұрын

She would have been remembered more kindly if she didn't make the mistake of falling for Phillip who clearly didn't care about her and was a major contribution to Mary's unpopularity in addition with the religious persecution that both were known for.

@a_little_demon

2 ай бұрын

​​@@KL-ki8dbmistake ? sometimes people don't even know the true colors of their partners until it's too late. don't blame her for staying.

@KL-ki8db

2 ай бұрын

@@a_little_demon She knew the drawbacks of marrying a foreign prince, this was a major reason Elizabeth I didn’t put much thought into taking a foreign husband since her people would react very negatively as they did Mary. Mary already knew that her people would react negatively anyway to a foreign husband, the part of him being an absent and neglectful husband might have came afterwards but the displeasure of her marriage was known already. It may not have been entirely out of bad intentions but she made a choice that would upset her people and she had to face the consequences to her reputation.

@a_little_demon

2 ай бұрын

@@KL-ki8db but still, never blame someone that stays in a toxic relationship. and besides, it's not easy to suit a toxic relationship.

@KL-ki8db

2 ай бұрын

@@a_little_demon Never said anything about staying in a relationship because she couldn’t due to the Catholic beliefs of marriage at the time. I am saying that it was a bad decision to even have the relationship to begin with beforehand especially if the majority of the country already hates your potential husband. She still made the choice nonetheless and she just has to deal with the consequences of it.

It should have gotten another season , but a different Elizabeth lol, the actress for mary was on point.

"and I'd like you to get out of my fucking way" MARY YOU BADASS

Henry’s grit & Katherine’s grit= Mary.

When Edward VI died, his death was not announced. Finally, the stench was so bad, they had to reveal it. There were then machinations to put his cousin, Lady Jane Grey, on the throne. She was deposed nine days later, and eventually beheaded, and Mary was crowned as Queen.

In a kinder world they would've all been a happy family getting groceries at Tesco.

@a_little_demon

2 ай бұрын

I like to believe that they're all in a world where they finally live like family, no more fight because of politics or religion, just bonding, spending time together, being happy and with their mothers, free from all the rules of their era and titles.

The young king actor is really talented

I am so sad this isn't getting a second season, and this scene is one of the biggest reasons why. In series 2 Edward would have died early on, I think this actress for Mary would have done a fantastic job of showing Mary finally snap and turn cold. She had lost her mum young, then watched most of her stepmums die or have to leave, then her father dies, and then her brother, which in the show at least shows she loves dearly. Think in season 2 they could have shown how she turns bitter because of everything and she does deep down love Elizabeth but it is easier to act cold and not allow herself to trust her, because if she somehow dies too, Mary won't suffer as much, as they weren't as close, at least I think they could have shown that.

The more clips that I see of this show, the angrier I get at the idiots who canceled it! A number of TV shows start out with low ratings, but are given time to grow an audience. This show should have been one of them😠

I wonder where old Tom Jefferson got the notion that it was a good idea to separate church and state?

Mary and Elizabeth are both their mothers and fathers daughters.

Once again this reinforces that politics can tear apart entire families who would have lived happy otherwise.

I see the use of the all powerful “F” word permeates the culture.

He was too young to bear that burden.

I like how the series makes it clear that it’s just a dramatization of real events

Poor Edward

So sad. The language ruined it. Media really is just dreck anymore. It’s sickening.

Maria ponia su fe por encima de muchas cosas, mal llamada la "sangrienta" no lo fue mas que su hermana o algunas reinas de su epoca cuyas victimas no se cuentan por no ser monarcas catolicas...

Name movie?

@Lily1127channel

Жыл бұрын

Becoming Elizabeth

The problem of Abrahamic religions has been addressed in this single scene where A follower of Jesus and God is asked to be a follower of same almighty only because of religious regime...Thus causes the dogma of the century.We need to admit the fact that without Righteousness every single piece of pie is corroupt and that Righteousness is compassion and Humanity and only be it...nothing else...

Edward was right - it would all be undone by his oldest half sibling

@AnnaBellaChannel

Жыл бұрын

Not for long

@Hasanbas-rv3vm

2 ай бұрын

Dude edwards father was catholic

@KL-ki8db

2 ай бұрын

@@Hasanbas-rv3vm Well Edward was raised Protestant by his uncles and nannies. Henry VIII was a weird mix between Catholic and Protestant where he is pretty much Catholic except for the huge part of respecting the authority of the Pope.

😢

I feel the dialgoue is this show is a little inaccurate for how people spoke in the 1500s. Very different from Shakespeare dialogue and the written materials we have from the time. Even the accent was likely a little different. But mainly the dialogue. Plus, while the "f-word" may have existed back then, but I really don't think a Princess would use it. Also, people seem to only want to see Mary as either Bloody Mary OR a misunderstood women who did nothing wrong. But I feel the truth as always is in between both extremes. She probably had good and love for her siblings and understadable reasons for ending up the way she did BUT it doesn't wholly excuse the evil things she did in the name of religion.

@Lily1127channel

2 ай бұрын

Well, I think that if they used the original 16th century English then it would be almost impossible for us to understand the series. They would not even use "you", and most of the words that are common for us today.

Can't believe they used the f word.

@savagedarksider5934

Жыл бұрын

The actual Mary arely use the f word.

@cinna_sultan

Жыл бұрын

They used it in several scenes, even Edward used it.

@ayakotami3318

Жыл бұрын

I just about dropped my phone. 😅

@a_little_demon

2 ай бұрын

what did you thought that was, a Disney show ?

Im so mad they cancelled this show!!

@a_little_demon

2 ай бұрын

SAAAME ! 😭

weird question but would they have used the word fucking back then? the women?

@Lily1127channel

Жыл бұрын

Hm I mean the word itself definitely existed. Although I don't know if it existed as a swear word too or just as a vulgar word for sex. Or who exactly used the word, men or women, high or low classes.

@mmhthree

Жыл бұрын

@@Lily1127channel Anyone know if it really means Fornication Under Consent of the King? lol

@feelgoodbeats9376

27 күн бұрын

Mary wouldn’t have sworn because the accounts confirm that she didn’t know any curse words. As for the f word itself, I don’t think it existed back then 😭 but there were plenty of alternatives

To be honest, Mary would never have used the word "fucking". In fact, was that even a term then?

@Lily1127channel

9 ай бұрын

It was

This is ridiculous the f word was not used then certainly not by Royals

Also Edward was so worried about Catholics taking over when he died why not just make elizabeth his heir instead of Jane grey just seems stupid he had a perfect protestant candidate in his own sister

@claranism

Жыл бұрын

He was manipulated by Lord Dudley to pass over both his sisters. I see it as a blessing in disguise. Had he made Elizabeth his heir, a religious war will be waged between the two sisters n Mary wld likely win as she was v popular w the pple then n Elizabeth might have been killed ala Jane Grey

@coreycanham2330

Жыл бұрын

@@claranism true now it makes sense that lord Dudley gets executed by Mary during her reign

@zacharyclark5617

Жыл бұрын

I think for 2 reasons. One because he declared Mary a bastard in his will, he also had to declare Elizabeth the same. Also I firmly believed he did not wish to risk Elizabeth's life should his plan for the succession failed and Mary became queen.

@Yasin_2312

Жыл бұрын

Because Edward knew that Elizabeth was illegitimate and so she cannot inherit the throne and pass it on from her bloodline

@mysteriouswanderer9633

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharyclark5617 Exactly

Did they really use all these F words ?

@Lily1127channel

3 ай бұрын

Well its first known usage was in 1475, so maybe.

With the death of Edward so does the Tudor dynasty. A dynasty can only continue through A male line.

@cinna_sultan

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. Or Mary could have done what Maria Theresa did when she married Francis of Lorraine the Habsburgs changed to Habsburg-Lorraine.

@shimanopetermann9068

Жыл бұрын

@@cinna_sultan But even in Maria Theresa's case the Habsburgs still died out. The house of Habsburgs-Lorraine might bear the name but genealogically it is a branch of the house of Lorraine or you could say a newly built dynasty.

@srijeetasikder2678

Жыл бұрын

But the House of Windsor didn’t 😏.

@AnnaBellaChannel

Жыл бұрын

No, Henry VIII left a will which clearly stated the Succession of the Crown which was thus 1st Edward and if he die without issue it was to go to Mary and if she died without issue it was to got to Elizabeth and if she died without issue. The crown was to go to The Royal House of Stuart the cousins of the Tudors. Henry VIII's sister Margaret Tudor became Queen of Scotland. Hence why we got James I of England.

@cinna_sultan

Жыл бұрын

@@shimanopetermann9068 It is but it isn't. The House of Habsburg-Lorraine was still Habsburg it was not a new dynasty not in name and definitely not by blood either.

Why is there a black courtier with Mary? And why does she curse? Historically inaccurate

@immortan-valkyrie90

Жыл бұрын

Cursing aside, Spain had black courtiers because HELLO they had the Moors in the peninsula for decades.

@Alejojojo6

Жыл бұрын

@@immortan-valkyrie90 No we had not. The moors arent black, a lot of people make that fake assumption: they were native spaniards of islamic faith or arab-berber ruling minority (less than 5% of the pop) and contrary to popular belief, Northafrican-arab ancestry is less than 10% in the country. On the other hand, the first registered black person to come to England came with Catherine of Aragon. He was a black servant that came from North Africa who in turn had taken him from sub-saharan africa as a slave commodity. He had been freed then used as a servant by courtiers in Spain as exotic luxury thing. Mary however wouldnt have had such a thing.

@KL-ki8db

10 ай бұрын

⁠@@Alejojojo6Moors is a blanket term for anyone was a non European. Some use terms like Black Moors for those in Northern/ Subharan Africa as we see here for Pedro de Negro and Shakespeare’s work of Othello. Another is “white moor” which as you described are for the Arabic Muslims. I do appreciate you correctly getting that this wasn’t the first black individual to come to England as Catalina did have black servants accompanied with her.

@laerwen

2 ай бұрын

Of course it's historically inaccurate. It's fiction!

is this show worth watching? like mary swearing like a nowdays peasant and the race swap kinda make have no hope

@laerwen

2 ай бұрын

A black actor makes you have no hope? Do some research, LOL.

@a_little_demon

2 ай бұрын

it's deffinitely worth watching. at least in my opinion.

@JR47846

2 ай бұрын

@@a_little_demon ty

Why's there a black guy in Mary's entourage? Is this another "woke quota", or is there an actual historical basis for this?

@a_little_demon

2 ай бұрын

I think there's historical basis. ressearching would be great in that case.

@FulmenTheFinn

2 ай бұрын

​@@a_little_demon I can't think of any historical basis for this. John Blanke, a musician who was one of Catherine of Aragon's servants, was one of the only, if not the only, black man in England around this time period, and that was some 40 years prior to when this scene is supposed to take place.

@a_little_demon

2 ай бұрын

@@FulmenTheFinn I'll do my ressearch then.

@Lily1127channel

2 ай бұрын

I think he is supposed to be based on the historical figure Pedro de Negro

@a_little_demon

2 ай бұрын

@@Lily1127channel oooh I'll have to look up about him !

What a stupid reconstruction

That video about Edward vi beddeath?