Five minutes into the video and there's a quote from Zinn's book. I've never read the Zinn's book, but in that quote, it is so packed full of logical fallacies and assumptions of intent! Unequal property holdings is not proof of unequal rights. Two guys who both have the opportunity to work, but one is lazy, the other diligent, which one will end up with better stuff? If I had to read such nonsense with all those false premises, I would burn each page after I was exposed to it.

@Wildrhody

3 жыл бұрын

But, from the projection of a parasitical mind that is how they see it.

@mgkrewson

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, book burning is always a sign of a big brain.

@smileimagirl

3 жыл бұрын

Read the book and make your actual own opinion, not of an opinion off a quote given from someone else.

@HypatiaMuse

3 жыл бұрын

It's a myth that working hard and being diligent means you will do well in this country. It might have been the case at one point, but it's not the current reality. Some of our hardest-working and essential fields like elder care are paid a pittance, and people working overtime still can't even keep up with basic cost of living. Service workers are demeaned and underpaid- that doesn't mean they are lazy or lack diligence. Some people make six figure salaries and do 2 hours of work a day for it.

@Brian_Friesen

3 жыл бұрын

@@HypatiaMuse The size of salaries has much to do with the market value of the work performed. Some people bring special skills to the market, skills that others don't have, and the demand for their skills pushes their pay up. The disparity in salaries is mostly about supply and demand. What I was saying is that when all other things are equal, the more productive person will be rewarded for their productivity, unless the government or a union distorts the system. But also what you produce matters. There are many hard working musicians who are barely making a living. What they produce is something that although many people enjoy, few are willing to pay money for it, especially when in this digital age, there are so many proprietary work-arounds, people can get music for free. The wise musician recognizes that busting his butt for nickels and dimes isn't worth it, so he learns how to weld in the day and still does a gig or two on the weekends. The market has a greater need for welders than for guitar players. Seriously though, if you think that somebody earns a six figure salary only working two hours a day, my friend, you really haven't seen these people work. If someone is sitting on top of a multi-million dollar corporation, EVERYBODY around them is hungry to take their spot. They work all the time, often losing their family relations in order to keep their status. Aside from coddled children of celebrities, that idea of easy money with a suit and tie is just not true. But the point I was making in the above statement is that differences between the haves and the have nots is not divorced from the concept of productivity and marketability. You can be content working a low wage job or improve your skill, work hard, and improve your own status, but you have to be strategic in doing so. Wisdom and diligence really do pay off.

Sounds too familiar to what is going on today in schools.

Interesting that 8th graders are learning it in Portland. That explains a lot.

@leighanne3266

3 жыл бұрын

It's everywhere! If you have school aged children please check what they're learning. I found this poison in my son's 4th grade state history book.

@dagneytaggart407

3 жыл бұрын

I was a public high school US history teacher in the 80ies. The text did not even mention the US Constitution. I threw out the text and taught history using the Constitution as the measuring stick. Today I'd be fired because I was not teaching to the State-mandated test or Core Curriculum. HOME SCHOOL!!!!!

@stephanieknows1668

3 жыл бұрын

@@dagneytaggart407 Lucky class! I'm only surprised you got hired. At my children's high school, there was this one non-liberal. One of the other teachers would joke to his class, "How'd we let him in? " I remember on Back to School night, meeting all the teachers. EVERY ONE had as a goal for the year: to prepare students for the ________ (Fill in state or other standardized test for that year), EXCEPT that one guy, whose objective was (something to the effect of) to have students develop good citizenship skills. Thank you! To be sure, part of that is developing an appreciation for our Constitution.

@donnyboon2896

3 жыл бұрын

@@dagneytaggart407 - Agreed!

@sauernick1

3 жыл бұрын

I was in high school in Portland 2001-2005. My junior year history teacher used this book.

The reasons to do homeschooling keep mounting up.

@iaintwonderwoman5720

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, sir!

@nathanmorgan3647

2 жыл бұрын

The reasons to do homeschooling have never changed.

@nathanmorgan3647

2 жыл бұрын

@You are correct But Oh yes, a quick bedtime conversation every night when everyone is exhausted after 6 hours of school and 4 hours of homework should totally be enough to counter the prior 10 hours of purposeful thought training and propaganda. Genius plan.

@duaneelsbree3460

2 жыл бұрын

@First Last never let public school get in the way of an education.

@AMinute2Meditate

2 жыл бұрын

And what history book would you be teaching to your homeschooled children?

I graduated in 1970, B.A. History. We were taught about different perspectives including revisionist history and the dangers of revisionism. 10 years later, everything changed. I know at Cal State Hayward, Zinn was a standard History 101 Text which I found very strange because it was clearly being taught as "straight history" which it is not. I would estimate based on what I know, the University switched from teaching to indoctrinating about 40 years ago. The liberal arts are becoming more and more discredited, they no longer create thinking individuals, only ideologues that hate and desire to silence those who disagree with them.

Been awhile since I read 'a people's history', as I recall it was mostly from the perspective of those affected by working for big business. Early days of strike breaking etc.

@dimitrijejovanovich6488

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s the impression I got too, which is true because that’s what it mainly focused on.

I traveled through the US in 1979 and found there existed a general ignorance in people in the US about anything outside their own country. They would hear my accent and ask where I was from. My answer, Australia, elicited several responses. 'You didn't sound like you're from around here', 'Your English is very good', 'That's near Switzerland, isn't it?'. Many couldn't answer basic questions about Mexico or Canada. So what are they taught now?

@JCDenton3

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, I've found that in generally every country I've visited. Most people just seem to know something about their general geography (Frenchmen might know a fair amount about Europe, but didn't know almost anything about Oz or the US or Latin America).

@mikefranklin70

3 жыл бұрын

Lol yeah I found about the same thing living for 3 years living in Germany. And I'm sure I would find the same thing Australia. Maybe not as much. Solely because the US is still the world leader. Both monetarily and culturely. As a tour guide, I get people from all over the world. Frequently I hear young people sing songs in a perfect American accent. That just doesn't happen the other way around. This breeds a lot of haters. Like the poster here. I understand it completely. Nobody wants their country/culture to be considered, not the best. But I will not join in the bringing down of my countrymen simply because a rando on the internet is mad some American didn't know where she was from. If he was American, he was most likely too busy working to pay you much attention.

@redpillpharmacist

Жыл бұрын

Thousands enter the US daily. On the other hand, I don't see people clamoring to enter Australia. There aren't enough hours in the day to teach everything there is to know about everywhere and everything. Many of us have no desire to travel far from home. Instead, we spend our time investing in our community in the spirit of "find your own Calcutta."

@whitepanties2751

Жыл бұрын

Actually a lot of people want to migrate to Australia.

@tokuh5821

10 ай бұрын

Yeah! Average Americans are so so ignorant. When I was going to a college as an ESL student, one foreign student, like myself, said, I am from Norway. “ Then, one American student asked, “Where is that capital?” I dropped my jaw.

WOW. My granddaughter just told me her prof said Columbus was so tyrannical. I didn't know how t respond. I had never heard that. ....And where does she go to college? Portland, Oregon This really explains a lot. Thank you

@me700gnomes

3 жыл бұрын

@vertex2100 we don’t a have a holiday dedicated to the Mongols

@me700gnomes

3 жыл бұрын

@vertex2100 sounds like the philosophy of a spiteful basement dweller tbh

@proned2stoned

3 жыл бұрын

Seems like you can't understand with your head in the sand. Your granddaughter was better educated than you it seems.

@me700gnomes

3 жыл бұрын

@Eric Cuevas what planet did you get that moral philosophy from? “Maybe mass murder and genocide can be good in the long run so why should we view it as wrong?” Am I reading your correctly?

@MichaelBrewick

3 жыл бұрын

Don't look it up just keep being ignorant - Columbus is too much. In fact, leave the thinking to others; it would be a waste to try.

I can attest Zinn was mandatory summer reading for my ap us history class as a high school junior

@davedee4382

2 жыл бұрын

Sad.

@SMERSH_BERSH

2 жыл бұрын

It’s ok my required reading for my PoliSci class in college was Robert Reich. That told me a lot about my professor

@squaremedia8082

2 жыл бұрын

It should be

@davedee4382

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Leftist teachers indoctrinating children. Horrible

@saskk2290

2 жыл бұрын

@@davedee4382 Teacher's gonna teach. Maybe you just couldn't keep up?

This explains so much of what is going on in

@patrickslevin6424

3 жыл бұрын

It does explain. What it leaves out is the why. Why would people in a Constitutional Republic embrace socialist/communist ideas? For me, it's so counter intuitive and disgusting to see these fools destroy all that our form of government has given them.

@rockonallnight

3 жыл бұрын

It’s completely obvious at this point that this particular radical form of Marxist ideology had/has been set in place for quite some time now in this country. And it’s also very much obvious that nowhere near enough people were actually paying any serious attention as to what was in fact taking shape throughout our own educational systems during this whole entire period.

@patrickslevin6424

3 жыл бұрын

@@rockonallnight It sure has.

@rockonallnight

3 жыл бұрын

@Your Worst Nightmare - Facts Well I certainly hope you get the communist society, which will naturally lead to a universal utopia in your own mind no doubt, that individuals such as your idol Zinn hoped to encourage and achieve through his own Marxist propaganda. And once said society happens then it’ll only be a question of just how high the actual death count will be this time around. Zinn essentially wrote about U.S. history as if it were an actual real life comic book, and both his writings and social views should be treated with the exact same kind of intellectual weight that these very same books themselves possess.

@BernieHollandMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@patrickslevin6424 Who are you trying to fool ? You have been shredding the Amendments to your so-called constitution for the last thirty years

Read “The Light and the Glory” by David Manuel and Peter Marshall based on origina sources. David Barton is another historian who has over a thousand original courses in his collection. He has letters and textbooks as well as Bibles that belonged to the Founding Fathers.

@chrischristian2446

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the lead!

@kenfirestick1842

3 жыл бұрын

Love David Barton and Wallbuilders. Original Intent is an excellent read. It was out of print for years, but I noticed it appears to be back in print today.

@devin_3875

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the recommendations!

Howard Zinn did share truths about American history however, one woman made a brutal point. Howard Zinn's lens of history if applied to countries around the world would come up with the realization most non-western countries did not end in a free market that celebrated diversity but one living below poverty, starvation, civil war, and oppression.

This book was recommended to me by a friend who would not stop talking about it about ten years ago. It was my vacation book while I was in Bali. I read 3/4’s of it, but I couldn’t finish it. I’m a Canadian history teacher (not specializing in American history), but I could see straight away that this book is not an academic work of history. It is extremely biased, poorly written, and the piece is created just to sell Marxist ideas to young, naive, unknowing people. I honestly cannot believe that teachers use this to teach history.

@bludeuce3855

2 жыл бұрын

indoctrtination can backfire and fail on children

I have witnessed this in a local junior high as a substitute teacher and teacher's assistant. I was startled with the curriculum about Moa who was a wonderful leader. How he revolted, how he inspired the people destroy all the books, statues, and history of the Chinese people. I saw her get the students in each class to act out a revolution. The students did not fully understand but they were taught and retaught that this was a good way to get rid of bad government education. I also noted there was a 4 th grade teacher who taught American History and this teacher was outstanding. She taught in depth. I was so impressed with the insights and excerpts from history she had collected to share with the children. After that year the school board closed this curriculum she taught to teach something else. I was so sad with this turn of events, as was the teacher.

@aedressler

3 жыл бұрын

85-90% of foreigners in Mao's China were Jews helping him implement Communism.

Every day that goes by I thank God that is He guided us to homeschool! My kids were taught true American history and believe that Columbus, our founding fathers, and others in our country’s early history were patriots and strong Christians. Little did we know 21 years ago when we first started this homeschool journey, that it would be such a huge impact and the best decision we ever made.

How did we let these teachings become a part of the curriculum? Unions?

3 жыл бұрын

My neighbor makes $75 per hour plus a generous benefits contract and he wants to go on strike.

@smedleybutler9635

3 жыл бұрын

Unions, the folks that brought you the 8 hr day and the weekend. Your welcome.

@willtopower2158

3 жыл бұрын

These communists were routed out of schools, media, etc in the 50's. What happened, how did they get back in power to contaminate our society? There must be moles from the CCP, Russia in the US. There was a news article about a 12 billion dollar payment from China to our Ivy League colleges. I wonder how much influence they bought?

@cindyjo9093

3 жыл бұрын

@@willtopower2158 oh yes! After WWII, many of the elite were brought to U.S. prominent people, scientists, educators, physicians, etc. Why we let them have such influence in our educational system baffles me. Maybe we were naive or perhaps it was done malevolently. However, it to all these year to become such a threat ( at least in my view). But this has been given many warnings by writers. Now we must open our eyes to what has happened.

@smedleybutler9635

3 жыл бұрын

@ I make 41per hour plus benefits. Worked construction year round for 15 years in the union. Been good to me and my family and I will be doing the same for another 15 god willing. Company I work for has made a killing and is highly profitable. Customers must be happy cause they keep coming. A lot of union haters don't know much about the history of the working folks in the U.S.

I tried to read this back in college and I quit when I realized how hard (if not impossible) it was to check Zinn’s work. No footnotes but a general bibliography. Looking at the bibliography it is basically a bunch of books that conforms to his beliefs. I have not throughly checked the all the sources but the one’s I did were written by Marxist or left leaning writers. A majority of the books/periodicals he puts in the bibliography were published in the 60s and 70s. Very little first hand sources. Why this is being taught is beyond me.

@michaelkahn8903

2 жыл бұрын

My book ANGRY LOUD AND CLEAR TRUTH was formed after studying a good bit of history, and not only does it cofirm much of Zinn, it goes further, it shows how the VAtican is the power behind the powers. all fact-checkers have confirmed my work. I am more radical now as a result of my research, not having researched to confirm my opinions, but formed them.

@carolblume5073

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelkahn8903 I find that hard to believe. No footnotes? Gimme a break. That cannot possibly be taken seriously.

@michaelkahn8903

2 жыл бұрын

@@carolblume5073 First of all, this woman tries to discredit him by going to his funders. People don't all listen to or obey those that fund them. IF you read my other comments, you would see that just because his parents lived in Russia until shortly after the revolution, is not indicative that he had been brought up loving communism. IF they left Russia shortly after it, it is more likely that they left in distaste for the type of government that had replaced the old one. Furthermore, so what if he was communist, he still spoke truth. People try to discredit the truth if they don't like what it says. I stand for truth, and my ideologies changed upon my learnings. I was born Jewish, my mother made me go to a reform temple. Before my bar mitzvah, I told her that I did not believe in God, she made me have a bar mitzvah anyway, then told me she was atheist herself, and we attended humanist society and ethical culture society meetings together for years. I was a democrat. Then in 2004 i became Christian and turned to republicans. After teaching Bible for eight years, and being offered 33 million dollars and approached by the republican party to run for office, and many here in JErsey saying they wanted me as governor, I spent some time away from my church and upon thinking, I turned away from God and the bible, and the money disappeared. My friends all left me as I debunked the bible in THE UNTOLD NATURE OF CHRISTIANITY, and I started to research history and other subjects, seeing that those I trusted most (pastors) were all liars. I then wrote EXPOSING THE MONEY MACHINE and was imprisoned for doing so. THis only enforced my dissidence and made me angrier at the establishment. I was no longer republican, I would not support any politician, and still don't/ I am now an atheist again, and after thousands of hours of research penned the best book ANGRY LOUD AND CLEAR TRUTH. Nobody has been able to find one deception. IN the book on Christianity, some people have debated that one premise out of scores of them is wrong, I dont bother to debate, i have not studied the bible now for half a dozen years, and find it to be a book of deep occult, wrong values, manipulation, and subversion, a tool to destroy humanity. IN my faith, i had studied it 10,000 hours in true devout believer ignorance. I have left my old beliefs and political ideologies behind with knowledge of their reality. I only wish others were so capable.

@khfan4life365

2 жыл бұрын

@@carolblume5073 no, this person is right. I found an edition of People’s History and checked out the footnotes. There were very little footnotes that were from accurate historical documents. I’ve read my share of history books and many of the books have footnotes as 1/3rd of the book. Zinn is a fraud and a liar.

@michaelkahn8903

2 жыл бұрын

@@khfan4life365 could you share with us the falsehoods? IF you are so sure that they are false, let us know what and where. Heresay

It’s time to correct curriculum based on factual information. David Barton history books should replace Zinn. 1/4 of his books are footnotes citing original articles, documents, journals and other written works, of the era making his works factual based and irrefutable.

@edwarddee8808

2 жыл бұрын

@First Last Clever jackass. I can see from the comments here that Howard Zinn has quite a number of rabid little Red Guards defending him.

@duaneelsbree3460

2 жыл бұрын

@First Last and you have read selective little of the founders writings. David Barton has over 100,000 original documents. He does not fabricate as Zinns, and you.

@HipYupster

Жыл бұрын

David Barton is a Theocratic Fascist pushing a revisionist history that misrepresents the views and intentions of the framers. That's why his publisher Thomas Nelson Publishers 'lost confidence' in his book The Jefferson LIes and pulled it from shelves. Turned out the title was a little too appropriate. Christian Nationalism is a lie. Dominionism is the death of the American democratic project.

@peterlangbridge4628

Жыл бұрын

@@duaneelsbree3460 Exactly. And many of these documents were written ( in English) by God himself.

What’s really ironic about the Good Will Hunting scene with the Zinn reference is that the reality is exactly the opposite: kids are exposed to Zinn and his acolytes well before grad school, even before undergraduate studies. If Damon’s character were actually the contrarian he pretends to be, the a-hole grad student would be a Zinn wannabe and Damon would offer actual true history.

@truthaboveall7988

Жыл бұрын

Yeah except no

@ryanparkercolour

Жыл бұрын

@@truthaboveall7988 yeah except yeah bro lol

@edeancozzens3833

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@edeancozzens3833

Жыл бұрын

Damon should read the real history and apologize.

@RatatRatR

Жыл бұрын

No American younger than undergrad ever hears Zinn's name.

I was assigned Zinn's "history" book as an undergrad and it's brilliantly deceptive. Fortunately I'd been inoculated by way of a solid public school US history education. It's easy to imagine younger students uncritically falling for it.

@michaelkahn8903

3 жыл бұрын

did you look at its references? dozens of pages of notes from legitimate sources. the winner of conquests always writes history, and Zinn did some deep honest research to find the truth. sometimes, actually often, that history has been distorted to enable the conqueror look better.

@fritobandito5374

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelkahn8903 "legitamate" "deep" "honest" "truth"

@michaelkahn8903

3 жыл бұрын

@@fritobandito5374 HEy, are you from Jersey, Frito?

@fritobandito5374

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelkahn8903 "Did you look at it's references? Dozens of pages of notes from sources. The winner of conquests always writes history, and Zinn did some activism to make sure his rewrite of history would be the winner." Fixed it for you!

@fritobandito5374

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelkahn8903 Sure, why not? I'm from the barren pines.

I was in high school in Portland 2001-2005. My junior year history teacher used this book.

@nathanmorgan3647

2 жыл бұрын

You should demand your parent's money back, because they were jipped.

"Once I thought to write a history of the immigrants in America. Then I discovered that the immigrants were American history." Oscar Handlin

@violinhunter2

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder how much money this guy Zinn made from his books and where the money went.

@borninvincible

10 ай бұрын

@@violinhunter2 Which Zinn books have you read?

@violinhunter2

10 ай бұрын

@@borninvincible The Politics of History, A People's History, The Other Civil War, Artists in Times of War, and maybe one other but I can't remember. All of them were drivel written from a super-biased perspective. It's not so easy to be fair and balanced, to write without emotion. You know what Oscar said about books....

@borninvincible

10 ай бұрын

@@violinhunter2 thanks for the reply. I've only read peoples history, I am looking forward to reading the ones you mentioned.

Thank you! I started buying used textbooks covering the last 50 years trying to find exactly what went wrong. The history books begin to change, ever so slightly, adding an anti-American slant slowly. But I never seen this book. My kids, and grandkids weren’t allowed to bring home books because of “shortages”, but that’s not the truth at all. I’m seriously so grateful to have seen this video. I’m going to do whatever I can to get this propaganda removed from Washington Sanctuary-State schools. This explains so much, I’m so sad for those that haven’t been allowed to understand why I love my country so much.

@hosmerhomeboy

3 жыл бұрын

i too have watched it happen. i save old books

@unclejj13er75

3 жыл бұрын

Beware of Zinn. He is pushed by the major book dealers along with others like Chomsky. Ignorance is nearly endless.

@gemoftheocean

3 жыл бұрын

Please. "I never seen" is poor grammar. Correct usage is "I never saw." Or you can also say "I never have seen...." That said try finding Thomas Bailey's "The American Pageant" and its companion "The American Spirit." These were standard texts in many high schools pre-Zinn. I got my history degree before this Zinn nonsense was propagated.

@AleadaA

3 жыл бұрын

@@gemoftheocean I really do not like people using the name Karen as a sort of person but you, Karen really do fit the bill!

@tomthx5804

3 жыл бұрын

In the late 90's I started noticing all the books coming out had a strange anti American twist. If you read "The Closing of the American Mind" by Allan Bloom, written in 1986 he outlines the rot that had gotten into our universities. It blossomed in the 90's and all we got from our rotten universities was lie after lie. As a general rule, I learned that it was only helpful to read histories written before 1980. Because at that time, their goal was truthfulness and accuracy. After that point, things started bleeding into histories - lies, falsehoods, political slants, refusal to give all the facts.

I'm a college professor who has had his students read A People's History of the US and A Patriot's History of the US. I tell them that they are the judges of truth, don't just believe what you read. Determine truth through your own efforts. That's education

@chakaz19

3 жыл бұрын

What you say is exactly why the extreme right-wing is eager to repeal and replace Zinn's People's History with some sanitised history of American exceptionalism. Yes, do not believe what you read, but know that you are reading from biased sources of the right or left, then judge how much truth there is in the presentations, and who benefits and who is punished through out American history.

@vicoilsteems9764

3 жыл бұрын

By this post and the majority of comments you can see that the dumbing down of Americans is complete .

@wardog0327

3 жыл бұрын

@@vicoilsteems9764 There you are. The man who knows it all. Please enlighten us our savior!

@vicoilsteems9764

3 жыл бұрын

@@wardog0327🤣🤣 Trump loves you

@edwarddee8808

2 жыл бұрын

Professor, how are we supposed to know the truth about history unless we spend many years, read many books and become historians ourselves? That is the kind of effort required. As it is, we have your instruction for a couple of semesters. So why present such tendentious, biased, demonstrably flawed sources for us to wade through, deepening our confusion? Why not just be an honest, sincere teacher and guide us through what you believe to be true, backed with sources, and present to us the best of available knowledge? Then we can be judges of truth. As it is, with your assignments, I can only conclude that you are too lazy to compile a survey of trustworthy sources.

My daughter is in 8th grade. Her "history/civics" teacher uses Zinn's book. I had always heard he was a liar and was pissed that my teachers used it to teach me in the 1980s. But it really hits home when you see it being taught to your child. Aint Gonna Happen. I am constantly countering the total lies and BS taught here in Western Massachusetts area to my child. Its a cesspool of Marxist teachers in put public schools. Parents, I BEG you. TEACH YOUR KIDS THE TRUTH. For their sake, and for our country's sake.

@bighandg

Жыл бұрын

There's not one lie in the book. The only people that think there are have a hateful, narrow agenda.

@christocolumbus

Жыл бұрын

You are correct DN. Only Marxists, who hate America, hate capitalism (too weak to compete), want to lie so they can spread communism. She clearly shows how Zinn lies. How he twists words to fit his hate for Columbus, which is just another straw man attack on America. So what do haters do? They claim others are "hateful" and "narrow minded" with zero proof, classic tactic by Marxists. They always accuse others of what they are doing themselves.

@VAhistTeach

Жыл бұрын

I honestly NEVER heard of this guy. Was never taught from any of his books in K-12 or college. You say teach your kids the truth, but consider the alternative..... I began my education at a private school in Virginia where they used a book that was published for public schools from the 1950s until early 1970s. In it they stated such "TURTH" as slaves were happy and content on the plantations and that slavery "civilized" the black race.

@gg_rider

Жыл бұрын

@@VAhistTeach I'm quite sure slaves were happy on some plantations or smaller farms and very unhappy on others. Some people today like their jobs and some people hate their jobs. It was not as though there were ubiquitous job opportunities in the rural south, and not until industry began to seriously replace farming in northern states. (There was no occupational safety regulations for any industries until those were invented for conformity and compliance.) Many non slaves lived a rough and bare existence. Some slaves had a nightmare, some had a home. AS ANYONE WOULD EXPECT, because White people and Black people and other races are not a monolith. (There were opinions all over the spectrum from slavery to abolition and segregation to full integration.) Non other than Frederick Douglass said in 1859 that he preferred arguing with southern slave owners about liberty and justice over an option to have wealthy White Christians help Blacks set up their own new republic on the African continent, because of the "savage chiefs" that had brutalized "for ages". That means hundreds of years or thousands of years before European adventurers and merchants arrived. An obscure book, banned in the mainstream, is a collection of firsthand observations of early Christian missionaries to African villages. The brutality and tyranny surpasses most, if not all, of the American experience. Ritual blood sacrifice of hundreds of slaves to honor the god-chief. Blood of hundreds drained to float the late chief's cadaver. Head chopping, for ceremony, or for minor crimes like seeing the chief eating food, which would mean he was not a god. Africans also had a totally opposite view of the Dahomey depicted as heroically fighting the French, in Woman-King. By that time, the French were trying to abolish slavery and the Dahomey were trying to continue slavery. African historians and archeologists found jawbones that seemed to indicate that Dahomey removed those from living people they were conquering. More?

@borninvincible

10 ай бұрын

@@gg_rideryou sound like you would have owned slaves

This is chilling to hear how far along and deep this runs in our country today. It explains a lot for me. Thank you so much!

@DrCruel

2 жыл бұрын

It took decades of hard, dedicated work for the Left fascists to get to this point. Their methods are the same in virtually every society they choose to infiltrate, starting with the education process. Once they feel strong enough, they go for the arts and municipal politics next, particularly when it comes to how information is disseminated to the public. You'd think that Left fascists are mainly involved in criminal activities like drug smuggling, and you wouldn't be entirely wrong, but they always mix their criminal enterprises with attempts to gain control of the social order, particularly when it comes to how crime is prosecuted. Thus Antifa and BLM's transnational war on the police.

@doodleridoo9493

Жыл бұрын

What is really chilling is the fact that this book isn’t MANDATORY in every school even outside USA

Thank you for loving America and the founding principles of freedom enough to bring this to our attention and risking your own safety. You like our founders, have put your own life, liberty, fortunes and your sacred Honor.

@duaneelsbree3460

2 жыл бұрын

@First Last more fabrication, how scholarly.

Watched this TWICE and then bought the book TWICE. One to read and One to share.

@95percentair

3 жыл бұрын

LOL good for you!

@pendalink

2 жыл бұрын

@First Last So angry, try not to hurt yourself. Or anyone else for that matter...

@TheRealValus

Жыл бұрын

"A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him... When the military boot crushes his balls, then he will understand, but not before that." - Yuri Bezmenov

@freebird7017

Жыл бұрын

@Elizabeth Whitehouse yet you do, with each comment you post.

Love ya', Mary. I bought her book when it came out and even made my own KZread videos citing her book. I await her next book debunking this rabid Marxist 1619 Project.

@wildernessofzinn17

3 жыл бұрын

@joe jitsu Thanks, I reckon I'm my own worst enemy. Thanks for having my back :) I have another I am going to post soon.

Getting my BSEE my progressive history teacher used Howard Zinn's book. Problem for my teacher is that this 50 year old knew more history than she did.

@Homunculas

3 жыл бұрын

@First Last Give it up lil quixotic fanboy.

@josejaquez4100

2 жыл бұрын

@@Homunculas make an actual argument. If you believe you have a better grasp of the truth then share it.

@warriorfb2010

2 жыл бұрын

@@josejaquez4100 she gives plenty of arguments.. and it's very unfortunate that Howard Zinn ever lived

Hillsdale I enjoy many of your videos but would you please for the rest of us work on your audio? Louder please louder.

@lynnahola8378

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! My bluetooth speaker can only go so high 🙂

@sytrop

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!

The man who asks the question at 55:10 asks a question that cannot really be answered without reading the bible. It is simply part of humanity to not be good. Like Dennis Prager reminds us, we have to be taught to be good. If this man were raised by a liberal/progressive intellectual elitist, then he would still be intelligent, but it would take him perhaps another decade of his life to become conservative, if ever, and that is a lot of time wasted. But sometimes, the hardest lessons are the most precious to keep for life. David Horowitz has a remarkable story about his transition from lifetime card-carrying communist to conservative, and he was in his forties, already with wife and children, when he converted.

@peaknonsense2041

3 жыл бұрын

Prager's told US history is less than accurate as well

@concertatore7865

3 жыл бұрын

Horowitz "converted" because he saw more "Benjamin Franklins" on the horizon.

@peaknonsense2041

3 жыл бұрын

@First Last To fan boys who liked Good Will Hunting and never fact check his work, sure.

@Pet.Wifey.Voice.Of.Reason

3 жыл бұрын

@You are correct But We are creatures of duality created by a God who can only be as He is. We are given free will from the Eternal Realm that has no actual volition for Himself, as he is The Word. I happen to find that a beautiful gift. If you want to define people as inherently bad and nasty, then that is your deal with the devil, not mine.

@Pet.Wifey.Voice.Of.Reason

3 жыл бұрын

​@You are correct But Ah... yes, the ol' being a sinner is the same as being a bad person fallacy. If that is what you were taught in your Catholic School, then I'm sorry you were mislead by the nuns who were "Out there". There are untalented Christian teachers and I'm sorry you had to go through such silliness as a child. Truly, there is no excuse for Christian educators to be such basic bitches. Also, I feel as though you are rebelling because you seem to be creating drama where there should only be simple logic. What does it matter if I decide to jump off a building, or have tea, or do anything in the temporal realm and the decision is witnessed by The Eternal? Knowing about a happening doesn't change the nature of it. In the end, nothing is going to change the fact that I am the one who decided to do it! And yes, according to the Bible, God has interfered with the temporal. I do not know how that works, because only my soul is eternal, and it is stuck in the temporal, so I am blinded to what the eternal is for the moment. Like a person who lives on the equator cannot know what the cold feels like, I cannot know what the eternal feels like. That does not mean it cannot be known in some way, so Please don't respond. I have a feeling you are just like a woman in that you have to get the last word. I simply do not have time for you. I am sorry.

Thank you sooo much! two minutes of this, and I decide to learn more about Zinn

@dabbayoo

Жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you decided to learn to hate and divide!

@mombasa7

Жыл бұрын

He was a wonderful man

@joeyjoejoe314

9 ай бұрын

@@dabbayoo lol are you saying that this country isn't full of hate and divide? 🤣

Zinn's book was used in teaching history at the US Coast Guard academy. Fortunately there were complaints by parents. I also understand it was banned was state universities in Indiana.

No wonder the nation is a mess! When I came to the USA in 1999, I was given his book. I read a few pages and tossed it in the garbage. As a person interested in historiography, I knew it was propaganda.

“Howard Zinn was the chicken. A communist chicken.”

@adrianthornton8288

3 жыл бұрын

Really? you do know he served during World War two I assume...

@photohounds

3 жыл бұрын

They will taste like chickens, VIOLENT, cruel chickens.

@stellarjayatkins4749

3 жыл бұрын

@@adrianthornton8288 So what?

@terrygain1343

3 жыл бұрын

@@adrianthornton8288 Mary Grabar said Zinn served in WWII. Are you not listening to her lecture?

1619 project is propped up by open society foundation which is a soros company

@crazyfx5242

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! But lets not ignore the fact that George Soros DID read and was a big fan of Howard..

@adrijan6510

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I must admit I am shocked to hear that Zinn's book has grown in popularity years after I put it in a garage sale for nothing. My mistake as I, someone who is not a Historian, saw the many many holes in his fabrication. My regret is not marking them, as i could have marked many of them. That said, I do believe that more speech, is the best disinfectant.

@francisgilson4429

3 жыл бұрын

This is what happens when the DOE indoctrination and propaganda are met by uninformed, uneducated and ignorant parents and students.

@veritasiumaequitasius3530

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. The only speech that should be hindered is over calls to violence, and even then it is sometimes justified.

@salcolonsc

3 жыл бұрын

Should have recycled it, or burn it.

@stellarjayatkins4749

3 жыл бұрын

Why did you sell it?? Should have just burned it.

@christopherfield1748

3 жыл бұрын

@@stellarjayatkins4749 I don't burn Books. Bad precedence and Karma.

Were the conservatives fighting back - where were they? I used to listen to Zinn and others from the radical left, I enjoyed the lectures on the radio. I found nothing like these lectures and information from Conservatives. President Trump is the first conservative I have followed who is concerned about the working class and the fact our jobs left for China and other 3rd world nations. President Trump was not blaming the greed of the working class for this. I see now that Conservative values are my values and that lower taxes and deregulation with less government control really works. President Trump concerns himself with the welfare of the working class and raising people out of poverty and tis is why I am now a conservative!

@cckid81

3 жыл бұрын

Good question. During the Cold War period I would say that the most, and perhaps only, prominent conservative intellectual counterpoint came from William F. Buckley Jr. and his magazine National Review and tv show Firing Line. Other than him I would look at Milton Friedman and F.A. Hayek, and later Thomas Sowell of economic and racial matters. The problem is that the academy did not lionize any of these people as they did Zinn and Chomsky.

@millycarmichael9331

Жыл бұрын

how well did that comment age??

I gotta watch this. I took my son out of IB history because they were teaching Zinn.

@leighanne3266

3 жыл бұрын

Smart move! Parents need to know what is going on in the classroom. We must be present for school board meetings. God help us all if Biden wins. This poison will get much much worse.

@annbrucepineda8093

3 жыл бұрын

Zinn and his followers turn children against their parents. Even the kindest become condescending and disrespectful of their parents.

@stephanieknows1668

3 жыл бұрын

Good for you! Years ago, I did something similar with a required book in English. I didn't have to take him out of the course, though. When I refused to allow him to read a sexually-explicit book involving the rape of a girl, the teacher said he could read a different book. I didn't like that my child would have to be singled out like that, but he understood. And in the end, from my talking to parents and a friend of his voluntarily switching to the alternative, it was at least 4 of them in the separate group. // But that Zinn book? It's like giving a child poison. It's great that you took a stand, and your son will be better off for it.

@gerjerry99

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man, I did IB History a few years back and we never touched upon Zinn, or any revisionist history in that vein for that matter. Is your son still doing IB?

@georger64

3 жыл бұрын

It‘s a book that should be read. And then rigidly scrutinized and critically discussed, which is what‘s missing in it being “taught“. Ideas and narratives must be debunked. Just look at how they‘re rolling back the 1619 Project.

Excellent.

Primary sources are so important and highlights the need for teaching cursive

Incredible! Just mind boggling!???

This explains so much of what is going on now. Will let everyone I know about this many homeschoolers churches etc. we all need to get the word out about Zinns influences Thank you so much for what you’ve done and may God keep you safe as you fight the good fight

@dforbes8783

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe he insists on truth

@dontbelieveeverythingyouth8173

2 жыл бұрын

@@dforbes8783 Maybe "he's" a she?

@michaelaronson5014

2 жыл бұрын

@@dontbelieveeverythingyouth8173 I believe that D Forbes is referring to Zinn. I don't think Howard Zinn identified as a "she".

I never heard of H. Z. before this lecture. I had no idea he had this much influence over the country. "He who controls the past..."

@josejaquez4100

2 жыл бұрын

Zinn is an historian. Grabar is not.

@blizzard2oo

Жыл бұрын

Zinn's bona fides are so questionable. His twisted morals have destroyed our public education system from top to bottom and have corrupted post secondary as well. I first came upon his influence destroying education in America in the book "Seven Miracles that Saved America". Seven Miracles is a book I would highly recommend.

@blizzard2oo

Жыл бұрын

@@josejaquez4100 Zinn portrays America with his focus only on certain ugly segments of American history. He was clearly no true friend to all the good America has done. He tells lies and twists the truth to abuse the minds of young Americans. Communism, fascism, socialism : pick your poison. Zinn succeeded in implanting critical philosophy in virtually every university in America.

@cliffcampbell8827

Жыл бұрын

@Jeff Whitman You totally misinterpreted the point I was trying to make...and I have heard of Noam, you're not as smart as you think you are.

@jakebate1533

Жыл бұрын

@@josejaquez4100 Zinn is a polemicist. His version of History promotes a victimhood mentality and poisons American Patriotism.

I used this in college. And I realized that it was a work of fiction. My history essays were fiction. It was freeing to not be restricted to reality. 😂😂😂

@nak807

3 жыл бұрын

This isn't a SJW writing you. Really I'm not. Just curious if you can name one fact in his book that isn't true?

@donnyboon2896

3 жыл бұрын

@@nak807 - The US did not wage genocide against the native American population. Every time the army massacred natives, officers were arrested and put on trial. And if you read her book, she will detail the lies for you.

@nak807

3 жыл бұрын

@@donnyboon2896 Hey Donny. Thanks for the reply. I always thought that Andrew Jackson committed genocide in the from of sterilization of Indians. I looked for evidence of this and can't find any. I thought maybe donny's right zin must have made it up. But I searched for this in zinn's book having not read " the peoples history" in over decade, and can't find any reference to sterilization. Not sure where I got that from, but it doesn't look as though Zinn accused the american government of genocide against Indians. I'd have to reread the book to be sure but the only reference to genocide I found was in reference to coulombs. The senseless killing of Indians doesn't count as genocide so I think you've got a point there. But on your other point "Every time army massacred natives they were put on trial" You've structured your grammar in such a way that I only need one example to prove you wrong which is very easy. The massacre at wounded knee didn't result in a trial of any kind. Court inquiry yes, but not a trial. Donny, can you name anyone who was put to death for killing Indians say, before the year 1900? My point in asking you this is to highlight the fact that there seems to be some need to believe the US government was pure or better than other governments. I get the impression that you and a lot of the people in the comments are flag wavers who worship their nationality. If you're not an immigrant you don't have any reason to be proud of your nationality since you didn't do anything to earn it. This woman's book is the other extreme to Marxist crackpots in universities. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

@donnyboon2896

3 жыл бұрын

@@nak807 - Yes, I've thought about this since our last interaction. The problem with Zinn is that there is no passage of time. Everything is in the now. If Andrew Jackson did something evil, America is evil. He does not see America as bettering itself. When America was formed in 1776, slavery was legal world wide. England didn't ban slavery until 1835. We fought a Civil War over slavery. We have been progressing since our founding. My lesbian daughter can now be legally married to her girlfriend if they decide to do so. But in Zinn's slanted teaching, we cannot reform. We cannot make ourselves better. I reject that wholeheartedly.

@nak807

3 жыл бұрын

@@donnyboon2896 well said.

This peoples history is horrifying and subversive!!!

This is a horrible defamation of zy’s character. I Found all of his work inspirational and eye-opening. She is clearly uninformed. Being patriotic is knowing the truth of our nation whether it’s good or bad. This lady should be ashamed of herself. It’s unfortunate that Zin isn’t here to defend himself. RIP. There are so many flaws with our educational system that he pointed out in his books. Of course it would not be in the best interest for those in Power of our government and educational system for these truths to come out. I wonder how much money she received while doing this.

@poornanandads7472

Жыл бұрын

This woman speaks utter rubbish.

@Boxerdonttestme

Жыл бұрын

@King Neb you started something that you can’t undo troll. I’ll be watching you.

@ryannada1987

Жыл бұрын

The problem is these right wing business interest spokespersons sound stupid. There is no way she is more intelligent or honest than Howard Zinn. No freaking way. It’s obvious.

Thankyou, I've looked for videos on the validity of Howard Zinn's writings before but couldn't find anything.

@jolidrzazgowski1577

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting that 8th graders are learning it in Portland. That explains a lot.

@EruditetheOne

3 жыл бұрын

You didn't look hard

@EruditetheOne

3 жыл бұрын

How about actually picking up a book and looking at the work cited from one of his books

@mainehome2678

3 жыл бұрын

@@EruditetheOne good lord calm down. He's a hack I get it.

@EruditetheOne

3 жыл бұрын

The point was you're a hack

I graduated High School in 1976. I took some College classes later in life. I am so blessed to have missed this Zinn-brainwashing teaching. 🙏🇺🇸

@antoniod

3 жыл бұрын

I graduated HS in 1978, but I was already hearing Zinn-style things from my teacher there!

I need to get your book, Mary. Is Zinn also responsible for making it illegal to teach Christmas Carol's to children, so that each year a choral teacher gas to scratch around for ugly and shallow secular Christmas music. Secular Christmas music is basically ugly. I hummed Silent Night to a room full of first graders. None of them knew what I was humming. And it was against the rules to teach the song with the words. There is more than I have energy to tell. I'm exhausted from watching this evil.

So Dzokhar Tsarnaev, one of the Boston Marathon bombers, "learned from Howard Zinn" and had a history teacher who was a good friend of Zinn's. Wow.

@silentumexcubitor6747

Жыл бұрын

Tsarnaev Bros. were dupes & patsies....Boston Marathon "bombing" was 100% FALSE FLAG....

No matter what our history is teaching us.... unfortunately it has had no effect on the corruption at every level of government. Most politicians are there for themselves and not to serve. Maybe we should try to fix today more so than worry about the past. I believe we should always question the motives of our government. Power corrupts and without oversight it will do it real fast.

Impressive! Zinn launches an ideological torpedo which hits it’s target and explodes some ten years after his death. Now he was a man who had the courage of his convictions. He was a man who was not content to accept the salute ‘you’ve done your Country a service, son’ when he suspected, and subsequently personally ascertained, that the campaigns he served in had done little to fight Fascism, his motive for volunteering, and much to further the cause of gratuitous misery. So, he was biased, and had an agenda: who doesn’t? Many just don’t know it. Now, 1619, Columbus (actually 1492), Lee, Grant and Lincoln is something of an overreaction, but is that really why? Is that really what is going on? America lost the chance to fully emancipate the Blacks in 1945, after they had earned their freedom through honourable military service. (I suspect this was due to the guilt felt by many Whites in the South who had taken part in lynchings: some sort of denial.) 1968 was too late! Now as it happens, I have a rather negative view of where Western Civilisation is going, but is a natural consequence of the calibre of political and moral leadership the Western people’s have voted for since 1945. However, fair play and chivalry: his intellectual dishonesty simply blends into the background of Western public discourse, with a neutered Press, a partisan Tech. Media oligarchy, and the spirit of Madison Avenue.

@friendlyone2706

3 жыл бұрын

After the Civil War, the north lost its willingness to continue fighting. Grant repeatedly sent troops to defend the Black vote (very unpopular among families that had already lost too many sons and fathers). Lincoln's vice president Johnson was a southern democrat---chosen to get more votes as Lincoln's abolitionist stance was unpopular in the south. Because of pro-slavery supreme court justices appointed before Lincoln and Johnson's choices, laws were poorly enforced. (Johnson, of course, became president when Lincoln was assassinated.) Between 1865 and 1900, troops were often sent into the south to enforce laws, the KKK was losing power. Even in the South the post office and other federal departments became fully integrated. Then a few years later racist Woodrow Wilson became president, and for all practical purposes southern blacks lost the vote, all those troops Grant sent into the south defending voting rights and the southern republicans hung for helping register black voters, all that became lost until Truman and Eisenhower started the return to where we were in the 1870's. This time, it finally took.

@grayarcana

3 жыл бұрын

@@friendlyone2706 Thankyou, Fran, for your well informed reply. I knew little of this: I know Longstreet dipped out on the statues because he tried to make things work. Well, at least he had no statue to get hurt being pulled down. The problem you have is that even in expansion, the economy is not opening up diverse opportunities in commerce and industry where most everybody can get some work, adequately paid, and paths open up for advancement, through work related study programmes, to the highest levels. This is where you were in 1945. Now, returning manufactures will be highly automated and even AI controlled: the requirement for labour will be limited, and the specialist millwright and engineers will need training and qualification before entry. Raising some chosen black people to the affluent classes, some very able, some evidently not, doesn’t do much for a mother with a son on death row (and yes, in terms of individual justice, the man himself may find little fault with the sentence, probably having killed another black man), but there is clearly some systematic process at work concentrating homicide in the black and other minority populations. It does nothing for the single black mother bussed far and early, to work long and late, before trying to be a mother. This is not social justice. Social justice may not easily reconcile with individual justice in Common law, and in Canon law. However, there are occult forces (take that in one sense or another), funding BLM, guiding surreptitiously the agenda, that care little for their pawns. BLM and Antifa activists, are, I am gathering, in no small part drawn from highly privileged young White people.

@friendlyone2706

3 жыл бұрын

@@grayarcana There is more to "manufacturing" than working for big companies. You would be amazed how many small-scale 2 to 20 men specialized shops there are. Some of these independent shop owners have KZread videos. Look up welders, plumbers, mechanical engineers, C & C, blacksmiths, electricians, carpenters finish & mainframe, tinkerers of all types... Most are unable to grow as much as they like because of the difficulty of finding people. Meanwhile, many ideal candidates are racking up student debt getting worthless degrees. We are talking very good paying jobs that often morph into very, very good paying self-employment and a sense of satisfaction with daily life too few people achieve on a daily basis. Mike Rowe of Dirty Jobs fame has brought a few of these small manufacturing opportunities to light. AI is boon to all these people. Computer programing + tool + imagination + deep learning = tables, artwork, home appliances, heating systems, gardening techniques, fluid transfer systems... People are judged on their uniqueness of vision, skill and attention to detail plus their willingness to teach and share. We are living in an age of knowledge sharing and AI application that is beyond revolutionary and most of academia is 100% blind to it, and too many young people undervalue because they have been trained to be as blind as TV producers and traditional educators. Don't say it is not in your town until you have looked. Bet you will be surprised. Regards black income. People who marry before 1st child is born (even if only a day) and both parents have a high school diploma, ALL have about the same income level. Father missing? Poverty almost always. Too many young woman today are taught it is not worth the effort to civilize their men. What they don't understand is the sweet old grandpa and grandma---grandma worked at civilizing him into an adult. Boys just naturally go crazy between the ages of 12 and 25, undoing much of the work their mothers tried to do (but takes a father to finish), that's why wives find themselves "mothering" their men, making them finish growing up, finish becoming men. It is hard work. For both the husband and the wife. In the 1970's first black women, then increasingly all women, were told to not work at making their men grow up, just kick the bum out at the first problem. Yes, there are a few really bad apples, but most are diamonds in the rough wanting to be polished, wanting---NEEDING---someone to believe they are worth polishing. To become a man their children can look up to. If they become that stable man; if the woman becomes "rooted" with that stable man, they will both become the type of person that independent small-time manufacturing desperately needs, and most are EAGER to train in their profession. It is a good life, one that is experiencing an EXTREME LABOR SHORTAGE. VERY EXTREME in all 50 states.

@grayarcana

3 жыл бұрын

@@friendlyone2706 Well, thankyou for that. You are well informed. In England we also have a structure where much of the employment is with small firms. American recovery will depend upon Government protecting, cultivating and encouraging the small manufacturer, farmer, and repairer. Now as an engineer myself, I went on to study economics and law: I would thoroughly endorse a craft or trade based education, but the working people need some degree of real, liberal education, and continuing access to real news, to understand their interest and whether those interests are being furthered. The big manufacturers who went offshore, on returning, will not require the quantum and quality of labour that was the case. Your social problems need economic opportunity and development that engages very broad classes of the people in ways which provide adequate to thoroughly good remuneration. There are deep cultural issues, but your general perspective is sound.

@geraldodozapzap6610

Жыл бұрын

This video also has a clear biased columbus was preety open os his goals and even the spanish crown at the time tought he was too brutal kzread.info/dash/bejne/c62WpbeqccXFYqg.html

How many people commenting have read Zinn’s book? I haven’t. But I ordered a copy and will read it before I judge it. I was prompted to order a copy for myself as I listened to the disgust in the voice of this speaker. When I hear that in a speaker’s comments, it immediately calls into question (at least for me) the wisdom and judgement of the speaker. UPDATE 8/19/22. I now own a copy of Zinn’s book and Ms. Grabar’s book. One piece of advice to Ms. Grabar: if you could remove the emotion from your talks, it will help your cause. And when you’re right, you don’t need that kind of emotion in your presentations. The emotion detracts, it doesn’t add to what you’re trying to communicate. My best to you, and thank you for your work.

Hillsdale. An observation, the sound is a little too low for people in their homes listening to this as we go about our work, and care of children. If you ever repost this please attempt to raise the level of sound, otherwise the sound is excellent. I have a personal reason for understanding the excellence of the sound on this video, excellent sound professionals are essential. On a more positive side I am very grateful for the opportunity to listen to this woman and that Hillsdale is bringing this information to the public, very grateful. Thank you. God bless you all their at Hillsdale and your efforts to educating Americans and the world.

Interesting but I didn't like the "cited holocaust denying historian" as a form of discrediting, because that's sort of loaded. Even if it can be said they're wrong about the holocaust, it wouldn't necessarily mean everything they've said on it is false, or that their work on other topics are all necessarily incorrect.. so that came off as an attempt at guilt by association.

@whitepanties2751

Жыл бұрын

If they are a holocaust denier, they are either very ignorant of history, or lying out of Nazi sympathy and therefore probably racism. Either way, they are unlikely to be a good guide to history.

@resolutionarybeing1885

Жыл бұрын

This woman also makes slurs about Portland, Oregon, -as if everyone living there is of one unacceptable mind set. Careless generalizations on her part.

Consider that Zinn identified himself as an anarchist, not a Marxist. Of course him saying that could be the toxic culture surrounding Marxist dialogue, and he was indeed a covert Marxist.

@kreek22

3 жыл бұрын

Anarchist or Marxist--he had nothing constructive to contribute to American thought, culture, or politics.

@williamwalker1264

3 жыл бұрын

So what, I can "identify" myself as anything I want too but what I do I think is more important.

@jasonlambert2226

3 жыл бұрын

Wiki bs labels him a Democrat Socialist. Go figure.

@maddogx55

Жыл бұрын

@@kreek22 do you think American foreign policy has ever been immoral? Do you think American is the greatest country in the world?

@kreek22

Жыл бұрын

​@@maddogx55 1. Yes. 2. It's difficult to choose between the world's 3 remaining nations. All 3 are authoritarian and destructive.

Howard Zinn died in 2010 and Grabar published her book in 2019 while here we are in 2023. What have seen in the years since Zinn died? By 2022, a war in Iraq which lasted more than 15 years. A war in Afghanistan that lasted 20 years only to see a classic cut and run fail by both Trump and Biden. Less than 4 months later, the U.S. began operating a proxy war against Russia in the Ukraine along with increasing war drum beating by the U.S. neocons against China. I wonder who might have a better grip on the realities of American history? Zinn or Grabar?

People can be brainwashed out of common sense... my son is so educated but his common sense has disappeared....

I recently discovered as a homeschooling family that there is a whole new curriculum that was released not long ago based entirely on Zinn and promoting "African American History" called Woke History. This concerns me greatly since it is being promoted as a loving, truthful account of American history even within the families. It makes sense as to what we are seeing since it has been taught long enough in our country that the younger generations (haha! 40 and under) have been taught this junk. I have seen it in my own education past and in the minds of friends and family members.

@JoannaWagnerClaireSangre

2 жыл бұрын

I'm 66. I learned the traditional history during my K - 12 education as well as my university studies. My field was economics but I took lots of history because I liked. I started to learn things that were left out of my education. When I stumbled on Zenn missing pieces of the puzzle fell into place. People in power aren't very nice.

@FiremarshalM1

Жыл бұрын

@@JoannaWagnerClaireSangre this was an even assessment. I want all of history taught. The good, the bad & the ugly. Dehumanizing a group for the crimes of ancestors or asking them to atone for sins they didn't commit while ignoring the current genocides or that there are currently 30million people enslaved around the world is a bad life plan.

@trm3177

Жыл бұрын

Love ❤

@dan32113

Жыл бұрын

American was founded on genocide & slavery. Irrefutable fact

@VAhistTeach

Жыл бұрын

I am 50 and was NEVER taught any of this "junk". However I do remember hearing about how there were many "good slave masters" and how the slaves were happy and content on the plantations.

I need to buy your book for my son in hopes it will wake him up from his brainwashed state of mind by Howard Zinn..

I read the Zinn book .i thought it was good but now thinking back on it wellll............not so good

I'd just like to point out that the speaker is not a historian, doesn't not hold a degree in history, and has never held a teaching position in history. She's an English teacher.

Thank you. Can anyone name anything Betsy DeVos has done to improve education ad the Secretary of Education? Anything?

@patty7804

2 жыл бұрын

Yep she never made parents out to be terrorist like the Biden administration

@DariceDavisjprocks94

Жыл бұрын

She has left the position? Not to be a flip talker, but that is all that comes to mind. She was typically elitist in her approach to the federal department she headed and to the position she held as to be blinded to what she did nit know, and to formulate and execute self-taught plans to correct the holes in her education.

How do we remove this cp propaganda it's even taught in

@kimkyle8607

3 жыл бұрын

Southcarolina

@leighanne3266

3 жыл бұрын

It seriously everywhere... My 4th grade son's state history book was loaded with it. We live in the heartland. Check your kid's book now

Instead of Zinn's History...read Paul Johnson's History of the American People.

Columbus was not from italy but from portugal, the evidence strongly points at that direction. He was also part of a wealthy jewish portuguese family. His children never new his real name, they apparently asked him before dying, but he never told them. Spain wanted monopoly over the sea trade to and from the "new world". It was planned. There are so many things that are not told anywhere about his travels, his life and the real reasons for his journeys. The crown of spain is responsible for the extermination of millions of lifes and hundreds if not thousands of cultures just to gain power.

So really what we need is a course that outlines and streamlines in an accessible way to regular people the flaws in zinns book. So that students can learn how to separate history from fiction and how to research and find the history for themselves.

@i-h8-democrats

2 жыл бұрын

I know this comment is old but the public indoctrination camps will never go against the party line and allow students to see the lies in zinns books. They can't have people thinking for themselves or we would have a ton more Republicans.

@tinamariejohnson7520

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I’m thinking. I homeschool my kids, I’m thinking the best thing to do is to introduce Zinn to them in an effort to not have them blindsided and influenced.

@georgejo7905

2 жыл бұрын

maybe make it into suppositories for full absorption

I listened to this woman for 40 minutes raging against Zin's writings...but never once did she cite clear evidence of Zinn's errors or misuse of historical documents. I'm willing to hear both sides.... but she just rants on and on implying how dangerous Zinn's writings (and his followers) are. I find Zinn's views interesting and consider it worth considering, as well as considering differing viewpoints from others, but this woman provides no data/information...just verbal 'hand wringing' about the influence Zin has had. In short, she's quite lame in my view.

@alfredvent9049

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong... she did an expose on Zin’s distorting the writings of Columbus..

@aedressler

3 жыл бұрын

While Zinn bad-mouths the US, he lacks context of the time and comparison to other countries and cultures. He zeroes in on ones flaws while ignoring other far worse places. That's what critical theorists do. Complain, complain, complain...but never leave for greener pastures...because they don't exist

@mileshalpern9320

2 жыл бұрын

@@aedressler When he was my professor, he was left out of school documents and considered a subversive. Today, Boston University is the proud host to Ibram X. Kendi. What does that tell you? It tells me Zinn's radicalism which once had some purpose has morphed into "mission accomplished" plus the path to far-left insanity. They don't know when to stop.

@raul7457

2 жыл бұрын

I personally haven’t confirmed this but I’ve been told Zinns “peoples history” doesn’t have any cited sources or even footnotes if Mary’s book does that should tell you who’s probably more credible on the topic of historical truth

@devin_3875

Жыл бұрын

Hi! You wrote this comment re: Howard Zinn a while ago, but I really appreciated the spirit of it. Particularly, your expression of openness to hearing “both sides”. I’ve been listening to a bunch of audiobooks by Thomas Sowell, lately, and I’ve been enjoying his work SO much. Again and again, when reading Sowell, I keep thinking: “How is it I’ve never heard the strongest case on the other side of this argument?!” For me: Sowell is an AWESOME place to go to hear a well made case for “the other side of an argument”. The book Black Rednecks and White Liberals might be a fun place to start - you can find the audiobook if you search for it on youtube. :)

Now I know why they left a certain local icon alone. Just look up this song: Can I tell you something, Got to tell you one thing If you expect the freedom, That you say is yours, Prove that you deserve it, Help us to preserve it Or being free will just be, Words and nothing more

An episode of the 50s TV series I LED THREE LIVES was about a little Girl who believed the "Rich White Men" theory of the American Revolution.

There should be internet video cameras in every public school classroom in the nation. This way parents my monitor what transpires as education in our publicly supported schools.

@bozidarsicel3884

Жыл бұрын

That's great idea. Long live Staljinizam. Even Stalin didn't come with such moronic idea!

@BernieHollandMusic

Жыл бұрын

along with surveillance cameras to track your every move. . .

@writerightmathnation9481

Жыл бұрын

And in your home bathroom.

@imout671

Жыл бұрын

The absence of leftists propaganda is still not a proper education. Wisdom & morales from a biblical point of view produced our founders and a lot of great thinkers from our past.

I regret that I did not read this book when they were in HS. Do not trust schools to chose the best option for your kids.

51:20 time stamp: excellent question AND excellent answer

@randyjero4664

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

This is the most informative short essay about Columbus I have ever read. 1. In the 1800s, Columbus was denigrated by Protestants, who raised awareness of the Vikings, because Columbus represented the power of the Catholic Church. 2. Columbus at almost every step, took care to defend the Taino Indians, their rights, their property. He had hanged 2 Spaniards who led the abuse and killing of the Indians. He believed it was morally okay to kill or enslave the cannibals on neighboring islands. Columbus had many kind and respectful words to describe the great Chief he encountered, the kind people, the children playing. MORE: www.nas.org/academic-questions/32/1/rembering_columbus_blinded_by_politics

Howard Zinn’s book is taught on almost every college campus. The man had a hate for the middle working class.

@nathanmorgan3647

2 жыл бұрын

Most communists do.

@mileshalpern9320

2 жыл бұрын

He was a man of his time. Other than the fact that he was my professor which was not a big deal to me at the time, I know the brand. The brand is dying out and actually had some purpose decades ago. Mission Accomplished are two words the old American left can't grasp.

@johnschuh8616

Жыл бұрын

Marx himself has such feelings. A racinated Jew, he had had both against disown religious tradition but, after a short stint as a Christian, as a hatred of Evangelicals, typified by Wilberforce. Lincoln called Wilberforce the greatest man of the century and the moral revolution he and his friends effected in British social created Victorianism, and the ideals that actuated the European middle class.

@csmith7404

5 ай бұрын

Anyone who thinks that is incredibly thick. His book teaches why the working class is being oppressed. He championed the working class.

@love_4_life865

4 ай бұрын

@@csmith7404 umm, quite the opposite. It’s the most grotesque kind of gaslighting to make such a statement. He mocked the middle class and tossed words like colonialism around as if it was the result of middle class culture. The man was either grossly out of touch or truly sinister. I believe it’s the latter. He defends the British monarchy during the war of independence! He paints the monarchy as the typical savior and even quotes the monarch’s propaganda! He thinks those that wanted to free themselves from the monarchy were enslaved to the “capitalistic” system and even tried to paint capitalism as tangling little carrots that lure fools into this “oppressive system”. The man was literally describing “handouts” in a socialized system! LOL! Talk about being “thick”?! He was so condescending towards the middle class! Painted the middle class as colonialism as the man defends the monarch and all its imperialism! These marxists with their double speak…..it’s truly sickening! You may need to read his book again….without the opinion of a Marxist professor. I bet you had to write paper after paper in college like I did. My professor had a love/hate relationship with me bc I wasn’t afraid to call out the man’s BS and I aced every paper…..not bc I was good with arguments but bc I did my homework and happen to love US History! I am a first generation American and my family fled the very kind of oppression Mr. Zinn seemed to salivate over. His ignorance and arrogance would have made him an infamous redcoat!

A couple of politicians took their oath of office on Zinns book? Interesting choice.

Ego maniacs will fight to be admired, looked up to and be followed regardless if what they are formatting is even in agreement with themselves.

The speaker is a reference specimen for the fact that intelligence and wisdom rarely go hand in hand.

The teachers that are organizing to fight to keep CRT are also pushing to further or to expand Zinn's education curriculum.

I was apolitical until my college years. While in college I was assigned Howard Zinn's book by my history professor. He was the kind of professor who allowed open conversation. In fact we even had a debate regarding the use of the N-word which would never be allowed to happen today. Even back then I stated how it is hypocritical to allow the use based on race. That you were engaging in racism if you allowed race to dictate freedom of speech. Anyway, I read the book and having limited knowledge on history (was more interested in the sciences), I was completely taken in. It was the first time I had heard what was presented as, the voices of the conquered peoples who had been silenced. Around college age is typically when people begin to rebel in an effort to find their own unique voice and place in the world so this kind of presentation was very interesting. I mean we all feel like we are oppressed under the tyrannical rule of our parents so it is easy to identify with a silenced and abused minority. This book was the beginning of a long path to indoctrination. Thankfully my pursuit of science would be the only thing to snap me out of it. When I began to see my leftist friends saying and believing things that were not provable and even anti-science I began to question my beliefs. The emergence of the SJW was my red pill. Fast forward to today and I am no longer a Democrat and can see plainly that they are nothing more than a bunch of crooks who spread disinformation and hate in an attempt to gain money and power. I have to credit the SJW movement and Obama as well as my education in the sciences for helping me see the truth. I should also mention that my studies of the Holocaust and Nazi propaganda also opened my eyes to how people can be fooled en masse and that the most effective propaganda always contains some truths. I am glad to see that there are others out there who are helping uncover the truth of what is going on in our schools and put an end to the indoctrination going on in it's halls.

@NoPrivateProperty

3 жыл бұрын

restricting hate speech is designed to protect you from getting killed after running your mouth. you should have the sense not to say something, that you know you never would, without big brother government to protect you from the backlash of the superior black man. sports and pornography offer concrete evidence that the white man must submit to his natural superior

@NoPrivateProperty

3 жыл бұрын

@@sburgos9621 I've been locked in jail, and I've never seen the lone white racist superhero that you are pretending to be. Why don't you post a video of yourself using racial slurs around strong young men. maybe I'll believe you

Thank you!

You can not have an accurate picture of history without a view of political history.

The plagiarism comments were concerning so I downloaded her book (illegally). I did a keyword search for "plagiar," which comes up five times: Once in a blurb, once to mention popular historians like Doris-Kearns Goodwin and Stephen Ambrose, twice when reciting AHA's standards of scholarship, and once on the last page (before the Acknowledgements). Where are the goods? Someone writing on Amazon: "Very poor work. There are well written concerns regarding Zinn but unfortunately this is not one of them. My main concern is this book makes outrageous claims, such as accusations of plagiarism by Zinn of large portions of his book (from his own friends apparently), without bothering to cite any real evidence for such claims that attack his character and credibility. Even what is put forth is just careless. The book claims that because similar source material was used by several historians they must have therefore plagiarized. This displays a poor understanding of the nature of historical citations and history in general."

@debblouin

2 жыл бұрын

Did you read her book? No, you downloaded illegally and used keyword search. Why would anyone accept your claims?

@debblouin

2 жыл бұрын

Amazon reviews for Grabar’s book are overwhelmingly positive, and the people lauding the book in the preface don’t appear to be cranks, indeed they appear to be well respected academics.

@debblouin

2 жыл бұрын

Oh and the copy and paste of a one-star review that happens to appear at the top of that page doesn’t inspire a great deal of confidence in your objectivity. Or...wait...did you write that review???

@dashrirprock

2 жыл бұрын

@@debblouin Pretty pathetic, Debbie. I'm asking for the goods. A much more effective response on your part would involve producing, y'know, the actual evidence. I did take her claim seriously enough to download the book (illegally) and conduct key word searches. Since you're a fan, you should be able to provide the page numbers. I look forward to it. Also, nobody has to take my word for it, but the burden of proof rests with the person making the claim. That's, um, elementary. You're not very good at this, are you?

"A communist chicken." hahahaha great

I’m stunned.

We have to read Zinn for history class at my college and I was literally thinking to myself how much his work sounds very biased

Thanks for this talk because i did not know this about Zinn’s book so I am grateful for Mary Grabar addressing this!

Hillsdale's version of U.S. history sounds great! How much does it cost to go there?

This may be too long but I can’t post a link. If anyone thinks Zinn is a true scholar, here is the bibliography for his book copied from an available pdf download: This book, written in a few years, is based on twenty years of teaching and research in American history, and as many years of involvement in social movements. But it could not have been written without the work of several generations of scholars, and especially the current generation of historians who have done immense work in the history of blacks, Indians, women, and working people of all kinds. It also could not have been written without the work of many people, not professional historians, who were stimulated by the social struggles around them to put togedier material about the lives and activities of ordinary people trying to make a better world, or just trying to survive. "To indicate every source of information in the text would have meant a book impossibly cluttered with footnotes, and yet I know the curiosity of the reader about where a startling fact or pungent quote comes from. Therefore, as often as I can, I mention in the text authors and titles of books for which the full information is in this bibliography. Where you cannot tell the source of a quotation right from the text, you can probably figure it out by looking at the asterisked books for that chapter. The asterisked books arc those I found especially useful and often indispensable. I have gone through the following standard scholarly periodicals: American Historical Review, Mississippi Valley Historical Review, Journal of American History, Journal of Southern History, Journal of Negro History, Labor History, William and Mary Quarterly, Phylan, The Crisis, American Political Science Review, Journal of Social History. Also, some less orthodox hut important periodicals for a work like this: Monthly Review, Science and Society, Radical America, Akivemme Notes, Signs: Journal of Women in Culture and Society, The Black Scholar, Bulletin of Concerned Asian Scholars, The Review of Radical Political Economics, Socialist. Revolution, Radical History Review.

@casteretpollux

Жыл бұрын

Just started to listen to Zinn speaking on US exceptionalism- he openly said he was citing a Bush statement "which may not be true". No Marxist historian would make stuff up like that. My guess is that Zinn was used by THE C ia

I think maybe some commenters here are over estimating the influence of the Zinn book. I'm 60 and I never heard of Zinn until I was in my 40s. I read the 20th century edition of his history. But it's only one book. Surely serious students of American history will read much more than this.

@jorgf288

Жыл бұрын

americans reads about history?

If I had any previous reluctance to generally believe the accuracy of Zinn’s book, Grabar’s right-wing blather has dispelled any doubts. Lots of innuendo and very little substance, if any.

@arstudents

2 жыл бұрын

Bingo.

I am 20 minutes into this video and am still waiting for factual debunking. The effects on our society, and how bad they are, are a matter of opinion. I would love to hear more "Zinn states this in his book _____, and here are facts that disprove that..." but for 22 minutes now all I have heard is opinion. For something presenting as a scholarly discussion on how inaccurate Zinn is, I am very surprised. While typing this, she stated "the idea that governments represent dominant corporate interests" is a "theory put out in 1913" that has been "repeatedly debunked." Does government not ever represent dominant corporate interests? That has been debunked? Also, wow, one person came up that "idea"? In 1913. Government and its relationship with corporate interests, or any other interests, including the social and educational interests her whole talk is about, are not "ideas" invented by any single person, they are forces within our society and they aren't exactly the kind of thing you just "debunk." To what extent you think those forces impact or "control" government, or are controlled by it, are well, a debate I suppose. But to give an hour long speech about how you feel about aspects of our culture as though you're correcting a false historian requires...the actual history then. Isn't that what you're upset about? His depiction of history? You're talking a lot about the present. Where is your counter? Because she was going on for a long time about Columbus but only said Zinn calls him genocidal thus implants the idea that our country's origin and present are as well, I looked it up--the genocide claim. She could have said exactly what Zinn said. She could have gone into several of the passages Zinn starts his book with that are passages from Columbus himself. Since she was saying how wildly inaccurate this all was, I expected her to say that those passages were some of the ones she mentioned at the top (without citations) that were the ones with words left out, gravely misrepresenting the original intent. But she didn't do that. She didn't pull quotes from Zinn's chapter. She just says how crazy his claims are and that he called Columbus genocidal and then went into, again, our current society and how bad saying this is. For the minute I spent Googling, I saw things saying there is no evidence Columbus committed, or had any intent of committing genocide. Fair. But the passage from Zinn, I have it down by memory, is something like 'these people are so giving. "they would make good slaves." The slaves part I remember. And I remember he brought them back to Europe and sold them, opened up a slave route. I am not saying we need to sit around and say how horrible Columbus was, but it seems all Grabar wants to talk about is what people *now* think about Columbus, America, etc based on what Zinn said, without actually countering almost any of it or pulling out Zinn's passages. 23 minutes in, I can't give any more time to see if she will.

Interesting that this cannot be shared on Facebook with a notification that users find this message abusive .

Nowadays, Hillsdale's invited speakers are more willing to accept some of Zinn's assertions.

Eye opening... now I'm truly terrified for the future of out country. And if it's that easy to erase history.... I have no words to express my horror and dismay.

I love Hillsdale videos.

that is my people!! donating to her cause right now!

A Black Woman living in Germany 1933-1945 moved to the USA after Germany was genocided and in the USA has witnessed racism for the first time in her life. She later moved back to Germany where she was living in FREEDOM under the Regime of the NSDAP before it was destructed. Web duBois(Black US American Historian) and Dennis Lawrence(Black US American Diplomat),Jesse Owens(Olympics) and Jo Lewis(Boxer) had nothing but positive things to say about Germans 1933-1945. Now lets get into Germantown Pennsylvania 1688 and the AntiSlavery Movement led by German Settlers. The Revolutionary Battle of Germantown. Why was Germans put in Gulags and Segregated and Lynched in the USA ?